Prejudice in the workplace

[Poly]

My husband told me last week that he went into conference room for a scheduled meeting. When they entered they saw notes on the board from what looked like a bible study. He found out later that this group was told that they could no longer continue the bible study but he just found out that there is a big area on the 12th floor reserved daily for Muslims to have their "prayer meeting". He was so hot. :mad:

I believe his words were something along the lines of "I'm headin' to H.R. and I'm gonna light it up."

[Gerald]

Perhaps he can get the bible study re-instated and get the Muslims kicked out.

After all, they're probably terrorists planning something naughty.

(That last line is only half joking, mind you...)

[Nineveh]

Tolerance :)

: snort :

I can't wait for the updates on this....

[Servo]

I know of a public school in my area that apparently has a "PRAYER room" reserved for all of the Muslims that have moved here (central MN).

Did you read what I wrote? A PUBLIC school!

[Gerald]

Originally posted by Shimei
I know of a public school in my area that apparently has a "PRAYER room" reserved for all of the Muslims that have moved here (central MN).So? That puts all your targets in one place.

"Shooting fish in a barrel", I believe it's called... :chuckle:

[Servo]

Originally posted by Gerald

So? That puts all your targets in one place.

"Shooting fish in a barrel", I believe it's called... :chuckle:

I guess you didn't catch it. Look for the words "PRAYER" & "PUBLIC" school.

[Granite]

Originally posted by Poly

My husband told me last week that he went into conference room for a scheduled meeting. When they entered they saw notes on the board from what looked like a bible study. He found out later that this group was told that they could no longer continue the bible study but he just found out that there is a big area on the 12th floor reserved daily for Muslims to have their "prayer meeting". He was so hot. :mad:

I believe his words were something along the lines of "I'm headin' to H.R. and I'm gonna light it up."

That's completely outta line. Your husband should get right into their faces about this.

[Gerald]

Originally posted by Shimei
I guess you didn't catch it. Look for the words "PRAYER" & "PUBLIC" school. Oh, I caught it, all right. You just don't have the stuff to kick a Muslim when he has his butt in the air.

Question is, is the prayer being led by a school employee? If so, then you have a legitimate axe to grind. If it's just a bunch of students pointing their heads toward Mecca and sticking their butts in the air, you got no axe.

[On Fire]

Originally posted by Gerald
you got no axe. You mispelled "you need to get a big, freakin' axe."

[Servo]

Originally posted by Gerald

Oh, I caught it, all right. You just don't have the stuff to kick a Muslim when he has his butt in the air.

Question is, is the prayer being led by a school employee? If so, then you have a legitimate axe to grind. If it's just a bunch of students pointing their heads toward Mecca and sticking their butts in the air, you got no axe.

So a prayer room built for Christians at a public school is cool with you then? As long as a no school employees lead any of the prayers?

[Gerald]

Originally posted by Shimei
So a prayer room built for Christians at a public school is cool with you then?I don't care who prays or where they do it, as long as they don't get in my face for not praying along.
As long as a no school employees lead any of the prayers?That's what the law stipulates: that state employees are not to lead prayers, nothing more, nothing less.

If somebody comes up to a kid in school and screeches "STOP THAT PRAYING! STOP IT RIGHT NOW!!!!" that person is in the wrong.

See? I can be reasonable. :bannana:

[Gerald]

Originally posted by On Fire
You mispelled "you need to get a big, freakin' axe." I didn't bother suggesting that because no Christian around here has the cajones to do such a thing.

Of course, if you're volunteering, I'm sure you can find a mosque in the Yellow Pages.

Let us know how many heads you collect, m'kay? :chuckle:

[Servo]

Originally posted by Gerald

I don't care who prays or where they do it, as long as they don't get in my face for not praying along.
That's what the law stipulates: that state employees are not to lead prayers, nothing more, nothing less.

If somebody comes up to a kid in school and screeches "STOP THAT PRAYING! STOP IT RIGHT NOW!!!!" that person is in the wrong.

See? I can be reasonable. :bannana:

So...a taxpayer funded public school builds a PRAYER room for Christians, that is ok with you?

[PureX]

Originally posted by Poly

My husband told me last week that he went into conference room for a scheduled meeting. When they entered they saw notes on the board from what looked like a bible study. He found out later that this group was told that they could no longer continue the bible study but he just found out that there is a big area on the 12th floor reserved daily for Muslims to have their "prayer meeting". He was so hot. :mad:

I believe his words were something along the lines of "I'm headin' to H.R. and I'm gonna light it up." Maybe it's because they left the conference room in a mess, and not because of what they were using the room for - did that ever cross your husband's mind?

