Mean TOL members

[Poly]

There are some really mean people on this board. They don't care enough about unbelievers to warn them of the destruction that awaits them. They lie to them and lead them down the wrong path saying such things as "God loves everybody".

Psalm 5:5 "...Thou hatest all workers of iniquity"
Psalm 11:5 "The Lord trieth the righteous but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hates."

Another lie they tell is that "God hates the sin but loves the sinner".
Matthew 12:35 "A good man, out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth good things and an evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth evil things."
Matthew 15:11 "What comes out of the mouth defiles a man"

I often see people say that all sins are the same. But there are some sins that God really puts extra emphasis on in showing just how much he hates it such as when He refers to homosexuality as an abomination. (Leviticus 18:21-23)

It is clear that some sins are greater than others.

John 19:11 "Therefore the one who delivered Me to you has the greater sin"

Luke 12: 46-48 "the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. 47And that servant who knew his master's will, and did not prepare himself or do according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. 48But he who did not know, yet committed things deserving of stripes, shall be beaten with few. For everyone to whom much is given, from him much will be required; and to whom much has been committed, of him they will ask the more."

Many members appear to be loving but according to Romans 12:9, they are hypocrites.

Why would some people want to be so mean? I realize that a lot of the time it is done out of ignorance but some know that they should be more bold in speaking against wickedness but being liked by others and not offending is more important to them than truth. They want to be liked by believers as well as non-believers regardless of the fact that, according to Jesus, if you follow Him you will be hated.
Matthew 10:22 "And you will be hated by all men for my name's sake."

[beanieboy]

Ok. I will change my ways.

Poly, you are so full of blinding self righteous hatred, that you are doing no good to anyone but exhaulting yourself.

Love ya.

[ShadowMaid]

Originally posted by Poly

There are some really mean people on this board. They don't care enough about unbelievers to warn them of the destruction that awaits them. They lie to them and lead them down the wrong path saying such things as "God loves everybody".

Psalm 5:5 "...Thou hatest all workers of iniquity"
Psalm 11:5 "The Lord trieth the righteous but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hates."

Another lie they tell is that "God hates the sin but loves the sinner".
Matthew 12:35 "A good man, out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth good things and an evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth evil things."
Matthew 15:11 "What comes out of the mouth defiles a man"

I often see people say that all sins are the same. But there are some sins that God really puts extra emphasis on in showing just how much he hates it such as when He refers to homosexuality as an abomination. (Leviticus 18:21-23)

It is clear that some sins are greater than others.

John 19:11 "Therefore the one who delivered Me to you has the greater sin"

Luke 12: 46-48 "the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. 47And that servant who knew his master's will, and did not prepare himself or do according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. 48But he who did not know, yet committed things deserving of stripes, shall be beaten with few. For everyone to whom much is given, from him much will be required; and to whom much has been committed, of him they will ask the more."

Many members appear to be loving but according to Romans 12:9, they are hypocrites.

Why would some people want to be so mean? I realize that a lot of the time it is done out of ignorance but some know that they should be more bold in speaking against wickedness but being liked by others and not offending is more important to them than truth. They want to be liked by believers as well as non-believers regardless of the fact that, according to Jesus, if you follow Him you will be hated.
Matthew 10:22 "And you will be hated by all men for my name's sake."

:thumb:
Ya know Poly, that's what I've been taught.

[Poly]

Originally posted by beanieboy

Ok. I will change my ways.

Poly, you are so full of blinding self righteous hatred, that you are doing no good to anyone but exhaulting yourself.

Love ya.
And those that continue to spit in the face of God until the day of judgment, we get to rejoice over when they get what's coming to them.

Psalm 58:10 "The righteous shall rejoice when he seeth the vengence. He shall wash his feet in the blood of the wicked."

[Dave Miller]

Its one thing to say "by sinning, you are hurting yourself, and God
loves you very much and doesn't want you to be hurting yourself or
others."

Its another to say "God is going to burn you in hell for all eternity if
you keep doing that."

That's a misrepresentation of who God is and why He cares about sin.

Dave

[Poly]

Originally posted by Dave Miller


Its another to say "God is going to burn you in hell for all eternity if
you keep doing that."

That's a misrepresentation of who God is and why He cares about sin.

Dave

I know, Dave, your favorite verse is probably John 3:16, right? Too bad you don't have enough respect for God to read on a few more verses.

John 3:18 "He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."

[philosophizer]

Meanies! :mad:

[servent101]

Poly - beanieboy was concerned about you - and you spit in his face - and beanieboy knew the reply that you would give would be "gross" - yet he suffered at your hand willingly, trying to help you avoid the wrath that will come to you.

Beanieboy is more of a Christian influence where he is right now, not being a Christian than you will ever be, unless you come to your senses.

Seems the Lords words - Many will come to me on that day and say Lord, when did I see you hungry and thirsty - and the Lord replies - whatever you did to the least of my brethren - that you did unto me. These people are surprised the Lord knows them and is granting them eternal life - but as for people like you - you think you are going to the Lord, full of your piss and vinegar and are going to see people like beanieboy burn in hell - and enjoy it.... well I think you have lost it.

With Christ's Love

Servent101

[adajos]

There are some really mean people on this board. They don't care enough about unbelievers to warn them of the destruction that awaits them. They lie to them and lead them down the wrong path saying such things as "God loves everybody"

Which is meaner---to warn people of their sin while still treating them as a valuable person to God, or to self-righteously use derogatory terms for them while pronouncing judgement incessantly?

Another lie they tell is that "God hates the sin but loves the sinner".
Matthew 12:35 "A good man, out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth good things and an evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth evil things."
Matthew 15:11 "What comes out of the mouth defiles a man"

So then why do you think Christ dined with and hung out with sinners all the time? Because He hated the sinner?

You can't just pick your "favorite" verses and jump to conclusions without considering all applicable scripture.

I often see people say that all sins are the same. But there are some sins that God really puts extra emphasis on in showing just how much he hates it such as when He refers to homosexuality as an abomination. (Leviticus 18:21-23)

It is clear that some sins are greater than others.

Some sins have more consequences than others. There may be some that God dislikes more than others. So what? Even the tiniest little sin is sufficient to make any one of us deserving of hell. So that means you, me, and homosexuals.

Why would some people want to be so mean? I realize that a lot of the time it is done out of ignorance but some know that they should be more bold in speaking against wickedness but being liked by others and not offending is more important to them than truth. They want to be liked by believers as well as non-believers regardless of the fact that, according to Jesus, if you follow Him you will be hated.
Matthew 10:22 "And you will be hated by all men for my name's sake."

Look, to the extent that brushing over and ignoring sin is not helping somebody I will agree. That is extremely harmful. It is important that sinners know they are sinning. This doesn't necessitate treating them like crap.

But the other side of that coin is not showing Christ's love to sinners because of being too busy calling them derogatory names and talking about how they make you want to vomit.

Christ associated with sinners. He didn't gloss over sin, but he loved them. The main people Christ reserved his harsh judgement for was the Pharisees who were hard-hearted, self-righteous, and should have known better than anyone else what would please God.

[Dave Miller]

Originally posted by Poly

I know, Dave, your favorite verse is probably John 3:16, right? Too bad you don't have enough respect for God to read on a few more verses.

John 3:18 "He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."

Yes, condemned already. To not know God is to exist in
condemnation. Its not God's Will that we live in condemnation,
condemnation is the condition we exist in if we do not have
God in our lives.

I quote my favorite verse, God is love...

Dave

[Poly]

Originally posted by adajos




So then why do you think Christ dined with and hung out with sinners all the time? Because He hated the sinner?


Because they were repentant. :doh:

You can't just pick your "favorite" verses and jump to conclusions without considering all applicable scripture.
You saying that I'm picking favorite verses and jumping to conclusions with them doesn't make it true. If you feel this way is it not more beneficial to explain how this is being done rather than just expecting people to believe this is the case simply because servent101 says so? Let's start here.


18"He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."

I take this verse to mean that those who do not believe in God are condemned. Please show how I am picking this verse and jumping to the conclusion I just gave.


The main people Christ reserved his harsh judgement for was the Pharisees who were hard-hearted, self-righteous, and should have known better than anyone else what would please God.

Christ reserved harsh judgement for all those who were unrepentant.

Matthew 10:34-36 "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth. I came not to send peace but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be of his own household."

[Lucky]

Originally posted by beanieboy

Ok. I will change my ways.

Poly, you are so full of blinding self righteous hatred, that you are doing no good to anyone but exhaulting yourself.

Love ya.
Does it really matter to you? It's not like you would actually change your ways if someone told you "God is love" and "God loves sinners." (Who would?) Excuses, excuses, excuses...

[Poly]

Originally posted by Dave Miller

Its not God's Will that we live in condemnation,

I never said it was. It's man's.
condemnation is the condition we exist in if we do not have God in our lives.
Agreed.

I quote my favorite verse, God is love...
Big surprise there! :rolleyes:

[Dread Helm]

Originally posted by Dave Miller
I quote my favorite verse, God is love...

Dave

That's the same verse as "Judge not, and hate the sin, not the sinner." right? Book: 1 Cliche 1:1

[beanieboy]

Originally posted by Lucky

Does it really matter to you? It's not like you would actually change your ways if someone told you "God is love" and "God loves sinners." (Who would?) Excuses, excuses, excuses...

Does it matter to you that Poly is a blinded, self righteous person that tries to do anything to be offensive, and in so, only exhaults herself?

Does it not bother you that christ told a parable about a pharisee in the temple saying, "I pray everyday, I tithe, I read scripture, and i'm so glad that I not like THAT sinner", and that christ said it was the latter (the repentent sinner) that he loved, and not the self righteous, self exhaulting follower and teacher of the law?

Do you not care about Poly's eternal fate?

Or are you happy to simply act like a Pharisee?

