America Mixes With The Nations

[Art Deco]

Hosea 7:8-9 Ephraim (America) mixes with the nations; Ephraim is a flat cake not turned over. Foreigners sap his strength but he does not realize it. His hair is sprinkled with gray, but he does not notice.


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From the article: "The influx of illegal aliens has serious hidden medical consequences," writes Madeleine Pelner Cosman, author of the report. "We judge reality primarily by what we see. But what we do not see can be more dangerous, and more deadly than what is seen."

According to her study, 84 California hospitals are closing their doors as a direct result of the rising number of illegal aliens and their non-reimbursed tax on the system.

"Illegal aliens simply cross our borders medically unexamined, hiding in their bodies any number of communicable diseases." Other health threats from illegals include, according to the report:

Chagas disease
Leprosy
Dengue fever
Polio
MalariaAmerica, foreigners sap her strength......:help:

[drbrumley]

Actually Art, I think your way off. Remember it was foreigners who came here and made this country better. Everyone is an ancestor of an immigrant here.

[drbrumley]

Unless you mean illegals. Then you are right.

[beefalobilly]

christianity and xenophobia don't mix. try again

[Crow]

Hosea 7:8-9 Ephraim (America) mixes with the nations; Ephraim is a flat cake not turned over. Foreigners sap his strength but he does not realize it. His hair is sprinkled with gray, but he does not notice.

Art, I think that was an instruction from the time that God's plan for the Jews was that they were to be a nation apart. He was still working specifically with that one group of people.

Since then, the gospel goes out to all nations.

I don't believe that illegal immigaration is a good thing. But legal immigration is.

I don't think that you'll find many legal immigrants that are any sorrier, lazier, or less appreciative of the US than some of our homegrown losers.

The main reason that I dislike illegal immigration is that you cannot check for criminal background or assure that they have the sponsors or resources to get off to a good start. This helps to steer them into the already engorged entitlement system.

[Art Deco]

Originally posted by drbrumley

Unless you mean illegals. Then you are right. Yep, illegal immigration. It's killing us...literally... :(

[Art Deco]

Originally posted by beefalobilly

christianity and xenophobia don't mix. try again Got a beef, take it up with God. It was His message to His people. :think:

[Art Deco]

Originally posted by Crow

Hosea 7:8-9

Art, I think that was an instruction from the time that God's plan for the Jews was that they were to be a nation apart. He was still working specifically with that one group of people.Since then, the gospel goes out to all nations.Crow, I'm taking the long view of history and scripture. America was founded under the guidance of divine providence. Even the crusty old Ben Franklin acknowledged that. The nation was founded by Christians for Christians and Jews using the Bible as their moral guide. The nation's leaders prayed to the Judeo/Christian God.

For Hosea 7:8-9 to have any meaning to God's people today, we must establish who God's people are. Without doubt they are Christians and Jews. Secondly, is God's word applicable to His people today? Or is fruitless to imply that it does by praying God Bless America?

God did set this nation apart. It is one of the world's most unique countries. It is one of the last bastions of morality in the Western World even with its moral decay. God has used this country in a mighty way to do good around the world. The U.S has had a special relationship as a guardian of the nation of Israel. We are God's chosen people. The Jews by their historical Old Testament connection with God, and Christians through our spiritual grafting into the olive root as a wild olive branch by faith. (Romans 11:17)




Posted by Crow: I don't believe that illegal immigaration is a good thing. But legal immigration is. I don't think that you'll find many legal immigrants that are any sorrier, lazier, or less appreciative of the US than some of our homegrown losers.

The main reason that I dislike illegal immigration is that you cannot check for criminal background or assure that they have the sponsors or resources to get off to a good start. This helps to steer them into the already engorged entitlement system. Crow, I have no objection to legal and controlled immigration. There was a good reason God sent Hosea to the Northern Kingdom and Ephraim. Through diversity and multi-culturalism the Israelites were losing their love and respect for God and His commandments. Hosea's message is just as timely in America today as it was in 750 B.C.

[Chileice]

Originally posted by Art Deco

Crow, I'm taking the long view of history and scripture. America was founded under the guidance of divine providence. Even the crusty old Ben Franklin acknowledged that. The nation was founded by Christians for Christians and Jews using the Bible as their moral guide. The nation's leaders prayed to the Judeo/Christian God.

For Hosea 7:8-9 to have any meaning to God's people today, we must establish who God's people are. Without doubt they are Christians and Jews. Secondly, is God's word applicable to His people today? Or is fruitless to imply that it does by praying God Bless America?

God did set this nation apart. It is one of the world's most unique countries. It is one of the last bastions of morality in the Western World even with its moral decay. God has used this country in a mighty way to do good around the world. The U.S has had a special relationship as a guardian of the nation of Israel. We are God's chosen people. The Jews by their historical Old Testament connection with God, and Christians through our spiritual grafting into the olive root as a wild olive branch by faith. (Romans 11:17)




Posted by Crow: Crow, I have no objection to legal and controlled immigration. There was a good reason God sent Hosea to the Northern Kingdom and Ephraim. Through diversity and multi-culturalism the Israelites were losing their love and respect for God and His commandments. Hosea's message is just as timely in America today as it was in 750 B.C.

Hate to break it to you, Art, but I don't believe you will see the Stars and Stripes flying at Heaven's Gate. You are living in a very myopic world. God certainly had a message for his people when Hosea spoke, but isogesis will not help you get at that message. You need to understand what i meant in his day and time for it to have any relevance today.

Christ is his chosen one. Those in Christ whether in Cuba, Bangladesh, Saudi Arabia, Brazil or wherever are his. His kingdom is not of this world as Jesus said. His kingdom has nothing to do with national borders or nationalistic or racial aspirations. Your verse would apply much more closely if you applied it to avoidinf syncretism rather than promoting xenophobia.

[Art Deco]

Originally posted by Chileice

Hate to break it to you, Art, but I don't believe you will see the Stars and Stripes flying at Heaven's Gate. You are living in a very myopic world. God certainly had a message for his people when Hosea spoke, but isogesis will not help you get at that message. You need to understand what i meant in his day and time for it to have any relevance today.

Christ is his chosen one. Those in Christ whether in Cuba, Bangladesh, Saudi Arabia, Brazil or wherever are his. His kingdom is not of this world as Jesus said. His kingdom has nothing to do with national borders or nationalistic or racial aspirations. Your verse would apply much more closely if you applied it to avoidinf syncretism rather than promoting xenophobia. Are you suggesting that Christians and Jews in America are not God's people? Are you suggesting that only Christians and Jews living in America are God's people? :confused:

[Chileice]

Originally posted by Art Deco

Are you suggesting that Christians and Jews in America are not God's people?

No they aren't. Jesus is God's chosen ONE and those that are in him are "chosen" though it has nothing to do with who they are but rather who Christ is.
Originally posted by Art Deco
Are suggesting that only Christians and Jews living in America are God's people? :confused:

No, certainly not. Read my previous post and what is written above.

[Morpheus]

As much as I would hate to openly admit it to her, my wife is an extremely intelligent enlightened individual. She works in the inner city in a school populated by nearly every race imaginable. This morning in Sunday School class we reached the point in Genesis where the Hebrews had been in Egypt long enough where the Pharoah didn't care about the promises made to Joseph and his family. The number of Hebrews had increased to a point where Pharoah worried that if they didn't do something the Hebrews might take over. My wife immediately leaned over and whispered to me, "Them Mexicans", in reference to comments made about how "they might just take over our country." Why are some always afraid of people because they are different from them? In many cases the difference would probably be an improvement.

[Art Deco]

Originally posted by Chileice

No they aren't. Jesus is God's chosen ONE and those that are in him are "chosen" though it has nothing to do with who they are but rather who Christ is. You don't know what you're talking about. In John 8:42-47, Jesus identifies who God's people are.

Verse 47: "He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God."

[Art Deco]

Originally posted by Morpheus Why are some always afraid of people because they are different from them? In many cases the difference would probably be an improvement. Spoken like a true Secular Humanist.

www.jcn.com/manifestos.html Read the Humanist Manifesto II under the heading: World CommunityWe deplore the division of humankind on nationalistic grounds. We have reached a turning point in human history where the best option is to transcend the limits of national sovereignty and to move toward the building of a world community in which all sectors of the human family can participate. Thus we look to the development of a system of world law and a world order based upon transnational federal government

[Granite]

Art, I think you're missing the point. Illegal immigration's a problem, and we need to deal with it. Immigration on its own is not an evil. Remember, cultures come and go, and ours is no different. To think that America will always be white and Protestant is simply not realistic. History does not work that way.

[Gerald]

Originally posted by Art Deco

Hosea 7:8-9


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From the article: America, foreigners sap her strength......:help: And her precious bodily fluids. Won't someone think of the precious bodily fluids?

:chuckle:

[Granite]

Originally posted by Gerald

And her precious bodily fluids. Won't someone think of the precious bodily fluids?

:chuckle:

:darwinsm:

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