[Poly]

Originally posted by PureX

Maybe it's because they left the conference room in a mess, and not because of what they were using the room for - did that ever cross your husband's mind?

Are you for real?

:darwinsm:

You are a real piece of work, PureCrap!

Uh, yeah that's it, they left it a mess. Hey, why not pull another one out thin air? Why not say "Maybe it's because they were swingin' from the Chandeliers" or how 'bout "Maybe it's because they didn't wear deodorant".

I can't believe you could post such a thing and expect people to take you seriously. What a joke!

[Servo]

Originally posted by PureX

Maybe it's because they left the conference room in a mess, and not because of what they were using the room for - did that ever cross your husband's mind?

Yeah, you know how messy Christians can be.....

[Gerald]

Originally posted by Shimei
So...a taxpayer funded public school builds a PRAYER room for Christians, that is ok with you? What does a Christian prayer room look like? Is there anything to distinguish it from any other room?

Did the school you refer to actually construct a facility especially for the Muslims, or did it just make a room available for kowtowing five times a day?

[Gerald]

Originally posted by Poly
Why not say "Maybe it's because they were swingin' from the Chandeliers" or how 'bout "Maybe it's because they didn't wear deodorant".You mean Muslims aren't like that?

[satalien]

Sounds like a case for the ACLU.

[Servo]

Originally posted by Gerald

What does a Christian prayer room look like? Is there anything to distinguish it from any other room?

Did the school you refer to actually construct a facility especially for the Muslims, or did it just make a room available for kowtowing five times a day?

A Christian prayer room would be a prayer room for Christians ONLY. Would you be ok with that?

The Muslims pray room I mentioned is reserved for Muslims. I do not know if they built it or used an existing room.

[PureX]

Originally posted by Shimei Yeah, you know how messy Christians can be..... Anyone can be messy. After all, we already know that they didn't clean off the chalk board when they were done with the room. There could be all sorts of reasons that the bible study group was asked to stop using the room. My point is that no other possibilities were even considered. No one seems to have thought to even ask what the real reason was. Instead it was just assumed that the Christians were being persecuted.

[Gerald]

Originally posted by Shimei
A Christian prayer room would be a prayer room for Christians ONLY. Would you be ok with that?How will you enforce that? Post a guard? How are you gonna tell who's a Christian and who's not?

The upshot is I'm indifferent to any kind of prayer room. My tax dollars have been spent on things just as lame, or more so.
The Muslims pray room I mentioned is reserved for Muslims. I do not know if they built it or used an existing room. Do they post a guard who checks to make sure folks know the Secret Muslim Handshake or something?

[Granite]

Be equal opportunity. If Muslims can congregate at work, anyone should have that right.

[Redfin]

Originally posted by PureX

My point is that no other possibilities were even considered. No one seems to have thought to even ask what the real reason was. Instead it was just assumed that the Christians were being persecuted.

You mean like some just assume that liberals, atheists and homosexuals are being persecuted, without considering the real reasons for their troubles?

I see. :chuckle:

[Poly]

Originally posted by PureX

Anyone can be messy. After all, we already know that they didn't clean off the chalk board when they were done with the room. There could be all sorts of reasons that the bible study group was asked to stop using the room. My point is that no other possibilities were even considered. No one seems to have thought to even ask what the real reason was. Instead it was just assumed that the Christians were being persecuted.


You're still going on with this as if people would take you seriously. :nono:

You wouldn't even begin to be asking the question "maybe it was because they were messy" if the situation were switched and it were the Muslims who were told they couldn't have their meeting and the Christians were allowed to continue with theirs.

[Gerald]

Originally posted by Redfin
You mean like some just assume that liberals, atheists and homosexuals are being persecuted, without considering the real reasons for their troubles?

I see. :chuckle: Speaking as an atheist, what "troubles" are you talking about?

My life's never been better!

[Gerald]

Originally posted by Poly
...if the situation were switched and it were the Muslims who were told they couldn't have their meeting and the Christians were allowed to continue with theirs. This is what your husband ought to clamor for.

[Frank Ernest]

Originally posted by Poly

You're still going on with this as if people would take you seriously. :nono:

You wouldn't even begin to be asking the question "maybe it was because they were messy" if the situation were switched and it were the Muslims who were told they couldn't have their meeting and the Christians were allowed to continue with theirs.
(And God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah because they were "inhospitable.")

Guaranteed if the situation were switched the ACLU and every other freakin' left-wing :Commie: POS would have been screaming "discrimination" no matter what the real reason.

[Servo]

Originally posted by Gerald

How will you enforce that? Post a guard? How are you gonna tell who's a Christian and who's not?

