For students only

[Poly]

We have had many debates here at TruthSmack over various issues. I would like for this thread to be open for discussion or debate by students only. I'll start the topic for this thread but students are free to start "student only" discussions on other topics they might be interested in.
Topic: Should Christians Judge?

[ShadowMaid]

Yes!!!!!!!:thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:

[Elaine]

Only if they are not guilty of the sin they are judging. If they committed the sin as well, then they are hypocrites.

[ShadowMaid]

Originally posted by Elaine
Only if they are not guilty of the sin they are judging. If they committed the sin as well, then they are hypocrites.

Elaine made a point that I did not. She's right. But if they are going to hurt or kill somebody else, then I think it's ok to correct them. Even if they had made the same mistake. Learn from peoples mistakes. (As well as your own.)

[Poly]

Originally posted by Poly
We have had many debates here at TruthSmack over various issues. I would like for this thread to be open for discussion or debate by students only. I'll start the topic for this thread but students are free to start "student only" discussions on other topics they might be interested in.
Topic: Should Christians Judge?
One thing I'd like to add is that it might be a good idea to give reasoning for your ideas and beliefs. On what basis do you come to your conclusions?

[taoist]

(My judgment is that we're all students, so long as we're still breathing.)

[Poly]

Originally posted by taoist
(My judgment is that we're all students, so long as we're still breathing.)
Well, I'd rather this be for the younger students. Not us elderly people. :D

[taoist]

Christine;
Actually, Elaine and Shadowmaid are both fourteen. Elaine is in the ninth grade.

taoist;
I'm 44. Make fun of my age and I'll beat you with my cane, carved out of a dinosaur I kilt myself back when I was your age.

Christine;
You don't seem old to me.

taoist;
Far be it from me to disagree with such a charming young lady.




Poly;
Well, I'd rather this be for the younger students. Not us elderly people.

taoist;
Far be it from me to disagree with such a charming young lady.




Ono;
I bet you say that to all the girls.

Jesse;
And I mean it every time.

[Elaine]

Originally posted by ShadowMaid
Elaine made a point that I did not. She's right. But if they are going to hurt or kill somebody else, then I think it's ok to correct them. Even if they had made the same mistake. Learn from people's mistakes. (As well as your own.)
True, but if they're going to kill someone else, and another person has committed the same sin, then they should still not be able to criticize them, due to having been executed...

[Elaine]

Originally posted by Poly
One thing I'd like to add is that it might be a good idea to give reasoning for your ideas and beliefs. On what basis do you come to your conclusions?
I'll put some references up for that later. :D

[The Beckinator]

my oppion is that christians should judge other christians........

[The Beckinator]

i think christians should judge other christians as long as their not being a hypocrite about it........it says in the Bible,Do not judge,so that you will not be judged.For in the way you judge, you will be judged;and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you.

[Elaine]

Hey Beckinator, tell us a little about yourself!

[The Beckinator]

well...ok I'm 16 f oklahoma...i like football, any sport...i'm in the 10th grade.. i have 1 older brother and a younger sister, my dad's a youth pastor......and i can't think about anything else!

[Elaine]

:think: Are you a friend of Wrestlerdude16, Neo01, or RATitude? And you're a boy, aren't you?

[The Beckinator]

yeah i know Wrestlerdude16...he's a good friend mine....not im a chick!!

[Elaine]

Originally posted by The Beckinator
....not im a chick!!
:doh: Sorry. I just assumed you were a boy when I saw your interests. I was wondering about it when I saw your avatar, though...so, are you homeschooled?

[Turbo]

Welcome to TOL, Becky! :thumb:

[ibowatjesusfeet]

What kind of students is the for? I'm student of life, a student of philosophy, a student of um...er...I go to college, does that count?

[Poly]

Originally posted by ibowatjesusfeet
What kind of students is the for? I'm student of life, a student of philosophy, a student of um...er...I go to college, does that count?
hmmm...ok, ok college age and younger. (no not you ol' fogeys that are going back to college either.)

[ibowatjesusfeet]

I'm 22 and in my fourth year at a junior college.

[Elaine]

Hi, I:bow:!

[Poly]

Originally posted by Elaine
Hi, I:bow:!
HA! That's cute! I'll have to remember that.

[Turbo]

Originally posted by Poly
hmmm...ok, ok college age and younger. (no not you ol' fogeys that are going back to college either.)

[Elaine]

Originally posted by Poly
HA! That's cute! I'll have to remember that.
:chuckle: I'm not the first one to use it.

[ibowatjesusfeet]

Originally posted by Elaine
Hi, I:bow:!

Howdy Elaine, how are you this fine day?

[Poly]

ahem...I hate to break up this little party here but there are plenty (and I mean plenty) of threads to shoot the breeze. Need I remind you why this thread was started in the first place? :readthis:

[ibow2]

The student life can be very cool. Yeah for students.

[ibow2]

Students are neat.

[Elaine]

Originally posted by Poly
ahem...I hate to break up this little party here but there are plenty (and I mean plenty) of threads to shoot the breeze. Need I remind you why this thread was started in the first place? :readthis:
:hammer: Sorry, Poly. Okay, anyone who wants to continue this trivial conversation, go to the "For Students Only--Sideshoot" thread which I will start in this forum. Thanks!

[Elaine]

Now, back to the topic. Here are some of the verses which I believe support my view.
"Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say the thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye." Matthew 7:1-5.
I have noticed how many people who preach "judge not" will strategically leave off some of the verses, especially 3-5. Anyway, to my understanding the verse can only make sense one way. That is, we are not to judge others if we ourselves are guilty of the same sin. Once, however, we have "cast the beam" out of our own eyes by repenting of our sin, we can try to point out where they are wrong.
"And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst, they say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act. Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou? This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not. So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. And again he stooped and wrote on the ground. And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst." John 8: 3-10
This passage is often used as an argument against judging.
It's strange, isn't it, how the man escaped? I wouldn't be overly surprised if the adulterer had been one of the scribes or Pharisees. It appears to me that the scribes and Pharisees were also guilty of adultery, and therefore not worthy to judge the woman. This is suggested when whatever Jesus wrote in the ground caused them to be "convicted by their own conscience." It does not say what Jesus wrote, but it would make sense that he wrote the names of the scribes and Pharisees, and perhaps the names of those with whom they had committed adultery.
"Open rebuke is better than secret love." Proverbs 27:5
This one is pretty much self-evident. :D

[ShadowMaid]

Originally posted by Elaine
Now, back to the topic. Here are some of the verses which I believe support my view.
"Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say the thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye." Matthew 7:1-5.
I have noticed how many people who preach "judge not" will strategically leave off some of the verses, especially 3-5. Anyway, to my understanding the verse can only make sense one way. That is, we are not to judge others if we ourselves are guilty of the same sin. Once, however, we have "cast the beam" out of our own eyes by repenting of our sin, we can try to point out where they are wrong.
"And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst, they say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act. Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou? This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not. So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. And again he stooped and wrote on the ground. And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst." John 8: 3-10
This passage is often used as an argument against judging.
It's strange, isn't it, how the man escaped? I wouldn't be overly surprised if the adulterer had been one of the scribes or Pharisees. It appears to me that the scribes and Pharisees were also guilty of adultery, and therefore not worthy to judge the woman. This is suggested when whatever Jesus wrote in the ground caused them to be "convicted by their own conscience." It does not say what Jesus wrote, but it would make sense that he wrote the names of the scribes and Pharisees, and perhaps the names of those with whom they had committed adultery.
"Open rebuke is better than secret love." Proverbs 27:5
This one is pretty much self-evident. :D

Super research Elaine!!:thumb:

I especially like the one about the mote and beam.

Very interesting accusation about the Pharisees. I wouldn't be surprised either.

I still have to post my reply. So much to do, so little time.

[Elaine]

Originally posted by ShadowMaid
Super research Elaine!!:thumb:
Anyone can do it with a good concordance...:read: :noid: :D
I especially like the one about the mote and beam.
So do I. :chuckle:
Very interesting accusation about the Pharisees. I wouldn't be surprised either.
Yeah, I've thought about it, and so far I haven't come to any other conclusion which makes sense. :think:
I still have to post my reply. So much to do, so little time.
I'm sure it won't take someone like you very long. :thumb:

[ShadowMaid]

Home schoolers can get along so well.:D

[Zimfan]

"Get along"? In public school they teach us not to do such things :box:

P.S. ;)

[Elaine]

:darwinsm:

[ShadowMaid]

Witty Zimfan.

[Elaine]

I can't wait to see what Wrestlerdude and Ratitude come up with for this! :up:

[Elaine]

Bump! This thread should get more attention! I wouldn't want it to "die!" :jump:

[Zimfan]

Originally posted by Elaine
Bump! This thread should get more attention! I wouldn't want it to "die!" :jump:

:dead: I think it may be too late for this thread. It's probably because noone can think of anything to add to what you said or disagree with it. Next time you'll have to remember to make either a poorer or less complete argument.

I know some liberals who might try this...

:hammer: Judging's bad, m'kay.

[Elaine]

Lol. :chuckle: