The Tye & BillyBob distraction

[Knight]

I assume most of you know what I am talking about. And if you are new to TOL I am sure you will notice rather quickly that there is a running feud between Tye Porter and Billy Bob that seems to spill out on to almost every thread and even into the ShoutBox.

I warn one or both of them at least once a week to knock it off.

And....

I receive a lot of feedback asking that I ban both of them yet I rarely get any feedback stating that people enjoy their 7th grade style bickering.

I am now seriously considering banning one or both of them.

So tell me....

If you were a TOL administrator what would you do?

[brother Willi]

let the moderaters edit the replies they make.

after a while it might stop

dont ban them

[Free-Agent Smith]

OK, that sounds too much like Al Gore's wife.:shocked: :shut: :down:

[Free-Agent Smith]

I guess you could take the option of banning them for specific periods of time before you choose to do it permanently. Say like 3 days at a time or even a week. Let them read the active articles but don't let them have any access to anything else.

Honestly though, you will only be able to suspend their privilages so many times before you would have to kick them off completely and block each new IP they connect with.

[Nineveh]

Would BillyBob's chances of getting saved be better here, or at his church building? I'm not sure BillyBob has issued his Statement of Faith to the congregation he belongs to. If he is banned, I hope he at least goes to his pastor for a chat.

Tye hasn't been vulgar from what I have seen. In Mr. Smith's thread he said he had been wondering if he should quit witnessing to BillyBob. Maybe he should? Would that fix the problem*?

*SOTK, Mr. 5020, myself and a few others are witnessing to you BillyBob, will you stand and debate or turn to insults and vulgarity?

[brother Willi]

Originally posted by Nineveh

Tye hasn't been vulgar from what I have seen. In Mr. Smith's thread he said he had been wondering if he should quit witnessing to BillyBob. Maybe he should? Would that fix the problem*?



Thats a good idea
Tye you up for that?

[Greywolf]

If they want to bicker, that's their agenda. No offense BB, but it does get annoying when you start interrupting threads just for the sake of "chasing" Tye. If you want to argue with him please start a thread for it and try to keep it there.

[Knight]

Originally posted by Greywolf

If they want to bicker, that's their agenda. No offense BB, but it does get annoying when you start interrupting threads just for the sake of "chasing" Tye. If you want to argue with him please start a thread for it and try to keep it there. Translation = get a room!

:vomit:

;)

[Greywolf]

Originally posted by Knight

Translation = get a room!

:vomit:

;)

:chuckle:

[SOTK]

This is a hard question. I am in agreement with Tye's theology, but I don't always agree with Tye's style of witnessing. Sometimes I think Tye does more harm than good. However, I've grown to love the way Tye is and accept his style. Although Tye might not always show it, I think his intentions in confronting BB has been out of concern and love. Unless I have completely missed it, I haven't seen Tye stupe to namecalling or inappropriate comments.

I like BB too, but I don't agree with his theology or his sometimes inappropriate joking. Lately, I've seen BB as more of the antagonist than Tye. BB seems to be the one who is doing the following and the provoking. His statements, as of late, are way more inappropriate than Tye's comments. I'm not saying Tye's innocent just that he isn't as much of the antagonist as BB is.

I know that you've warned both of them many times. I believe in structure and accountability. I think you should follow through with any consequence that you've warned them of in the past. Personally, I think BB deserves a consequence more than Tye due to BB's more recent behavior and comments.

I love both of them so I hope that if they were both banned, they would be allowed to return after a certain amount of time. I am not done witnessing to BB either so I really hope that he would be allowed to return after the consequence.

Sorry, I probably wasn't very helpful. :o

[BillyBob]

I'd ban both of them.

[BillyBob]

It may be a wise business decision to keep the one of them who donates more money regularly to TOL. Since the only real problem is that they are both posters at TOL, allowing one of them to stay will just as easily solve the problem and will also insure steady donations as has been the case.

I have been accused of being vulgar, fair enough, I stand in agreement that this is the case from time to time. Tye, is a liar. He has been accused of lying by at least a couple dozen posters here, Christian and otherwise. He is a self centered self righteous egotist who condemns all who do not agree with him. He instantly berates posters as 'God Haters', even though it is not true.

He is starved for attention [large pink font?????] and seems to get it by boasting his religion and trying to drive wedges between the people here at TOL. Conversely, I befriend Christian and nonChristian alike. Even the people who are my biggest adversaries are still friendly to me, even in the heat of battle. Tye is the only person here who I disdain. Tye cannot say the same about me, he disdains half the people here and is very vocal about it. That speaks volumes as to who the real trouble maker is here.

[BillyBob]

Originally posted by SOTK4ever

Unless I have completely missed it, I haven't seen Tye stupe to namecalling or inappropriate comments.



Yes, you have definitely missed it. Have you never seen Tye run around calling people 'God Haters'? Have you never seen him tell people that they are going to Hell? I would say that these comments are very inappropriate. He also falsely accuses and deliberately misrepresents statements.

[Tye Porter]

Originally posted by BillyBob

I'd ban both of them.
In as little as we do agree, this is one of those times.

I am not seeking to have him banned, but if you dole out punishment you should be fair and dole it out to both parties envolved.
You send a message that you've finally become even-handed in your judgements.
BillyBob has been banned before.
Tye is too new.


I will reiterate, I am not seeking his bannishment, but if you do one, you should do both.

[BillyBob]

Originally posted by Greywolf

If you want to argue with him please start a thread for it and try to keep it there.

Every time I do, Knight closes the thread.

[Lucky]

Originally posted by Knight

If you were a TOL administrator what would you do?
:singer: "Ohhh I wish I were a TOL admini..."

I seriously doubt it's possible to do this, but here goes. Modify their user accounts so they cannot see anything the other one says. Make it so where Tye's TOL appearance is nonexistent to BB, and vice versa. BB can't see Tye's posts, he can't quote Tye's posts, and he can't even read other posters' quotes of Tye. And vice versa.

I'd really hate to see them banned.

[Tye Porter]

Originally posted by BillyBob

Every time I do, Knight closes the thread.
Actually, we have two threads.
"Is BillyBob a Christian?"
"BB's Statement of Faith"

The problem was, this weekend, we tried to stay away from those threads, and take some time off from the bickering.
It did not work and turned into an across the board dog fight.
I don't think it is possible to contain in the one or two threads.
That has been tried.

[BillyBob]

I have started lots of threads to bicker with you, Knight has been closing them since the day you arrived. He just closed on tonight, in fact. Lucky even closed one a few days ago. I guess you should be thankful to have people looking out for you and attempting to even the playing field since you are incapable of doing so yourself.

[Tye Porter]

Originally posted by BillyBob

I have started lots of threads to bicker with you, Knight has been closing them since the day you arrived. He just closed on tonight, in fact. Lucky even closed one a few days ago. I guess you should be thankful to have people looking out for you and attempting to even the playing field since you are incapable of doing so yourself.
Maybe you simply missed the fact that you and I have two threads, and neither have been closed or edited.

[BillyBob]

Maybe you think that there is a limit of two threads per discussion. That would be a false assumption.

[wholearmor]

What, specifically, are they doing that you don't like, Knight?

[brother Willi]

Knight, Please dont ban either
I know you dont owe me anything
so all I can say is please

[Greywolf]

Originally posted by Tye Porter
Actually, we have two threads.
"Is BillyBob a Christian?"
"BB's Statement of Faith"

The problem was, this weekend, we tried to stay away from those threads, and take some time off from the bickering.
It did not work and turned into an across the board dog fight.
I don't think it is possible to contain in the one or two threads.
That has been tried.

I'd just hate to see either of you banned.

[Flipper]

Apparently you guys (Billy and Tye) can't participate in a thread discussing your own Impending Doom (tm) without arguing with each other.

I can't help but be amused. Also a bit surprised that people are actually distracted or upset enough by this sort of thing to complain. It's all just part of the noise that characterises any discussion board.

Billybob actually on occasion makes posts longer than 3 lines that are edifying, so he has value on the board. On the other hand, Tye serves as an excellent example of narrow-minded legalism, so he has a function as well.

Maybe making each other invisible to the other might do it. Although I would be surprised if either wouldn't be able to resist playing to the peanut gallery.

Or is this thread really more intended as a final, public warning before the axe falls?

[Tye Porter]

Originally posted by Flipper
Or is this thread really more intended as a final, public warning before the axe falls?

[SOTK]

:shut:

[Zakath]

Here's a suggestion...

If the :BillyBob: and :Tye: schtick gets really annoying, I'd suggest posters make use of the Ignore List feature.

That saves the moderators from having to police every post the two parties make and if people are perturbed, they can block the posts.

Regarding punishing inappropriate language, that's a job for the moderators, since it violates board policy. No easy way out of that one...

... my $0.02. :thumb:

[Jabez]

I say one of them needs to be a man about the whole thing and let the kettle cool down.I know pride dont taste good,but one of them or both will have to swallow it.In my short time here ive come to like them both,i dont want to see them get banned.

[Nineveh]

In the past week BillyBob has put completely off topic insults in many threads, and then of course Tye must follow...

I have to commend Tye for keeping his composure, it appears he has been working on his attitude. I don't want to see either one of them banned. BillyBob for obvious reasons, and Tye because he seems to be able to learn and take correction.

How about this:

If Tye or BillyBob start spamming threads with insults like, "Tye is an idiot", for instance, (if the mods are alerted) just delete the post. If they start getting vulgar, a suspension of Knight's choosing. If a post on topic gets filled with little jabs, just move it to one of the threads already laden with the like: "Is BillyBob a Christian" or "BillyBob's Statement of Faith". (both of those threads should be moved to the Back Alley if they aren't already there).

Speaking as a Mod, that was my best shot at trying to get two grown men to act civilized towards each other. Speaking as a mommy, a good spankin would do a whole lot more toward that simple goal. :D

[BillyBob]

Banning me is going to severely effect my post count. :eek:

[BillyBob]

Originally posted by Flipper

Apparently you guys (Billy and Tye) can't participate in a thread discussing your own Impending Doom (tm) without arguing with each other.

:D :box:


I can't help but be amused. Also a bit surprised that people are actually distracted or upset enough by this sort of thing to complain. It's all just part of the noise that characterizes any discussion board.

I'm guessing that most of the people it bothers are the 'Christians' who don't like my philosophies. They can tolerate a person who openly claims atheism and doubts their religious views. But it really ruffles their feathers when a fellow Christian questions their core beliefs. [That statement oughtta get me some flack] :chuckle:


Billybob actually on occasion makes posts longer than 3 lines that are edifying, so he has value on the board.

On occasion??? :mad:


On the other hand, Tye serves as an excellent example of narrow-minded legalism, so he has a function as well.

:shut:


Maybe making each other invisible to the other might do it. Although I would be surprised if either wouldn't be able to resist playing to the peanut gallery.

Tye couldn't be invisible if he was standing behind a barn. :freak:


Or is this thread really more intended as a final, public warning before the axe falls?

:hammer:

[Poly]

About the time Tye starts to come around and make some good arguments as one who truly is concerned over where BB's eternal destiny will be, he takes a turn and starts reacting like a brat who wants to get the last word in or simply egg BB on. He knows that when BB is provoked, he is well known to be out of line in how he responds and in what he has to say.
I think deleting of posts is necessary in 2 particular situations.

1) Tye is not consistant in his attitude and so I don't see how he expects BB to take him seriously during the times when he does seem to be concerned. I've also seen other people, who are consistant with their attitude and arguments over the whole "what does it mean to truly be a Christian?" issue, actually keep a civil dialogue going with BB, only to have Tye jump in with childish responses that have sometimes put an end to a pretty decent discussion with actual civilized exchanges taking place. When Tye does respond in this manner, I feel his posts should be deleted.

2)People have responded on here with "Why don't you just ignore them?" Sometimes this is hard to do when one of the biggest annoyances in all of this is BB hijacking threads and turning them in the direction of Tye vs. BB. When this happens, I feel these posts should be deleted.

[Tye Porter]

Originally posted by Poly

About the time Tye starts to come around and make some good arguments as one who truly is concerned over where BB's eternal destiny will be, he takes a turn and starts reacting like a brat who wants to get the last word in or simply egg BB on. He knows that when BB is provoked, he is well known to be out of line in how he responds and in what he has to say.
I think deleting of posts is necessary in 2 particular situations.

1) Tye is not consistant in his attitude and so I don't see how he expects BB to take him seriously during the times when he does seem to be concerned. I've also seen other people, who are consistant with their attitude and arguments over the whole "what does it mean to truly be a Christian?" issue, actually keep a civil dialogue going with BB, only to have Tye jump in with childish responses that have sometimes put an end to a pretty decent discussion with actual civilized exchanges taking place. When Tye does respond in this manner, I feel his posts should be deleted.
For the most part, I agree with this.
The part I don't agree is your opinion that the posts are simply childish to provoke him.
He has a tendacy to pull the thread off topic and my posts are directed at centering us on the subject so that he is unable to divert.
While I have made more than my fair share of stupid posts with him, most, in that thread are to provoke him and his gang into staying on topic.
If you feel that I am way off here, feel free to illustrate with examples, in context.

2)People have responded on here with "Why don't you just ignore them?" Sometimes this is hard to do when one of the biggest annoyances in all of this is BB hijacking threads and turning them in the direction of Tye vs. BB. When this happens, I feel these posts should be deleted.

[Gerald]

Originally posted by Nineveh
Tye hasn't been vulgar from what I have seen.You must've missed when he was posting pictures of animals defecating...:rolleyes:

[Tye Porter]

Originally posted by Gerald

You must've missed when he was posting pictures of animals defecating...:rolleyes:
Gerald, don't be mad at your new smiley! :D

[Nineveh]

Originally posted by Gerald

You must've missed when he was posting pictures of animals defecating...:rolleyes:

ewwww...
Can't say I'm sorry I missed that....

[Gerald]

Originally posted by Tye Porter
Gerald, don't be mad at your new smiley! :D I'm talking about earlier shenanigans on your part.

Besides, that icon you posted is a portrait of your father, remember?

[edited to rectify error involving the Shift key]

[Tye Porter]

Originally posted by Gerald
Besides, that icon you posted is a portrait of your Father, remember?
Um, NO!
And don't hate the Father.
He's your Father too, you just deny your heritage.

[Gerald]

Huh?

I was taking a jab at your parental unit.

:: looks at post ::

:noway: :doh:

Must've tapped the Shift key on that. An honest error, and edited.

[Gerald]

Originally posted by Tye Porter

Um, NO!
And don't hate the Father. I'm not going to dignify this with a response, except to ask this: If I were to do such in your presence, would you respond violently...?
He's your Father too, you just deny your heritage. I assure you that I am in no way related to you.

After all, I'm human...
:chuckle:

[Tye Porter]

Originally posted by Gerald

I assure you that I am in no way related to you.

After all, I'm human...
:chuckle:
Now you're contradicting yourself.
Don't you believe that you are related to monkeys?
Whatever your faith, we are all Related t the Father.
Don't hate on your heritage.
P.S. It's not some simian.

[Gerald]

Originally posted by Tye Porter

Now you're contradicting yourself.
Don't you believe that you are related to monkeys?
Whatever your faith, we are all Related t the Father.
Don't hate on your heritage.
P.S. It's not some simian. Let us get one thing straight: I can only hate that for which existense can be verified.

If I really hated God, as you keep claiming over and over and over, I would head off to, say, Sudan, and assist them in the national sport of Christian-slaughtering, because if you really hate someone, you attack those whom the object of your hatred loves the most...:devil:

[Free-Agent Smith]

Originally posted by BillyBob

It may be a wise business decision to keep the one of them who donates more money regularly to TOL. Since the only real problem is that they are both posters at TOL, allowing one of them to stay will just as easily solve the problem and will also insure steady donations as has been the case.


Is this how you got into a church and remain there?

[Freak]

Knight---I just noticed this thread. Those are good questions. I think most TOLer's are sick of this on going battle. This has gone on too far and too long. I'm afraid you'll cause some to leave this forum for another forum if you let this continue. This battle between these two, like you mentioned, overflows to other threads. Both need a time-out. Both need to be put on probation. You banned me 4 or 5 times for long periods of time and yet you allow these two to continue. I don't get it.

[Knight]

Originally posted by Freak
Both need to be put on probation. You banned me 4 or 5 times for long periods of time and yet you allow these two to continue. I don't get it. That is what I am investigating now my friend. :freak:

[Freak]

Originally posted by BillyBob

It may be a wise business decision to keep the one of them who donates more money regularly to TOL. Since the only real problem is that they are both posters at TOL, allowing one of them to stay will just as easily solve the problem and will also insure steady donations as has been the case.