The upshot is I'm indifferent to any kind of prayer room. My tax dollars have been spent on things just as lame, or more so.
Do they post a guard who checks to make sure folks know the Secret Muslim Handshake or something?


So your answer is......

Try and type a statement that does not end with a "?"

[Gerald]

Originally posted by Shimei
So your answer is...... My answer is I'm indifferent to any kind of prayer room.

That clear things up?

[Redfin]

Originally posted by Gerald

Speaking as an atheist, what "troubles" are you talking about?

Whatever troubles are being blamed on persecution.

Originally posted by Gerald

My life's never been better!

I believe you, and from how you portray yourself here, I think it's a shame that your life has never been better.
I sincerely hope that things start looking up for you soon. :thumb:

[Servo]

Originally posted by Gerald

My answer is I'm indifferent to any kind of prayer room.

That clear things up?

Gerald does not care if taxpayer dollars are given to public schools so they can build/provide prayer rooms for religious groups.

I wonder if his view will stay consistent with other topics that come up.

[Gerald]

Originally posted by Redfin
Whatever troubles are being blamed on persecution.I've never played the persecution card, and anybody who does is a wimp, and so's his daddy.
I believe you, and from how you portray yourself here...That's a fatal mistake: assuming that the views and opinions expressed are actually those of the poster. You would do well to avoid confusing me with the online caricature of me.
I think it's a shame that your life has never been better.It's been worse. A lot worse.
I sincerely hope that things start looking up for you soon. :thumb: The sentiment is appreciated, but hardly necessary. If things were looking any more up they be in geosynchronous orbit.

[Gerald]

Originally posted by Shimei
Gerald does not care if taxpayer dollars are given to public schools so they can build/provide prayer rooms for religious groups.

I wonder if his view will stay consistent with other topics that come up. It will change only if one religious group is favored over another. If you're gonna let the Christians in, ya gotta let the Muslims, the Buddhists, the Scientologists, the Raelians, etc., etc., etc. in, too.

That would be just too much fun to watch... :chuckle:

[Redfin]

Originally posted by Gerald

I've never played the persecution card, and anybody who does is a wimp, and so's his daddy.


I agree totally, and refer you to Explaining The Upsurge Of Prejudice And Hatred Among American Christians (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=18913)
by PureX

[Gerald]

Originally posted by Redfin

I agree totally, and refer you to Explaining The Upsurge Of Prejudice And Hatred Among American Christians (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=18913)
by PureX I've stayed out of that thread for a reason.

If some Christian (or anybody for that matter) comes around spewing hatred/prejudice at me, he's liable to get a fat lip or a kick in the crotch for his trouble...

[Redfin]

Originally posted by Gerald

I've stayed out of that thread for a reason.

If some Christian (or anybody for that matter) comes around spewing hatred/prejudice at me, he's liable to get a fat lip or a kick in the crotch for his trouble...

Is that you or your caricature speaking? :crackup:

[Gerald]

Originally posted by Redfin
Is that you or your caricature speaking? :crackup: That's me.

[Nineveh]

Originally posted by Frank Ernest

(And God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah because they were "inhospitable.")

:ha:

[Ninjashadow]

What I want to know is why the left (including most media outlets) have embraced Islam since 9/11. What really gets me hot is the fact that right after 9/11 the liberals and the media made sure that we all know that it was an Islam sect (read: fundamentalist) that perpetrated those horrible attacks. Yet, whenever there is an abortion clinic bombing the liberals and the media just go, "The Christians are at it again," and lump us all into one category.

This is completely ASININE! And now, the liberals seem to be making sure that they Muslims are aloud to pray and do whatever they want, but if a Christian tries to do that we are bigoted, racist, horrible people. This is called selective outrage or better yet, double standards. The liberals get outraged any time a Christian want to hold a prayer in public, or have a meeting in a business office, or whatever, but it's sure as heck OK if the Muslims do it.

Islam is not the peaceful religion those arrogant, moronic liberals try to make it out as. The basics of the religion are to kill the infidels (non-Islams).

What I am getting at is not to try to prevent the Muslims from praying, but I simply want equal rights. Is that such a difficult concept?

[Mr. Coffee]

Originally posted by ninjashadow
What I want to know is why the left (including most media outlets) have embraced Islam since 9/11. Mostly because they're scared of Muslims.

[Ninjashadow]

You're probably right and that sounds just like a "If you can't beat them, join them," mentality, which is definately NOT the kind of thinking we need in America!

[Poly]

Originally posted by ninjashadow

What I want to know is why the left (including most media outlets) have embraced Islam since 9/11. What really gets me hot is the fact that right after 9/11 the liberals and the media made sure that we all know that it was an Islam sect (read: fundamentalist) that perpetrated those horrible attacks. Yet, whenever there is an abortion clinic bombing the liberals and the media just go, "The Christians are at it again," and lump us all into one category.

This is completely ASININE! And now, the liberals seem to be making sure that they Muslims are aloud to pray and do whatever they want, but if a Christian tries to do that we are bigoted, racist, horrible people. This is called selective outrage or better yet, double standards. The liberals get outraged any time a Christian want to hold a prayer in public, or have a meeting in a business office, or whatever, but it's sure as heck OK if the Muslims do it.

Islam is not the peaceful religion those arrogant, moronic liberals try to make it out as. The basics of the religion are to kill the infidels (non-Islams).

What I am getting at is not to try to prevent the Muslims from praying, but I simply want equal rights. Is that such a difficult concept?

I sense you're holding back, NS. Tell us how you really feel.

:D

[Ninjashadow]

Originally posted by Poly

I sense you're holding back, NS. Tell us how you really feel.

:D

If I did, I'd get banned.

[Poly]

Originally posted by ninjashadow

If I did, I'd get banned.

Well, we don't want that so by all means... hold back!

[Ninjashadow]

:chuckle: OK. I think the thing that really gets me mad is that since the media reports what happens, the reports have a liberal message in one way or another and the real facts don't get out.

[Lucky]

If discrimination exists and persists within a private business, does/can/should the government get involved? :think:

[Frank Ernest]

Originally posted by Lucky

If discrimination exists and persists within a private business, does/can/should the government get involved? :think:
No. What is discrimination is, at best, a confusing mish-mash of opinion. This mish-mash generates frivolous lawsuits by the ton, unnecessarily increases the cost of doing business and guarantees a never-ending flood of interfering government do-gooder busybodies.

[Crow]

I dunno. For some reason, the incident in the OP doesn't bother me. I think that a employer should be able to be preferential to whatever faith or faithlessness he choses to favor in his own business.

Assuming that I were to buy a business, if I don't want wiccans conducting their ceremonies in my conference room, but I want to allow Christians to pray there, that ought to be my choice. If I want to tell muslims to take it outside, that ought to be OK too. If I want to tell any atheists who complain about religious symbols "Pretend they're not there," then that ought to be OK too.

And if I work for someone who promotes something that I don't ascribe to, as when I worked for a Jewish agency during my atheist years, I can realize that I chose to work there, and no one's stopping me from leaving.

When I worked at the Jewish hospital none of the Jews batted an eye if someone came in wearing a cross. We had muslim nurses working there, and no one complained about the head coverings. We pretty much didn't bother in each other's business, and it worked out fine.

[Frank Ernest]

Originally posted by :Crow2:

I dunno. For some reason, the incident in the OP doesn't bother me. I think that a employer should be able to be preferential to whatever faith or faithlessness he choses to favor in his own business.

Assuming that I were to buy a business, if I don't want wiccans conducting their ceremonies in my conference room, but I want to allow Christians to pray there, that ought to be my choice. If I want to tell muslims to take it outside, that ought to be OK too. If I want to tell any atheists who complain about religious symbols "Pretend they're not there," then that ought to be OK too.

And if I work for someone who promotes something that I don't ascribe to, as when I worked for a Jewish agency during my atheist years, I can realize that I chose to work there, and no one's stopping me from leaving.

When I worked at the Jewish hospital none of the Jews batted an eye if someone came in wearing a cross. We had muslim nurses working there, and no one complained about the head coverings. We pretty much didn't bother in each other's business, and it worked out fine.

America. I just love this country. - Yackov Smirnov

[Servo]

Originally posted by Crow

I dunno. For some reason, the incident in the OP doesn't bother me. I think that a employer should be able to be preferential to whatever faith or faithlessness he choses to favor in his own business.

Assuming that I were to buy a business, if I don't want wiccans conducting their ceremonies in my conference room, but I want to allow Christians to pray there, that ought to be my choice. If I want to tell muslims to take it outside, that ought to be OK too. If I want to tell any atheists who complain about religious symbols "Pretend they're not there," then that ought to be OK too.

And if I work for someone who promotes something that I don't ascribe to, as when I worked for a Jewish agency during my atheist years, I can realize that I chose to work there, and no one's stopping me from leaving.

When I worked at the Jewish hospital none of the Jews batted an eye if someone came in wearing a cross. We had muslim nurses working there, and no one complained about the head coverings. We pretty much didn't bother in each other's business, and it worked out fine.

Agreed, but it is now the Christians who are being asked to take it outside.

[Crow]

Originally posted by Shimei

Agreed, but it is now the Christians who are being asked to take it outside.

Not if they own the business.

[Frank Ernest]

I wanna law forcing Muslim Mosques to hire televangelists as greeters.