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drbrumley
March 14th, 2005, 04:24 PM
March 14, 2005


Most Americans are vaguely aware that Congress has run up huge deficits in recent years, but the numbers involved are so large that it’s hard to grasp what our government’s indebtedness really means to us as individuals. The total federal debt is quickly approaching $8 trillion, courtesy of an administration that borrows roughly one billion dollars every day to pay its bills.

Ultimately, the U.S. government will either repay its debts or default on them. We need only look at the Argentine debt crisis of 2001 for an example of what happens when a government fails to make even minimum payments to creditors. The Argentine economy virtually collapsed, and the value of her money tumbled. This is something most Americans cannot fathom, especially a political class that mistakenly thinks it can’t happen here.

Repaying trillions of dollars will not be easy, however. Interest payments alone already consume nearly 10% of the annual federal budget, and Congress shows no sign of abating its spending appetite anytime soon. In fact, present spending rates will produce single-year deficits of $1 trillion in coming years unless the public finally gets fed up and demands an end to it.

When the federal government spends more each year than it collects in tax revenues, it has three choices: It can raise taxes, print money, or borrow money. While these actions may benefit politicians, all three options are bad for average Americans.

Deficits mean future tax increases, pure and simple. Deficit spending should be viewed as a tax on future generations, and politicians who create deficits should be exposed as tax hikers. The federal government still consumes more of the private economy than it ever has except during World War II, despite the administration’s anti-tax rhetoric.

Deficits mean more monetary inflation. Deficit spending necessitates the creation of more fiat dollars by the Federal Reserve to keep the government afloat. Congress knows it can always fall back on the Fed money machine, which of course encourages more deficit spending. It’s a vicious cycle that ultimately makes every dollar you have worth less.

Deficits mean more borrowing overseas, which threatens U.S. sovereignty. Never before has the American economy depended so much on the actions of foreign governments and central banks. China and other foreign creditors could in essence wage economic war against us simply by dumping their huge holdings of U.S. dollars, driving the value of those dollars sharply downward and severely damaging our economy. Every dollar the federal government borrows makes us less secure as a nation, by making America beholden to interests outside our borders.

The economic situation today is reminiscent of the 1970s. The economic malaise of that era resulted from the profligacy of the 1960s, when Congress wildly expanded the welfare state and fought an expensive war in southeast Asia. Large federal deficits led to stagflation-- a combination of high price inflation, high interest rates, high unemployment, and stagnant economic growth. I fear that today’s economic fundamentals are worse than the 1970s: federal deficits are higher, the supply of fiat dollars is much greater, and personal savings rates are much lower. If the federal government won’t stop spending, borrowing, printing, and taxing, we may find ourselves in far worse shape than 30 years ago.
Cite (http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2005/tst031405.htm)

BillyBob
March 14th, 2005, 04:29 PM
Good, let the whole thing collapse so we can revolt and start this thing over again. [this time, no income tax and no commie social programs!]

drbrumley
March 14th, 2005, 04:33 PM
Originally posted by BillyBob

Good, let the whole thing collapse so we can revolt and start this thing over again. [this time, no income tax and no commie social programs!]

:up:

drbrumley
March 14th, 2005, 04:36 PM
I'll take thaT back. We should not let it get this far. When this day comes, it will be bad. If you thought the 70's were bad, you ain't seen nothing yet.

BillyBob
March 14th, 2005, 04:38 PM
I don't expect it to be pretty or fun, but it may have to come to that for any real change to occur.

drbrumley
March 14th, 2005, 04:45 PM
I agree with that.

Gerald
March 14th, 2005, 04:46 PM
Originally posted by BillyBob
Good, let the whole thing collapse so we can revolt and start this thing over again. [this time, no income tax and no commie social programs!] Since you've started a grocery list here, any other things you might want for your shiny new country?

I'll add "abandonment of superstition and belief in the supernatural." No good can come from clinging to such things.

drbrumley
March 14th, 2005, 04:53 PM
Originally posted by Gerald

Since you've started a grocery list here, any other things you might want for your shiny new country?

I'll add "abandonment of superstition and belief in the supernatural." No good can come from clinging to such things. :zakath:

Gerald
March 14th, 2005, 05:02 PM
Originally posted by drbrumley
:zakath: All right, wise guy.

What good has come from clinging to superstition and belief in the supernatural?

(Now, if you want to claim that there is a supernatural, then I double-dog dare you to meet me in the Paranormal forum.)

BillyBob
March 14th, 2005, 05:10 PM
Oh no, the dreaded Double-Dog Dare! :shocked:

Gerald
March 14th, 2005, 05:16 PM
Originally posted by BillyBob
Oh no, the dreaded Double-Dog Dare! :shocked: We'll see if he's got the chops... :chuckle:

Morpheus
March 14th, 2005, 09:14 PM
Originally posted by Gerald

Since you've started a grocery list here, any other things you might want for your shiny new country?

I'll add "abandonment of superstition and belief in the supernatural." No good can come from clinging to such things. In spite of relativism one undisputable fact is that if something is true it is true and if it is false it is false. One person believes that the earth revolves around the sun and another believes that the sun revolves around the earth. Both can't be right. Both are convinced in their own mind that they are the one that is right. God either is or he isn't. The truth is not contingent on someones opinion. I firmly believe that he does exist. I will attempt to live my life according to that belief. You believe otherwise and choose to live accordingly. If I in fact am correct, when I die it will be wonderful and if I'm wrong (not) I haven't really lost anything. I have enjoyed the life I have chosen. If you are correct then when you die that's it, nada, poof, gone, and you still have nothing to show for it. But if you are incorrect you will have eternity to kick yourself. But that will be the least of your concerns.

drbrumley
March 14th, 2005, 09:46 PM
Originally posted by Morpheus

In spite of relativism one undisputable fact is that if something is true it is true and if it is false it is false. One person believes that the earth revolves around the sun and another believes that the sun revolves around the earth. Both can't be right. Both are convinced in their own mind that they are the one that is right. God either is or he isn't. The truth is not contingent on someones opinion. I firmly believe that he does exist. I will attempt to live my life according to that belief. You believe otherwise and choose to live accordingly. If I in fact am correct, when I die it will be wonderful and if I'm wrong (not) I haven't really lost anything. I have enjoyed the life I have chosen. If you are correct then when you die that's it, nada, poof, gone, and you still have nothing to show for it. But if you are incorrect you will have eternity to kick yourself. But that will be the least of your concerns.

Nice Post Morph. :up:

drbrumley
March 14th, 2005, 09:48 PM
Originally posted by Gerald

We'll see if he's got the chops... :chuckle:

Oh boy, a double dog dare. Your already predisposed to say thier is no God so why bother? Anything I say wouldn't matter.

Gerald
March 15th, 2005, 09:44 AM
Originally posted by drbrumley
Your already predisposed to say thier is no God so why bother?I defy you to find a post wherein I have stated unequivocally "thier is no God". I guarantee you won't find one.

What I have stated is that the existence of an entity matching the description of the one you venerate has yet to be conclusively demonstrated, which ain't the same thing.
Anything I say wouldn't matter.You won't know that for sure if you don't try... :chuckle: