Swearing

[God_Is_Truth]

What does the bible say about swearing? are we free to use any swear words we want? are there only some occasions we are free to use them in? or are they forbidden completely?

i'm not asking about phrases like "i swear to God", but more in regards to swear words in general (cussing). what's your understanding of the bible lead you to think about cussing?

[servent101]

Not to be angry - because all things are from God, both our tribulation and our blessings, so there is no need to cuss and swear - there is a verse on this somewhere in the Bible,

With Christ's Love


Servent101

[On Fire]

I think swearing has a personal impact - What does it do for you? How does it make you feel?

And a public impact - What would a non-believer think if he heard you? What impact would it have on a fellow Christian who struggles with swearing and wants to stop?

[Emo]

Originally posted by On Fire

I think swearing has a personal impact - What does it do for you? How does it make you feel?

1. Nothing beneficial 2. Slightly frustrated

And a public impact - What would a non-believer think if he heard you? What impact would it have on a fellow Christian who struggles with swearing and wants to stop?

1. Don't know, how do I know they are a non-believer?
2. Negative impact of course: Negativity breeds negativity!

Colossians 3:8

But now you yourselves are to put off all these: anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy language out of your mouth.

I cuss sometimes & have the tendency to use curse words on inanimate objects that won't do what I want them to do. I really don't think about swearing, it just seems to happen occasionally. I don't put too much investment into it. I'm only human; my only perfection is in Christ.

[BillyBob]

:sozo2: *%@+*^%$* *&^ **&^%##!

[Lighthouse]

If I slam my finger in a door, and yell a few expletives, nobody cares. Why anyone struggles with cussing is beyond me. People who can't figure out how to stop doing things areonly in that position because they're trying to live the life themselves, instead of letting Christ live in them.

Over the past week I had the flu, at least that's what it felt like. Anyway, I would sneeze, and it would hurt like the dickens, especially my ribs. And I would spout an occasional cussword, because of the pain. It wasn't wrong. And it isn't wrong to call someone a jackass, if they're being one.

[PureX]

There's a difference between swearing, cursing, and cussing. I think the bible says that we should not swear in vain, and we should not curse at all. But I don't think it says anything about cussing.

My own personal view of it (since I am not a "bible follower") is that it's OK to cuss on occasion, for reasonable effect. But I try not to swear or curse.

[Ninjashadow]

I try not to swear or curse, but occasionally a word or two slips out. I believe myself to be intellegent enough to find other words to use. However, sometimes a well placed dammit can be funny.

[Sold Out]

Matthew 12:36, "But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment."

[Lighthouse]

Want to explain what you think that verse is saying, SO?

[On Fire]

I found this explanation:

Actually, this passage tells us that every idle word that we speak will give an account for us. Read on in verse 37:

For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

[Lighthouse]

Define "idle word."

[On Fire]

Not edifying or glorifying to God.

[Lighthouse]

So, if I stub my toe, and say, "Ouch," that's an idle word?

[On Fire]

What else would it be?

[Turbo]

Originally posted by PureX

There's a difference between swearing, cursing, and cussing. I think the bible says that we should not swear in vain, and we should not curse at all. But I don't think it says anything about cussing. cuss (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=cuss) is to curse as bust (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=bust) is to burst.

[billwald]

"Swearing" is a technical term for oath making.

>Not edifying or glorifying to God.

Define "edifying." Would you ban all fiction?

[Lighthouse]

Will I be judged for saying, "Ouch?"

[Sold Out]

In the greek (ref. Matt 12:36), the word idle means a lazy or useless word.

I know people could go around and around about what curse words are, how they came to be, and why are they bad?, but as fellow Christians (that's who I'm writing to), we know, and our consciences tell us what words are appropriate or not appropriate.

I slip from time to time...and what I don't understand is why it feels so good to let a curse word rip from my mouth? Why is that? ...it's like I release some sort of anger or bad energy. I don't know, but I always ask for forgiveness when I do it!

[PureX]

Originally posted by Turbo cuss (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=cuss) is to curse as bust (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=bust) is to burst. Hmmm, Ithink you're right, and nicely put, by the way. Then I don't know what it's called when we use "foul language" but don't swear vain oaths or curse.

[Lighthouse]

Originally posted by Sold Out

I don't know, but I always ask for forgiveness when I do it!
Why?

You believe in eternal security, right? You beleive that all of your sins, past, present and future, were forgiven when you came to Him, right? So why do you keep asking for forgiveness? Do you feel guilty? If so, why? He took all your guilt, and all your shame upon Himself, already. You have no reason to feel guilty, or ashamed.

[On Fire]

Originally posted by lighthouse

Why?

You believe in eternal security, right? You beleive that all of your sins, past, present and future, were forgiven when you came to Him, right? So why do you keep asking for forgiveness? Do you feel guilty? If so, why? He took all your guilt, and all your shame upon Himself, already. You have no reason to feel guilty, or ashamed.
So once you're saved, everything you do is pleasing to God?

[Lighthouse]

Uh huh. Yeah. That's what I said.:freak:

:rolleyes:

[Granite]

If you swear, do it in moderation (like most good things). Loses its effect if you go overboard.

[On Fire]

Originally posted by lighthouse

Uh huh. Yeah. That's what I said.:freak:

:rolleyes:

You're not quite witty enough to make comments like that and expect people to understand your point.

[Lighthouse]

Whatever, dude.

I know that not everything I do is pleasing to God, but I also know that I'm forgiven, and there's no need to keep asking for what's already mine.

[Ninjashadow]

If the worst thing a person does is swear, I think they are doing pretty good.

[BillyBob]

Originally posted by Turbo

bust (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=bust) is to burst.



bust ( P ) Pronunciation Key (bst)
n.

1. A sculpture representing a person's head, shoulders, and upper chest.
2.
1. A woman's bosom.
2. The human chest.


A bust about to burst? I've seen many of them at Hooters. :freak:

[On Fire]

Originally posted by lighthouse

Whatever, dude.

I know that not everything I do is pleasing to God, but I also know that I'm forgiven, and there's no need to keep asking for what's already mine.
I didn't say you need to ask for forgiveness every time you swear but perhaps you could ask God you make you more like Christ who probably never swore.

[Lighthouse]

I personally don't see anything wrong with using words that are appropriate for the situation. Unless you're somewhere that censors certain language.

[Sold Out]

Originally posted by lighthouse

Why?

You believe in eternal security, right? You beleive that all of your sins, past, present and future, were forgiven when you came to Him, right? So why do you keep asking for forgiveness? Do you feel guilty? If so, why? He took all your guilt, and all your shame upon Himself, already. You have no reason to feel guilty, or ashamed.

Oh, I ABSOLUTELY believe in eternal security. I ask forgiveness so that my fellowship will be restored with my Heavenly Father. It's like if one of my kids is disrespectful to me. I expect them to apologize to me so that our relationship is restored. They don't apologize to me so that they can still be my kid. Nothing can change the fact they are, and always will be my children.

God has feelings, and I disrespect or shame him when I use foul language. I ask forgiveness to let him know I am sorry!

[Lighthouse]

Where does the Bible teach that your fellowship with the Father is strained when you sin?

[Jefferson]

Originally posted by lighthouse

Where does the Bible teach that your fellowship with the Father is strained when you sin? Ephesians 4:30 - "And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption."

[Lighthouse]

Does that mean I am removed from Him when I fail?

[Jefferson]

Originally posted by lighthouse

Does that mean I am removed from Him when I fail? It means you have removed yourself from fellowship with Him which grieves Him.

[Lighthouse]

So I'm no longer saved?

[Jefferson]

Originally posted by lighthouse

So I'm no longer saved? That's not what I said. It's like any other relationship. When a man is rude to his wife it makes it a bit more difficult for her to confide in him.

[Mr. 5020]

Originally posted by lighthouse

So I'm no longer saved? What the heck? Read SO's post again. She says that she "ABSOLUTELY believe[s] in eternal security." She even said that she knows she is still saved, but does it for the sake of closeness between her and her Father.

[Sold Out]

Thanks Mr. 5020 & Jefferson!

Lighthouse...lighten up a bit! We are fellow believers who believe the same doctrine!

[Emo]

Originally posted by Sold Out

Lighthouse...lighten up a bit!

Sir, step away from the NyQuil, slowly, slowly
But seriously..........

We are fellow believers who believe the same doctrine!

Agreed,

God's grace is further reinforced by eternal security which in turn makes it easy for us to deepen & strengthen our love relationship with God.

Lucky for us His love is immeasurable!

[Lighthouse]

1] That post about the loss of salvation was to Jefferson.
2] I knew the answer would be no.:duh:
3] I'm trying to lead to something.

God knows who we are. And He knows the flesh. There is no reason to believe that anything changes when we "sin." Because of Him we repent when we fall. And our relationship is not strained, because there is no reason for it to be. We didn't do anything unexpected. And asking for forgiveness seems pointless to me, because we are already forgiven. And because we have the mind of Christ we will know when we have done wrong, and we will repent. And that is all that is needed. And it's an automatic response of those who ar in Christ.

[ShadowMaid]

Faith in God can always become stronger, and humbling yourself before Him, strengthens your relationship.

It's not so much as asking for forgiveness, then humbling yourself.

[Lighthouse]

I've tried humbling myself, but that always leads to feeling proud of being humble.:dizzy:

I have learned that only God can truly humble me, whether by carefully working on me, or by force, depending on what I need.

Am I sorry when I do wrong? Yes. But only because He has made me to know right from wrong. And I repent when I am in the wrong, by His grace.

[Jefferson]

Originally posted by lighthouse

If I slam my finger in a door, and yell a few expletives, nobody cares. God does:

Ephesians 5:3,4 says, "But let not fornication, and all uncleanness, or greediness, be named among you, as is fitting for saints; also baseness, and foolish talking, or joking (the things not becoming), but rather thanksgiving."

[Lighthouse]

Jeff-
You have no say in this. I hear you cuss all the time. And I don't mean when you get mad, or are in pain. If God doesn't like my yelling a cussword when I stub my toe, he especially doesn't like it when it's done in everyday speech. However, I disagree with you. They're just words.

[Jefferson]

Brandon:

When Ephesians 5 condemns "baseness, and foolish talking, or joking (the things not becoming)" what do you think it is refering to?

[Lighthouse]

It could be any number of things. But none of the words we're talking about even existed back then. And besides, if you want to accuse me of having a speck in my eye, make sure there's not a plank in yours first.

[Jefferson]

Originally posted by lighthouse

It could be any number of things.Such as?

But none of the words we're talking about even existed back then. But the verse is refering to words that existed back then that have the same moral level of "baseness" of some words that exist today, don't you agree?

[Lighthouse]

Possibly.

But the real question is why are these words considered to be what they are? They weren't considered vulgar when they originated, and many, if not all, mean the same thing they did back then.

Also, if it's wrong to use these words, why isn't it wrong to use slang terms that mean the same thing, i.e. screw, or crap?

[Sold Out]

Originally posted by lighthouse

I've tried humbling myself, but that always leads to feeling proud of being humble.:dizzy:

I have learned that only God can truly humble me, whether by carefully working on me, or by force, depending on what I need.

Am I sorry when I do wrong? Yes. But only because He has made me to know right from wrong. And I repent when I am in the wrong, by His grace.

I John 1:8,9 " If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness

II Chronicles 7:14, " if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land."

[Jefferson]

lighthouse:

If you were to write a Bible commentary on Ephesians 5 or if you taught a Bible Study and you came across Ephesians 5:3,4 which says, "But let not fornication, and all uncleanness, or greediness, be named among you, as is fitting for saints; also baseness, and foolish talking, or joking (the things not becoming), but rather thanksgiving."

What would your commentary on that verse be regarding how that verse applies to us today?

[Lighthouse]

Originally posted by Sold Out

I John 1:8,9 " If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness

II Chronicles 7:14, " if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land."
:confused:

What specifically are you attempting to say?

1 John 1 is written to unbeleivers, as evidenced by verses 3 and 5. It also says that God will cleanse us from all unrighteousness. When we first came to Him, He did that. which is why we are eternally secure. Because you have to be cleansed of all unrighteousness to get into heaven. So you are already cleansed, or you would lose your salvation over every sin, until you asked for forgiveness.

And 2 Chronicles was well before the death and resurrection of Christ. Things have changed.

[Lighthouse]

Originally posted by Jefferson

lighthouse:

If you were to write a Bible commentary on Ephesians 5 or if you taught a Bible Study and you came across Ephesians 5:3,4 which says, "But let not fornication, and all uncleanness, or greediness, be named among you, as is fitting for saints; also baseness, and foolish talking, or joking (the things not becoming), but rather thanksgiving."

What would your commentary on that verse be regarding how that verse applies to us today?
I'm not qualified to write such a commentary, until I stop thinking innapropriate things whenever someone says something innocent.

[Jefferson]

Originally posted by lighthouse

I'm not qualified to write such a commentary, until I stop thinking innapropriate things whenever someone says something innocent. Okay, then even if you never write a commentary or teach a Bible study, do you even simply have any opinion whatsoever as to what God is trying to communicate to us through that verse?

[Sold Out]

Originally posted by Sold Out

I John 1:8,9 " If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness

II Chronicles 7:14, " if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land."

Lighthouse - What I meant by this is that we are to HUMBLE OURSELVES.

[Lighthouse]

Sold Out-
kay. How do we humble ourselves?

Jefferson-
The verse is saying that it is wrong to speak perversely. If I slam my finger in a car door and yell an expletive, that isn't perverted.

[Sold Out]

Originally posted by lighthouse

Sold Out-
kay. How do we humble ourselves?


Glad you asked...there are 9 ways to practice humility:

1) Learn to properly react to discipline and chastening in your life (See - Lev 26:41)
2) Learn to purposely rejoice with those who rejoice in the LORD (See - Psa 34:2)
3) Learn to purposely become child-like (See - Mt 18:2-4)
4) Learn to purposely fast (See - Psa 35:13)
5) Learn to purposely prefer one another (See - I Pet 5:5)
6) Learn to privately pray (See - II Chro 7:14)
7) Learn to properly react to the trials in this life (See - Deut 8:2,3,16)
8) Learn to purposely remember your past trials and afflictions (See - Lam 3:19,20)
9) Learn to properly react to the Word of God and confess unconfessed sin (See - I Ki 21:17-29 & II Chro 12:2-12 & 30:1-11 & 33:10-23 & 34:27 & II Ki 20:14-19 & Jere 13:15-18)