So you're trying to buy off Knight to post on TOL. Pathetic. :down:

[Knight]

For the record....

Both Tye and BillyBob have donated to TOL financially and those donations are very much appreciated. Tye and BillyBob have also contributed via their participation which is also very much appreciated. However TOL has never been, nor will it ever be "about the money".

If a member OR subscriber is breaking the rules or becoming to big a distraction he or she will be asked to leave or will be banned NO MATTER HOW MUCH MONEY he or she has donated to TOL - if you don't believe me just ask "me again" :).

[sixfivebeastman]

I say this: Tye and BB, grow up. It's sad that this has actually become a concern for the Administrator of TOL, because when you constantly berate each other in such manner as this it warps the purpose of this website. Is it really so hard to be civil to one another? This is not about theological, moral, or ethical disagreements, this is about maturity. Bating and provoking under the guise of "redirecting the thread" only serve to show the boorish level of your social intelligence. I know that you two can be civil to other members here at TOL, so for pities sake, can you simply agree to disagree?


I have thrown down the gauntlet....who shall pick it up? :think:

[JosephofMessiah]

Originally posted by Knight

I assume most of you know what I am talking about. And if you are new to TOL I am sure you will notice rather quickly that there is a running feud between Tye Porter and Billy Bob that seems to spill out on to almost every thread and even into the ShoutBox.


If possible, then I suggest a ban of the shoutbox, per se...but see below for rest...


(snip)
I am now seriously considering banning one or both of them.

So tell me....

If you were a TOL administrator what would you do?


Well, I would not be a TOL administrator because I have seen the headache you put up with on a regular basis (even at some points due to my own threads which can become heated). So I'd like to take a special point to thank you and those whom make TOL run as smoothly as it does and for putting up with all you choose (freely and with foreknowledge) to put up with.

Second, I'd like to see some limitation on the ability of Tye to misquote others. As soon as a statement of a quote is edited in ANY way the poster should use the quote in a way that does not change the concept nor the meaning of that given quote. I have seen Tye do this repeatedly and it is a childish and ill mannered thing to do.

BillyBob is much harder to speak against as I have had enough run-in's with Tye that anything I say would be concidered biased, therefore I shall only vote for the ability of the Mod's to modify either/all of their posts of the offensive style speach. I see no problem with theological arguments which are "childish" in nature (if you see Billybob and Tye talking it is a good cause to pre-label that thread as childish because Billybob has to go down to Tye's level of understanding)...sorry, there goes my bias showing.

Anyways, if it comes down to a ban, my vote is for Tye, Billybob brings indepth thought and discussion. Tye's ignorances and misquoting is of the greatest grief-style childish behavior I have met...and is of the greatest annoying tactic of the mentally challenged who have no other means of communicating their ignorances except through a misquote. Also, Tye should have at least been warned when he posted the thread named after me due to it being off-subject and a character assassination attempt.

So, I say that the community regulates itself pretty well, Billybob and Tye's "fights" are funny to read sometimes, but Billybob's statements (even in jest) are quite humorous. Again, the middle road is more than likely the best road to travel. And outright ban of either one would really make TOL a different place, without Billybob to make fun of Tye's ignorance then I'd have to step in...and then I'd get banned...it is an ugly path to take.

But if you do ban Billybob...at least you already have a sign-up to take the place of Billybob to keep Tye's ignorances in check. I mean, what would Tye do if no one questioned the self righteous ignorances he spews. :nono:

[BillyBob]

Originally posted by Freak

Knight---I just noticed this thread. Those are good questions. I think most TOLer's are sick of this on going battle. This has gone on too far and too long. I'm afraid you'll cause some to leave this forum for another forum if you let this continue. This battle between these two, like you mentioned, overflows to other threads. Both need a time-out. Both need to be put on probation. You banned me 4 or 5 times for long periods of time and yet you allow these two to continue. I don't get it.


:darwinsm:

My skirmishes with Tye pale in comparison to the all out War you and Sozo have going.

"Remove the plank from your own eye......"

[Freak]

Originally posted by BillyBob

:darwinsm:

My skirmishes with Tye pale in comparison to the all out War you and Sozo have going.

At least our war is marked with substance and is short lived. Your silly games with Tye has lasted for months. :(

[BillyBob]

Originally posted by Freak

So you're trying to buy off Knight to post on TOL. Pathetic. :down:

Hey, I'm a business man, what do you expect? :chuckle:

Besides, there was a monetary amount once proposed to me by Knight for a permanent banishing of Tye, so my mention of finances is not unfounded.

Oh, and for the record, I was only half serious when I brought it up. I expect Knight to do what he sees fit regardless of any person's philanthropic history, even if that person has donated more than $600 dollars in the past year.

:angel:

[BillyBob]

Originally posted by Freak

At least our war is marked with substance and is short lived. Your silly games with Tye has lasted for months. :(


Short lived???? You guys have been going at it for months, also!

:box:

Substance? :darwinsm:

The only reason my arguments with Tye are devoid of substance is because he is incapable of.....eh, forget it.

[Mateo]

How about aversion therapy? A little forum called "TOL Pergatory" where the two of them are locked in a thread alone with each other for about a month and the only way they can talk with anyone else is if said person posts to thier thread? I know of another Christian discussion board that uses this same software and when someone gets out of hand they get put in "cooling off" where they can only post on one thread which the mods and admin can post to well. They don't get out until the problem is worked out or they are banned.

[BillyBob]

Hey Mateo, Sozo would want you to choose sides with Tye.....

:angel:

[Tye Porter]

Originally posted by JosephofMessiah
:taoist:

:darwinsm:

[Tye Porter]

Originally posted by BillyBob
there was a monetary amount once proposed to me by Knight for a permanent banishing of Tye
This is the extent of the unbiased "fairness" that can be found in the Administrators of this board. :nono:

Was this another of Beobebob's "visions", Knight, or is this something you've negotiated?

[Mateo]

BB offered,

"Hey Mateo, Sozo would want you to choose sides with Tye....."


Hey BB,

Sozo wants a lot of things he's likely not going to get... one of which is my goat. When he shows up on a thread I'm on and tries to lure me into confrontation by hurling invectives I do what the Word says to do, I bless him. In doing this I seek not only to obey God but to set the example that those of us of greater anums should.

I will say that I find it interesting and revealing that in my time here at TOL I have had my threads spamed by only two people; namely, you and Tye. Needless to say, both times it involved you two's petty bickering. This being the case I am not real inclined to choose sides.

That said, I would offer to you what my father used to offer to me when breaking up a bruhaha between me and one of my younger brothers. He would invariable single me out for the butt chewing. When I complained that this was unfair he would invariably say, "You're older and should know better".


;)

[BillyBob]

Mateo;
Sozo wants a lot of things he's likely not going to get... one of which is my goat.

Billy;
I am quite aware of your battles with Sozo, that is why I posted what I did, it was a joke.

Mateo;
When I complained that this was unfair he would invariably say, "You're older and should know better".

Billy;
Ah, that would explain why I always win!

[BillyBob]

Originally posted by Tye Porter

[color=gaypink][brainsizesize=passmethemicroscope]This is the extent of the unbiased "fairness" that can be found in the Administrators of this board. :nono:

:baby:
Quit your whining. You were the least fair Moderator in TOL history!


Was this another of Beobebob's "visions", Knight, or is this something you've negotiated?


:noid:

[Zakath]

Interesting text tagging, eh? :think:

[Mateo]

Billy;
I am quite aware of your battles with Sozo, that is why I posted what I did, it was a joke.


Mateo:
And well you should be, you've egged on more than one of them. Come to think of it, if one were to dispassionately review the entirety of your offerings here on TOL this would appear to be your one over-arching purpose... to instigate fights.

To what end friend? How does this edify the body? What is your purpose in doing this?

[BillyBob]

Actually, I can't think of too many times you and I have even posted to each other, Mateo. I usually just stay out of the way when Sozo is on a rampage. As far as instigating fights, I think you are making a very broad assertion based on a few instances. Most of the fights I have instigated have included me as the main target, nothing wrong with that.

[Wild Child]

Make it so they could only fight and argue in the "Back Alley" forum. Let them have their own thread, and whoever wants to see what they are saying from day to day, can go there. Also throw out all posting rules in that thread only. Only they can post on it, but anyone can read it.

[BillyBob]

That's never going to work. Tye can't keep his big fat pie hole shut and will say all sorts of ridiculous things in every thread he visits. It's his nature to be stupid.

And of course, I will have to respond to his ravings.

I tried putting him on my 'Ignore List' for a few weeks and all that did was give him free reign to run around spouting off his drivel, unchecked.



[I could read his posts when other people quoted the idiot]

[Mateo]

"Actually, I can't think of too many times you and I have even posted to each other, Mateo."


Right you are and there is likely a very good reason for this. Likely we hold dissimilar interests.



"I usually just stay out of the way when Sozo is on a rampage. As far as instigating fights, I think you are making a very broad assertion based on a few instances. Most of the fights I have instigated have included me as the main target, nothing wrong with that."


To paraphrase the word of God, " Each man's way is right in his own eyes..."

[BillyBob]

Originally posted by Mateo

"Actually, I can't think of too many times you and I have even posted to each other, Mateo."


Right you are and there is likely a very good reason for this. Likely we hold dissimilar interests.

I fail to see your original point.



"I usually just stay out of the way when Sozo is on a rampage. As far as instigating fights, I think you are making a very broad assertion based on a few instances. Most of the fights I have instigated have included me as the main target, nothing wrong with that."


To paraphrase the word of God, " Each man's way is right in his own eyes..."

I fail to see your new point.

[BillyBob]

Here is an offer I publically made to Tye. [Just keepin' it real with my peeps] :D

Origially posted by BillyBib

Do you promise to stop bearing your false witness to me? I will gladly accept that and move on. Just stop pretending that you are doing me some sort of twisted favor. Stop telling me about how you are right and I am wrong. Stop telling me that you are saved and I am doomed.

If you can just walk away from it, then I can too. But if you get back up on your self-righteous high horse and start condemning me and anybody else who doesn't subscribe to Chris :Tye: anity, I will haunt you like the imaginary demons that haunt Freak.

I don't want your silly, selfish religion! I don't want your wacky, self-centered cultism.

Keep to yourself, and I will do the same.


http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=451724#post451724

[Nineveh]

Just one question BillyBob.

If Tye leaves you alone, or gets banned, will your animosity turn toward the next person who witnesses to you, then the next and the next?

[BillyBob]

Originally posted by Nineveh

Just one question BillyBob.

If Tye leaves you alone, or gets banned, will your animosity turn toward the next person who witnesses to you, then the next and the next?


Just one question Nineveh.

Are you really so stupid to think that my animosity towards Tye has anything to do with him witnessing?

Another question.

Do you actually believe that witnessing was his intention?

One more.

Show me ANY situation where I exuded animus toward ANY person simply because he was witnessing to me! I am quite polite about it because I understand it. My animosity towards Tye is the same that many others TOLers have for him and it has nothing to do with witnessing.

You are blind.

[Nineveh]

Originally posted by BillyBob

Just one question Nineveh.

Are you really so stupid to think that my animosity towards Tye has anything to do with him witnessing?

Another question.

Do you actually believe that witnessing was his intention?

One more.

Show me ANY situation where I exuded animus toward ANY person simply because he was witnessing to me! I am quite polite about it because I understand it. My animosity towards Tye is the same that many others TOLers have for him and it has nothing to do with witnessing.

You are blind.

Is this a "yes" or a "no"?

[Jabez]

BB do you talk to the people infront of you the way you do here??

[BillyBob]

Only when they talk to me the way idiots like Tye and Nineveh do. They wouldn't last 5 minutes with my the way they constantly lie.

[Jabez]

Let me say one thing,Wisdom of this world is foolish,youll never understand them with logic.We need the Spirit of Truth,who reveals mysteries to us.

[BillyBob]

Nineveh;
Is this a "yes" or a "no"?


Originally posted by BillyBob

Just one question Nineveh.

Are you really so stupid to think that my animosity towards Tye has anything to do with him witnessing? YES!

Another question.

Do you actually believe that witnessing was his intention?YES!

[BillyBob]

Originally posted by Jabez

Let me say one thing,Wisdom of this world is foolish,you'll never understand them with logic.We need the Spirit of Truth,who reveals mysteries to us.


Jabez, I am quite open to the Spirit. But I was given a post which 'proved' the resurrection, I simply demonstrated that it had not been proved. It seems that doing so was tantamount to walking up to a a wasps nest and smacking it with a big stick.

[Nineveh]

Originally posted by BillyBob

Nineveh;
Is this a "yes" or a "no"?


Originally posted by BillyBob

Just one question Nineveh.

Are you really so stupid to think that my animosity towards Tye has anything to do with him witnessing? YES!

Another question.

Do you actually believe that witnessing was his intention?YES!

Seems your "actions" are speaking louder than your words. I wasn't talking to you about Tye. I was asking you if those who witness to you next will meet the same treatment you give to Tye now.

Should I overlook you have already called me "Tye", a liar, an idiot, and stupid today, just so I may assume you mean, "no"?

[Wild Child]

Being new, and given the fact that I don't really know anyone here well enough to pick friends or choose sides, I feel I can give an unbiased opinion. First of all, I don't dislike either of you. I am not one to judge others on their Christianity. I don't know who is is who isn't a Christian, and furthermore, it isn't my place to make that call anyway. What I do see is two adult men arguing like two children on a playground who want the same toy to play with. Each child can give what he thinks is a good reason why he should have the toy. With each reason given, the other child rebukes, and it goes on and on. All along the toy is getting old and the batteries are going dead. The two of you aren't going to agree on too much of anything, so why argue? I have been going back to old posts between both of you, and I see poor behavior from both sides. I also see both of you posting good stuff when it isn't regarding each other. I guess some think it is funny, and I must admit, that some of it does get a chuckle from me. Most of it however is just immature name calling. Isn't there anything that each of you can say nice about the other?

[Clete]

Knight,

I voted "other" because I have been lucky enough to have somehow avoided this feud that has been going on between the two and I didn't want to vote to ban them without having a clearer understanding of what has been going on.
After having read most of this thread, it seems to me that the decision is pretty cut and dried. If they refuse to obey you then ban them. How long they are banned depends on the severity of the offense (obviously), but not to ban them is to effectively give them permission to continue to ignore you.

[Freak]

Originally posted by BillyBob

Oh, and for the record, I was only half serious when I brought it up. I expect Knight to do what he sees fit regardless of any person's philanthropic history, even if that person has donated more than $600 dollars in the past year.

:angel: :rolleyes:

[Knight]

Originally posted by Freak

:rolleyes: Just so you know.... I am not going to comment on that statement of BB's until he has a chance to properly retract it.

Statement in question....Besides, there was a monetary amount once proposed to me by Knight for a permanent banishing of Tye, so my mention of finances is not unfounded. - BillyBob

[BillyBob]

Originally posted by Nineveh

Seems your "actions" are speaking louder than your words. I wasn't talking to you about Tye. I was asking you if those who witness to you next will meet the same treatment you give to Tye now.

I made it quite clear that my disdain for Tye has nothing to do with witnessing. You know that!

Should I overlook you have already called me "Tye", a liar, an idiot, and stupid today, just so I may assume you mean, "no"?

I called you a liar because at least 2 separate times today, you falsely accused me.

1. When you suggested I dodged a question. The thread will bear out testimony that this is far from the truth. I asked BW to pick one or two ideas and I would gladly accommodate his inquiry. In no way does that resemble dodging a question.

2. When you accused my anger at Tye because he was witnessing. That is absurd and you know it. I have never reprimanded him simply for witnessing, and as I said earlier, I am not the only person who has a problem with Tye. It isn't about witnessing, it is about Tye being a jerk.

[BillyBob]

Originally posted by Knight

Just so you know.... I am not going to comment on that statement of BB's until he has a chance to properly retract it.

Statement in question....


I just PMed you.

[BillyBob]

As long as we're in a retraction mode, I suggest that Nineveh retract her false accusation that witnessing is the reason I don't like Tye!

[Knight]

Originally posted by BillyBob

I just PMed you. And I you.

[BillyBob]

OK Folks. Knight has asked me to retract a statement I made about my being able to 'purchase' Tye's banishment.

The event I was referring to is when Knight posted a picture [if my memory serves me] of a new computer he wanted. In that thread, I asked him what I would get if I bought it for him. He jokingly said that he would ban Tye permanently. Since I wasn't going to pony up the 2 grand, or whatever it was, it was a moot point.

That's it. There was no conspiracy. There were no PMs with covert conversations about unfair practices. I didn't mean for the rest of the TOL community to think that Knight is someone who would unfairly make deals to ban any posters.

My apologies to Knight and the rest of TOL.

[Knight]

Originally posted by BillyBob

OK Folks. Knight has asked me to retract a statement I made about my being able to 'purchase' Tye's banishment.

The event I was referring to is when Knight posted a picture [if my memory serves me] of a new computer he wanted. In that thread, I asked him what I would get if I bought it for him. He jokingly said that he would ban Tye permanently. Since I wasn't going to pony up the 2 grand, or whatever it was, it was a moot point.

That's it. There was no conspiracy. There were no PMs with covert conversations about unfair practices. I didn't mean for the rest of the TOL community to think that Knight is someone who would unfairly make deals to ban any posters.

My apologies to Knight and the rest of TOL. Thank you.

[Knight]

And I do remember that now... it was funny.

[BillyBob]

:D

[Knight]

"The event I was referring to is when Knight posted a picture [if my memory serves me] of a new computer he wanted."

Speaking of that new computer.... :angel:

[BillyBob]

Speaking of banning Tye! :greedy:



[Just kidding, Tye]
:chuckle:

[Tye Porter]

If I didn't have any respect for you, or love for you, Beobebob, I would do my best to mimick your posts/attitudes and take us both down.
This appears to be your intention.
Unlike your assumptions about my hearts desire to actually see you accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour, I've made no false claims in my pursuits with you.

Why don't you ask Knight.
Several times, when you've been close to being banned, in PM with him, I've stated over and over that I did not want that outcome.
With you, we tried to broker a deal as a detour to this event.

If there is any part of the Bible that you do not dismiss, maybe part of that is that witnessing to the lost is paramount.
While I do give in to the flesh and step down to level with you and play the games, I have (for the most part) kept discussion of you and your religion in your two threads.

I have no intention of "leaving you alone".
If this weighs in on the decisions of the Mods/Admin, so be it.
I will continue to keep it in the threads we've created with your beliefs in mind.

You and your band of merry (lost boys) men can continue to whine and cry all you wish, about misquotes/lies and badgering.
You've proven that your reality is not quite in sync with actual reality.


.02¢

[BillyBob]

:flamer:

[SOTK]

Originally posted by Tye Porter
Unlike your assumptions about my hearts desire to actually see you accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour, I've made no false claims in my pursuits with you.

:thumb:

Tye, I've know all along that your intentions were good. However, you've gone over the line a few times with BB and that doesn't do our just casue any good. I think you know what I mean. I love it when we're on the same page and witnessing whether it's to BB or anybody else!

Originally posted by Tye Porter
While I do give in to the flesh and step down to level with you and play the games, I have (for the most part) kept discussion of you and your religion in your two threads.

Yes, I agree with this for the most part although lately you've allowed it to spill over. This is when it gets ugly and the just cause starts to turn sour.

If you can keep it in the appropriate threads, it will be great! :up:

Originally posted by Tye Porter
I have no intention of "leaving you alone".
If this weighs in on the decisions of the Mods/Admin, so be it.
I will continue to keep it in the threads we've created with your beliefs in mind.

:thumb:

You shouldn't leave it alone. None of us should leave it alone!

[BillyBob]

I disagree. Tye, leave it alone. At the suggestion of Knight, I have put you on 'Ignore' so there is no reason to witness to me. If you continue to do so, it will obviously not be for my benifit and you will, once again, be exposed as a fraud.

[I wish the 'Ignore' feature would somehow block the ignored persons quotes when another poster quotes the person whom you are ignoring.] :eek:

[SOTK]

BB,

I meant witnessing. Not aggravating when I referred to the "not leaving it alone" part.

[BillyBob]

I'd prefer to not be witnessed to at all. I am quite aware of the tenets of Christianity and am extremely active in my church. I don't need some knucklehead on line trying to convince me that his view of Chris :Tye: anity is any more valid than mine.

[Mr. 5020]

Originally posted by Tye Porter

You send a message that you've finally become even-handed in your judgements.

My favorite post of the thread, mostly because of hte word "finally." Of course it indicates that it hasn't ever happened, which I agree with.

Anyhow, I voted "Do Nothing." If their bickering is getting your undergarments in that much of a bundle, Knight, then ban them. After all, you once told me, "I'm the administrator. I can do whatever I want." However, it would make YOUR site quite a bit more boring, seeing as nobody here - including you and your uneven-handed mods - could possibly hope to replace those two personalities.

G'day!

[BillyBob]

I hate to see this thread die, it was very exhilarating! :eek:

[Wild Child]

:sleep:

[Berean Todd]

I think that Tye is the problem myself. No, I do not think BB is saved at this point in time, and I do think that we should reach out to him. I try to do so at times.

Tye self-righteously attacks him, and it is beyond the point of old. BB's quips back almost always follow provocation from Tye. Tye needs to let it rest. If this is how he tries to bring the lost to salvation in real life, I can not imagine that his personal ministry is very fruitful at all.

Look at Christ - He didn't attack and bash people, He met them where they were, picked them up and brought them to the truth. Tye somehow seems to think he should just come behind them and kick them in the head until the happen to roll over the truth. His antics really get old sometimes for my personal taste.

BB? He denies the power of God, he does not have faith in the true and living God, but I really don't think he does anything ban-worthy except when Tye continually provokes him.

[BillyBob]

:BillyBob:

[CapnFungi]

i'm missed alot haven't i?

[SOTK]

:shut:




:chuckle:

[BillyBob]

Originally posted by CapnFungi

i'm missed alot haven't i?

It's not too late to join in the fun! :juggle:

[Zakath]

Originally posted by Berean Todd
Look at Christ - He didn't attack and bash people...In the gospel he attacked one particular type of person - religious hypocrites.

[BillyBob]

In that case, in order for Tye to emulate Jesus, he would have to attack himself.

Tye-> :box: <-Tye

[Gerald]

Originally posted by BillyBob

In that case, in order for Tye to emulate Jesus, he would have to attack himself.

Tye-> :box: <-Tye I have a sword he can borrow, if he'd like to fall on it...

:chuckle:

[Zakath]

Have you seen pictures of this guy?

I'd recommend a chainsaw....

[Gerald]

Originally posted by Zakath

Have you seen pictures of this guy?

I'd recommend a chainsaw....
Why, Z, how vile and eeeevil of you!

:BRAVO:

[Jabez]

Originally posted by Zakath

Have you seen pictures of this guy?

I'd recommend a chainsaw....

:down: you know better than that zak

[Zakath]

Originally posted by Jabez

:down: you know better than that zak Are you suggesting two chainsaws? :chuckle:

[Jabez]

You know what i mean..

[Zakath]

Originally posted by Jabez

You know what i mean.. Well, even :Tye: doesn't need more than two, does he?

[Jabez]

Zak your too old for this,do i need to spell it out for you?

[Gerald]

Yes, please "spell it out".

You didn't get upset when I offered a sword for :Tye: to fall on...

[Zakath]

Originally posted by Jabez

Zak your too old for this,do i need to spell it out for you? I'm way too old for a lot of the things I do. That's how I maintain my sense of humor. :D

If you feel it necessary, please explain.

[Jabez]

Originally posted by Gerald

Yes, please "spell it out".

You didn't get upset when I offered a sword for :Tye: to fall on...

I was going to get to you later..:)..I cant beleive yall would attack a man this way.

[Tye Porter]

Originally posted by Jabez

I was going to get to you later..:)..I cant beleive yall would attack a man this way.
Jabez, c'mon now brother.
These are the guys who hate God and have their own little special atheistic religion in which to do it.
And you can't believe that they'd joke about killing a guy?

Even Beobebob, who professes to be a Christian, jokes about killing me.

Don't be surprised by anything these two boobs do.

[Zakath]

Originally posted by Jabez

I was going to get to you later..:)..I cant beleive yall would attack a man this way. Why not? We're just "godless infidels" after all, given over to the "lusts of the flesh" and all that sort of thing... :chuckle:

Besides, I was just willing to loan :Tye: a couple of chainsaws for his own use, I never made any suggestion I'd do the deed myself. :think:

[OMEGA]

EVERYONE LOVES TYE

WELCOME TO HUMAN NATURE

[Freak]

Well...Knight what do you think of the poll? Any thoughts?

[BillyBob]

What do you think of it, Freak?

[OMEGA]

I say BAN THE POLL.

uh oh , I 'm a Pole. I had better put on some Ban.

OFF with his Head .

Ban the Freak , yeah .

Ban the Queen of Hearts .

Ban Alice in Wonderland.

Ban Catcher in the Rye . Done already.

Ban Lady Chaterlies Lover. Done already.

==== Is that all you guys want to do ?

-------- If someone disagrees with your motice operande

you ban them from your site.

---It is well known that they were feuding on another forum

and they just came here because they got booted off that one.

------ What to do is have them shake hands and stop feuding,

or have a Royal Debate betwixt them.:thumb: :thumb:

[OMEGA]

Ignore this post as you have been

doing with all my posts.:shut: :rolleyes:

[Tye Porter]

Originally posted by OMEGA


and then kick them off the Forum :chuckle:
You made a whole new post for the one line?

[BillyBob]

:flamer:

[Tye Porter]

[BillyBob]

:flamer:

[LightSon]

There's some rivetting repartee a-happenin' here. Hoo-aaah

[Tye Porter]

Originally posted by LightSon

There's some rivetting repartee a-happenin' here. Hoo-aaah
"Hoo-aaah"?
Are you in the army now?
That's better than the navy but almost as embarassing as the air force.
Don't admit it if you are! :D

[LightSon]

Nope.
I am an ex jarhead aka gyrene aka leatherneck. Guess I should have said ooh-rah, so as not to confuse anyone. My bad.

[Tye Porter]

Originally posted by LightSon

Nope.
I am an ex jarhead aka gyrene aka leatherneck. Guess I should have said ooh-rah, so as not to confuse anyone. My bad.
Thanks for clearing that up, Devil Dog.
hoo-aah is the homosexual version of the Marine Corps,

"OOOOOOOO-freaking-RAAAAAAAW!"

[BillyBob]

:flamer:

Semper Fag!

[Tye Porter]

Originally posted by BillyBob

:flamer:

Semper Fag!
I knew you had those not-so-latent Squid tendacies!
:flamer: Is this smiley on your guidon too?

[BillyBob]

:flamer:

[Tye Porter]

That's what I thought!

[BillyBob]

:flamer:

[Lucky]

http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=465799#post465799

:chuckle:

Warning: Non-subscribers cannot handle this.

[BillyBob]

It looks like Tye has lost some weight! Good for him.

[Lucky]

I changed my position on the topic:

Ban BillyBob!

:D

[BillyBob]

I could live with that!

[Mateo]

Once again I get off work and pull up a thread on the essential nature of man which had heretofore be an intelligent exchange between folks of differing veiw points (excepting Leo of course) and what do I find but yet another Billy Bob post berating Tye sitting in the middle of this thread like a fresh cat turd in virgin snow.

Lock em' both up in a thread together with no smilies or PM privileges and have a look in on them in a couple of months.