Who is a commie?

[elected4ever]

Frank has accused me of being a commie. No I am not a communist in the social and economic bent.

Communism is a term that can refer to one of several things: a social and economic system, an ideology which supports that system, or a political movement that wishes to implement that system.

As a theoretical social and economic system, communism would be a type of egalitarian society with no state, no privately owned means of production and no social classes. In communism, all property is owned by the community as a whole, and all people have equal social and economic status. Theoretically, human need or advancement is not left unsatisfied because of poverty, and is rather solved through distribution of property as needed. This is thus often the system proposed to solve the poverty cycle. Communism entails the abolition of the state, a communist state is a logical impossibility.

[drRansom]

Originally posted by elected4ever

Frank has accused me of being a commie. No I am not a communist in the social and economic bent.



Who cares what the neoconservative twits here like Frank call you. Seriously, don't let it bug you. Their own words condemn them and I think that most of the objective posters here and those who peruse the forums see through their hypocrisy and lies.

[BillyBob]

What lies?

[elected4ever]

Originally posted by BillyBob

What lies? self delushion:D

[BillyBob]

That's not the same as lying.

[Gerald]

Originally posted by BillyBob
That's not the same as lying. It's lying to yourself. You know, like the notion that people become something other than memories and worm food after they die...? :chuckle:

[aikido7]

Is being a commie anything like belonging to a single party structure with a cult-like adoration of their maximum leader?

Or a chronic inability to admit your wrongs?

Or a penchant for supporting for a news media that's a mouthpiece for the political party?

Or a disregard for individual liberties or a special, wealthy class in the Party that has special rules for them?

Call it communism, call it patriotism--it's alive and well in the Republican Party....

[elected4ever]

Originally posted by aikido7 :blabla:

Is being a commie anything like belonging to a single party structure with a cult-like adoration of their maximum leader?

Or a chronic inability to admit your wrongs?

Or a penchant for supporting for a news media that's a mouthpiece for the political party?

Or a disregard for individual liberties or a special, wealthy class in the Party that has special rules for them?

Call it communism, call it patriotism--it's alive and well in the Republican Party.... You describe yourself pretty well:zakath: :loser:

[aikido7]

You describe yourself pretty well
Are you sure? I belong to no party, adore no leader, often admit that I am full of it, do not pay attention to FoxNews and its hatchlings, am suspicious of the Patriot Act and see Bush as a liar who is giving the rich perks while he runs the country into a ditch.

What, specifically, are you talking about?

[BillyBob]

:Commie:

[SOTK]

Originally posted by elected4ever

Frank has accused me of being a commie. No I am not a communist in the social and economic bent.

Communism is a term that can refer to one of several things: a social and economic system, an ideology which supports that system, or a political movement that wishes to implement that system.

As a theoretical social and economic system, communism would be a type of egalitarian society with no state, no privately owned means of production and no social classes. In communism, all property is owned by the community as a whole, and all people have equal social and economic status. Theoretically, human need or advancement is not left unsatisfied because of poverty, and is rather solved through distribution of property as needed. This is thus often the system proposed to solve the poverty cycle. Communism entails the abolition of the state, a communist state is a logical impossibility.

I'm not sure you are a "commie" or not, e4e. A jerk sometimes perhaps! :p

[Mr. 5020]

Originally posted by SOTK

I'm not sure you are a "commie" or not, e4e. A jerk sometimes perhaps! :p Sometimes?

[SOTK]

Originally posted by Mr. 5020

Sometimes?

;)


:angel:

[Frank Ernest]

Originally posted by :mock::aikido:7

Are you sure? I belong to no party,
:Commie:

adore no leader,
Karl Marx :liberals:

often admit that I am full of it,
:darwinsm:

do not pay attention
:thumb:

to FoxNews and its hatchlings,
ABCNBCCBSCNNNPR :Commie:

am suspicious of the Patriot Act
All :Commie:s are :noid:

and see Bush as a liar who is giving the rich perks while he runs the country into a ditch.
:Commie: :cow:

What, specifically, are you talking about?
See all of the above. :nananana:

[Delmar]

Originally posted by aikido7

Are you sure? I belong to no party, adore no leader, often admit that I am full of it, do not pay attention to FoxNews and its hatchlings, am suspicious of the Patriot Act and see Bush as a liar who is giving the rich perks while he runs the country into a ditch.

What, specifically, are you talking about? Yoy adore Micheal Moore!

[elected4ever]

Originally posted by SOTK

I'm not sure you are a "commie" or not, e4e. A jerk sometimes perhaps! :p My wife says I am a jurk all the time:eek:

[Lucky]

Originally posted by Frank Ernest

quote:

am suspicious of the Patriot Act

All :Commie:s are :noid:
:doh: I'm a :Commie:

[drRansom]

Originally posted by Lucky

:doh: I'm a :Commie:

Everybody should be worried about the Patriot Act.

[drbrumley]

You see guys, On Fire is a wimp. His liberty as an American Is not at the top of his list. He would rather give his liberty up so he can be safe and secure. On Fire bought the big lie. And the big lie is the terrorists and anybody who oppose American intervention hate us because we are free and prosperous. On Fire believes and rightly so when Bin Laden says he is responsible for 9/11. On Fire also believes Bin Laden when he says he will strike again. But On Fire doesn't beleive Bin Laden when Bin Laden gave his reasons for hating America. On Fire just doesn't care we stick our noses where it doesn't belong and can't believe it when someone smacks us.

[Morpheus]

Originally posted by drbrumley

You see guys, On Fire is a wimp. His liberty as an American Is not at the top of his list. He would rather give his liberty up so he can be safe and secure. On Fire bought the big lie. And the big lie is the terrorists and anybody who oppose American intervention hate us because we are free and prosperous. On Fire believes and rightly so when Bin Laden says he is responsible for 9/11. On Fire also believes Bin Laden when he says he will strike again. But On Fire doesn't beleive Bin Laden when Bin Laden gave his reasons for hating America. On Fire just doesn't care we stick our noses where it doesn't belong and can't believe it when someone smacks us BACK . You forgot a word.

[BillyBob]

Originally posted by drRansom

Everybody should be worried about the Patriot Act.

:darwinsm:

[BillyBob]

I hear that too much Crack will make a person paranoid....might wanna put that pipe down, Ransom.

[elected4ever]

Originally posted by BillyBob

I hear that too much Crack will make a person paranoid....might wanna put that pipe down, Ransom. :sozo:I hear smoking weed makes you mellow and you walk around in a daze. Billy Bob, stop smoking all that weed!:shocked: It has made you :kookoo:

[drbrumley]

Billybob,

Laugh it up big man.

Almost all of the new laws focus on American citizens rather than potential foreign terrorists. For example, the definition of "terrorism" for federal criminal purposes has been greatly expanded; you now may be considered a terrorist if you belong to a pro-constitution group, a citizens militia, or various pro-life organizations. Legitimate protest against the government could place you (and tens of thousands of other Americans) under federal surveillance. Similarly, your internet use can be monitored without your knowledge, and your internet provider can be forced to hand over user information to law enforcement without a warrant or subpoena.

The bill also greatly expands the use of traditional surveillance tools, including wiretaps, search warrants, and subpoenas. Probable cause standards for these tools are relaxed or even eliminated in some circumstances; warrants become easier to obtain and can be executed without your knowledge; and wiretaps can be placed on you without a court order. In fact, the FBI and CIA now can tap phones or computers nationwide without even demonstrating that a particular phone or computer is being used by a criminal suspect.

The biggest problem with these new law enforcement powers is that they bear little relationship to fighting terrorism. Surveillance powers are greatly expanded, while checks and balances on government are greatly reduced. Most of the provisions have been sought after by domestic law enforcement agencies for years, not to fight terrorism, but rather to increase their police power over the American people. There is no evidence that our previously-held civil liberties posed a barrier to the effective tracking or prosecution of terrorists. The federal government has made no showing that it failed to detect or prevent the recent terrorist strikes because of the civil liberties that will be compromised by this new legislation.

[drbrumley]

Originally posted by Morpheus

You forgot a word.

I'll give you that.

[BillyBob]

You guys complain when terrorists attack the US. You pretend that they didn't hit the Pentagon on 9-11 and then complain again when the government passes laws to protect you.

:kookoo:

[drbrumley]

Oh brother!!!!!
Get a clue and come back later.

[drbrumley]

Just keep ignoring it Billy, it isn't going away.

Maybe one day you will be a receipent of the Patriot Act or Patriot Act II and they will throw you in jail for critizing a democratic president.

[BillyBob]

Hey, you are the paranoid shizophrenic who actually believes the Pentagon was never attacked on 9-11. What other paranoid delusions do you have concerning the Patriot Act?

[elected4ever]

Originally posted by BillyBob

Hey, you are the paranoid schizophrenic who actually believes the Pentagon was never attacked on 9-11. What other paranoid delusions do you have concerning the Patriot Act? So the terrorist have won. You are so scared of your shadow that you are willing to give up your liberty for the sake of safety. You sure sound like a liberal.

[drbrumley]

Originally posted by BillyBob

Hey, you are the paranoid shizophrenic who actually believes the Pentagon was never attacked on 9-11. What other paranoid delusions do you have concerning the Patriot Act?

You misspelled "I have no answer to that so I am going to resort to ad homim attacks."

[Frank Ernest]

Originally posted by drbrumley

You misspelled "I have no answer to that so I am going to resort to ad homim attacks."
And then we have ...
drbrumley
You see guys, On Fire is a wimp. His liberty as an American Is not at the top of his list. He would rather give his liberty up so he can be safe and secure. On Fire bought the big lie. And the big lie is the terrorists and anybody who oppose American intervention hate us because we are free and prosperous. On Fire believes and rightly so when Bin Laden says he is responsible for 9/11. On Fire also believes Bin Laden when he says he will strike again. But On Fire doesn't beleive Bin Laden when Bin Laden gave his reasons for hating America. On Fire just doesn't care we stick our noses where it doesn't belong and can't believe it when someone smacks us.
:darwinsm:

[BillyBob]

Originally posted by elected4ever

You are so scared of your shadow that you are willing to give up your liberty for the sake of safety.

You are a liar on both counts.

[BillyBob]

Originally posted by drbrumley

You misspelled "I have no answer to that so I am going to resort to ad homim attacks."

First of all, I stated a fact, you don't think that the Pentagon was attacked by a hijacked plane on 9-11.

The second part of my post was actually a question.

Don't believe me? Go read it again. :banana:

[On Fire]

Originally posted by drbrumley

You see guys, On Fire is a wimp. His liberty as an American Is not at the top of his list. He would rather give his liberty up so he can be safe and secure. On Fire bought the big lie. And the big lie is the terrorists and anybody who oppose American intervention hate us because we are free and prosperous. On Fire believes and rightly so when Bin Laden says he is responsible for 9/11. On Fire also believes Bin Laden when he says he will strike again. But On Fire doesn't beleive Bin Laden when Bin Laden gave his reasons for hating America. On Fire just doesn't care we stick our noses where it doesn't belong and can't believe it when someone smacks us.
:confused: I haven't posted in this thread.

[BillyBob]

That's what makes you an easy target.

[On Fire]

I have a question. If drRansom is Alice (the housekeeper on The Brady Bunch), who is drbrumley?

[BillyBob]

Originally posted by On Fire

I have a question. If drRansom is Alice (the housekeeper on The Brady Bunch), who is drbrumley?

The guy with the wrong hand on his chest.

[elected4ever]

Originally posted by BillyBob

You are a liar on both counts. No I am not Beer Breath. You are just so blind you can't see what is being sold to you.

[BillyBob]

Let me remind you what you said, Pops:

" You are so scared of your shadow that you are willing to give up your liberty for the sake of safety."

I am not 'scared of my shadow'. That's Lie #1.

I am not willing to give up any of my liberty. That's Lie #2.

You are a liar.

Shame on you! :nono:

[elected4ever]

Originally posted by BillyBob

Let me remind you what you said, Pops:

" You are so scared of your shadow that you are willing to give up your liberty for the sake of safety."

I am not 'scared of my shadow'. That's Lie #1.

I am not willing to give up any of my liberty. That's Lie #2.

You are a liar.

Shame on you! :nono: Then why are you accepting theses attacks on the liberty of us all without complaint? Why should you accept bring treated as a common criminal when you have never had due process of law? Why do you accept an administration that has empirical design on both its domestic policy as a well as its foreign policy?

[drbrumley]

I hear crickets!!!!

[Frank Ernest]

Originally posted by :e4e:

Then why are you accepting theses attacks on the liberty of us all without complaint? Why should you accept bring treated as a common criminal when you have never had due process of law? Why do you accept an administration that has empirical design on both its domestic policy as a well as its foreign policy?
How did you get so disoriented as to believe any of that?

[elected4ever]

Originally posted by Frank Ernest

How did you get so disoriented as to believe any of that? 40 years of government observation and lies

[elected4ever]

Research of 100 years of history.

[Frank Ernest]

Sure didn't learn much, did you?
:mrt: Foo'

[elected4ever]

Originally posted by Frank Ernest

Sure didn't learn much, did you?
:mrt: Foo' More than you:zakath: :doh:

[BillyBob]

Originally posted by elected4ever

40 years of government observation and lies



Originally posted by elected4ever

Research of 100 years of history.



And countless bottles of Moonshine. :dizzy:

[elected4ever]

Originally posted by BillyBob

And countless bottles of Moonshine. :dizzy: Beats beer:devil:

[Morpheus]

Originally posted by elected4ever

40 years of government observation and lies

Research of 100 years of history. But it isn't their version of history so it doesn't count. When the history you researched is published with pictures, thought bubbles and captions maybe they will read it.

[aikido7]

Who is a commie?

The streets of our country are in turmoil. The universities are full of students rebelling and rioting. Communists are seeking to destroy our country. Russia is threatening us with her might and the Republic is in danger. Yes, danger from within and without. We need law and order. Without law and order our nation cannot survive. Elect us and we shall restore law and order.

--Adolf Hitler
1931

[BillyBob]

Originally posted by aikido7

Who is a commie?


You!

[Frank Ernest]

Originally posted by :mock::aikido:7

Who is a commie?
Look in mirror. Take photo. :jump:

The streets of our country are in turmoil. The universities are full of students rebelling and rioting. Communists are seeking to destroy our country. Russia is threatening us with her might and the Republic is in danger. Yes, danger from within and without. We need law and order. Without law and order our nation cannot survive. Elect us and we shall restore law and order.

--Adolf Hitler
1931
:yawn: You :Commie:s used that same Hitler quote against Richard Nixon many times. You stuck in some kind of time warp or something? :kookoo:

[aikido7]

Is that the same Nixon who went to Communist China?

And the cry for "law and order" is a historically typical political cry for power. Just because Nixon used it doesn't mean it is not used for all right-wing defense talk....

I was trying to get you guys to chill and recognize your bogeyman game. Very profitable for scapegoating, but wrong-headed.

Didn't Karl Marx believe that communism would arise as a result of all the injustices, principally to the working classes, and create a utopian cooperative society? Redistribution of wealth and perfecting people's lives is an impossible task. People are generally too selfish for any self-organizing model similar to communism to work. And there is always the danger of abuse.

Capitalism doesn't help the disadvantaged. As presently practiced it benefits the greedy. It does not encourage biblical altruism or justice (though it is of course 'fair'). It is very good at sustaining itself, though.

Most would rather keep their lives stable rather than pleasant. I guess your inner children keep screaming "Don't rock the boat," never having the farsightedness to realize a boat rocks anyway, passengers jockey for position and the boat keeps rocking.

Like Job, you need to take your complaint to Jehovah, not your fellow man.

[Frank Ernest]

Originally posted by :mock::aikido:7

Is that the same Nixon who went to Communist China?
Yes.

And the cry for "law and order" is a historically typical political cry for power. Just because Nixon used it doesn't mean it is not used for all right-wing defense talk....
You're wandering again ... :hammer:

I was trying to get you guys to chill and recognize your bogeyman game. Very profitable for scapegoating, but wrong-headed.
Huh? :confused:

Didn't Karl Marx believe that communism would arise as a result of all the injustices, principally to the working classes, and create a utopian cooperative society? Redistribution of wealth and perfecting people's lives is an impossible task. People are generally too selfish for any self-organizing model similar to communism to work. And there is always the danger of abuse.
:shocked: Well, no :cow:!

Capitalism doesn't help the disadvantaged. As presently practiced it benefits the greedy. It does not encourage biblical altruism or justice (though it is of course 'fair'). It is very good at sustaining itself, though.
:cow: Capitalism benefits everybody who is willing to work. Capitalism mitigates greed by free-market competition.

Most would rather keep their lives stable rather than pleasant. I guess your inner children keep screaming "Don't rock the boat," never having the farsightedness to realize a boat rocks anyway, passengers jockey for position and the boat keeps rocking.
Psychobabble and mixed metaphors which make no sense.

Like Job, you need to take your complaint to Jehovah, not your fellow man.
:dunce:

[Morpheus]

Originally posted by Frank Ernest
Capitalism benefits everybody who is willing to work. Tell that to the millions of underemployed here who still scrape to get by. Tell that to the workers in Indonesia, Malasia, Mexico, China, etc. who work extreme hours under adverse conditions to manufacture products for sale in the first world capitalist nations, generating obsene profits for multinational capitalists. Those who are working are taken advantage of and earn next to nothing, while huge profits are earned by those who sit at desks and spend their off hours at the country club.Capitalism mitigates greed by free-market competition.
How does capitalism "mitigate", (soften, reduce, ease), greed by creating "competition", (a contest between rivals, competitors). Both are striving for more. That is greed.

[Morpheus]

1 John 2:15-17
15Do not love the world or anything in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16For everything in the world–the cravings of sinful man, the lust of his eyes and the boasting of what he has and does–comes not from the Father but from the world. 17The world and its desires pass away, but the man who does the will of God lives forever.

[elected4ever]

Originally posted by Morpheus

Socialism states that all have the same and all benefit from the enterprise. This philosophy removes all incentive to work. I find that people are willing to take but few are willing to suffer the loss. So where is your greed argument now. You are willing to take (steel) from the productivity of others but only wont the other to suffer in times of lose. You wont to be protected from the absence of substance.

To produce takes risk. The risk takers should benefit the most from the enterprise. The constitution says that we all have the right to pursue not the right to possess. The government is in no way responsible to see to it that you have success or a living wage. It only gives you the right to be protected in your pursuit of those things.

[BillyBob]

Originally posted by Michael Moorepheus

Tell that to the millions of underemployed here who still scrape to get by.

At least they have a job. If they want to earn more, they have the same opportunity as anyone else in a capitalist society. The reality is that some people are lazy and some are just plain stupid. Oh well.

Tell that to the workers in Indonesia, Malasia, Mexico, China, etc.

I didn't realize that those are capitalist countries.

who work extreme hours under adverse conditions to manufacture products for sale in the first world capitalist nations, generating obsene profits for multinational capitalists.

Nothing wrong with profits. And the realitry is that those people would have NOTHING if it weren't for those corporations providing employment!

Those who are working are taken advantage of and earn next to nothing, while huge profits are earned by those who sit at desks and spend their off hours at the country club.

So?

How does capitalism "mitigate", (soften, reduce, ease), greed by creating "competition", (a contest between rivals, competitors). Both are striving for more. That is greed.

Because competition keeps prices down.

You really are a commie, Morpheus. :Commie:

[BillyBob]

Originally posted by elected4ever

To produce takes risk. The risk takers should benefit the most from the enterprise. The constitution says that we all have the right to pursue not the right to possess. The government is in no way responsible to see to it that you have success or a living wage. It only gives you the right to be protected in your pursuit of those things.

Exactly! :thumb:

[Frank Ernest]

Originally posted by Morbideus

Tell that to the millions of underemployed here who still scrape to get by. Tell that to the workers in Indonesia, Malasia, Mexico, China, etc. who work extreme hours under adverse conditions to manufacture products for sale in the first world capitalist nations, generating obsene profits for multinational capitalists. Those who are working are taken advantage of and earn next to nothing, while huge profits are earned by those who sit at desks and spend their off hours at the country club. How does capitalism "mitigate", (soften, reduce, ease), greed by creating "competition", (a contest between rivals, competitors). Both are striving for more. That is greed.
Well, great, big, boo-hoo tears! :Commie: :loser:
The reason these people are in the position they're in is because of their socialistic, greedy, aggressive despotic governments who pander to your favored multinational greedy business bosses who are enjoying the hell out of their obscene profits which WOULD NOT BE POSSIBLE without the aid and comfort of your loving socialist, despotic governments.

:mrt: Foo'

[aikido7]

The reason these people are in the position they're in is because of their socialistic, greedy, aggressive despotic governments who pander to your favored multinational greedy business bosses who are enjoying the hell out of their obscene profits which WOULD NOT BE POSSIBLE without the aid and comfort of your loving socialist, despotic governments.

There's hope for you yet. Glad to see you're making connectioins. Now you've got to really pay attention to what you just said....

[BillyBob]

:yawn:

[Gerald]

Originally posted by Frank Earnest
...greedy business bosses who are enjoying the hell out of their obscene profits...Careful there. You're talking about some of BillyBob's best friends... :chuckle:

Which reminds me: hey, BB, do you know if a Rolex keeps better time than a Timex?

[BillyBob]

Nope. I have a $17 Timex that keeps time just fine.

[Gerald]

Originally posted by BillyBob
Nope. I have a $17 Timex that keeps time just fine. Kinda makes you wonder why folks bother buying the things.

[BillyBob]

I never would. :nono:

I'm not a jewelry person, I don't even buy any for Mrs. BillyBob. :cool:

[Frank Ernest]

Originally posted by :mock::aikido:7

There's hope for you yet. Glad to see you're making connectioins. Now you've got to really pay attention to what you just said....
I did. You didn't, obviously. :rolleyes:

That is, unless you would like to make the case for socialist despotic governments. :shocked:

[BillyBob]

Aikidos favorite ......

[Morpheus]

So, let me see if I understand. It's good that large corporations can move their factories to third-world countries to cut wages from $$$/hr to $1./day. That way normal people in first-world economies can make less because of reduced demand and those employees working for $1./12hr day can buy a stick to burn to keep from freezing. How benevolent.

What y'all just can't handle is the reality that capitalism is the primary source of war, strife, and destruction in existence today. It always has been. James 4:1-4
1 What causes fights and quarrels among you? Don't they come from your desires that battle within you? 2 You want something but don't get it. You kill and covet, but you cannot have what you want. You quarrel and fight. You do not have, because you do not ask God. 3 When you ask, you do not receive, because you ask with wrong motives, that you may spend what you get on your pleasures.
4 You adulterous people, don't you know that friendship with the world is hatred toward God? Anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God.You are all caught up in your training. "Don't be greedy", but then give a list of exemptions for greed. "All men are created equal", but some are more equal than others. "We have been created in God's image", but then spend your adult lives trying to make God's image fit your world view. Luke 6:20-26
20 Looking at his disciples, he said: “Blessed are you who are poor,
for yours is the kingdom of God. 21 Blessed are you who hunger now,
for you will be satisfied. Blessed are you who weep now,
for you will laugh. 22 Blessed are you when men hate you,
when they exclude you and insult you
and reject your name as evil, because of the Son of Man.

23 “Rejoice in that day and leap for joy, because great is your reward in heaven. For that is how their fathers treated the prophets. 24 “But woe to you who are rich,
for you have already received your comfort.25 Woe to you who are well fed now,
for you will go hungry. Woe to you who laugh now,
for you will mourn and weep. 26 Woe to you when all men speak well of you,
for that is how their fathers treated the false prophets.

[BillyBob]

Your definition of greed is any earnings derived from hard work. :kookoo:

[drbrumley]

Those who support assisted suicide are nazi's and commies.

[BillyBob]

Those who support assisted suicide are nazi's and commies.

For the most part, yes.

If they force a braindamaged woman to starve to death, they most certainly are Nazi's and Commies.

[drbrumley]

The Christain Community for the most part has given its blessing to this FORCED suicide. Freakin Commies.

[BillyBob]

It has not. :nono:

[drbrumley]

It has not. :nono:Oh yes they have, National Right to Life has, dominated and I would say exclusively Christian. That idiot Sean Hannity has. It is ok if she had a written directive. Thats what they say. And thats inherently WRONG!!!

[BillyBob]

The point is that she DIDN"T have a written directive.

I have no problem with a person deciding that if they are only being kept alive by life support [which is not the case here] because they are in a permanent vegetative state [which is not the case here] they should be allowed to die. It's only in the last 50 years that technology allows us to keep people alive unaturally who would otherwise die. [which is not the case here]

Death is a part of life, Doc.

Sometimes your number comes up and it's time to go.

[elected4ever]

It has not. :nono:The right to life movement has turned into a bunch of Nazis. If someone is not productive then kill them. They are just a burden on society. Just a bunch of :Commie:

[BillyBob]

:confused:

:kookoo:

[elected4ever]

:confused:

:kookoo:Then what do you call those who believe death on demand?

[BillyBob]

Define 'Death on Demand'.

[elected4ever]

Define 'Death on Demand'.The court ordered murdering of innocent people because they are a burden to someone or the court ok to commit suicide

[BillyBob]

Conservative Christians don't support that. You guys are nuts......

[drbrumley]

Conservative Christians don't support that. You guys are nuts......

Then why is the National Right to Life promoting it is ok to have the tube removed if she has a written directive?

[BillyBob]

She Doesn't have a written directive.

[elected4ever]

Then why is the National Right to Life promoting it is ok to have the tube removed if she has a written directive?grate question :sigh:

[drbrumley]

She Doesn't have a written directive.
Right and we agree on this. My point is "IF" she did have one, then it is ok. See where I am coming from.

[drbrumley]

The majority of Christians say it is OK to assist in suicide. Thats what Im saying provided that person has a WRITTEN DIRECTIVE. That is just plain wrong.

[BillyBob]

Ah, but there is more to it. Terri is not in a presistent vegetative state, so it wouldn't apply in this case.

[BillyBob]

The majority of Christians say it is OK to assist in suicide.

Prove it.

Thats what Im saying provided that person has a WRITTEN DIRECTIVE. That is just plain wrong.

Not neccesarily......

[drbrumley]

Ah, but there is more to it. Terri is not in a presistent vegetative state, so it wouldn't apply in this case.

Agreed. Thats why Christians are fighting this. But if she DID have a decree, no matter if she is in Minor Conceince state or Veggie state, Christians say now it is ok to assist in here dying if she so desires.

[BillyBob]

Well, maybe you should consider becoming a Buddhist.

[drbrumley]

Right!!!!! Sorry I know who my saviour is.

[The Edge]

it has to be looked at on a case by case basis. i can see a case for Terri but she should have been allowed to die unassisted 17 years ago. it's a shame this has gone on and become a national issue. it should not have been this way

[aikido7]

Title: Native American Nationalists?
Post by Todesengel on Mar 19th, 2004, 12:09am
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Hello all.
My name is Jeff Weise, a Native American from the Red Lake "Indian" reservation in Minnesota. I'm interested in joining the group, as I support your ideals and even though I am young, I still want to join. What is the age requirement (if any)?
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Title: Re: Native American Nationalists?
Post by BlueEyedDevil on Mar 19th, 2004, 12:29am
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There is none that I am aware of; we welcome all ages and all nationalities, regardless of your back-ground. Our main goal here is to educate and inform--in hopes of creating a better world for all of us. I welcome you, Jeff! What brings you to the forum?
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Title: Re: Native American Nationalists?
Post by Todesengel on Mar 19th, 2004, 1:15am
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Thank you.
What brings me to the forum? Well, I stumbled across the site in my study of the Third Reich as well as Nazism, amongst other things. I guess I've always carried a natural admiration for Hitler and his ideals, and his courage to take on larger nations. I also have a natural dis-like for communism.

[Frank Ernest]

Title: Native American Nationalists?
Post by Todesengel on Mar 19th, 2004, 12:09am
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Hello all.
My name is Jeff Weise, a Native American from the Red Lake "Indian" reservation in Minnesota. I'm interested in joining the group, as I support your ideals and even though I am young, I still want to join. What is the age requirement (if any)?
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Title: Re: Native American Nationalists?
Post by BlueEyedDevil on Mar 19th, 2004, 12:29am
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There is none that I am aware of; we welcome all ages and all nationalities, regardless of your back-ground. Our main goal here is to educate and inform--in hopes of creating a better world for all of us. I welcome you, Jeff! What brings you to the forum?
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Title: Re: Native American Nationalists?
Post by Todesengel on Mar 19th, 2004, 1:15am
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Thank you.
What brings me to the forum? Well, I stumbled across the site in my study of the Third Reich as well as Nazism, amongst other things. I guess I've always carried a natural admiration for Hitler and his ideals, and his courage to take on larger nations. I also have a natural dis-like for communism.
And this is relevant to ... ?

[BillyBob]

it has to be looked at on a case by case basis. i can see a case for Terri but she should have been allowed to die unassisted 17 years ago. it's a shame this has gone on and become a national issue. it should not have been this way


17 years ago she was able to eat food without a feeding tube. Why would you want to kill her?

[BillyBob]

And this is relevant to ... ?

His own delusions...

[aikido7]

And this is relevant to ... ?

Grunt a little more; I'm sure you can figure it out...




...uh, can't you?

[BillyBob]

See? :rolleyes:

[Frank Ernest]

See? :rolleyes:
:darwinsm: Oh Yeah!

[aikido7]

"...Communists are seeking to destroy this country..."--Adolf Hitler

[BillyBob]

Now he's quoting Hitler~ :doh:

[Frank Ernest]

Now he's quoting Hitler~ :doh:
It does appear that :aikido:7 finds much of Hitler to be intriguing enough to quote. I suspect a failure of perception to realize, from the historical record, that Hitler and Stalin were much the same kinda guy. Both were hell-bent (perhaps literally so) on dominating the world. Both were murderous autocrats. Hitler grabbed more of the headlines because he was obviously the more aggressive. Stalin was able to successfully portray himself and Russia as victims of Nazi aggression.

What makes Hitler more quotable is the totally misguided perception among Stalinists that Hitler was, somehow magically, a "right-wing" politician. Therefore, it becomes a political tactic to attempt a delusional line of thought that would sway the body politic to assume that anyone who holds "right-wing" or, in modern-day terms "conservative" views must be, somehow magically, aligned with the views of Adolph Hitler.

Now, it is quite possible to pull a quote from anyone, sans context or perspective, which uses the same words or linguistic concepts as someone else who did not hold the same views or perspectives. Such tactics are rather offensive to the critical mind as they reduce context and perspective to mere matter of opinion. However, mere opinion must fade away in the light of historical realities.

One may attempt by using such a tactic to compare anyone with anyone for whatever scurrilous purpose. One can only suspect that the motives of such a person would be to evoke an emotional response of agreement without any critical review of the person quoted. At the very least, there is an intellectual dishonesty involved which is quite revolting to the disciplined mind.

Time for :coffee:

[BillyBob]

Aikido is a Commie. [Happy Fellowship Week]

[Frank Ernest]

I am reminded of those stirring, ringing and tearful words uttered by the philosopher-felon, Rodney King. "Why can't we all just get along?"

There are appropriate answers to this lofty question of basic human commerce. However, they will have to wait for a more propitious time. In about a week, I would say.
:darwinsm:

[BillyBob]

:eek:

[Frank Ernest]

Be patient, :BillyBob:. I'm sure your fellowship and forebearance will be more than rewarded. :D

Say, in less than a week. Say "hi" to your Mom for me. I'm certain she is a wonderful and lovely person. :cloud9: