What did you think of the movie... "The Passion"?

[Knight]

Assuming of course you have seen it. :D

[Goose]

Not only was it historically inaccurate, but traditionally inaccurate. I was at least expecting it to be traditionally accurate. There were a couple things in the movie that I actually laughed at. The hairy backed, moley midget scene and the crow poking the dude's eye. Also, I can't believe that they actually put a "shroud of Turin" scene in there. Is the "shroud" still considered authentic?

What's up with turning Jewish kids into demons?

My greatest fear about this movie is that people will take this movie as fact and not as an artistic expression. People who call themselves Christians who don't even study what they believe. I will say that the scourging seen seemed real and intense.

[Freak]

Originally posted by Knight

Assuming of course you have seen it. :D Have you seen it? What did you think?

[Freak]

Sozo is the lone one who hated it.

0 out of 5 stars! - AWFUL! 1 20.00%

[Jabez]

It was the Greatest Film of its kind period!

[Behira]

What realy makes people pay good money to sit in the theatre and stare at blood for 45 minutes? The same thing that causes "rubber necking" and gawking on the street when some horrid car accident occurs.

The blood cries out to you from the ground; still.

[Freak]

Originally posted by Jabez

It was the Greatest Film of its kind period! :thumb:

[Nineveh]

Originally posted by Behira

What realy makes people pay good money to sit in the theatre and stare at blood for 45 minutes? The same thing that causes "rubber necking" and gawking on the street when some horrid car accident occurs.

The blood cries out to you from the ground; still.

I'm going to go see it in a few days because I wanted to be reminded and humbled to see what men did to God when we got our hands on Him. It will most certainly put my heart in the right place, humbled before the mighty Creator God who went through that for me. Of all the fake senseless blood/gore/violence depicted in Hollywierd, at least the blood being depicted here isn't senseless. I have to agree with KGOV on this, a sequel is a natural :)

[Sozo]

Originally posted by Freak

Sozo is the lone one who hated it.

0 out of 5 stars! - AWFUL! 1 20.00%

I haven't voted or seen this thread till now.

Apparently on your last so-called "mission" trip, you were attacked and possessed by demons.

You are a liar and an idolator.

[wholearmor]

Originally posted by Sozo

I haven't voted or seen this thread till now.

Apparently on your last so-called "mission" trip, you were attacked and possessed by demons.

You are a liar and an idolator.

...and a hypocrite.

[Lucky]

I notice that it's almost too humbling for one history buff to accept the work of another history buff. In all my history classes, the instructor always has to add "this part (of the book, article, video) is innacurate" every now and then. It's as if they need to correct someone who more than likely knows more about it anyways, just so their ego is satisfied.

"Wow Mr. Ehsteve," says student. "You know history better than the author of this book."

"That's right Jimmy." :thumb:

If you can do a better job at making a movie like this, go for it. But I guarantee someone out there will say it's innacurate. They always will. It would crush their pride if they didn't. I feel sorry for those that actually try to make movies based on history, because they are just setting themselves up for mountains of criticism.

Of course, this doesn't just apply to the subject of history. Nearly every area of study will have the multitudes standing on the shore pointing out all the errors of the few that had the guts to jump into the waves.

Anyways, this post is not really meant to bark at anyone in particular, or to defend anything in particular. I just felt like uh.. making a really long rant I guess. Well, I mean long in comparison to my other posts. Hey, stop criticizing my post already! :chuckle:

[Freak]

Originally posted by Sozo

I haven't voted or seen this thread till now.

Apparently on your last so-called "mission" trip, you were attacked and possessed by demons.

You are a liar and an idolator. Why not vote for Jesus and a presentation of His gospel? They accused Jesus of the same thing....of being indwelt with demons. People who hate Jesus usually say things like that.

Originally posted by Freak

Sozo, you saw the movie. Were you deceived?



Originally posted by Sozo

Yes.


I had honestly hoped that the movie would give the message of the gospel, but it fell short.

Maybe some good will come of it, but I doubt it.

[temple2006]

This movie was conceived and executed by Mel Gibson. Why, I don't know. To me it is pure sensationalism. How it plays out in the lives of the people who see it, we will wait and see and perhaps never know.

[Granite]

The film was relentless, unapologetic, beautiful, barbaric, moving, powerful, and triumphant. (I can't quite think of any more adjectives; it's a little late right now.)

The one gripe--not even flaw--that I can find with the movie is the small, hurried, tacked-on resurrection epilogue. Just five or ten minutes more expanding on it just slightly would have made a tremendous film even better, but that's really just nitpicking. The emphasis of the movie, in case you missed the title, is the passion: the suffering of Christ. Anyway, Gibson included the resurrection at all, and that's good enough.

As a Jew by blood and Christian by faith, I can say that there's no anti-semitism within the film, though there's moments that could be misconstrued as such. But the movie is really a religious ink blot of whoever is watching it; if you want to see anti-semitism, you'll find it without a problem.

