Is Name calling and mocking ever warranted from a Christian?

[Poly]

Do situations ever arise where we as Christians should mock or call people names? Please give your reasoning and scriptures for your answer.

[Knight]

:zakath: is reason enough isn't he?

[Poly]

Originally posted by Knight

:zakath: is reason enough isn't he?
:chuckle: I think one that doesn't believe that stuff like murder and rape is absolutely wrong should at least be deserving of being called a fool.

I realize this poll may be a little obvious to some. :D

[Nineveh]

"It depends on the circumstance"

Ecclesiastes 3 comes to mind :)

[Sozo]

I've never had occasion to do something like this, let me think about it, and I'll get back with you.



:think:

[BillyBob]

That smilie matches your avatar.

[beanieboy]

Elijah not only mocked nonbelievers but he then slaughtered them.

But actually, Jesus did call others names, but usually it was someone who thought themselves holy and better than others, like the Pharissees. I can't really find many instances where Jesus was winning over the masses by yelling, "whore!"

[Poly]

Originally posted by Sozo

I've never had occasion to do something like this, let me think about it, and I'll get back with you.


:think:
:shocked: :darwinsm:

[Free-Agent Smith]

Originally posted by beanieboy

Elijah not only mocked nonbelievers but he then slaughtered them.

But actually, Jesus did call others names, but usually it was someone who thought themselves holy and better than others, like the Pharissees. I can't really find many instances where Jesus was winning over the masses by yelling, "whore!" Maybe He should have yelled "Fags, repent!"

[Free-Agent Smith]

Let's see, I mock homos with the preferable term fag.

I never really thought about using Scripture to back myself up when I use the word fag. I just figured the homo lifestyle is offensive so why not use an offensive name for it.

[Knight]

Originally posted by Agent Smith

Let's see, I mock homos with the preferable term fag.

I never really thought about using Scripture to back myself up when I use the word fag. I just figured the homo lifestyle is offensive so why not use an offensive name for it. Just so you know.... the term "fag" isn't offensive to homo's. In fact they use it themselves! :shocked:

The term "homo" seems to be much more offensive to them therefore that is the term I use for them. :D

[Turbo]

Originally posted by Sozo

I've never had occasion to do something like this, let me think about it, and I'll get back with you.



:think: :chuckle:

Originally posted by BillyBob
That smilie matches your avatar. :crackup:

You guys are killing me!

:think: -> :sozo3: ?

[Sozo]

Originally posted by Knight

The term "homo" seems to be much more offensive to them therefore that is the term I use for them. :D

I like to call them "beanieboy" or "Gerald" :flamer:

[Poly]

I prefer fag or homo. Although I occasionally use "don'tcomenearmeyounastypieceofgarbage".

[Christine]

How about calling them Sodomites?

[Free-Agent Smith]

Originally posted by Knight

Just so you know.... the term "fag" isn't offensive to homo's. In fact they use it themselves! :shocked:

The term "homo" seems to be much more offensive to them therefore that is the term I use for them. :D I do understand that the term "fag" had another meaning in another era or country.

I know some fags think it quite humorous to be called a fag but some think of it like its a racial slur of some kind. Are there any degrading terms for heterosexuals? Well I can think of many more but will refrain since some I don't want to be banned:)

I was once confronted by a "fag with attitude", "I'm gay do you have a problem dealing with that?" My reply(censored of course), "No, I'm heterosexual do have a problem with me putting a size 10 steel toe boot ************* all the way around the block if you touch me?"

[wholearmor]

Poly;
Do situations ever arise where we as Christians should mock or call people names?

WA;
I wouldn't call this mocking or name-calling but I told my son a few days ago that he's abandoned his son for all intense and purposes (even though he pays child support regularly). My son went into a rage, called me everything but a Christian, and left.

Poly;
Please give your reasoning...

WA;
My reasoning was my son doesn't spend time with his son. He works and hangs out with his friends and parties.

Poly;
...and scriptures for your answer.

WA;
Ephesians 6:4; Colossians 3:21; Mark 8:33; Luke 9:54-56; Luke 17:3; 1 Corinthians 5:1-2; 1 Timothy 5:20; 2 Timothy 4:2.

[Sozo]

WA... it breaks my heart that your relationship with your son has come to this, but I do believe that you did the right thing, as hard as it may have been.

I will be praying for your son.

[BillyBob]

Sorry Scott.

[Poly]

Wow, this must have been hard for you WA. I admire that you had the courage to tell him what you felt was right. I will pray that his eyes will be opened to what he is doing. Thanks for posting this!

Btw, POTD (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=442874#post442874).

[wholearmor]

Thanks, Sozo. It breaks my heart (and Mrs. WA's as well), but I couldn't let it go any longer. I just look at my grandson and thinking of the way his life may turn out breaks my heart even more.

Thank you, BB. I appreciate that.

Thank you for making it your POTD, Poly.

I consider you all true friends. :up:

[Tye Porter]

Originally posted by wholearmor
I wouldn't call this mocking or name-calling but I told my son a few days ago that he's abandoned his son for all intense and purposes (even though he pays child support regularly). My son went into a rage, called me everything but a Christian, and left.

My reasoning was my son doesn't spend time with his son. He works and hangs out with his friends and parties.

You're a good father.
You probably got more through to him than he realizes.
One day, he'll be a good dad like you.

[Sozo]

Originally posted by Tye Porter

You're a good father.
You probably got more through to him than he realizes.
One day, he'll be a good dad like you.

Well said, Tye!

I agree completely!

[wholearmor]

Originally posted by Tye Porter

You're a good father.
You probably got more through to him than he realizes.
One day, he'll be a good dad like you.

Thank you, Tye. I'm hoping against hope that's true. I may be a "good" father now, but I didn't used to be. I violated Ephesians 6:4 and Colossians 3:21 and now I'm paying the price.

[Knight]

Originally posted by Christine

How about calling them Sodomites? Yea... they hate that term also. :up:

[Tye Porter]

Originally posted by wholearmor

Thank you, Tye. I'm hoping against hope that's true. I may be a "good" father now, but I didn't used to be. I violated Ephesians 6:4 and Colossians 3:21 and now I'm paying the price.
Today!
Today you are a father.
You are bringing them up in the ways of the Lord.
You are setting examples and boundaries.
He is old enough to have a child, he is old enough to be a man and be accountable in the eyes of the Lord.
You have done well and will reap the rewards of that which you have sewn.
Your son will hear your words ring in his head and weigh on his Spirit.
He will come around.

[wholearmor]

Originally posted by Tye Porter

Today!
Today you are a father.
You are bringing them up in the ways of the Lord.
You are setting examples and boundaries.
He is old enough to have a child, he is old enough to be a man and be accountable in the eyes of the Lord.
You have done well and will reap the rewards of that which you have sewn.
Your son will hear your words ring in his head and weigh on his Spirit.
He will come around.

Just tonight, within the hour, his son's mother called and asked him to relinguish all his rights to his son. My son's actually thinking about it.

[Tye Porter]

Originally posted by wholearmor

Just tonight, within the hour, his son's mother called and asked him to relinguish all his rights to his son. My son's actually thinking about it.
In Colorado, Grandparents have seperate and special rights.
You may still visit and participate in his raising.
It's sad for your son, but this does not mean you also have to abandon him.

[wholearmor]

Originally posted by Tye Porter

In Colorado, Grandparents have seperate and special rights.
You may still visit and participate in his raising.
It's sad for your son, but this does not mean you also have to abandon him.

I don't know if the mother would bring him over here any more or not. We have him every weekend and also during the week at least once. She says she can tell he really likes it here. He asks about us all the time.

[brother Willi]

sorry to hear it WA

[brother Willi]

Never under any circumstances 1 10.00%

guess who

Yep I do it, but I hate myself for it

[Tye Porter]

Originally posted by wholearmor

I don't know if the mother would bring him over here any more or not. We have him every weekend and also during the week at least once. She says she can tell he really likes it here. He asks about us all the time.
You can get court ordered visitation on weekends at your home and/or supervised visits at her place.
One of our local shows covered this for about a month, back in 2002.
You should call the courts once your son makes his decision.

[wholearmor]

Originally posted by Tye Porter

You can get court ordered visitation on weekends at your home and/or supervised visits at her place.
One of our local shows covered this for about a month, back in 2002.
You should call the courts once your son makes his decision.

Supervised visits at her place? :vomit:

[wholearmor]

Originally posted by brother Willi

sorry to hear it WA

Thank you, Willi.

[brother Willi]

Originally posted by wholearmor

Supervised visits at her place? :vomit:

agreed

thats more for a m jackson type.

if he is quilty

[wholearmor]

Originally posted by brother Willi

agreed

thats more for a m jackson type.

if he is quilty

Yup.

[Nineveh]

Originally posted by wholearmor

Just tonight, within the hour, his son's mother called and asked him to relinguish all his rights to his son. My son's actually thinking about it.

I will keep you and your family in my prayers. This is so very sad to hear :(

[Zakath]

I don't understand why some religionists feel the need to be uncivil when conversing with others.

Could it be fear? One might think not, since they are allegedly working for the most powerful entity in the universe...

Could it be elitism? One might think not, since they are allegedly slaves to their deity...

Could it be an excuse to indulge in childish behavior like taunting others? :think:

[Mateo]

Jude 1; 5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.
6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.
9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.