[Poly]

Originally posted by beanieboy

Does it not bother you that christ told a parable about a pharisee in the temple saying, "I pray everyday, I tithe, I read scripture, and i'm so glad that I not like THAT sinner", and that christ said it was the latter (the repentent sinner) that he loved, and not the self righteous, self exhaulting follower and teacher of the law?


Quit insinuating things that are not true. I boast in nothing that I do. My righteousness is that of Christ alone. You may not like hearing the things that are said of God but that does not give you the right to say false things about those that warn you of the destruction that God says is awaiting you.

[smaller]

What you present Poly is the CLASSIC CHRISTIAN VERSION of LOVE.

You yourself HAVE SIN and you WHINE TO OTHERS to BEHAVE OR YOU WILL BURN IN HELL FOREVER.

I call this simply YOU being a HYPOCRITE. You call it "love."

go figure.

When you have ERADICATED SIN from YOURSELF perhaps you would have a point but of course that has not happened yet so whatever...

In the meantime we see your (a)version of LOVE. This is the ABSOLUTE BEST you can come up with???

You say in effect YOU ARE NO DIFFERENT THAN ME BUT YOU, YOU, YOU will BURN BURN BURN forever in fire by God.

What a jerk you are Poly. I think any common domesticated animal has more LOVE than YOU.

smaller

[beanieboy]

This is what you are asking for, isn't it Poly?
These kind of responses?

[smaller]

the truth can be a little painful

[Knight]

:chuckle: I like this thread Poly.

[beanieboy]

Karma is a boomerang.

[Poly]

Originally posted by smaller

What you present Poly is the CLASSIC CHRISTIAN VERSION of LOVE.

You yourself HAVE SIN and you WHINE TO OTHERS to BEHAVE OR YOU WILL BURN IN HELL FOREVER.


I call this simply YOU being a HYPOCRITE. You call it "love."
Ok, good for you. God says you are the hypocrite but I'm sure that matters nothing to you since you know better than He does.

When you have ERADICATED SIN from YOURSELF perhaps you would have a point but of course that has not happened yet so whatever... That's according to Tiny Tim. Christ on the other hand says that by accepting Him my sins are eradicated. Let's see, believe what Tiny says to be true or God? Sorry, gonna have to go with God on this.


In the meantime we see your (a)version of LOVE. This is the ABSOLUTE BEST you can come up with???
Well, since it comes straight from God, I'd have to give that one a big, emphatic YES!

You say in effect YOU ARE NO DIFFERENT THAN ME I did? :confused:
BUT YOU, YOU, YOU will BURN BURN BURN forever in fire by God.
Again, I, I, I am gonna have to go, go, go with God on this one. He says I won't.


What a jerk you are Poly. I think any common domesticated animal has more LOVE than YOU.
Why are you judging me, Tiny? I believe that you've been known to speak against this a time or two. Let's see, now that would make you a hypocrite, now wouldn't it?

[smaller]

Ok, good for you. God says you are the hypocrite but I'm sure that matters nothing to you since you know better than He does.

I am not the one claiming God's Exclusive Love to myself though eh?

quote from smaller:
When you have ERADICATED SIN from YOURSELF perhaps you would have a point but of course that has not happened yet so whatever...

That's according to Tiny Tim.

Are you SINless Poly???

Christ on the other hand says that by accepting Him my sins are eradicated.

You are SINLESS then Poly??? Come on...just let the words cross your lips and your fingertips....

Let's see, believe what Tiny says to be true or God? Sorry, gonna have to go with God on this.

tapping, tapping....

quote from smaller:
In the meantime we see your (a)version of LOVE. This is the ABSOLUTE BEST you can come up with???

Well, since it comes straight from God, I'd have to give that one a big, emphatic YES!

Let me get this STRAIGHT now Poly. You are BOTH SINLESS and SPEAK DIRECTLY FROM GOD?

Is this correct?

quote from smaller:
You say in effect YOU ARE NO DIFFERENT THAN ME

I did?

Oh, that's right. YOU ARE SINless....I forgot...is forgetting a SIN?

quote from smaller:
BUT YOU, YOU, YOU will BURN BURN BURN forever in fire by God.

Again, I'm gonna have to go with God on this one. He says I won't.

Well of course. Why should God burn someone WHO IS SINLESS??? That's easy enough to figure out eh?

quote from smaller:
What a jerk you are Poly. I think any common domesticated animal has more LOVE than YOU.

Why are you judging me, Tiny?

Well it's just my TEMPORARY OPINION. I certainly cannot JUDGE YOU to burn in hell forever. This would be WAY BEYOND my authority because you see I HAVE SIN.

I believe that you've been known to speak against this a time or two. Let's see, now that would make you a hypocrite, now wouldn't it?

I guess opinions make hypocrites eh? Who do you think is worse?

-a hypocrite with a temporary opinion

-or one with permanent torture?

Did I mention that ring around your collar?

enjoy!

smaller

[beanieboy]

Originally posted by Poly
Why are you judging me, Tiny? I believe that you've been known to speak against this a time or two. Let's see, now that would make you a hypocrite, now wouldn't it?


Waaahhh. Why are you judging me, Tiny?? Boohoo.

We are doing exactly what you called us to do, you big whiny crybaby.

Now, get off your high horse, you self exalting Pharisee.

[Poly]

Originally posted by beanieboy

Waaahhh. Why are you judging me, Tiny?? Boohoo.



What I was doing is called "mocking" beanster. I realize with all the perverted disgusting acts you engage in, it causes your braincells to become dull but do try to keep up. :rolleyes:

[smaller]

ah, words of wisdom from the SINLESS one....how refreshing....

[billwald]

Dear Polly

How do you know that you are "elect?"

[beanieboy]

Because Poly is mean to other people.
If the world hates you, know that even before you the world hated me.

The more hated you are, the closer you are to God.
Isn't that right, Poly?
Hitler is sitting on the right hand of God.
Or is it the left. I get those two mixed up

[Servo]

Originally posted by beanieboy

Waaahhh. Why are you judging me, Tiny?? Boohoo.

We are doing exactly what you called us to do, you big whiny crybaby.

Now, get off your high horse, you self exalting Pharisee.

Because Poly is mean to other people.


Poly is mean.

b-boy is umm... nice?

Originally posted by beanieboy
The more hated you are, the closer you are to God.
Isn't that right, Poly?


1) The world hates God

2) Poly chooses to follow God

3) The world might end up hating Poly? Hmmm.....

Originally posted by beanieboy

Hitler is sitting on the right hand of God.
Or is it the left. I get those two mixed up

The world hated Hitler? He didn't have any followers? People didn't carry out his orders? Hitler wasn't ELECTED to office?

Hitler was on the left BTW....and not the left hand of GOD!

[Clete]

Originally posted by Poly

There are some really mean people on this board. They don't care enough about unbelievers to warn them of the destruction that awaits them. They lie to them and lead them down the wrong path saying such things as "God loves everybody".

Psalm 5:5 "...Thou hatest all workers of iniquity"
Psalm 11:5 "The Lord trieth the righteous but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hates."

Another lie they tell is that "God hates the sin but loves the sinner".
Matthew 12:35 "A good man, out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth good things and an evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth evil things."
Matthew 15:11 "What comes out of the mouth defiles a man"

I often see people say that all sins are the same. But there are some sins that God really puts extra emphasis on in showing just how much he hates it such as when He refers to homosexuality as an abomination. (Leviticus 18:21-23)

It is clear that some sins are greater than others.

John 19:11 "Therefore the one who delivered Me to you has the greater sin"

Luke 12: 46-48 "the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. 47And that servant who knew his master's will, and did not prepare himself or do according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. 48But he who did not know, yet committed things deserving of stripes, shall be beaten with few. For everyone to whom much is given, from him much will be required; and to whom much has been committed, of him they will ask the more."

Many members appear to be loving but according to Romans 12:9, they are hypocrites.

Why would some people want to be so mean? I realize that a lot of the time it is done out of ignorance but some know that they should be more bold in speaking against wickedness but being liked by others and not offending is more important to them than truth. They want to be liked by believers as well as non-believers regardless of the fact that, according to Jesus, if you follow Him you will be hated.
Matthew 10:22 "And you will be hated by all men for my name's sake."

Absolutely brilliant post Poly and a great thread! :thumb:

I hope you have your seat belt on, when I posted Bob's "Nicer than God" article, I had people declaring themselves honorary homos, joining forces with Freak, and all sorts of other insane things. This subject really gets the wicked wound up like tops!

It's not a fun subject, but the message needs to be declared from the roof tops. It is an integral part of the Gospel.
God bless you!

Resting in Him,
Clete

[philosophizer]

Originally posted by beanieboy

Karma is a boomerang.


Truth is a shotgun.

[On Fire]

Originally posted by philosophizer

Truth is a shotgun. :chuckle:

[On Fire]

Love is a battlefield.

[beanieboy]

Many christians have a blood lust.
You are no better than murderers.
And I use a small c because I think you don't represent any of the teachings in that book.

Mean enough for ya?

[philosophizer]

Originally posted by beanieboy

Many christians have a blood lust.
You are no better than murderers.
And I use a small c because I think you don't represent any of the teachings in that book.

Mean enough for ya?


Here's a simple truth:

If the teachings in "that book" are true, then a lot of people are in grave danger. And if that is true, then it would only be proper to warn them.

I'm not saying there is any one right way to do so. Some ways work on some people and not others.

But if you're, at least, thinking about what we're warning, then you'll have to either dismiss it or accept it.

If you dismiss it, then you're still in danger and we're gonna keep warning.

If you accept it, and still haven't changed course, then why? Simply for spite because you don't like our method?

[Gerald]

Originally posted by Poly
There are some really mean people on this board. They don't care enough about unbelievers to warn them of the destruction that awaits them. They lie to them and lead them down the wrong path saying such things as "God loves everybody".Then there are folks like me, who actively work to move folks along that path, telling them things like "Gods, devils, miracles, it's all bunk!":devil:
Why would some people want to be so mean? I realize that a lot of the time it is done out of ignorance but some know that they should be more bold in speaking against wickedness...Talk is cheap. A good right hook is more effective.

A tire iron is even more effective.

[Gerald]

Originally posted by beanieboy
Many christians have a blood lust.Izzat so? Where do they hang out?

I haven't run into a Christian yet who didn't scream "NOT IN THE FACE!!! NOT IN THE FACE!!!" when confronted with a real fight...

[Lucky]

Originally posted by beanieboy

Does it matter to you that Poly is a blinded, self righteous person that tries to do anything to be offensive, and in so, only exhaults herself?
You lie like a dog. Read what she says...
Originally posted by Poly

My righteousness is that of Christ alone.
Unless you're blind, then you can clearly see she has just exalted Christ, not herself.
Does it not bother you that christ told a parable about a pharisee in the temple saying, "I pray everyday, I tithe, I read scripture, and i'm so glad that I not like THAT sinner", and that christ said it was the latter (the repentent sinner) that he loved, and not the self righteous, self exhaulting follower and teacher of the law?
Just look at your own words...
Christ said it was the latter (the repentent sinner) that he loved
Bingo! You got it. Now do you honestly believe that to be true?

[beanieboy]

Originally posted by Gerald

Izzat so? Where do they hang out?

I haven't run into a Christian yet who didn't scream "NOT IN THE FACE!!! NOT IN THE FACE!!!" when confronted with a real fight...

I haven't seen many gay people wanting the government to execute christians.

[beanieboy]

Originally posted by Lucky
Bingo! You got it. Now do you honestly believe that to be true?

Do I think God loves the man who says, "I am a lonely sinner. Please have mercy on me, " more than the self righteous one who thinks they are better than others?

Yes.

Do you not agree that exhalting oneself is wrong, and to say, "I'm so glad I'm not like THAT person" makes you foul to God?

[Gerald]

Originally posted by beanieboy
I haven't seen many gay people wanting the government to execute christians. That's because the government would take too long...:chuckle:

[the Sibbie]

Great first post, Poly! :thumb:

There are many Christians and non-Christians on here that say God wants us to be always loving and tolerant of one another and never judging. But what do they say about loving God? If God hates evil and if we embrace it, is not our love toward God hypocritical? And guys like beanieboy can't understand why their lifestyle is such an offense to us.

Those of us who love God naturally desire to abhor evil. To be in true fellowship with God we would hate that which God hates. God hates wickedness and the people who act out that wickedness (i.e. people who have turned their back on God).

Another thing I realized is that in Romans 13:9 only summerizes the last five commandments into "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." But those are only the second half of the ten commandments. But what about the first half? Shouldn't loving God be the highest priority, before loving our neighbor? Moses reviews the Ten Commandments in Deuteronomy 5, then in Deuteronomy 6:5 Moses proclaims what could be considered the sum of all the Commandments "And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might."

Also we find in 1 John 2:15-17

Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.
I believe "world" means the wicked people of the world. Especially since in 1 John 2:2, "world" represents a group of people instead of just the sin of the people. And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.


Therefore servent101, beanieboy is notOriginally posted by servent101

...more of a Christian influence where he is right now, not being a Christian than you will ever be, unless you come to your senses.

[servent101]

I vote sibbie and poly as the worst offenders of the Truth here on TOL.

The truth does hurt, I know.

With Christ's Love

Servent101

[philosophizer]

Originally posted by beanieboy

Do I think God loves the man who says, "I am a lonely sinner. Please have mercy on me, " more than the self righteous one who thinks they are better than others?

Yes.

Do you not agree that exhalting oneself is wrong, and to say, "I'm so glad I'm not like THAT person" makes you foul to God?

You're kinda dancing the "meaningless dance" around the words. I'm glad I'm not a drunk. I'm glad I'm not a prostitute. I'm glad I'm not a murderer. I'm glad I'm not a rapist. None of that makes me foul to God. There's no reason why I shouldn't be glad not to be those things.

Point is, the Pharisee was not repentant at all. He was saying that he's great and there's nothing wrong with him. He was a hypocrite. He saw no reason for personal repentance while seeing it as necessary in others. That's the point: hypocracy of unrepentance. Not disgust at sin.

[beanieboy]

The Pharisees knew the law inside and out, and yet, Jesus took off his kid gloves with these people, saying that they traveled the world over to find converts, then made them twice as fit for hell as they were.

Why would Jesus say this to people who knew the law?

Because they did not know mercy, kindness, gentleness, or compassion.

I have never asked for anyone to be tolerant of me being gay.
I disagree that I am hated by God, but think what you will.

However, if you don't show kindness, mercy, gentleness, or any of the true fruits of the spirit, and have no love, you are just a loud clanging gong.

That's you, Sibbie. You are in love with your own ego, you act as if you have somehow earned salvation.

Still being mean enough, Poly? Are do you want me to turn it up?

[Lucky]

Originally posted by beanieboy

Do you not agree that exhalting oneself is wrong, and to say, "I'm so glad I'm not like THAT person" makes you foul to God?
I agree, exalting oneself would be wrong. But I've yet to see anyone exalting themself.

[smaller]

Let's examine Poly's TRUTH....

What happened to her anyway.

Where did the SINLESS one go???

Anyway THEIR version of THE TRUTH is that YOU MUST DECIDE to follow JESUS

OR

God (or possibly yourself) will TORTURE YOU ENDLESSLY IN FIRE.

Well, let's see:

If it is MY DECISION then that MAKES ME GOD right?

God apparently is ONLY ACTIVATED FOR ME upon MY DECISION, therefore I, I, I ACTIVATE God???

What kind of a GOD is that? I ACTIVATE GOD?

You mean this supposed GOD only BECOMES EFFECTIVE upon MY ACTS???

How ridiculous!

and then

IF

I DON"T ACTIVATE God,

then

God activates to BURN ME FOR ETERNITY???

For what? Failure TO ACTIVATE HIM????

What kind of NONSENSE religion is THAT????

enjoy!

smaller

[the Sibbie]

Originally posted by philosophizer

That's the point: hypocracy of unrepentance. Not disgust at sin. Great point, philo! I truly wish others like servent101 and beanieboy could see that. :shake:

[the Sibbie]

Originally posted by beanieboy

The Pharisees knew the law inside and out, and yet, Jesus took off his kid gloves with these people, saying that they traveled the world over to find converts, then made them twice as fit for hell as they were.

Why would Jesus say this to people who knew the law?

Because they did not know mercy, kindness, gentleness, or compassion.

I have never asked for anyone to be tolerant of me being gay.
I disagree that I am hated by God, but think what you will.

However, if you don't show kindness, mercy, gentleness, or any of the true fruits of the spirit, and have no love, you are just a loud clanging gong.

That's you, Sibbie. You are in love with your own ego, you act as if you have somehow earned salvation.

Still being mean enough, Poly? Are do you want me to turn it up? Beanie, sadly I'd have to say that you are the biggest hypocrite on here always trying to tell us what Jesus is like. Thanks, but I'd rather hear it straight from God's word, without your interpretations and your hack job of rightly dividing the truth. You make it sound as if you are desparate to be respected by God, yet you refuse to turn from that which He calls an abomination! Also, you try to use Scripture against those of us who warn you of your destructive folly, meanwhile you are a Buddhist who doesn't believe in Trinity and blame us of misrepresenting God.

If you are not going to obey God, it is better for you completely turn from Him than be lukewarm by misrepresenting Jesus Christ. Hot or Cold? Which is is gonna be?

If Poly and I are in any way misrepresenting the Truth, may God have mercy on our souls.

[adajos]

Poly,

Because they were repentant.

That's right---Christ called them foul names from a distance while emphasizing how they made him want to puke and repeatedly told them they were damned until they repented, and once they repented then He dined with them. (Heavy Sarcasm)

C'mon now, that's bunk. You have any evidence to substantiate your claim that He only ever associated with sinners after they repented?

You saying that I'm picking favorite verses and jumping to conclusions with them doesn't make it true. If you feel this way is it not more beneficial to explain how this is being done rather than just expecting people to believe this is the case simply because servent101 says so? Let's start here.

18"He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."

I take this verse to mean that those who do not believe in God are condemned. Please show how I am picking this verse and jumping to the conclusion I just gave.

You are misunderstanding me. Probably I didn't make myself clear. I'm not a universalist.

The point I was trying to make was that you can't find a couple of isolated verses that describe God hating sinners and instantly conclude that thus we should be hateful and derogatory towards sinners.

For every such verse you can find, I can find a verse where Christ is loving towards sinners, while still letting them know the truth of their sin.

Luke 6
34And if you lend to those from whom you expect repayment, what credit is that to you? Even 'sinners' lend to 'sinners,' expecting to be repaid in full. 35But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked. 36Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful.

So, is the Bible contradicting itself then about how we are to deal with sinners? No. I think the overall idea that should be understood is that there is a time and a place for loving sinners and a time and place for dealing with them harshly.

This is my problem with Enyarts' "Nicer Than God" stuff. He takes one aspect of Christ, the fact that He could be harsh in some circumstances, and extrapolates too much from that. He could also be kind to sinners. As a result you end up having people on this board feeling godly and righteous because they call a somebody else a disgusting queer who makes them want to puke. That's just wrong. And the worst thing is, they think that is being loving.

Christ reserved harsh judgement for all those who were unrepentant.

Matthew 10:34-36 "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth. I came not to send peace but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be of his own household."

True. Unrepentant sinners go to hell. They are judged for their acts. I agree. We are judged and we as Christians can judge in a non-hypocritical fashion.

But judging should not be done in a purposefully abrasive, self-righteous fashion except perhaps in the very rarest of cirumstances. Nor should it be done cruelly. Cases in point:

What I was doing is called "mocking" beanster. I realize with all the perverted disgusting acts you engage in, it causes your braincells to become dull but do try to keep up.

And those that continue to spit in the face of God until the day of judgment, we get to rejoice over when they get what's coming to them.

The sad thing is, you seem to have twisted your definition of love so that you feel the above kinds of statements are loving and righteous.

I'm not saying we can't judge. I'm not saying we should excuse sin. We should tell people of their sin. But that's different than calling them names and trading insults with them.

I leave you with this:

1 Thessalonians 5
14And we urge you, brothers, warn those who are idle, encourage the timid, help the weak, be patient with everyone. 15Make sure that nobody pays back wrong for wrong, but always try to be kind to each other and to everyone else

By the way, Poly, do you tell overweight people who aren't repentant that you are disgusted by their vile and disgusting sinful acts of gluttony and that you can't wait until they are condemned to hell? Perhaps calling them "fatties" and "tubs of lard" will make them repent of their sins and come to Christ. Or do you reserve this sort of behavior only for the sins you pick and choose?

[On Fire]

Originally posted by adajos
By the way, Poly, do you tell overweight people who aren't repentant that you are disgusted by their vile and disgusting sinful acts of gluttony and that you can't wait until they are condemned to hell? Perhaps calling them "fatties" and "tubs of lard" will make them repent of their sings and come to Christ. Or do you reserve this sort of behavior only for the sins you pick and choose?

Is the fat tub of lard posting lies on a weight watchers forum? Do they refuse to see that weighing 500lbs is nothealthy physically or spiritually? Do they call people who are successfully losing weight "healthy wannabes"?

[adajos]

Lucky,

I agree, exalting oneself would be wrong. But I've yet to see anyone exalting themself.

How's this for such an instance of that by Poly on this thread:

And those that continue to spit in the face of God until the day of judgment, we get to rejoice over when they get what's coming to them.

Keeping in mind the defintion of exalt from dictionary.com:

ex·alt ( P ) Pronunciation Key (g-zôlt)
tr.v. ex·alt·ed, ex·alt·ing, ex·alts
To raise in rank, character, or status; elevate

If she's not elevating herself over others with a sentence like that, I don't know what she's doing.

Whatever happened to the attitude "But for the grace of God, there go I"??

[On Fire]

Originally posted by adajos
Whatever happened to the attitude "But for the grace of God, there go I"??

Stick around here long enough and you too will be able to discern the innocent seekers from the blasphemers.

[adajos]

Is the fat tub of lard posting lies on a weight watchers forum? Do they refuse to see that weighing 500lbs is nothealthy physically or spiritually? Do they call people who are successfully losing weight "healthy wannabes"?

What's your point?

I'm not going to go back and forth with insulting one-line posts with you.

[smaller]

In "supposed christianity" why are sinners always referred to as THEM and not THEMSELVES???

[Nineveh]

Originally posted by Sibbie

Beanie, sadly I'd have to say that you are the biggest hypocrite on here always trying to tell us what Jesus is like. Thanks, but I'd rather hear it straight from God's word, without your interpretations and your hack job of rightly dividing the truth. You make it sound as if you are desparate to be loved by God, yet you refuse to turn from that which He calls an abomination! Also, you try to use Scripture against those of us who warn you of your destructive folly, meanwhile you are a Hindu who doesn't believe in Trinity and blame us of misrepresenting God.

If you are not going to obey God, it is better for you completely turn from Him than be lukewarm by misrepresenting Jesus Christ. Hot or Cold? Which is is gonna be?

If Poly and I are in any way misrepresenting the Truth, may God have mercy on our souls.

Thought this needed repeated...

[Poly]

Originally posted by smaller

Let's examine Poly's TRUTH....

What happened to her anyway.

Where did the SINLESS one go???


Newsflash! I sometimes have more important things to do than to try and straighten you out such as take care of my family.

Stop implying that I've said something that I haven't.

Smaller, you said
Originally posted by smaller
When you have ERADICATED SIN from YOURSELF perhaps you would have a point but of course that has not happened yet so whatever...

To which I responded
Originally posted by Poly
Christ on the other hand says that by accepting Him my sins are eradicated.
I say this in accordance to the following:

Romans 5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man's obedience many will be made righteous.

2 Corinthians 5:21 For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

Not by anything I've done but by believing on the only one worthy enough to be the sacrifice that is able to eradicate my sin, I am made righteous to God.

You mean this supposed GOD only BECOMES EFFECTIVE upon MY ACTS???
How ridiculous



Oh really? God seems to think otherwise. I'll go over this real slow like for ya.

Acts 16:31 "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, (this is the "MY ACTS" part you refered to) and you will be saved...."(and this is where "GOD BECOMES EFFECTIVE")
Let's go over this again.

Romans 10:9
"that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead,("MY ACTS") you will be saved.(GOD BECOMING EFFECTIVE)


IF

I DON"T ACTIVATE God,
then

God activates to BURN ME FOR ETERNITY???

"Activate God"? believe in God is a better way to put it.


enjoy!
The only thing one can enjoy about your posts is ripping them to shreds

[On Fire]

Originally posted by adajos

What's your point?

I'm not going to go back and forth with insulting one-line posts with you.

Gotcha. If you can't stand the heat....

[beanieboy]

Originally posted by Lucky

I agree, exalting oneself would be wrong. But I've yet to see anyone exalting themself.

Then you may be blind yourself.

[Cyrus of Persia]

Originally posted by Gerald

Talk is cheap. A good right hook is more effective.

A tire iron is even more effective.

Good point. One Christian actually wanted to fight with me in real and wished me painful death just yesterday in those forums. So, yes, the best way is just to kill those who oppose your views :chuckle:

[Chileice]

WOW!!!! I was wondering what to do for my upcoming birthday. Now I know!!! I'll invite Poly and Sozo and Beanie and Smaller all over for a love-in. Haven't had one of those since the late 60s. And then (just in case) I'll invite 10 of the city's finest (police officers) just in case the LOVE is just a little too hot to handle.

Hate disguised as love. And you wonder how the triunfal entry happened one week before the crucifixion. The next time I hear people tell me they are being loving by abusing someone verbally and psychologically I think I'll vomit. And I hope Poly's there to clean the vomit up.

[beanieboy]

Originally posted by Sibbie

Great point, philo! I truly wish others like servent101 and beanieboy could see that. :shake:


I have yet to see you apologize or repent once for your arrogant offensive behavior, and you are a believer.

Go figur'.

[smaller]

Greetings Poly, Activator of THE MOST HIGH GOD, O Sinless One....

Newsflash! I sometimes have more important things to do than to try and straighten out your stubborn and continuous pathetic way of thinking such as take care of my family.
Stop implying that I've said something that I haven't.

ha!

You DODGE with the best of 'em Poly!

I believe we have a NEW TERM....

SALVATION BY DODGING THE WORD....

Smaller, you said

quote:
Originally posted by smaller
When you have ERADICATED SIN from YOURSELF perhaps you would have a point but of course that has not happened yet so whatever...

To which I responded

quote:
Originally posted by Poly
Christ on the other hand says that by accepting Him my sins are eradicated.


I say this in accordance to the following:

Romans 5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man's obedience many will be made righteous.

2 Corinthians 5:21 For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

Not by anything I've done but by believing on the only one worthy enough to be the sacrifice that is able to eradicate my sin, I am made righteous to God.

I see O SINLESS ONE....I see. You have ACTIVATED THE SECRET INGREDIENTS required to ERADICATE your SINS....

How proud you must be...how proud.

Is this what led John to write this?

"WE CANNOT SAY WE HAVE NO SIN or WE DECEIVE OURSELVES and THE TRUTH IS not in us."

I know SINLESS ONES hate this question.

btw, did you MARK YOUR CALENDAR on WHAT DATE and TIME you ERADICATED your SINS, you know, in case GOD NEEDS TO CHECK it out???

quote:
You mean this supposed GOD only BECOMES EFFECTIVE upon MY ACTS???
How ridiculous

Oh really? God seems to thing otherwise. I'll go over this real slow like for ya.

Acts 16:31 "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, (this is the "MY ACTS" part you refered to) and you will be saved...."(and this is where "GOD BECOMES EFFECTIVE")
Let's go over this again.

Romans 10:9
"that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead,("MY ACTS" you will be saved.(GOD BECOMING EFFECTIVE)

I see. Well God must be VERY ACTIVE in YOUR CASE. Was this a ONE TIME activation or an OFT REPEATED thing.

I guess since you DO NOT SIN and have had it ERADICATED this would be a moot point eh?

Was that SIN REMOVAL a surgical procedure??? Did you like, have to CHECK INTO a hospital or something?


quote from smaller:

IF

I DON"T ACTIVATE God,
then

God activates to BURN ME FOR ETERNITY???

"Activate God"? believe in God is a better way to put it.

That would be "believe in" like "believe in" the tooth fairy? Does this ACTIVATE the tooth fairy as well Mom?

The only thing one can enjoy about your posts is ripping them to shreds

Keep up the good work. It is quite ENTERTAINING....believe me. I feel so ripped...;) I think I have been violated!

enjoy!

smaller

[Cyrus of Persia]

Originally posted by adajos

By the way, Poly, do you tell overweight people who aren't repentant that you are disgusted by their vile and disgusting sinful acts of gluttony and that you can't wait until they are condemned to hell? Perhaps calling them "fatties" and "tubs of lard" will make them repent of their sins and come to Christ. Or do you reserve this sort of behavior only for the sins you pick and choose?

Excellent point! :thumb:

[beanieboy]

Originally posted by Chileice

WOW!!!! I was wondering what to do for my upcoming birthday. Now I know!!! I'll invite Poly and Sozo and Beanie and Smaller all over for a love-in. Haven't had one of those since the late 60s. And then (just in case) I'll invite 10 of the city's finest (police officers) just in case the LOVE is just a little too hot to handle.

Hate disguised as love. And you wonder how the triunfal entry happened one week before the crucifixion. The next time I hear people tell me they are being loving by abusing someone verbally and psychologically I think I'll vomit. And I hope Poly's there to clean the vomit up.

:thumb:

[Poly]

Originally posted by servent101

I vote sibbie and poly as the worst offenders of the Truth here on TOL.

The truth does hurt, I know.

With Christ's Love

Servent101
Alright! Did ya see this sibbie? Oh and did you notice that servent accidentally put "offenders". We know that he/she must have meant to put "defenders" since we know that servent would never say anything bad or judge anybody.

Hey Sibbie, let's start a club! We could call it "W.H.A.K". "Women hating all corruption".
We certainly have enough on this board who need a good WHAK!!!

[the Sibbie]

Originally posted by beanieboy

I have yet to see you apologize or repent once for your arrogant offensive behavior, and you are a believer.

Go figur'. :confused: How am I being arrogant? For wishing that you would repent and come to know Jesus as your Lord and Savior? My "behavior" is only offensive because Jesus is the "Rock of Offense". So I could apologize, but it would mean nothing, so I won't do it. :nono:

[smaller]

Sibbie, have you and Poly BOTH activated GOD and became SINLESS?

[Nineveh]

For crying out loud smaller, you are more concerned with judging Poly than with judging beanieboy's homoism. Even if you are right and no one goes to hell, the least you could do is try to get beanieboy out of his distructive deathstyle. Paul said: What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? By no means!

Prioritize.

[smaller]

Step on up to the SINLESS plate GRAnite...(sorry, I meant NINevah)

It seems to be a GROWING CLUB (pun intended)

[smaller]

The salvation that God offers doesn't require any works on our part, except

you guys are SO funny....really....

[philosophizer]

Originally posted by Nineveh

For crying out loud smaller, you are more concerned with judging Poly than with judging beanieboy's homoism. Even if you are right and no one goes to hell, the least you could do is try to get beanieboy out of his distructive deathstyle. Paul said: What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? By no means!

Prioritize.


Well said. :up:

[Poly]

Smaller what does "believe in God" mean to you?

[smaller]

Well, let'see. I guess I have to MAKE MYSELF sinless....

ACTIVATE the MOST HIGH GOD....

and, and...

oh yeah, LOVE MY NEIGHBORS AS MYSELF by telling them if they do not MAKE THEMSELVES SINLESS and ACTIVATE THE MOST HIGH GOD, then THEY WILL FRY LIKE AN ETERNAL WEINER on a SPIT.

Did I miss anything O Sinless God Activator???

[beanieboy]

Originally posted by Nineveh

For crying out loud smaller, you are more concerned with judging Poly than with judging beanieboy's homoism. Even if you are right and no one goes to hell, the least you could do is try to get beanieboy out of his distructive deathstyle. Paul said: What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? By no means!

Prioritize.

Wahhhhhh! Stop judging Powy. She wants to judge udder people but not to be judged. Wahhhhhh.

More, your highness?

[the Sibbie]

Originally posted by Poly

Alright! Did ya see this sibbie? Oh and did you notice that servent accidentally put "offenders". We know that he/she must have meant to put "defenders" since we know that servent would never say anything bad or judge anybody.

Hey Sibbie, let's start a club! We could call it "W.H.A.K". "Women hating all corruption".
We certainly have enough on this board who need a good WHAK!!! :darwinsm: Sounds like a grand idea, Poly! :D

[the Sibbie]

Originally posted by Nineveh

For crying out loud smaller, you are more concerned with judging Poly than with judging beanieboy's homoism. Even if you are right and no one goes to hell, the least you could do is try to get beanieboy out of his distructive deathstyle. Paul said: What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? By no means!

Prioritize. I agree with philo! Great point Nineveh!:up:

[beanieboy]

Gee, Poly, can I be an your self righteous unrepentant Christian club too??

Wahhhhhhhh!

Is this what you are wanting, Poly?

By the way, I you overweight?
Gluttonly, you know.
Want to know if I can start with the name calling...

[Poly]

Originally posted by smaller

Well, let'see. I guess I have to MAKE MYSELF sinless....

ACTIVATE the MOST HIGH GOD....

and, and...

oh yeah, LOVE MY NEIGHBORS AS MYSELF by telling them if they do not MAKE THEMSELVES SINLESS and ACTIVATE THE MOST HIGH GOD, then THEY WILL FRY LIKE AN ETERNAL WEINER on a SPIT.



Are you that afraid to give a true answer to a reasonable question? Come on, what do YOU think it means to "believe in God"?

[smaller]

Oh, I think the POINT is becoming quite clear Sibbie and Poly....O Sinless Activators of the Most High God...

this is really too much fun for FREE...

Can I set up a GATE somewhere to charge people to see the CHRISTIAN CLOWNS???

[Poly]

Ok, smaller, you've totally lost it. I now remember why I rarely ever respond to anything you post. I prefer conversations with people having more than just a couple of braincells firing.

[beanieboy]

:cry:

All you do is whine.
Geez, what a baby.

Mean enough, or do should I be getting more mean, cause I love you?

[Aimiel]

The salvation that God offers doesn't require any works on our part, except an expression of our faith, which, too, is from Him, as is the salvation. We aren't any better than the lost, by virtue of being saved, merely chosen. It is The Lord Who finds us 'guiltless,' by virtue of reception of His Son's Blood, as the payment for our sin. We have paid our debt to sin (death) because Jesus died in our place, if we have faith in Him. That faith is not our own, but The Lord has given it to us. There is no one who can lay anything to the charge of one of God's elect, because He has wiped our account of that sin, and we don't owe on it anymore. He looks at us as if we have never sinned. Our friends (as well as ourselves) often have a hard time forgetting that 'sin nature' that used to be our taskmaster, but our enemies make it their full-time job trying to accuse us of sin and cause us to doubt our salvation. We try to cause them to step out of their lifestyle that leads to death and hell, by loving them enough to tell them the truth, even though they hate us enough to tell us lies to try to cause us to fall back to what we used to walk in. Lord have mercy on us all.

[adajos]

I would like to see Poly, Sibbie, or Lucky respond to post 50 and 52 on this thread. They got lost in the flood of posts.

[smaller]

well me being a SINFUL person who CAN'T activate The Most High God and who doesn't think LOVE=Save yourself from God or BURN FOREVER like you and Sibbie and MAYbe NINeah if she decides to join your CLUB are just not on YOUR level of communication???

Could this be the problem???

[Chileice]

Originally posted by beanieboy

:cry:

All you do is whine.
Geez, what a baby.

Mean enough, or do should I be getting more mean, cause I love you?


Got a better idea:
I'm going to share some positive alternatives.

1. --Remeber God made every person that exists.:thumb:

[Chileice]

Originally posted by Chileice

Got a better idea:
I'm going to share some positive alternatives.

1. --Remeber God made every person that exists.:thumb:


I ought to accept myself and my neighbour.

I am NOT the centre of the universe. The world would keep spinning without me:cool:

[beanieboy]

Originally posted by Chileice

Got a better idea:
I'm going to share some positive alternatives.

1. --Remeber God made every person that exists.:thumb:

Whaoooooooooooooooooo.

Are you saying that Poly is wrong, and that one should, oh, I don't know, try to love their neighbor as themself?

The thread suggests that those people are mamby pamby christians hand holding people all the way to hell.

Are you saying that Poly's christian approach is (gasp) faulty?

(btw, totally agree with you. Then again, I'm a Buddhist and going to burn in hell, so...)

[Chileice]

Originally posted by Chileice

I ought to accept myself and my neighbour.

I am NOT the centre of the universe. The world would keep spinning without me:cool:

It takes the totality of believers for us to understand the love, grace, mercy, justice and incredible infinitude of our heavenly Father.:Princess:

[Chileice]

Originally posted by Chileice

It takes the totality of believers for us to understand the love, grace, mercy, justice and incredible infinitude of our heavenly Father.:Princess:

I need to take advantage of the knowledge that others have without taking advantage of them as people.

[smaller]

I'm sorry AIMiel

I just couldn't get past the except the last time...


The salvation that God offers doesn't require any works on our part, except an expression of our faith, which, too, is from Him, as is the salvation.

You know AIMiel, this is the first HONEST statement I have seen you come up with. Very very good. Are you turning to Calvinism now?
[quote]
We aren't any better than the lost, by virtue of being saved, merely chosen.

Again very good. I am sorry for not seeing this sooner. There is HOPE for AIMiel.

You know I can't imagine beanieboy, being what he is and all, being CHOSEN by God to HEAR and UNDERSTAND, yet he has the greater predicament having been called from THAT position (no pun intended)

I don't think too many of his worldly compatriots would understand his calling but he has it nonetheless.

Do you think this CALLING upon him is to DAMN HIS FELLOW SINNERS to BURN IN HELL or to REPRESENT God's Love even to THEM?

It is The Lord Who finds us 'guiltless,' by virtue of reception of His Son's Blood, as the payment for our sin. We have paid our debt to sin (death) because Jesus died in our place, if we have faith in Him. That faith is not our own, but The Lord has given it to us. There is no one who can lay anything to the charge of one of God's elect, because He has wiped our account of that sin, and we don't owe on it anymore. He looks at us as if we have never sinned. Our friends (as well as ourselves) often have a hard time forgetting that 'sin nature' that used to be our taskmaster, but our enemies make it their full-time job trying to accuse us of sin and cause us to doubt our salvation. We try to cause them to step out of their lifestyle that leads to death and hell, by loving them enough to tell them the truth, even though they hate us enough to tell us lies to try to cause us to fall back to what we used to walk in. Lord have mercy on us all.

You see AIMiel, I do not think that I am better than anyone else. Paul called himself the CHIEF of SINNERS. He NEVER called himself SINless. He KNEW that SIN INDWELT HIM and that EVIL was still PRESENT WITH HIM EVEN after he came to KNOW CHRIST. Paul even had a MESSENGER of SATAN in his own flesh just to KEEP HIM WEAK.

You see it is WHEN WE ARE WEAK that we are STRONG.

Does SIN still occupy our flesh? Of course it does. Who are we kidding?

What does SIN have to do with THE LOVE OF GOD TO ALL PEOPLE???

Nothing. Absolutely NOTHING.

In FACT....

"where SIN ABOUNDS grace does MUCH MORE abound." (from Rom.)

No SIN will make the BLOOD OF CHRIST of NO EFFECT. Never has, never will.

Not only that but it is just PLAIN WRONG to use SIN as an excuse TO NOT LOVE another person as WHILE WE WERE YET ENEMIES, Christ died FOR US eh?

What makes us think Christ DID NOT DIE for His OTHER enemies??? Or does Christ ONLY LOVE His friends???

No. Christ LOVES even HIS enemies. He advises us to DO THAT as well.

Love is MORE than just saying to another person BELIEVE GOD and SAVE YOURSELF FROM HIM or BURN IN HELL forever. I simply REFUSE to believe that THIS IS LOVE. It is NOT! READ what LOVE IS in 1 Cor. 13 and you WILL NOT FIND THAT as a description.

It is ONLY THE LOVE OF GOD to us that LEADS US to LIVE a "better life." It is BETTER because of HIS LOVE to ALL

...and this GOD/AGAPE LOVE is not FICKLE changing JUDGMENTAL love like the love of Poly and Sibbie and NINevah...or yours or mine...

enjoy!

smaller

[Chileice]

Originally posted by Chileice

I need to take advantage of the knowledge that others have without taking advantage of them as people.

I can`t worry about the way others live their lives. I need to worry about how I live my life before God and others. I need to do what pleases God even if others disapprove.

Pretending is not the same as being.

[Chileice]

Originally posted by Chileice

I can`t worry about the way others live their lives. I need to worry about how I live my life before God and others. I need to do what pleases God even if others disapprove.

Pretending is not the same as being.

If I work for the Lord without worrying about who will get the credit... the Lord will be glorified and will receive honour and glory and His kingdom (not mine) will grow.:jump:

[Chileice]

Originally posted by Chileice

If I work for the Lord without worrying about who will get the credit... the Lord will be glorified and will receive honour and glory and His kingdom (not mine) will grow.:jump:

The Golden Rule applies as much to me as it does to Sibbie or Poly or Smaller or anyone else including the murderer up for parole.:think:

[Chileice]

Originally posted by Chileice

The Golden Rule applies as much to me as it does to Sibbie or Poly or Smaller or anyone else including the murderer up for parole.:think:

Courtesy will open doors; Kindness will win me friends. Truth, spoken in LOVE, will help preserve them.

A real friend knows how to confront without attacking.

Don`t look to be offended, but don't look to offend. The world already has enough problems without inventing new ones.:cool:

[Chileice]

Originally posted by Chileice

Courtesy will open doors; Kindness will win me friends. Truth, spoken in LOVE, will help preserve them.

A real friend knows how to confront without attacking.

Don`t look to be offended, but don't look to offend. The world already has enough problems without inventing new ones.:cool:

Ask forgiveness.

Forgive me for getting snarky earlier on this post. The environment got the best of me, but I am still responsible for my actions... so please forgive me.

And... Forgive (a hundred times if you have to)... just like your Saviour has to do for you.;)

[Chileice]

Originally posted by Chileice

Ask forgiveness.

Forgive me for getting snarky earlier on this post. The environment got the best of me, but I am still responsible for my actions... so please forgive me.

And... Forgive (a hundred times if you have to)... just like your Saviour has to do for you.;)

Treat others with respect: their ideas, their beliefs, their opinions, their customs, their politics, their work and their family.

i.e. be nice:kiss:

[Chileice]

Originally posted by Chileice

Treat others with respect: their ideas, their beliefs, their opinions, their customs, their politics, their work and their family.

i.e. be nice:kiss:

Recognize that you can`t possibly please everyone... but as far as it depends on YOU... be at peace with all men. I stole that from Paul.

[Chileice]

Originally posted by Chileice

Recognize that you can`t possibly please everyone... but as far as it depends on YOU... be at peace with all men. I stole that from Paul.

Keep your accounts clear:

Don't borrow money you can't pay back,
Don't make promises you can't keep,
Don't make threats you aren't going to follow through with.:nono:

[beanieboy]

Dude, take my bike helmet. They are going to pound you like mashed potatoes. The perverted "Nicer than God" is on it's way.

God killed people. Are you nicer than God? How many heathen have you killed?

That's basically the feel of it.

Jesus called people dogs and swine. So call fat chicks cows and wide load.

It's creepy.
All in the name of Go-wad.

[beanieboy]

btw - very good suggestions.

[ShadowMaid]

Woohooo!! :bannana:

I think Poly and Sibbie are heading to the top of my "Example List!" :bannana:

[Chileice]

Originally posted by Chileice

Keep your accounts clear:

Don't borrow money you can't pay back,
Don't make promises you can't keep,
Don't make threats you aren't going to follow through with.:nono:


Life is faaaar tooo short to fill it with hatred.

A young boy, ten years old, lies on life support.

His brain is dead.

His parents wanted nothing to do with our Christianity, but he accepted Christ in front of our house when my wife shared with him about Jesus about a year ago. Last Sunday he was singing at church (we don't go to that church, we moved to another city) and his teacher said he was singing so loud and so happy to know Jesus.

Yesterday he had a cerebral hemmorage and the doctors did emergency surgery but now he is dead. When the pull the life support, we will drive four hours to the funeral and we will hug his mom and dad and shed tears with them and love them and cry with them. We will not tell them what evil sinners they are or tell them they are going to hell. We won't because we love them.

We WANT them to come to know the Saviour their boy is now with. Can you understand what I am trying to say? Does anyone get it? Had we cursed them or forsaken them we would have no opportunity to minister to them. Life is SOOOOOO short. Why spend it in hatred? I hope at least one person will go away from this thread with a new attitude. O God, I pray.

[smaller]

Oh look! Another member of the SINLESS GOD ACTIVATOR club!

[Lucky]

Originally posted by adajos

I would like to see Poly, Sibbie, or Lucky respond to post 50 and 52 on this thread. They got lost in the flood of posts.
I'll start working on the responses. :cattyfan:

[Lucky]

Originally posted by adajos

By the way, Poly, do you tell overweight people who aren't repentant that you are disgusted by their vile and disgusting sinful acts of gluttony and that you can't wait until they are condemned to hell? Perhaps calling them "fatties" and "tubs of lard" will make them repent of their sins and come to Christ. Or do you reserve this sort of behavior only for the sins you pick and choose?
Adajos, I think your post (#50 (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=516747#post516747)) is at least worthy of a response from who it was addressed to. I'm really not sure if I disagree that much to attack it dead on. Balance is good.

I'd especially like to see what Poly's response to the above excerpt will be.

[Poly]

Originally posted by adajos

Poly,

That's right---Christ called them foul names from a distance while emphasizing how they made him want to puke and repeatedly told them they were damned until they repented, and once they repented then He dined with them. (Heavy Sarcasm)

C'mon now, that's bunk. You have any evidence to substantiate your claim that He only ever associated with sinners after they repented?

Did Zacheus continue to take more taxes than he should? No, he went around paying people what he owed and then some.

Jesus told Mary Magdelene to "Go and sin no more". Apparently it was important to Him that she repent. Was she repentant? Do you really think that one who isn't repentant, blatently continuing in her perversions, is going to have the audacity to sit at the feet of Jesus, washing them with her tears? Tears come with repentance.
Originally posted by adajos

By the way, Poly, do you tell overweight people who aren't repentant that you are disgusted by their vile and disgusting sinful acts of gluttony and that you can't wait until they are condemned to hell? Perhaps calling them "fatties" and "tubs of lard" will make them repent of their sins and come to Christ. Or do you reserve this sort of behavior only for the sins you pick and choose?
If one is a glutton, and has the kind of haughty and proud spirit toward God as most homos do, hating Him and responding in such a manner as "I don't care what God says about taking care of my body. I know better than He does. There's nothing wrong with being a glutton no matter what God says." then yes, this person needs to be shown that he is wrong and should repent of his attitude.
Are overweight people proud of this? Do they flaunt it in the face of God? No
The same, usually, cannot be said of a homosexual.

[adajos]

Poly,

Did Zacheus continue to take more taxes than he should? No, he went around paying people what he owed and then some.

I don't remember Christ calling Zaccheus derogatory names prior to his repentance however. Or talking about how much he disgusted him.

Jesus told Mary Magdelene to "Go and sin no more". Apparently it was important to Him that she repent. Was she repentant? Do you really think that one who isn't repentant, blatently continuing in her perversions, is going to have the audacity to sit at the feet of Jesus, washing them with her tears? Tears come with repentance.

Of course repentance is important. What evidence have you that she already had repented and thus Christ treated her lovingly rather than that Christ treated her lovingly and then she repented? You can't know which it was.

What say you to this:

Matthew 9:9-12
9As Jesus went on from there, he saw a man named Matthew sitting at the tax collector's booth. "Follow me," he told him, and Matthew got up and followed him.
10While Jesus was having dinner at Matthew's house, many tax collectors and "sinners" came and ate with him and his disciples. 11When the Pharisees saw this, they asked his disciples, "Why does your teacher eat with tax collectors and 'sinners'?"
12On hearing this, Jesus said, "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. 13But go and learn what this means: 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.'[1] For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners."

So what evidence do you have from this passage that Matthew repented prior to Jesus dining with him at his house?

If Matthew and the tax collectors were already repentant, then they were no longer "sick and in need of a doctor" as Jesus described them.

You can try to explain away Christ's association with sinners all you want, but the fact of the matter is that He did, and they weren't always repentant prior to His association with them.

If one is a glutton, and has the kind of haughty and proud spirit toward God as most homos do, hating Him and responding in such a manner as "I don't care what God says about taking care of my body. I know better than He does. There's nothing wrong with being a glutton no matter what God says." then yes, this person needs to be shown that he is wrong and should repent of his attitude.
Are overweight people proud of this? Do they flaunt it in the face of God? No
The same, usually, cannot be said of a homosexual.

As Greg Boyd said in church this past Sunday, "All sin misses the mark". In other words, all sin is implictly an act of pride. You put yourself above God's rules. Gluttons are rebelling against God's rules as surely as homosexuals. Every time they bring their fork to their mouth they are rubbing their sin in God's face (to borrow your terminology, Poly).

So you're talking about arbitrary degrees of pridefulness between homosexuals and gluttons that is found nowhere in the Bible. Those random degrees of pridefulness that you have thought up doesn't give you the go-ahead to treat one group like filth and coddle the other group.

Just to let everyone know I'm not advocating treating gluttons or homosexuals like dirt. I'm demontrating absurdity by being absurd.

[okinrus]

Poly, wickedness is loving sin, even reaching for sin; where as the term sinner can mean someone who sins but tries not to. The term "sitill in their sins" can apply to a sinner who is enslaved unwillingly into his own sins, while wickedness is willful cooperation with Evil. Note also that wickedness generally creeps upon those who are still in their sins through pride, and those who are still in their sins are in danger. But by being too harsh on homosexuals, you may be only further inducing other sins such as anger brought by feelings of inferiority and further separation from people who are within Christ.

Many homosexuals, I think, are not wicked but trapped by lust. Lust can be defeated by love, and the family, but expecting homosexuals to replace Lust with emptyness and hollow threats will be self-defeating.

[Lighthouse]

Originally posted by Lucky

Does it really matter to you? It's not like you would actually change your ways if someone told you "God is love" and "God loves sinners." (Who would?) Excuses, excuses, excuses...
I told him. Guess what? He ignored me.

[Lighthouse]

beanieboy-
You are not a repentant sinner. You have no room to talk. So, shut up!

[Lighthouse]

Originally posted by Gerald

Izzat so? Where do they hang out?

I haven't run into a Christian yet who didn't scream "NOT IN THE FACE!!! NOT IN THE FACE!!!" when confronted with a real fight...
Maybe you shoud try running into me, sometime. If you're going to hit me, I don't care where you hit me, just as long as you understand you're going to get hit, too.

[firechyld]

Oooh, the boys are being tough... :rolleyes:

[Cyrus of Persia]

Originally posted by lighthouse

beanieboy-
You are not a repentant sinner. You have no room to talk. So, shut up!

Neither are you repentant sinner. Thanks for your confessions in those boards we read that you still struggle with your sins. So either shut up! or let the other sinners to speak too!

Nuff said!

[philosophizer]

Originally posted by Cyrus of Persia

Neither are you repentant sinner. Thanks for your confessions in those boards we read that you still struggle with your sins. So either shut up! or let the other sinners to speak too!

Nuff said!

There's a difference between struggling and not repenting.

[philosophizer]

Originally posted by Poly
Jesus told Mary Magdelene to "Go and sin no more".

Whoa, careful Poly! It doesn't say anywhere that the woman in that chapter was Mary Magdelene.

[Poly]

Originally posted by philosophizer

Whoa, careful Poly! It doesn't say anywhere that the woman in that chapter was Mary Magdelene.
oops! My bad! :thumb:

Ok, the "woman" :o :D

[Nineveh]

If Poly is judging wrongly, she will answer to the same God beanieboy will. The difference is, she has the covering of Christ and can stand before the Mighty and Righteous God. Beanieboy has only his works to cover himself with. An unrepentant homosexual covered in his abominations vs a repentant follower of Christ, so tell me folks, which shoes would you rather be in on that day?

: tries on Poly's shoes:

What does beanieboy want? To be left alone in his sin at best, to shut up the Gospel at worst. What does Poly want? To see beanieboy look to Christ for his righteousness.

Righteousness:
1. acting in accord with divine or moral law : free from guilt or sin

Poly fits that definition, she has chosen Christ, who is the Only One who can impart righteousness to sinners and cleans them by His blood.

Definition 2. a : morally right or justifiable

This is where those who are still steeped in sin fall into the definition. They are often found twisting the Righteous Ways of God to fit their world view and "justify" their own sin by their own "moral standard".

So in reality, those who defy the Word of God in favor of their own justification for sin are the self righteous among us, while those who seek Jesus Christ are justified by Him alone.

There are only two options:
1. The Law convicts and shows a need for repentance.
2. The Law is twisted to avoid being convicted and negating the need to repent.

If you decide on option 2, you have chosen to live under the law you are breaking and will be judged by, you have chosen your own self righteousness. Nice? No, I can't see anything nice about it, but that is the reality.

[CryTears]

Originally posted by Poly

There are some really mean people on this board. They don't care enough about unbelievers to warn them of the destruction that awaits them. They lie to them and lead them down the wrong path saying such things as "God loves everybody".

Psalm 5:5 "...Thou hatest all workers of iniquity"
Psalm 11:5 "The Lord trieth the righteous but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hates."

Another lie they tell is that "God hates the sin but loves the sinner".
Matthew 12:35 "A good man, out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth good things and an evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth evil things."
Matthew 15:11 "What comes out of the mouth defiles a man"

I often see people say that all sins are the same. But there are some sins that God really puts extra emphasis on in showing just how much he hates it such as when He refers to homosexuality as an abomination. (Leviticus 18:21-23)

It is clear that some sins are greater than others.

John 19:11 "Therefore the one who delivered Me to you has the greater sin"

Luke 12: 46-48 "the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. 47And that servant who knew his master's will, and did not prepare himself or do according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. 48But he who did not know, yet committed things deserving of stripes, shall be beaten with few. For everyone to whom much is given, from him much will be required; and to whom much has been committed, of him they will ask the more."

Many members appear to be loving but according to Romans 12:9, they are hypocrites.

Why would some people want to be so mean? I realize that a lot of the time it is done out of ignorance but some know that they should be more bold in speaking against wickedness but being liked by others and not offending is more important to them than truth. They want to be liked by believers as well as non-believers regardless of the fact that, according to Jesus, if you follow Him you will be hated.
Matthew 10:22 "And you will be hated by all men for my name's sake."

This post is similar to a big wide Spring Wind on a sunny day.
All the debris is carried away and the field is left with the pretty wheat. A spring cleaning, fresh.
Some people would give their kids milk money away just to be "nice".

[smaller]

Greetings Nin

If Poly is judging wrongly, she will answer to the same God beanieboy will. The difference is, she has the covering of Christ and can stand before the Mighty and Righteous God. Beanieboy has only his works to cover himself with. An unrepentant homosexual covered in his abominations vs a repentant follower of Christ, so tell me folks, which shoes would you rather be in on that day?

Well of course. Poly is sinless. It is MUCH EASIER for her to STAND ON HER OWN righteousness eh?

Hating beaieboy is WHAT GOD COMMANDS right?

: tries on Poly's shoes:

How bout's joins Poly's SINLESS GOD ACTIVATORS CLUB?

What does beanieboy want? To be left alone in his sin at best, to shut up the Gospel at worst. What does Poly want? To see beanieboy look to Christ for his righteousness.

Well isn't that the TRUTH...

Righteousness:
1. acting in accord with divine or moral law : free from guilt or sin

Poly fits that definition, she has chosen Christ, who is the Only One who can impart righteousness to sinners and cleans them by His blood.

Why of COURSE. Poly has INITIATED and EFFECTUATED the SPIRIT of the LIVING GOD who of course without POLY'S HELP is COMPLETELY WORTHLESS.

Definition 2. a : morally right or justifiable

This is where those who are still steeped in sin fall into the definition. They are often found twisting the Righteous Ways of God to fit their world view and "justify" their own sin by their own "moral standard".

And we know that POLY's righteousness is FAR ABOVE that of any common homosexual.

So in reality, those who defy the Word of God in favor of their own justification for sin are the self righteous among us, while those who seek Jesus Christ are justified by Him alone.

Well of course. These later like YOU and POLY have been successful in TOTALLY ERADICATING your sins by YOUR ACTIVATING of the MOST HIGH God. This has resulted in your SINS being completely TAKEN AWAY, never to be heard from again.

There are only two options:
1. The Law convicts and shows a need for repentance.
2. The Law is twisted to avoid being convicted and negating the need to repent.

Well we know for a CERTAINTY that the SINLESS ONES are KEEPING THE LAW in every single jot and tittle. How proud you must be of your "achievements."

If you decide on option 2, you have chosen to live under the law you are breaking and will be judged by, you have chosen your own self righteousness. Nice? No, I can't see anything nice about it, but that is the reality.

Yes you HEATHEN. Activate God and BECOME SINLESS today. What is WRONG with you.

enjoy!

smaller

[beanieboy]

It's rather interesting that I don't start threads about homosexuality. christians do. And then when I respond, I am attacked.

And you are surprised that I would respond?

It's a trap. It's dishonest, really. It's on countless threads, and from what I see on TOL, should make up at least 30% of the Bible.

But why stop by condemning homosexuals? Why not go threaten people going to temple? They don't acknowledge Jesus as the Son of God, the unrepentant sinners! Are people who are Muslim? Scream in their face. Very effective. And hindis? Tell them they are going to hell, and then add a couple of "well, y'are"s to it. Very effective. Stand outside of bars, and yell, "Drunkards! Unrepentant drunkards!" I'm sure it will make you feel superior.

Yesterday, I decided to try out the Poly method.
Be a jerk to people, mock them, respond with "Wahhhh, Baby want her bottle" to see how effective it was.

The result?
Poly got angry.
She stopped responding.
She got defensive.

So, the "being mean because I love you" approach can sometimes actually build more walls than bridges. And it isn't Christ-like.

Christ told the rich man to go and sell all he had and follow him. The man walked away sad. He had stuff to think about.
But Jesus didn't say, "Hey, do it or else!" He didn't say, "You make me vomit, you sack of poo!" He didn't say, "You are going to hell!"

He offered the choice, and backed off.

I can't imagine Jesus saying, "Hey, you skanky, unrepentant whore! Mind if I sit and eat with you?"

I can't imagine Jesus saying to someone, "You aren't going to change? Well, I've just eaten bread with you! Well, screw you, you pile of puke!"

Jesus was God, and yet, he humbled himself to the level of sinners.

It seemed to work much better than being a jerk for Jesus.

Your choice. Your karma.

[Nineveh]

smaller,
Why do you justify beanieboy in a "lifestyle" that leads to disease and early death? Do you really hate him so much? Or does he matter to you at all?

[smaller]

I am awaiting your confession of SINLESSness Nin. Before we can discuss it I must be assured that you are in fact SINLESS and a part of my group.

[Nineveh]

And I am fruitlessly waitng for your reply smaller.

[smaller]

Now Nin, you KNOW I am waiting for your declaration of FAITH that Jesus has cleansed YOU from EVERY sin.

[Cyrus of Persia]

Originally posted by philosophizer

There's a difference between struggling and not repenting.

So tell me from what sins Beanieboy needs to repent, but is ignoring it?

Homosexuality is not the question, because it lacks any socio-cultural ground in today's world. We can accept the fact that God condemned it in OT, because it violated the rule of fertility. With nowadays demographics we hardly can believe that God condemns it even today.

The only sin i know of is smoking. Beanieboy admitted it in another thread and said that he is struggling with that. I know what it means, because i have been smoking since age 7 until i got saved in age 16. And even afterwards there has been couple of gloomy years when i falled into the sin again. Thank God, i havent touched it for 12 months already.

But if you insist that being gay is still Beanieboy's sin, then we have no common ground for further discussion about it, because one of us thinks it's sin and another thinks not so.

[Nineveh]

Originally posted by smaller

Now Nin, you KNOW I am waiting for your declaration of FAITH that Jesus has cleansed YOU from EVERY sin.

smaller, I am accustomed to your inability to answer simple questions. Let me help you. On philo's thread you claim to know God calls homoism an abomination. Paul asked: Do we continue in sin so grace might abound? His answer was no, we don't. I am sorry to see you offer beanieboy a false sense of security, not only in the afterlife, but right here on earth. If you know something is wrong according to God Himself, and you are aware it leads to an early death or disease, why on earth you would keep them in such a thing is beyond me. Unless of course you hate him or really just don't care.

[smaller]

Yeah CoP, and MURDER is no longer a sin either. That has surely passed away from today's culture as a SIN right?

[beanieboy]

Originally posted by Nineveh

If Poly is judging wrongly, she will answer to the same God beanieboy will. The difference is, she has the covering of Christ and can stand before the Mighty and Righteous God. Beanieboy has only his works to cover himself with. An unrepentant homosexual covered in his abominations vs a repentant follower of Christ, so tell me folks, which shoes would you rather be in on that day?

: tries on Poly's shoes:

What does beanieboy want? To be left alone in his sin at best, to shut up the Gospel at worst. What does Poly want? To see beanieboy look to Christ for his righteousness.


Poly wants me to be under her control.
She wants me to believe exactly as she does, and I don't, so she throws a temper tantrum like a 2 yr old, cause she can't have her way.

Then she handpicks verses to show how justified she is in preaching the vengence and hatred of God, while ignoring the rest.

You think God is going to be down with that?

I spend a lot of time in prayer. I prayed last night for Poly, for God to soften her heart. I prayed for God to take away the anger I had for Poly's hurtful behavior. Lately, something has been telling me to go to Africa to work with people with AIDS.

I read the Bible, but I interpret differently.
Jesus cursed the fig tree that bore no fruit.
He also chastised those who claimed to know him but did not feed him, clothe him, take care of him in sickness...

He talked a lot about what you are supposed to do.

So Poly can tell me I'm going to hell all she wants.
She isn't God, but acts like she is.

I understand this. I was there at one time too. I used to be very condemning of other people. It's human nature.

But now I am in a different place. If Satan has led me to look for insight in all religions, is leading me to Africa to help the sick, is leading me to daily prayer...

Well, then we are definitely worshipping different Gods.

[Chileice]

Originally posted by beanieboy

It's rather interesting that I don't start threads about homosexuality. christians do. And then when I respond, I am attacked.

And you are surprised that I would respond?

It's a trap. It's dishonest, really. It's on countless threads, and from what I see on TOL, should make up at least 30% of the Bible.

But why stop by condemning homosexuals? Why not go threaten people going to temple? They don't acknowledge Jesus as the Son of God, the unrepentant sinners! Are people who are Muslim? Scream in their face. Very effective. And hindis? Tell them they are going to hell, and then add a couple of "well, y'are"s to it. Very effective. Stand outside of bars, and yell, "Drunkards! Unrepentant drunkards!" I'm sure it will make you feel superior.

Yesterday, I decided to try out the Poly method.
Be a jerk to people, mock them, respond with "Wahhhh, Baby want her bottle" to see how effective it was.

The result?
Poly got angry.
She stopped responding.
She got defensive.

So, the "being mean because I love you" approach can sometimes actually build more walls than bridges. And it isn't Christ-like.

Christ told the rich man to go and sell all he had and follow him. The man walked away sad. He had stuff to think about.
But Jesus didn't say, "Hey, do it or else!" He didn't say, "You make me vomit, you sack of poo!" He didn't say, "You are going to hell!"

He offered the choice, and backed off.

I can't imagine Jesus saying, "Hey, you skanky, unrepentant whore! Mind if I sit and eat with you?"

I can't imagine Jesus saying to someone, "You aren't going to change? Well, I've just eaten bread with you! Well, screw you, you pile of puke!"

Jesus was God, and yet, he humbled himself to the level of sinners.

It seemed to work much better than being a jerk for Jesus.

Your choice. Your karma.


Is it not a sad commentary that the most Christian of responses comes from one who claims to follow Buddha. As for Poly being covered by the blood of Jesus... is she? She sounds like an unrepentant sinner willfully abusing people in the name of the Lord. Will Jesus say "well done" or will he say, "away from me for I never knew you". Accepting Christ is not saying magic words. I think there are many who have said "Lord, Lord" and are lost.

The sin that Jesus most attacked was self-righteousness. He came to save sinners, not those who were "healthy" in their own eyes. I feel bad for Poly because I believe she is being deceived
by people who are leading her astray. I am sur that inside there are many good qualities that God wants to use, but that are hidden behind a mask of false bravado. I imagine she has many fears that need to be dealt with and it is easier to attack than to look to your own heart and ask God for help. I hope you do Poly. I hope that for Nineveh as well. I hope Beanie repents and opens his whole heart to Jesus and realizes His sacrifice was for him.

Although it shouldn't blow my mind, it does, that no one responded to my previous post on page 7. Folks, real life is lived out there in the real world with real people, not screaming obsenities and insults into cyber-space. Bye for now.

[Nineveh]

Originally posted by smaller

Yeah CoP, and MURDER is no longer a sin either. That has surely passed away from today's culture as a SIN right?

I'm sorry you don't want to see beanieboy out of his perverse deathstyle, smaller. It's sad you won't even take a minute to tell him how God really feels about his acts. Your type of love could possibly lead to beanieboy getting diseases and costing him years off his life. That is a sort of love I want no part of. I don't want to see beanieboy become a statistic on the alter of perversity.

[Nineveh]

Originally posted by beanieboy

Poly wants me to be under her control.
She wants me to believe exactly as she does, and I don't, so she throws a temper tantrum like a 2 yr old, cause she can't have her way.

I see Poly reaching out to a sick individual telling him about the Cure.

Then she handpicks verses to show how justified she is in preaching the vengence and hatred of God, while ignoring the rest.

You try to twist the Law into saying something other than God loaths your deathstyle. You are ignoring God's Law, not Poly.

I read the Bible, but I interpret differently.
Jesus cursed the fig tree that bore no fruit.
He also chastised those who claimed to know him but did not feed him, clothe him, take care of him in sickness...

And He also damns those not written in His Book of Life.

So Poly can tell me I'm going to hell all she wants.
She isn't God, but acts like she is.

She cares enough about you to warn you away from your perverseness and toward the Savior.

I understand this. I was there at one time too. I used to be very condemning of other people. It's human nature.

The difference being, righteous judgement using God's Law vs being merely "judgemental".

But now I am in a different place. If Satan has led me to look for insight in all religions, is leading me to Africa to help the sick, is leading me to daily prayer...

Well, then we are definitely worshipping different Gods.

I have no doubt about that.

My God wants you to repent and turn from your perversion. He sent His Son to pay the price for the sin you have commited against Him and others. If you reject Jesus, you reject Life.

[beanieboy]

Originally posted by lighthouse

I told him. Guess what? He ignored me.

Originally posted by lighthouse

beanieboy-
You are not a repentant sinner. You have no room to talk. So, shut up!

A. I did respond, Einstein. I can't help it if you didn't see it.

B. First you say, "Guess I told him" because you believe that I didn't respond. Then you tell me to shut up because I am unrepentant.

Catch 22.

Your arrogance shows that you are unrepentant. Jesus never treated people like this. I can't help it if you miss those parts of the bible.

[beanieboy]

Originally posted by Nineveh
I see Poly reaching out to a sick individual telling him about the Cure.
You try to twist the Law into saying something other than God loaths your deathstyle. You are ignoring God's Law, not Poly.
And He also damns those not written in His Book of Life.
She cares enough about you to warn you away from your perverseness and toward the Savior.
The difference being, righteous judgement using God's Law vs being merely "judgemental".
I have no doubt about that.
My God wants you to repent and turn from your perversion. He sent His Son to pay the price for the sin you have commited against Him and others. If you reject Jesus, you reject Life.

But it is my choice.
Your choice has left you angry, vendictive, self righteous, and self exhalting. And you never repent of it.

I don't want to be like that.
So I reject your religion.

On the one hand, you want me to believe in your blood thursty God, and repent.

Then have the government kill me.

Sorry. You are wacked out of your mind.

I don't listen to crazy Joe screaming on the corner that the End is Near.

[beanieboy]

Originally posted by Nineveh

And I am fruitless

Much closer to the truth.

[Nineveh]

Originally posted by beanieboy

But it is my choice.
Your choice has left you angry, vendictive