All around? Ferocious, beautiful, and job very well done. Worth the wait. Good night!

[Freak]

Originally posted by granite1010

The film was relentless, unapologetic, beautiful, barbaric, moving, powerful, and triumphant. (I can't quite think of any more adjectives; it's a little late right now.)

The one gripe--not even flaw--that I can find with the movie is the small, hurried, tacked-on resurrection epilogue. Just five or ten minutes more expanding on it just slightly would have made a tremendous film even better, but that's really just nitpicking. The emphasis of the movie, in case you missed the title, is the passion: the suffering of Christ. Anyway, Gibson included the resurrection at all, and that's good enough.

As a Jew by blood and Christian by faith, I can say that there's no anti-semitism within the film, though there's moments that could be misconstrued as such. But the movie is really a religious ink blot of whoever is watching it; if you want to see anti-semitism, you'll find it without a problem.

All around? Ferocious, beautiful, and job very well done. Worth the wait. Good night! :up:

[SwItChBlAdE]

I liked it.. It wasnt an 'oh Jesus loves you.. lets all go have tea' movie.. that's a good thing.

i think i was the only one in the crowd who didnt cry.. there was a point i was going to move to another seat cuz I couldnt hear the movie over this sobbing lady... and..Someone died here in Wichita seeing it... yeah.

[taxpayerslavery]

I suppose that there could have been demons tormenting Judas after he disavowed turning in Christ.

It isn't that little Jewish boys turned into demons, it is demons who took on looking like little Jewish boys as part of their attempt to torment Judas. If they took on looking like orientals, Judas, and the movie audience, would not have been as shocked when they changed, becasue it would have been more suspicous.

I liked the movie 5 - awesome, because I can use all the help I can get so as to not take for granted what Christ did for me. I also like that the movie quoted a prophecy in Isaiah and gave the date it was made. This should cause people to be curious.

Since unbelievers and liberals are squawking, you know that the movie struck a chord of truth. :thumb:

I think that the movie will cause people to seek God. :bannana:

I expect this year's resurection sunday to be special. :cool:

[Lion]

This movie had a tremendous impact on me. It was the most inspirational movie I have ever seen, even transcending “The Robe”. From the opening scene with Jesus in the garden of Gethsemane, to the love of Mary, to the crucifixion and resurrection, it was awesome!

I have never been so moved by a film. I believe that from now on when I read the biblical accounts of the great and terrible and wondrous sacrifice that God went through for us, I will remember this movie and be even more greatly affected by it.

(And as for the children turning into demons… didn’t you notice that there weren’t really any children at all? Remember when they were chasing him and suddenly they were gone? It was his own guilt driving him mad to the point where he committed suicide. Notice that Judas was the only one that saw demons in the movie-excluding Satan of course).
:devil:

[Freak]

Originally posted by Lion

This movie had a tremendous impact on me. It was the most inspirational movie I have ever seen, even transcending “The Robe”. From the opening scene with Jesus in the garden of Gethsemane, to the love of Mary, to the crucifixion and resurrection, it was awesome!

I have never been so moved by a film. I believe that from now on when I read the biblical accounts of the great and terrible and wondrous sacrifice that God went through for us, I will remember this movie and be even more greatly affected by it.

(And as for the children turning into demons… didn’t you notice that there weren’t really any children at all? Remember when they were chasing him and suddenly they were gone? It was his own guilt driving him mad to the point where he committed suicide. Notice that Judas was the only one that saw demons in the movie-excluding Satan of course).
:devil: :thumb:

[Poly]

Originally posted by taxpayerslavery

I liked the movie 5 - awesome, because I can use all the help I can get so as to not take for granted what Christ did for me.

Originally posted by Lion
I have never been so moved by a film. I believe that from now on when I read the biblical accounts of the great and terrible and wondrous sacrifice that God went through for us, I will remember this movie and be even more greatly affected by it.

We just came back from seeing this and I couldn't sum up my feelings about it any better than these 2 statements.
I am sincerely grateful for such a movie that would cause the Lord's crucifixion to hit home more, so as to help me never to take for granted or become numb to such an extraordinary act of love. I also look forward and hope to read the biblical accounts of this with a deeper appreciation.

[rajuncajun]

I loved the movie.I took the movie personally,just to know that my savior Jesus took that kind of abuse for me(a sinner)because the fact is he died for all sinners.i cried off and on through the whole movie.AWESOME movie.

[Servo]

We were not there when Christ died for our sins. "The Passion" movie is as close as we are going to get to seeing what the price of sin is and what Christ had to endure for us. The movie is an opportunity to understand the magnitude of the ugliness of our sin that Christ bore in His body for our sakes. Jesus paid the price in full. The cost of sin is death (separation from God). God the Son was the sacrifice and He paid the price. This movie is the best visual that you will see of what took place.
Accepting Christ as our Savior we can come out from under the law and be saved by grace.