James 3:10 Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be.
11 Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter?
12 Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? either a vine, figs? so can no fountain both yield salt water and fresh.
13 Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.
14 But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth.
15 This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish.
16 For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work.
17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.
18 And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.


1Pet 3: 1 Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives;
2 While they behold your chaste conversation coupled with fear.
3 Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel;
4 But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.

Psa 59: 5 Thou therefore, O LORD God of hosts, the God of Israel, awake to visit all the heathen: be not merciful to any wicked transgressors. Selah.
6 They return at evening: they make a noise like a dog, and go round about the city.
7 Behold, they belch out with their mouth: swords are in their lips: for who, say they, doth hear?
8 But thou, O LORD, shalt laugh at them; thou shalt have all the heathen in derision.
9 Because of his strength will I wait upon thee: for God is my defence.
10 The God of my mercy shall prevent me: God shall let me see my desire upon mine enemies.
11 Slay them not, lest my people forget: scatter them by thy power; and bring them down, O Lord our shield.
12 For the sin of their mouth and the words of their lips let them even be taken in their pride: and for cursing and lying which they speak.

Proverbs 15:1 A soft answer turneth away wrath: but grievous words stir up anger.

Proverbs 15:26 The thoughts of the wicked are an abomination to the LORD: but the words of the pure are pleasant words.

Ecclesiastes 9:17 The words of wise men are heard in quiet more than the cry of him that ruleth among fools.

Ecclesiastes 10:12 The words of a wise man's mouth are gracious; but the lips of a fool will swallow up himself.

Jude 1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
16 These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.
17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.

[Zakath]

Mateo,

I've re-read your post twice and I'm not sure which of the three positions you would take in the poll... :think:

[brother Willi]

Originally posted by wholearmor

Thank you, Willi.

WA I sent you a PM

[Mateo]

Mateo,

I've re-read your post twice and I'm not sure which of the three positions you would take in the poll...







Zakath,

Willie's got company

[Zakath]

OK... :think:

[Jefferson]

Originally posted by Agent Smith
I was once confronted by a "fag with attitude", "I'm gay do you have a problem dealing with that?" My reply(censored of course), "No, I'm heterosexual do have a problem with me putting a size 10 steel toe boot ************* all the way around the block if you touch me?" I would have replied, "Of course not. I'm not the one going to Hell. You are."

[beanieboy]

Originally posted by Agent Smith

Maybe He should have yelled "Fags, repent!"

YAHTZEEEEEEEEEE! (In only 9 posts).

[Nineveh]

beanieboy,

So which do you find more offensive? Sodomite, fag, or homo?

[Zakath]

I think sodomite is too broad a term to be offensive in the way you intend. Since the definition of sodomy depends entirely on the state in which someone lives...

For instance, here in Virginia we're a bit old fashioned and all oral sexual activity is considered sodomy, under the law (Virginia Statute 18.2-361). It is considered a felony and punishable by up to five years in state prison. Thus there are many "sodomites" who are heterosexuals here in Virginia.

Of course your "liberal" state of Indiana repealed their sodomy law in 1977. :chuckle:

[Free-Agent Smith]

Originally posted by beanieboy

YAHTZEEEEEEEEEE! (In only 9 posts).
Would that be the normal fag reply?

[Free-Agent Smith]

beanieboy

[SOTK]

Originally posted by Poly

Do situations ever arise where we as Christians should mock or call people names? Please give your reasoning and scriptures for your answer.

Yes. However, sometimes "calling people names" or "mocking them" is more of stating a truth or making an observation than calling them a name. I don't see where calling a spade a spade is a problem. Sometimes telling someone the truth is more important than sparing them hurt feelings.

I'm glad that I've had certain Christians in my life who have loved me enough to tell me where I've been wrong. Sometimes I was called names. It sure got my attention!

SOTK

[Lighthouse]

I voted it depends on the circumstances. I think if the Bible calls them something, then it's okay. According to the Bible, Zakath is a fool. And any other atheist.

[Tye Porter]

:thumb:

[Berean Todd]

I didn't read the whole thread, so maybe someone allready got it, but the best mocking in the Bible was done by Elijah in his contest with the priests of the false gods.

1 Kings 18:27 It came about at noon, that Elijah mocked them and said, "Call out with a loud voice, for he is a god; either he is occupied or gone aside, or is on a journey, or perhaps he is asleep and needs to be awakened."

[servent101]

Jesus seemed to hold the most harsh words for the Pharisees and the Religious leaders of the time - the instruction he gave to the people was not in any way belittling them, or harsh. He took people where they were at, and was able to bring about some improvement - Jesus did not spell it out like the Church today does - He was telling people and showing people to seek the Truth - as you would hidden treasure.

