Reality Check

[Nineveh]

They are the generation of women who grew up expecting to have it all. No longer forced to choose between children and a career, they were set to embrace superwomanhood by doing both - while holding down a perfect relationship and keeping a spotless home in their spare time.

But modern woman has taken a reality check. The average 29-year-old now hankers for a return to the lifestyle of a 1950s housewife. The daughters of the "Cosmo" generation of feminists want nothing more than a happy marriage and domestic bliss in the countryside, according to a survey.

Research into the attitudes of 1,500 women with an average age of 29 found that 61 per cent believe "domestic goddess" role models who juggle top jobs with motherhood and jet-set social lives are "unhelpful" and "irritating". More than two-thirds agree that the man should be the main provider in a family, while 70 per cent do not want to work as hard as their mother's generation. On average, the women questioned want to "settle down" with their partner by 30 and have their first child a year later.

Vicki Shotbolt, deputy chief executive of the National Family and Parenting Institute, said: "This is the generation of young women who have seen the 'have it all' ethos up close and personal, and they have realised that it doesn't work.

"Their own mothers may have tried to juggle motherhood and careers, and it may have been the children who feel they lost out ... I think women really are coming of age now, and are accepting that it is virtually impossible to have it all."

And after decades of soaring divorce rates and a rise in births outside marriage, it appears the next generation of mothers is reverting to more traditional social mores.

Nine out of 10 young women would rather be married when they have children, while 75 per cent believe that modern couples do not make enough effort to stay together.

A quarter of those questioned intend to give up work and be a full-time mother when they start a family, with just 1 per cent saying their career will remain a "top priority" once they have children.

According to the survey, for New Woman magazine, young women do not crave the singleton glamour of the Sex and the City series, nor the suburban competitiveness of Desperate Housewives. While just 28 per cent want to live in a city, 34 per cent desire life in a small town and for 38 per cent, their ideal life would be in a village. Just 5 per cent rate their top priority in a relationship as "great sex" while 95 per cent say what they really want is commitment from a partner.

Even traditional hobbies, such as knitting, have been making a comeback, with cinemas offering "stitch and *****" sessions for women who want to watch a film while creating the perfect homespun jumper for their man.

And the "superwomen" role models of the 1990s have also fallen from grace. Last year Nicola Horlick, who wrote a book entitled Can You Have It All? about her life as a mother of five and millionaire fund manager, announced she and her husband were to divorce.

Lorraine Candy, the editor of Cosmopolitan, resigned from her job and later attacked the magazine's owners over comments they made about her taking maternity leave. "There is a growing realisation that being at the top of a career might not make you happy in the way that marriage and children might do," she said.

Margi Conklin, editor of New Woman, said: "There has been a fundamental shift in young women's attitudes towards life and work. They've watched their own mothers trying and often failing to 'have it all' and have decided they don't want it all. They don't want to work crazy hours while their children are put into nurseries and their relationships disintegrate under the strain."

She went on: "Young women today are increasingly putting their personal happiness before a big salary or high-powered career. Above everything else, they crave a work-life balance where they can enjoy a fulfilling relationship, raise happy children and have a job that interests them but doesn't overwhelm them. The age of the 'superwoman', who wants to be the world's best mother, wife and boss, is dead."

'I travelled around the world with work but I really love my life now'

Chris Lovelock, 36, from Southfields, south-west London, had a high-flying career as an IT consultant until she decided to give up work in favour of family life.

Now she is a full-time mother to her son Daniel, three, and 20-month-old daughter Alex, while her husband Julian runs his own consultancy.

She said: "I used to travel the world and barely saw my husband because I was away five days a week. We wanted to start a family but I was having trouble getting pregnant, so I handed in my notice and it happened immediately."

Four months after Alex was born, she worked part-time, but when she became pregnant again, decided to give up her career for family life. "My mother ran a restaurant and although she was there for us when we were young, she was at work a lot," Mrs Lovelock said.

"I knew I really wanted to be there all the time for my children. I had enjoyed my job but I didn't want to be a career woman who worked five days a week, had a nanny and only saw her children at weekends.

"I really love my life now. I am the woman on our street who has all the other kids over for tea. I make my own bread and test it on the children, and we do lots of things.

"I will probably go back to work at some point, but it may be for a charity rather than a very demanding job."

So can women have it all? "Maybe, but it's not what I want."

THE COST OF HAVING IT ALL

* According to the Kinsey Institute for research in reproduction, gender and sex, the pressures on today's married women mean they have less sex than their 1950s counterparts, with just one in three making love to their husbands more than twice a week.

* One in five women born in 1970 has suffered from depression and anxiety in their thirties, twice the rate of those born in 1940, the University of London has found.

* A Gallup poll in 1954 found that 98 per cent of people disapproved of single mothers; today only 38 per cent feel the same way.

* Two-thirds of women in 1954 repaired old shoes; now a similar proportion simply throw them away.

* One social statistic that has remained unchanged between 1954 and today is the proportion of men who claim to do most of the housework, 12 per cent.

* One in 10 marriages entered into by teenage women in Great Britain during the late 1960s ended in separation within five years, compared with one in four that took place between 1985 and 1989. cite (http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/this_britain/story.jsp?story=618472)

[Gerald]

From the article posted by Nineveh
The daughters of the "Cosmo" generation of feminists want nothing more than a happy marriage and domestic bliss in the countryside, according to a survey.How pathetic. You'll never see people like this taking humanity back to space...

[elected4ever]

The present monetary system with its present need for over consumption will not allow for women out of the work place in grate numbers.

[Nineveh]

Originally posted by Gerald

How pathetic. You'll never see people like this taking humanity back to space...

Nope... You'll see them staying home pacing while their husbands go :) Seen Apollo 13?

[Free-Agent Smith]

In reply to the opening post... finally.

[cattyfan]

wanting a good marriage and a stable loving home is pathetic?

Wanting to create a household that your husband and children look forward to coming home to at the end of the day, knowing that when they get there, the house won't be empty and someone who adores them is waiting for them is pathetic?

Making sure your husband and children are secure and well cared for is pathetic?

Wow. What an empty life you must lead, Gerald.

[Gerald]

Originally posted by Nineveh
Nope... You'll see them staying home pacing while their husbands go :) Seen Apollo 13? Phooey! Today's men-folk aren't any better.

[Gerald]

Originally posted by cattyfan
wanting a good marriage and a stable loving home is pathetic?

Wanting to create a household that your husband and children look forward to coming home to at the end of the day, knowing that when they get there, the house won't be empty and someone who adores them is waiting for them is pathetic?

Making sure your husband and children are secure and well cared for is pathetic?More power to those who want such things. But wanting that and nothing else is, IMO, pathetic.
Wow. What an empty life you must lead, Gerald. Hardly. I just got spoiled by the moon landings, and I see this as human beings falling back in on themselves, turning inward when the way to progress is outward.

[cattyfan]

Originally posted by Gerald

More power to those who want such things. But wanting that and nothing else is, IMO, pathetic.
Hardly. I just got spoiled by the moon landings, and I see this as human beings falling back in on themselves, turning inward when the way to progress is outward.


what else do you think they should want? Everything else, when it comes down to it, is expendable...at the end of the day, none of the material goods count for anything and no career achievements will ever overshadow the love and safety of someone's family.

[Mr. 5020]

Originally posted by cattyfan

what else do you think they should want? Everything else, when it comes down to it, is expendable...at the end of the day, none of the material goods count for anything and no career achievements will ever overshadow the love and safety of someone's family. Gerald doesn't understand cattyfan. He's proven, countless times, that he has no heart. He will die a lonely, lonely man.

[firechyld]

It's the downside of the feminist revolution. The ideal was to give us freedom, the actual result was too often the same pressure to conform, only to a different mold.

The way I see it, if a woman has made the choice to live her life the way she wants to, good on her. It doesn't matter if that choice is hubbie and kids, or career-based global domination.

[PureX]

The 50s aren't coming back.

The 50s aren't coming back.

Thank God Almighty,

the 50s aren't coming back.

Conservatives always want to go backwards. That's why they're conservatives. The definition of conservatism is to resist change. But change is inevitable, and not everyone in a society is conservative. Some people seek out change. Some people want to explore new ways of living. And some of these people will be women.

Conservative women will want to live the way women in their society have always lived. Progressive women will want to explore new ways of living. For many years, most women were forced to live conservatively, whether they liked it or not. So naturally, when this oppression was broken, most women wanted to explore their new possibilities. And they have. But now they're finally getting over the novelty of liberation, and are free to choose what's right according to their own individual nature. That will mean that those who are more conservative by nature will choose the more conservative (traditional) way of life, while those who are more progressive by nature will be able to live a more experimental lifestyle.

In all societies, the conservatives generally outnumber the progressives, but if the society is healthy, it will have enough progressives (and will allow them to explore new ways of thinking and living) so that the society can accept positive changes and adapt to it's ever-changing environment.

The positive side of conservatism is that it creates strength and stability through it's desire for continuity. The negative side of conservatism is that it abhors change in a universe that is always changing, and left unchecked, it will become so rigid that it invites extinction. The positive side of progressivism (generally called liberalism, in our society) is that it's always seeking out new and better ways of understanding and doing things, which creates choices and possibilities that allow us to adapt to our ever-changing environment and to be happier and more fulfilled as individuals. The negative side of liberalism is that if it's left unchecked, it will tend to degenerate into indecision and chaos. A healthy society needs both conservatism and progressivism, and needs each to limit the inclinations of the other.

Hopefully this is what's happening with women and how they're choosing to live their lives these days.

[Nineveh]

Originally posted by firechyld

It's the downside of the feminist revolution. The ideal was to give us freedom, the actual result was too often the same pressure to conform, only to a different mold.

The way I see it, if a woman has made the choice to live her life the way she wants to, good on her. It doesn't matter if that choice is hubbie and kids, or career-based global domination.

Oh gee...

Now I gotta agree with you... shoot...

: sigh :

It was bound to happen sooner or later :D

The only thing I would add to your thoughts is the mistake some gals have with thinking they can devote 100% to everything they take on. Within reason, yes, it's possible. But usually a full time career seriously curtails other parts of a woman's life. I think the secret is to know yourself and know what you want.

[Free-Agent Smith]

I see women at work everyday. Some are respectable, some are not. Some come with the intentions to help with the family finances, some seem only to show up looking for their next "partner".
I hear some women say how independant they are and that they don't need a man. I will usually see that same woman later (days, weeks or whatever) whining about how she lost another man. Many of them come to work dressed like they only have one goal to fill.... lust. One independant woman I work with has 6 kids with five different fathers and adamantly says she doesn't need any man to help her out. Yes, I see that.

Do they really want it all? No but some of them think so.

[Servo]

Originally posted by Nineveh

Oh gee...

Now I gotta agree with you... shoot...

: sigh :

It was bound to happen sooner or later :D

The only thing I would add to your thoughts is the mistake some gals have with thinking they can devote 100% to everything they take on. Within reason, yes, it's possible. But usually a full time career seriously curtails other parts of a woman's life. I think the secret is to know yourself and know what you want.

The double income in most families has raised the prices on things such as housing. Now many women who would like to stay home and raise kids may not be able to. Many find a way, which is great, but financially it can be a real struggle. I would hope anyone with kids can have the opportunity to stay home and raise them, instead of having a teenager at a day care do it.

Traffic has also been feminized. We all love rush hour, don't we?

[Morpheus]

Originally posted by Shimei

The double income in most families has raised the prices on things such as housing. Now many women who would like to stay home and raise kids may not be able to. Many find a way, which is great, but financially it can be a real struggle. I would hope anyone with kids can have the opportunity to stay home and raise them, instead of having a teenager at a day care do it.

Traffic has also been feminized. We all love rush hour, don't we? I'm just amazed that I have finally found someone who has come to the same conclusion as I have. I remember the 50s. Women did have some serious gripes. Husbands could beat them and nothing would be done because it was a family matter. Women who had to work did it for a fraction of their male counterpart. But that wasn't what brought the women into the workplace en masse. It was greed. Many single moms had to work, but there were a few wives who went to work because the double income would get them more stuff. Then Ethel, Ruby and Ann saw how those families had more stuff than they did, so they decided to join in. It started a chain reaction. Before we knew it the working wives were in the majority. Conservatives were against the trend in conversation, but business and government encouraged the move. The law of supply and demand worked toward equilibrium. The suddenly increased supply of workforce reduced demand for labor, thereby reducing real wages. At the same time prices, which are not based on individual income, but family income, increased because of increased demand. Before we knew it those two income households were able to buy just as much as the single income household could in the 50s. Try turning that back.

[Nineveh]

Originally posted by Shimei

The double income in most families has raised the prices on things such as housing. Now many women who would like to stay home and raise kids may not be able to. Many find a way, which is great, but financially it can be a real struggle. I would hope anyone with kids can have the opportunity to stay home and raise them, instead of having a teenager at a day care do it.

"If you really want to do something, you will find a way, if you don't, you'll find an excuse."

Traffic has also been feminized. We all love rush hour, don't we?

Ha :)

Maybe we should shoot for having mom do all the driving :) There's a place to start on saving a lil $.

[Granite]

Pandora's Box has been opened, like it or not, and conservatives just have to deal with it.

So do liberals: as usual, they've gone completely, absolutely overboard.

[PureX]

Originally posted by granite1010 So do liberals: as usual, they've gone completely, absolutely overboard. How so? I haven't seen any liberals advocating any sort of neo-Lesbos society where women run everything and they keep men in cages for breeding purposes or anything. What is this wild reaction that you're seeing that I'm missing?

[Servo]

Originally posted by Nineveh

"If you really want to do something, you will find a way, if you don't, you'll find an excuse."

Agreed

Originally posted by Nineveh

Ha :)

Maybe we should shoot for having mom do all the driving :) There's a place to start on saving a lil $.

So maybe mom can drop dad off at work and pick him up as well?
:)

[the Sibbie]

Originally posted by Shimei

The double income in most families has raised the prices on things such as housing. Now many women who would like to stay home and raise kids may not be able to. Many find a way, which is great, but financially it can be a real struggle. I would hope anyone with kids can have the opportunity to stay home and raise them, instead of having a teenager at a day care do it.

Traffic has also been feminized. We all love rush hour, don't we? Do you think that perhaps if more women stayed home it would in turn open up higher income job opportunities to men?


Maybe some of us could cut back on the big screen TV's and the many brand new cars we have to buy every couple of years. (I know, a lot of people probably don't have those, but I think my husband sometimes gets a little bit of pressure to have all the fancy entertainment equipment.)

[the Sibbie]

Originally posted by Shimei

So maybe mom can drop dad off at work and pick him up as well?
:) Hmm, unless mom needs the car during the day, that would be a waste.

[Granite]

Originally posted by PureX

How so? I haven't seen any liberals advocating any sort of neo-Lesbos society where women run everything and they keep men in cages for breeding purposes or anything. What is this wild reaction that you're seeing that I'm missing?

The militant feminism of today, the ERA, just the shrillness and brutishness I see from much of the feminist movement. I mean, for crying out loud, ladies, you got what you asked for. Deal with the consequences and quit carping.

[Nineveh]

Originally posted by Shimei

So maybe mom can drop dad off at work and pick him up as well?
:)

Sure, why not? We get better rates anyway :D

[Servo]

Originally posted by the Sibbie

Do you think that perhaps if more women stayed home it would in turn open up higher income job opportunities to men?


Maybe some of us could cut back on the big screen TV's and the many brand new cars we have to buy every couple of years. (I know, a lot of people probably don't have those, but I think my husband sometimes gets a little bit of pressure to have all the fancy entertainment equipment.)

The young couple with the mini-mansion and the mega-mortgage and the 3 car garage with the 2 SUV's and the boat. Makes it kind of hard for the one income family. I mean, how can we be happy with out these things? Oh, and the snowmobiles with the matching suits.

[Servo]

Originally posted by the Sibbie

Hmm, unless mom needs the car during the day, that would be a waste.

Maybe just on grocery day.

[Servo]

Originally posted by granite1010

The militant feminism of today, the ERA, just the shrillness and brutishness I see from much of the feminist movement. I mean, for crying out loud, ladies, you got what you asked for. Deal with the consequences and quit carping.

True. I hear many women now saying they wish they could stay home. Most could if the family as a whole made some major changes.

I know this couple who just built a mansion. Huge mortgage. The wife is ready to sell it and downscale so she can actually see her kids sometimes.

[Morpheus]

Originally posted by Shimei

True. I hear many women now saying they wish they could stay home. Most could if the family as a whole made some major changes.

I know this couple who just built a mansion. Huge mortgage. The wife is ready to sell it and downscale so she can actually see her kids sometimes. My younger sister,she is 50 now, has been a senior executive for many years. She almost always outearned her husband. About 14 years ago, she when she was pregnant with her third child, she decided that she wanted to stay home and raise him. She lasted for about two months before she looked, and found another high-paying sr. exec. position with a large conglomerate. About 6 years ago her husband, also an exec, was the victim of a corporate cutback. He received a year-and-a-half salary severance package. He decided that since my sister already made a good bit more than he had that he would stay home with the two remaining kids. He enjoyed it immensely, as did the kids. They did everything together. My sister took little time to start complaining to him and her family (me) about his decision. She wondered if he would ever start to look for work. How could he be so lazy! She didn't bring it up to me but once. I kept my cool and reminded her that she had made the same decision years before. She hadn't returned to work because of financial stress; she did it because she wanted to. She admitted that she made enough to pay their bills, but that wasn't the point. She thought that since he was the man that he should be working. My moderately feminist sister, who had fought to break through the glass ceiling, didn't like hearing that she had helped cause her situation. She had fought for equality in the workplace, she found that she didn't like it that it also meant equality in the home. She couldn't give up her ingrained gender roles after all those years of fighting against them. Her husband finally succumbed to pressure and returned to work after 2 years. What a shame.

Personally I love my new role as stay-home dad. That is one of the up-sides to being disabled and retired. I always wondered what women were thinking in the 50s & 60s. They had a good thing going. They gave it up for garbage that they paid for with a less challenging job.

[Gerald]

Originally posted by Shimei
The young couple with the mini-mansion and the mega-mortgage and the 3 car garage with the 2 SUV's and the boat.If that's the stuff a couple wants, the smart money is to not have kids.

[Servo]

Originally posted by Gerald

If that's the stuff a couple wants, the smart money is to not have kids.

If you do have kids and want all the stuff, then what? Ignore the kids so you can earn more money?

People wonder why kids are so angry today.

[On Fire]

Originally posted by Gerald
I see this as human beings falling back in on themselves, turning inward when the way to progress is outward.

Turning inward is what Godless Secular Humanists do best.

[Servo]

Originally posted by Morpheus

My younger sister,she is 50 now, has been a senior executive for many years. She almost always outearned her husband. About 14 years ago, she when she was pregnant with her third child, she decided that she wanted to stay home and raise him. She lasted for about two months before she looked, and found another high-paying sr. exec. position with a large conglomerate. About 6 years ago her husband, also an exec, was the victim of a corporate cutback. He received a year-and-a-half salary severance package. He decided that since my sister already made a good bit more than he had that he would stay home with the two remaining kids. He enjoyed it immensely, as did the kids. They did everything together. My sister took little time to start complaining to him and her family (me) about his decision. She wondered if he would ever start to look for work. How could he be so lazy! She didn't bring it up to me but once. I kept my cool and reminded her that she had made the same decision years before. She hadn't returned to work because of financial stress; she did it because she wanted to. She admitted that she made enough to pay their bills, but that wasn't the point. She thought that since he was the man that he should be working. My moderately feminist sister, who had fought to break through the glass ceiling, didn't like hearing that she had helped cause her situation. She had fought for equality in the workplace, she found that she didn't like it that it also meant equality in the home. She couldn't give up her ingrained gender roles after all those years of fighting against them. Her husband finally succumbed to pressure and returned to work after 2 years. What a shame.

Personally I love my new role as stay-home dad. That is one of the up-sides to being disabled and retired. I always wondered what women were thinking in the 50s & 60s. They had a good thing going. They gave it up for garbage that they paid for with a less challenging job.

Always the double standard.

[Gerald]

Originally posted by Shimei
If you do have kids and want all the stuff, then what?Such people come under the rubric of "Seriously Lacking in Foresight" and get no sympathy from me.

[the Sibbie]

Gerald, was your mom a working mom or a stay-at-home mom?

[Gerald]

Originally posted by the Sibbie
Gerald, was your mom a working mom or a stay-at-home mom? First a stay-at-home, then a worker.

I don't remember her all that well these days, though; she's a bit beyond my reach.

[the Sibbie]

Originally posted by Gerald

First a stay-at-home, then a worker.

I don't remember her all that well these days, though; she's a bit beyond my reach. How long did she stay at home?

[Gerald]

Originally posted by the Sibbie

How long did she stay at home? 'Til I was about five or so, I s'pose.

[PureX]

Originally posted by granite1010

The militant feminism of today, the ERA, just the shrillness and brutishness I see from much of the feminist movement. I mean, for crying out loud, ladies, you got what you asked for. Deal with the consequences and quit carping. I haven't seen a "militant feminist" in years! Are they still around?

I went to an Ani DiFranco concert last week, and I was probably the oldest male there, and there weren't that many males there. Ani is a bi-sexual woman who often sings and talks about her lifestyle on stage or in public and she gets a lot of lesbian women at her concerts. I kind of figured that she's about as radical feminist as they come, these days, and to my mind she's pretty tame and quite reasonable in her beliefs. Have you been watching too much Fox propaganda lately or something? I'm really not seeing any big groundswell of feminism going on these days, except maybe in the imaginations of the media blowhards.

[firechyld]

Ninevah...

Oh gee...

Now I gotta agree with you... shoot...

: sigh :

It was bound to happen sooner or later

Don't worry. I'm sure you're just coming down with something. ;)

The only thing I would add to your thoughts is the mistake some gals have with thinking they can devote 100% to everything they take on. Within reason, yes, it's possible. But usually a full time career seriously curtails other parts of a woman's life. I think the secret is to know yourself and know what you want.

Exactly. It would be nice if we could all have absolutely everything we want out of life, but sadly it's impractical from a time-management standpoint.

Often, women end up sacrificing family life for work, or career achievement for family. Only each woman can decide if she's made the right decision for her.

PureX

How so? I haven't seen any liberals advocating any sort of neo-Lesbos society where women run everything and they keep men in cages for breeding purposes or anything. What is this wild reaction that you're seeing that I'm missing?

I was an extremely precocious child, born into a family of two working parents, and four out of five elder siblings in the work force. I was sent to an academically selective high school, where the expectation was that every student would go on to tertiary study and end up in either a well paying career or a research position. The few girls who are now raising children with partners at the expense of further education or work are considered to be "wasting" their opportunity, or "throwing their lives away". I nearly fell into that category for having the audacity to take a couple of years off to work and get married before I went to uni.

When I was about sixteen, I had a whim that I might be a hairdresser. Nothing wrong with hairdressing. It's a good trade, not to mention traditionally female dominated and hence relatively family friendly. There was outrage and horror expressed from all corners... sisters, mother, teachers, friends and fellow students. How dare I consider throwing away the opportunities won for me to go into such a stereotypically non-feminist industry!

It's only feminist thought if I make the choice myself. Breaking the glass ceiling because you're pressured into it is just forced conformity from the other side.

*shrug*

Perhaps not quite the kind of "wild reaction" you were thinking of, but a problem doesn't become not a problem just because it's subtle.

[PureX]

Originally posted by firechyld There was outrage and horror expressed from all corners... sisters, mother, teachers, friends and fellow students. How dare I consider throwing away the opportunities won for me to go into such a stereotypically non-feminist industry!

It's only feminist thought if I make the choice myself. Breaking the glass ceiling because you're pressured into it is just forced conformity from the other side.

*shrug*

Perhaps not quite the kind of "wild reaction" you were thinking of, but a problem doesn't become not a problem just because it's subtle. OK, But how was this pressure "liberalism"? What's liberal about it? It sounds quite conservative to me, in that your family wanted you to conform to their expectations. The key word being 'conform'. Liberalism is about breaking away from conformity; exploring new ways of understanding and of doing things. Liberalism is about embracing plurelism and individuality. It's conservatism that wants conformity, continuity, everything and everyone to stay the same.

[Frank Ernest]

Originally posted by PureX

OK, But how was this pressure "liberalism"? What's liberal about it? It sounds quite conservative to me, in that your family wanted you to conform to their expectations. The key word being 'conform'. Liberalism is about breaking away from conformity; exploring new ways of understanding and of doing things. Liberalism is about embracing plurelism and individuality. It's conservatism that wants conformity, continuity, everything and everyone to stay the same.
:darwinsm:

[inteltheology]

But modern woman has taken a reality check. The average 29-year-old now hankers for a return to the lifestyle of a 1950s housewife. The daughters of the "Cosmo" generation of feminists want nothing more than a happy marriage and domestic bliss in the countryside, according to a survey.


:chuckle: This is one screwed up survey!

According to the Kinsey Institute for research in reproduction, gender and sex, the pressures on today's married women mean they have less sex than their 1950s counterparts, with just one in three making love to their husbands more than twice a week.

Err ... okay.

[Mustard Seed]

How pathetic. You'll never see people like this taking humanity back to space...

What good is going to space if civilization dies?