Ephesians 2:8
For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,

Isaiah 53:4-6
Surely He has borne our griefs
And carried our sorrows;
Yet we esteemed Him stricken,
Smitten by God, and afflicted.
5But He was wounded for our transgressions,
He was bruised for our iniquities;
The chastisement for our peace was upon Him,
And by His stripes we are healed.
6All we like sheep have gone astray;
We have turned, every one, to his own way;
And the LORD has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.

[SteveT]

Great movie. I saw it twice- our church reserved a showing, and my wife and I went to see it a couple of days before to make sure it was OK for my teenage boys (it is R rated, after all). I cried more the second time than the first. Most moving scene to me was when Mary ran up to him after he fell and Jesus says triumphantly, through all the blood and sweat and misery, "see mother - I make all things new!" I wept.

Does anybody understand the symbolism of the little demon Satan was carrying around in the scourging scene? I think I got most of the other symbolism in the movie, but that one escapes me.

[Servo]

Originally posted by SteveT



Does anybody understand the symbolism of the little demon Satan was carrying around in the scourging scene? I think I got most of the other symbolism in the movie, but that one escapes me.

I think it was to mock Christ and His re-birth?

Maybe it was to mock Mary holding Jesus as a child. Not sure.

[Freak]

Sozo, have you voted yet?

[Sozo]

Originally posted by Freak

Sozo, have you voted yet?

Why would you ask me that? You already bore false witness about me concerning my opinion of this film.

[Freak]

Originally posted by Sozo

Why would you ask me that? Because you have said the following about the movie:

Originally posted by Freak

Sozo, you saw the movie. Were you deceived?



Originally posted by Sozo

Yes.


I had honestly hoped that the movie would give the message of the gospel, but it fell short.

Maybe some good will come of it, but I doubt it.

A movie that presents the death and resurrection of Christ is denounced by someone (Sozo) who claims Christ. Go figure.

[Sozo]

The beating and crucifixion of Jesus is not the fulness of the gospel.

We are not saved by His death. The resurrection scene lasted about 20 seconds.

Beyond all that, my suspicions are already being realized by the amount of cohesiveness between evangelicals and Catholics.

This movie is a catalyst for an ecumenical apostasy.

[Freak]

Originally posted by Sozo

The beating and crucifixion of Jesus is not the fulness of the gospel. The death, burial, and resurrection of Christ is the gospel, see 1 Cor. 15:3-4. Furthermore...the movie portrayed the resurrection, in a powerful manner, as atested by others.

We are not saved by His death. Let me test to what you believe to God's Word:

Since we have now been justified by his blood, how much more shall we be saved from God's wrath through him! For if, when we were God's enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through his life!

The resurrection scene lasted about 20 seconds. The resurrection scene was powerful. Who cares if it lasted 1 minute or 20 seconds or 5 minutes. The fact is this: the resurrection of Christ was honored and promoted!

Beyond all that, my suspicions are already being realized by the amount of cohesiveness between evangelicals and Catholics.

This movie is a catalyst for an ecumenical apostasy. :kookoo:

[Sozo]

Freak

You have denied Jesus. There is nothing left to discuss with you. You are not a brother in Christ. You are the enemy, an idolator, a liar, and a flake.


You have been deceived. God has nothing to do with this film.

[Freak]

Originally posted by Sozo

Freak

You have denied Jesus. Nope. I support Jesus who is God. I have embraced Him as Lord of my life. You, on the other hand, have rejected Him:
Originally posted by Freak

Sozo, you saw the movie. Were you deceived?



Originally posted by Sozo

Yes.


I had honestly hoped that the movie would give the message of the gospel, but it fell short.

Maybe some good will come of it, but I doubt it.

A movie that presents the death and resurrection of Christ is denounced by someone (Sozo) who claims Christ. Go figure. Only devil worshippers and homosexuals (which you may be one, I don't know) would hate the Passion and claim its a tool of the enemy.

There is nothing left to discuss with you. You are not a brother in Christ. You are the enemy, an idolator, a liar, and a flake. Just because you align with the homosexuals who hate this film don't bash me bozo.

You have been deceived. God has nothing to do with this film. You say this despite what other believers have stated on this thread. You're a stupid monkey.

[Lion]

Polly said:I am sincerely grateful for such a movie that would cause the Lord's crucifixion to hit home more, so as to help me never to take for granted or become numb to such an extraordinary act of love. I also look forward and hope to read the biblical accounts of this with a deeper appreciation.Amen!

[Lion]

Shimei said:We were not there when Christ died for our sins. "The Passion" movie is as close as we are going to get to seeing what the price of sin is and what Christ had to endure for us. The movie is an opportunity to understand the magnitude of the ugliness of our sin that Christ bore in His body for our sakes. Jesus paid the price in full.:up:

[Lion]

Jabez said:It was the Greatest Film of its kind period!
So true!!!

BTW I love your avatar and your signature!

[Lion]

SteveT said Great movie. I saw it twice- our church reserved a showing, and my wife and I went to see it a couple of days before to make sure it was OK for my teenage boys (it is R rated, after all). I cried more the second time than the first. Most moving scene to me was when Mary ran up to him after he fell and Jesus says triumphantly, through all the blood and sweat and misery, "see mother - I make all things new!" I wept.

Does anybody understand the symbolism of the little demon Satan was carrying around in the scourging scene? I think I got most of the other symbolism in the movie, but that one escapes me.That scares me a little SteveT because I was so exhausted after seeing it the first time I don’t know for sure if I can handle it a second time. I guess I’ll find out because we are going as a church next Sunday.

It was weird, because Knight’s family and mine saw it together and after it was over we all just sort of zombied out of the theater and went our separate ways. We couldn’t even talk about it right then, it was just too fresh and painful and wonderful, and terrible.

I totally lost it at the exact place that you did, when Jesus fell down, and there was the flash back to young Jesus falling down. Man that was tough! Just too hard to take.

One thing it did for me was to make me realize that I have forgotten just how horrible it all was for Mary. Sometimes we Protestants tend to almost look down on Mary because we feel the Catholics deify her, but how foolish for us to do that because of some peoples misconceptions. It has nothing to do with Mary! It helped me see her in a whole new light. She is indeed the “Most blessed of all women” but at a high cost.

Oh and as to the little baby at the scourging scene, I agree that it was a mocking of the nativity and of Mary, showing that he, Satan thought he would win in the end. WRONG!

[Poly]

Originally posted by Lion


It was weird, because Knight’s family and mine saw it together and after it was over we all just sort of zombied out of the theater and went our separate ways. We couldn’t even talk about it right then, it was just too fresh and painful and wonderful, and terrible.


Wow! The same thing happened with us. We went to see it with my parents. I had expectations of us all coming out of the theater saying stuff like, "Awesome! That movie rocked!" But the fact is, I think it "rocked" us a little harder than we had anticipated. It was as if we were unprepared for just how "awesome" this movie would be and what kind of impact it would have on us. I think I can truly say that my love for the Lord is greater because of the reality of Christ's love that this movie helped bring home to me. The Lord is good. May His name be blessed forever!

[wholearmor]

Good acting by some, not so good by others. Great visual effects. I shed a tear knowing Christ was actually scourged worse than the movie depicted. Overall, I look at it as another movie in a line of movies about Christ, just more graphic when it came to his physical punishment than the others I've seen. It doesn't seem to me that any movie at any time could ever do justice to Jesus' life, death, and resurrection. I would be surprised if many truly come to Christ as a result of this movie. Other movies I've seen that aren't about Christ did a lot better job connecting me with the main character than this movie did connecting me with the character of Christ. I wonder if the same will be the result for unbelievers that see it?

In case you miss Tye (or even if you don't), here's rfburnhertz, Tye, and me before the show.

[Lucky]

Originally posted by wholearmor

In case you miss Tye (or even if you don't), here's rfburnhertz, Tye, and me before the show.
:wave: Howdy people in the photo! It's hard to get a good spamathon going without Tye. :(

[wholearmor]

Would you like to be his predecessor?

[Lucky]

Originally posted by wholearmor

Would you like to be his predecessor?
You mean successor?

[wholearmor]

:o Picky, picky, picky!

Yes, that too. :chuckle:

[the Sibbie]

It was pretty good, and true enough to the text, but there were a few minor things that they left out, that I would have added. I thought it was good, but I didn't think it was in-your-face enough. Haha! Maybe I'm just crazy!

[philosophizer]

The best word I can find to describe it is "humbling." So many critics have said that it is so brutal that Christ's message of love is lost. I say the whole thing was fully stitched with love. Everything Christ did and went through, knowing himself how awful it would be. So very humbling.

I also loved the depiction of Christ's humanness in the opening scene and the flashbacks.

I loved it in a terrifyingly reverent, personal way.

[Lion]

Polly said: I had expectations of us all coming out of the theater saying stuff like, "Awesome! That movie rocked!" But the fact is, I think it "rocked" us a little harder than we had anticipated. It was as if we were unprepared for just how "awesome" this movie would be and what kind of impact it would have on us. I think I can truly say that my love for the Lord is greater because of the reality of Christ's love that this movie helped bring home to me. The Lord is good. May His name be blessed forever!Exactly Polly. It rocked us just as you described. And I had really tried to prepare myself and my family before we went. We prayed before we went in, asking God to help us to understand and appreciate what Jesus did for us because of His great love. Even then, it was just too much. Awesome and terrible.

I’m having a hard time with people on this forum criticizing it the way some of them are, it was so meaningful to me and to everyone I have personally met and talked to about it. I wonder how they went into the film, what their heart set was? I wonder if they didn’t have their minds made up and so, only saw the flaws and honed in on them. Sure there were certain Catholic intonations in the movie, so what? The movie was Christ centered and gave a visual and emotional representation of what Christ, and the people around Him went through during the last twelve hours of His earthly life, and the few minutes after His resurrection.

I know of two unbelievers, living in sin together that called Bob E. after seeing the movie and then came to see him and talk about the film. They gave their lives to the Lord that night and asked Bob to marry them, which he is going to do.

But, some see evil and in everything, when they want to. Too bad and too sad for them.Mark 9:38-41 Now John answered Him, saying, “Teacher, we saw someone who does not follow us casting out demons in Your name, and we forbade him because he does not follow us.” But Jesus said, “Do not forbid him, for no one who works a miracle in My name can soon afterward speak evil of Me. “For he who is not against us is on our side. “For whoever gives you a cup of water to drink in My name, because you belong to Christ, assuredly, I say to you, he will by no means lose his reward.

[Lion]

philosophizer said:I loved it in a terrifyingly reverent, personal way. :thumb:

[Knight]

Hey Lion, I was just wondering if you saw this (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12958&perpage=15&pagenumber=1) thread?

[Turbo]

Man... I looked up an old Lion post that I was going to link on that page, after giving Nietzschean a chance to back up his claim.(

(Lion... let me know if you want the link to save some time and trouble.)

[Crow]

Originally posted by philosophizer

The best word I can find to describe it is "humbling." So many critics have said that it is so brutal that Christ's message of love is lost. I say the whole thing was fully stitched with love. Everything Christ did and went through, knowing himself how awful it would be. So very humbling.

I also loved the depiction of Christ's humanness in the opening scene and the flashbacks.

I loved it in a terrifyingly reverent, personal way.

What he said.

I think some of the symbolism presented--Satan carrying the demon around, the raven picking the cursing thief's eyes out--did not add to the movie, but it was not enough to be distracting.

To see a non-sanitized depiction of the torture Christ was willing to endure to save humanity was a profound and humbling experience. The brutality and violence shown did not negate the message of Christ's love, but rather starkly portrayed the depth of the love that would produce such a sacrifice, and the incredible price He was willing to pay for our salvation..

[wholearmor]

Originally posted by Crow

What he said.

I think some of the symbolism presented--Satan carrying the demon around, the raven picking the cursing thief's eyes out--did not add to the movie, but it was not enough to be distracting.

To see a non-sanitized depiction of the torture Christ was willing to endure to save humanity was a profound and humbling experience. The brutality and violence shown did not negate the message of Christ's love, but rather starkly portrayed the depth of the love that would produce such a sacrifice, and the incredible price He was willing to pay for our salvation..

You don't think the depiction of the torture Christ was willing to endure was sanitized at all?

[Crow]

I think it was shown as accurately as one can depict it in a 2 hour film without actually killing someone. I don't think any sanitization was attempted--film, books, speech all have their inherent limitations. No, it wasn't the same as being present when Christ was crucified--no media can portray that with complete accuracy. I think Gibson gave as accurate a vision of what Christ endured that is humanly possible to recreate at this time.

[wholearmor]

Originally posted by Crow

I think it was shown as accurately as one can depict it in a 2 hour film without actually killing someone. I don't think any sanitization was attempted--film, books, speech all have their inherent limitations. No, it wasn't the same as being present when Christ was crucified--no media can portray complete accuracy. I think Gibson gave as accurate a vision of what Christ endured that is humanly possible to recreate at this time.

I don't. I'm not saying he should have, but he could have made it as gruesome as he wanted to. Much more gruesome than it was.

[Crow]

What would you have done differently?

[wholearmor]

Originally posted by Crow

What would you have done differently?

Nothing. I'm just saying I don't believe it was a "non-sanitized" version of what really happened.

[Crow]

It was the most accurate version of of the actual torment Christ endured that I have ever seen. What do you think was sanitized about it? And do you think there was a deliberate attempt to sanitize the depiction, and for what reason if you think this was purposeful?

[wholearmor]

Originally posted by Crow

It was the most accurate version of of the actual torment Christ endured that I have ever seen. What do you think was sanitized about it? And do you think there was a deliberate attempt to sanitize the depiction, and for what reason if you think this was purposeful?

If it was non-sanitized as you depicted in your original post, it would have to be 100% accurate to what actually happened. I don't believe it was. I believe Christ endured more than was depicted in the movie. No, I don't believe there was a deliberate attempt to sanitize the depiction for some hidden agenda. I'm not sure too many people could take it if the truly non-sanitized version were shown.

[Crow]

Originally posted by wholearmor

If it was non-sanitized as you depicted in your original post, it would have to be 100% accurate to what actually happened. I don't believe it was. I believe Christ endured more than was depicted in the movie. No, I don't believe there was a deliberate attempt to sanitize the depiction for some hidden agenda. I'm not sure too many people could take it if the truly non-sanitized version were shown.

It may have been worse. I think, obvious symbolism aside, this movie was made with intent and effort to portray the crucifixion of Christ as closely as possible. There is no earthly means to achieve 100% accuracy as we cannot view the actual event. This is not sanitation, but a product of the constraints imposed by lack of living witnesses and the limitations of media, and the limitations of mankind itself. It cannot be recreated perfectly by imperfect humans.