For a sinner - Jesus would not call them names - the harsh instruction He gave was to the religious leaders, I think Jesus would still use the same harshness in dealing with the Christian Church - which in general encourages people to Preach in a way that offends people - Jesus would have hard words for those people - those who offend people who are trapped in their sin - unable to help - and by their lives they confuse a Spirit filled walk with strict fundamental, literalist orthodox teachings. We have our Pharisees today in abundance in the orthodox church – am I the only one who notices?


With Christ's Love

Servent101

[Turbo]

Originally posted by servent101

Jesus seemed to hold the most harsh words for the Pharisees and the Religious leaders of the time...

For a sinner - Jesus would not call them names - the harsh instruction He gave was to the religious leaders... servent101,
The religious leaders of the time were sinners and unbelievers. Jesus' approach generally depended on the attitude of the people he addressed.

[SOTK]

Originally posted by Turbo

servent101,
The religious leaders of the time were sinners and unbelievers. Jesus' approach generally depended on the attitude of the people he addressed.

:thumb:

[Lighthouse]

Originally posted by servent101

Jesus seemed to hold the most harsh words for the Pharisees and the Religious leaders of the time - the instruction he gave to the people was not in any way belittling them, or harsh. He took people where they were at, and was able to bring about some improvement - Jesus did not spell it out like the Church today does - He was telling people and showing people to seek the Truth - as you would hidden treasure.

For a sinner - Jesus would not call them names - the harsh instruction He gave was to the religious leaders, I think Jesus would still use the same harshness in dealing with the Christian Church - which in general encourages people to Preach in a way that offends people - Jesus would have hard words for those people - those who offend people who are trapped in their sin - unable to help - and by their lives they confuse a Spirit filled walk with strict fundamental, literalist orthodox teachings. We have our Pharisees today in abundance in the orthodox church – am I the only one who notices?


With Christ's Love

Servent101

I also notice. This has been my stance in many conversations with Jefferson. Jesus called out the self-righteous. The vile people we read about Jesus ministering to all loved Him, because He loved them. Those people knew they needed to be freed from their sinful lives. However, if their are people who don't believe they need God, we are to show them that they do. We must present the Truth to them in a way they will accept. If we alienate them, we have failed.

[servent101]

Lighthouse - We must present the Truth to them in a way they will accept. If we alienate them, we have failed.

Yes - and in other words Preach to people in a way that does not offend them

And if someone is to be offended - they already have heard - many times - what is the hope for them? - they still have hope - it is just a matter of not making the matter worse - and learning how to preach to people/praying for people/ seeing the best in people and trying to bring that out. - Some people can and are called to preach persuasively - but they are far and few between - too many Christians just go out and make the problem worse - I know when I try - I often make the matter worse - and when I meet people who have been battered and bruised by Bible Thumping Bashing Adrenalin addicted junkies - it is impossible to share anything with them - so I try to call the Bible Thumping - Bashing Adrenalin addicts on to the mat - and am not successful there either - so back to the drawing board - live a life consecrated to Christ - the prayers of a righteous man will accomplish much – Confess one’s sin and God will cleanse one of all unrighteousness.

With Christ's Love

Servent101

[Nineveh]

I find no matter how "nice" I may try to be, telling others about the Rock of Offense (Rom 9:33, 1 Peter 2:8) it can be taken as offensive.

[SOTK]

Originally posted by Nineveh

I find no matter how "nice" I may try to be, telling others about the Rock of Offense (Rom 9:33, 1 Peter 2:8) it can be taken as offensive.

Yep, agreed! :up:

[Lucky]

the Rock of Offense
Rock of a fence? :think:
Sounds like someone likes to tear down stone fences built around cold hearts.

Outta my way smilie, that wall needs more than your head to tear down that wall...

:Grizzly: ..... :bang:

[Lighthouse]

Originally posted by Nineveh

I find no matter how "nice" I may try to be, telling others about the Rock of Offense (Rom 9:33, 1 Peter 2:8) it can be taken as offensive.

Then the question is, who does the Rock [not Dwayne whatshisname] offend?

[Nineveh]

Originally posted by lighthouse

Then the question is, who does the Rock [not Dwayne whatshisname] offend?

Well, from my experience, the Rock offends people who love their sin. No suprise there really, John tells us that darkness doesn't understand the Light of men.

[Zakath]

Originally posted by lighthouse

Then the question is, who does the Rock [not Dwayne whatshisname] offend? If by "offend" you mean "To cause displeasure, anger, resentment, or wounded feelings in. " Then, no, your religious beliefs do not offend me. :cool:

I find hypocrisy much more offensive. :D

[Lighthouse]

Zakath-
Would you be offended if I called you a fool?