Go and Sin No More

[wantsdirection]

Even Paul stuggled with Sin (http://bible.gospelcom.net/cgi-bin/bible?language=english&version=NIV&passage=Romans+7%3A7-25)

Jesus asked he without sin to cast the forst stone. (http://bible.gospelcom.net/cgi-bin/bible?passage=JOHN+8:7&language=english&version=NIV&showfn=on&showxref=on)

Jesus didnt say that she would no longer sin, He told her to leave her life of sin. He forgave her, but it was her choose to stay under that or to stray. (http://bible.gospelcom.net/cgi-bin/bible?passage=JOHN+8:11&language=english&version=NIV&showfn=on&showxref=on)

Do we sin, althougth we are not under the law? (http://bible.gospelcom.net/cgi-bin/bible?passage=ROM+2:11-13&language=english&version=NIV&showfn=on&showxref=on)

Dead to Sin, Alive in Christ....Slaves to Righteousness (http://bible.gospelcom.net/cgi-bin/bible?
passage=ROM+6&language=english&version=NIV&showfn=on&showxref=on)

Do we cause others who are already under the Blood to sin? (http://bible.gospelcom.net/cgi-bin/bible?passage=1COR+8:11-13&language=english&version=NIV&showfn=on&showxref=on)

Does this mean a "someone" in Christ and under the brother, or anyone? (http://bible.gospelcom.net/cgi-bin/bible?passage=GAL+6:1-2&language=english&version=NIV&showfn=on&showxref=on)

Are we cleansed from our past, present, and future sins? (http://bible.gospelcom.net/cgi-bin/bible?passage=1JOHN+1:7-9&language=english&version=NIV&showfn=on&showxref=on#footnote_917246588_1)

OK, I was just wanting to know... I gotta run to work, I'll finish my point when I get back

[Crow]

There are plenty of people here to address these issues--I'll take the one about casting the first stone.


There are several teachings we can pull out of that story, but the line you chose was an indictment of the Pharasees being guilty of vigilanteism and themselves breaking the law.

Jewish law had a requirement for 2 or more witnesses in order to condemn someone. The Pharasees were attempting to get a sentence without meeting the requirements of due process. Therefore, they sinned by bringing the woman to Jesus to be judged.

When Christ made that statement, he reminded the Pharasees that what they had done, attempting to get the woman executed illegally, was also punishable under the law. Which would explain why they slunk off. It sure wasn't from a guilty conscience. They were exposed as criminals and they exercised the better part of valor.

Unfortunately, scriptures are frequently taught divorced from the setting in which events occurred. Any person watching the interchange between Christ and the Pharasees at the time it occurred would have understood His indictment of the Pharasees was more just pointing out that all have sinned. As we are not part of that culture, it can make it difficult for us to understand without a little background info.

The Pharasees were trying to trick Christ. Jewish law demanded the woman be stoned if convicted of adultry, but the Romans ruled the country, and Christ would have been breaking Roman law if He said to stone her. It was a trap; a set up. They were using the woman as a pawn, and willing to sacrifice her life and willing to break the law themselves just to trap Christ and discredit Him or get Him arrested for sedition--encouraging others to break the laws of Rome. Instead, Christ exposed their duplicity and turned the tables on them.

[Lighthouse]

Anyone under the blood will not suffer the wages of sin. Sin is transgression of the law, and apart from the law there is no transgression. Is it possible for Christians to act immorally? Yes. But those in Christ are righteous, and they never lose that. Morality and righteousness are not the same thing. And sin is not about morality, it's about righteousness.

[Turbo]

Originally posted by wantsdirection

Do we sin, althougth we are not under the law? (http://bible.gospelcom.net/cgi-bin/bible?passage=ROM+2:11-13&language=english&version=NIV&showfn=on&showxref=on) The passage you linked does not address the question you asked. It's not about we who are not under the law (as in, the Body of Christ). It's about how even people who have never heard the law have the law written on their hearts (a conscience), which testifies against them.

Romans 2
12For as many as have sinned without law will also perish without law, and as many as have sinned in the law will be judged by the law 13(for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified;

Paul mentions:
Sinners who have not heard the law (Gentiles), but it is written on their hearts and therefore they will perish.
Hearers of the law (Jews) who are sinners and will perish.
Doers of the law (Jews) who are will be justified.

Paul goes on to clarify his point about unbelieving Gentile sinners, those who have not heard the law:
14for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves, 15who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them) 16in the day when God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel.

[billwald]

Depends upon what "Law" you are referring to. All humanity is obligated by the Noahic Covenant. People living in Nation Israel are governed by the Mosiac Covenant. Gentile Christians are governed by NT legal statements.

[Lighthouse]

Actually, billwald, Christians are governed by God. And we are kept by Christ. Christ named two commandments, which He said were the greatest. He said that all the law, and the prophets, rested on those two commandments. Those commandments were both commandments to love. And God is love. And God lives in us. Therefore, love lives in us. So the commandments are kept in us, by Christ. Not by ourselves.