IMHO, Gibson, cast, and crew did an amazing job.

[BillyBob]

I think that Gibson overdid the scourge scene. While the movie was pretty good, no man could have taken a beating like that, lose that much blood and still be expected to walk, let alone carry a couple of huge timbers up hill all the while being whipped. It wasn't realistic.

I still liked the movie. I'm especially happy that Mel Is making a boatload of money off of it.

Take 'That' Hollywood!

[NoHell]

Originally posted by Lion


I’m having a hard time with people on this forum criticizing it the way some of them are, it was so meaningful to me and to everyone I have personally met and talked to about it. I wonder how they went into the film, what their heart set was? I wonder if they didn’t have their minds made up and so, only saw the flaws and honed in on them. Sure there were certain Catholic intonations in the movie, so what? The movie was Christ centered and gave a visual and emotional representation of what Christ, and the people around Him went through during the last twelve hours of His earthly life, and the few minutes after His resurrection.

But, some see evil and in everything, when they want to. Too bad and too sad for them. :up:

[BillyBob]

The Movie has made over 200 Million in less than 2 weeks! :greedy:

Nice work, Mel! :up:

[Jabez]

Where did you see that/?

[Lighthouse]

I gave it a four. Mostly due to the symbolism that no one is going to understand [the demon baby]. That and the lack of glory in the resurrection scene. The resurrection usually evokes more emotion in me. Actually, this movie did not evoke as much emotion as I was expecting it to. It didn't hit home, enough. I'm not sure why, but it didn't. There was also the disciples referring to Mary as mother. And then Jesus referred to her as woman, which is scriptural. If Jesus referred to her as woman, why would the disciples do any different? I went in thinking I would feel that I was hitting Christ, or thinking about how I deserved what he went through. And I felt neither. Not from the movie, anyway. I think Mel should have taken more artistic license and had Jim look into the camera at times. I also think Judas should have been shown to have more torment. Not just by demons, but within his own soul. I would think that he would have wept and cried out, questioning how he could have done such a thing. And I really think there should have been a **** crowing, right after the flashback sequence, during Peter's denial. And they should have had the end of the flashback conversation, in which Peter says he would never do such a thing. I feel it should have been more epic, and shown the scenes at the last supper that involved Judas and led up to his betrayal. I also wanted the scene where the soldier said, "Surely this was the Son of God."

[ShadowMaid]

Hey, I just saw The Passion. I thought it was good. Makes me broken hearted to think that Jesus went through so much pain and suffering.

[BillyBob]

Originally posted by Jabez

Where did you see that/?

I heard it on the radio. I grabbed a few links which do not concur, but they may be from different dates, I didn't notice. One of them shows a 10 day gross of over 175 million.

http://www.the-numbers.com/

http://www.eonline.com/Reviews/Movies/Plus/Stats/

[OMEGA]

I don't want to see it.

I have practically lived it.

I have been spit on , punched, stabbed,

put in prison , mocked, treated like dirt , homeless,

had blood pouring from my skull,

and been mangled and scorned by men .

I don't want to see any more suffering .
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(2 Tim 2:12 KJV) "If we suffer, we shall also reign with him:

(Mat 5:11 KJV) "Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake."

(2 Cor 11:26 KJV) "In journeyings often, in perils of waters, in perils of robbers, in perils by mine own countrymen, in perils by the heathen, in perils in the city, in perils in the wilderness, in perils in the sea, in perils among false brethren;"

(2 Cor 11:27 KJV) "In weariness and painfulness, in watchings often, in hunger and thirst, in fastings often, in cold and nakedness."

[Prisca]

The Passion was an amazing movie! I was riveted from beginning to end. I even had to remind myself to breath at times. The use of subtitles was brilliant. My kids have commented that they can't remember actually reading the dialogue. They felt it was as if they could understand the spoken languages. We do watch a lot of foreign films together though, so it could just be that they are used to reading subtitles.

Tonight I watched ABC's Judas. What a tragedy! Even my kids couldn't take it seriously after seeing The Passion. At one point, the actor portraying Jesus said to Judas, "I want you to spend eternity with me and my Father. What do you say?" We all broke out laughing.

I feel as though I need to see The Passion again just to erase the memory of Judas from my mind.

[Lighthouse]

So, BB...do you have an issue with the resurrection scene?

[Freak]

Originally posted by Becky

The Passion was an amazing movie! I was riveted from beginning to end. I even had to remind myself to breath at times. The use of subtitles was brilliant. My kids have commented that they can't remember actually reading the dialogue. They felt it was as if they could understand the spoken languages. We do watch a lot of foreign films together though, so it could just be that they are used to reading subtitles.

Tonight I watched ABC's Judas. What a tragedy! Even my kids couldn't take it seriously after seeing The Passion. At one point, the actor portraying Jesus said to Judas, "I want you to spend eternity with me and my Father. What do you say?" We all broke out laughing.

I feel as though I need to see The Passion again just to erase the memory of Judas from my mind. :thumb:

[Clete]

I just watched the movie tonight.
It was much better than I expected!
It was much harder to watch than expected as well.

The power of the silver scene is staggering! It is unfortunate that God honoring movies are so rare and well made ones almost unheard of. Mel Gibson is to be comended.

Resting in Him,
Clete

[BillyBob]

Originally posted by lighthouse

So, BB...do you have an issue with the resurrection scene?

No, not really. It was pretty ambiguous. What did you think about it?

[Nineveh]

Ok, I finally went to see it :)

It was a really good artisitc interpretation of historical events. I thought Mr. Gibson's portrayal of Judas' demons was brilliant. I can't wait for the DVD so I can watch it again and pick up some of the finer points I might have missed the first time :)

I duno if it was this way everywhere or not, but, when the lights went dim, the movie started. This alone is a positive impact on the movie theater industry :) :up:

One gripe was the end. I found it to be in the same taste as Michelangelo's "David". :down:

During the movie certain characters' dialog reminded me of some of the stuff I hear on TOL. Caiphas said something about Jesus spreading "evil doctrines", and it reminded me of smaller. Then Pontius Pilot asks, "What is Truth?", and it reminded me first of PureX, then all the other "agnostic christian taoists". And the devil reminded me of Gerald.

[jjjg]

How do non Catholics deal with the mary part of the movie and the parts that were from the visionary Emery? I believe that was her name.

[Poly]

Originally posted by Nineveh

And the devil reminded me of Gerald.
:darwinsm:

(maybe this shouldn't be funny but it caught me off guard and I cracked up)

[Zakath]

Originally posted by jjjg

How do non Catholics deal with the mary part of the movie and the parts that were from the visionary Emery? I believe that was her name. I think that's Anne Catherine Emmerich. :)

[Free-Agent Smith]

I would have to agree with Nineveh. It's the best one to date.
I prefered to wait till the crowds went down to go see it but I would watch again :)

[Lion]

Jjjg asked: How do non-Catholics deal with the Mary part of the movie and the parts that were from the visionary Emery? I believe that was her name. I’m a non-catholic and I was amazed at the scenes of Mary. In fact they were the ones that got to me first.

As a Protestant I have at times almost looked badly on Mary, because of the attempt of many Catholics to make her into a near god. But this movie helped to show me how wrong it is for me to take that out on her.

She is indeed the “Most blessed of all women”. Also the most cursed, look what she had to endure.

As for the other Catholic symbols, they didn’t bother me at all. The movie was totally Christ centered, and it was awesome!

[Lovejoy]

Originally posted by Zakath

I think that's Anne Catherine Emmerich. :)

That's the VENERABLE Anne Catherine Emmerich to you, Zakath! I found that stuff terribly distracting. It's my own fault, I have built far to poignant a picture of Christ's suffering and victory to have a movie compare. And I worried about the revisionism, especially how it would affect new believers. I am a spoil sport!

[Lighthouse]

I felt the resurrection scene was lacking. I think it was downplayed.

[Aimiel]

Originally posted by Goose
I will say that the scourging seen seemed real and intense.I thought that the scourging scene was the least realistic of the crucifixion scenes. If He were ripped apart like that, there would have been little or no feeling left, and would have quickly bled to death. The Romans had polished torment to an art, and knew how to inflict pain, using a whip with pottery shards 'glued' to it by dipping the leather thongs in blood. This would cause scratches, just deep enough to break the skin, but not rip the skin from the body. The name for it, "Cat-of-nine-tails," came about because of the painful wounds it created, which were akin to being scratched by a cat. I felt that the shredding of His skin by the whip, in this movie, was gratuitous, and worthless. It was done for shock value, for the sake of the audience.

[SOTK]

What an awesome movie!!!!!!!! :up: Actually, for me, it's hard to explain how exactly I feel about this movie. I'll try.....

This movie had a profound impact on me. I have felt that in the last year I've grown in my understanding of the ultimate gift of Christ's death. I mean really understand it. Seeing the visual graphic sacrifice of Christ's death for us really topped off my understanding and extreme gratitude of God's most unbelievable, wonderful Gift. Like I say, it's hard for me to find the words. I'm still not giving it the proper justice.

I've never been this affected by a movie before. It was hard for me to watch, but I did. Seeing the abuse that Christ took for me, for us, literally brought me to my knees within the theater. I didn't care. I dropped down right there in the theater and sobbed in shame and gratitude.

This movie really drove home to me that I am just really not worthy of this most wondrous gift. I felt like "How dare I sin!" "How dare I ever sin!". Know what I mean?

I think I'll stop here. I am not sure what else to say. Like I said, it's tough to come up with the right words. I'll just end this by saying that I encourage all of you who haven't seen this movie to see it!

In Christ,

SOTK

[SOTK]

Originally posted by Lion

Jjjg asked: I’m a non-catholic and I was amazed at the scenes of Mary. In fact they were the ones that got to me first.

As a Protestant I have at times almost looked badly on Mary, because of the attempt of many Catholics to make her into a near god. But this movie helped to show me how wrong it is for me to take that out on her.

She is indeed the “Most blessed of all women”. Also the most cursed, look what she had to endure.

As for the other Catholic symbols, they didn’t bother me at all. The movie was totally Christ centered, and it was awesome!

I agree with Lion. I definitely noticed that some Catholic beliefs showed up, but they did not bother me. The message in this movie was extremely clear. In fact, I will not be party to "picking" apart this movie in anyway. I'm not sure if I'll even want to watch it again. I think it might cheapin the message. That's how strongly I feel about this movie.

[Aimiel]

My favorite part was the way Satan got his head 'bruised' in the garden. It made me think of the Garden of Eden, where that was prophecied.

[Freak]

Originally posted by SOTK4ever

What an awesome movie!!!!!!!! :up: Actually, for me, it's hard to explain how exactly I feel about this movie. I'll try.....

This movie had a profound impact on me. I have felt that in the last year I've grown in my understanding of the ultimate gift of Christ's death. I mean really understand it. Seeing the visual graphic sacrifice of Christ's death for us really topped off my understanding and extreme gratitude of God's most unbelievable, wonderful Gift. Like I say, it's hard for me to find the words. I'm still not giving it the proper justice.

I've never been this affected by a movie before. It was hard for me to watch, but I did. Seeing the abuse that Christ took for me, for us, literally brought me to my knees within the theater. I didn't care. I dropped down right there in the theater and sobbed in shame and gratitude.

This movie really drove home to me that I am just really not worthy of this most wondrous gift. I felt like "How dare I sin!" "How dare I ever sin!". Know what I mean?

I think I'll stop here. I am not sure what else to say. Like I said, it's tough to come up with the right words. I'll just end this by saying that I encourage all of you who haven't seen this movie to see it!

In Christ,

SOTK :thumb:

[Dread Helm]

It was definately the Best movie I've ever seen. It was sad, and yet so glorious.

[Pritykity]

I haven't seen it yet, and I'm not sure if I want to. I've heard that it's incredibly gory, but also very inspiring and worth it. Any advice? (And would it be best to see in theatres or at home?)

[Sozo]

Originally posted by Pritykity

I haven't seen it yet, and I'm not sure if I want to. I've heard that it's incredibly gory, but also very inspiring and worth it. Any advice? (And would it be best to see in theatres or at home?)

It is a good movie for Christians to have some idea about what Christ suffered for our sins, but other than that it is not worth seeing.

[Lovejoy]

Originally posted by Sozo

It is a good movie for Christians to have some idea about what Christ suffered for our sins, but other than that it is not worth seeing.

I just talked to somebody today that thought (because of the movie) that Mary Magdelene was a prostitute, and that the snake smashing was in the Gospel. This person reads their bible, but it was just so easy to seam that stuff into what you remember! Naw, you just got to be a tough, super literate believer before you can expose yourself to such tempting half truths. I have actually spent many hours with my minichurch making sure we can all speak to people about the right and wrong in this movie. I am not very popular right now!

[Granite]

The film was relentless, unapologetic, beautiful, barbaric, moving, powerful, and triumphant. (I can't quite think of any more adjectives; it's a little late right now.)

The one gripe--not even flaw--that I can find with the movie is the small, hurried, tacked-on resurrection epilogue. Just five or ten minutes more expanding on it just slightly would have made a tremendous film even better, but that's really just nitpicking. The emphasis of the movie, in case you missed the title, is the passion: the suffering of Christ. Anyway, Gibson included the resurrection at all, and that's good enough.

As a Jew by blood and Christian by faith, I can say that there's no anti-semitism within the film, though there's moments that could be misconstrued as such. But the movie is really a religious ink blot of whoever is watching it; if you want to see anti-semitism, you'll find it without a problem.

All around? Ferocious, beautiful, and job very well done. Worth the wait. Good night!

My how people can change!:chuckle:

[Apologist]

Not only was it historically inaccurate, but traditionally inaccurate. I was at least expecting it to be traditionally accurate.

I must contest this point.

It is more or less taken from the Gospels. The "added" parts are taken from a mystic nun's version. I forget the name of the mystic nun, though.

[koban]

My how people can change!:chuckle:


:shut:

[Granite]

:shut:

Oh come on already--or PM me!

[koban]

Oh come on already--or PM me!


:chuckle: Nah - I had just banged out something to provoke you and thought better of it.I don't have the time to chase you today. :D

[koban]

Freak

You have denied Jesus. There is nothing left to discuss with you. You are not a brother in Christ. You are the enemy, an idolator, a liar, and a flake.


You have been deceived. God has nothing to do with this film.



And some things never change! :chuckle:

[Granite]

:chuckle: Nah - I had just banged out something to provoke you and thought better of it.I don't have the time to chase you today. :D

:chuckle:

Fair enough!:devil: