Being Tolerant

[Nineveh]

March 14, 2005

(AgapePress) - A pro-family researcher says a disturbing study about the abuse of foster children demonstrates a real need for more information. The focus of his immediate concern is a Family Research Institute study of the Illinois foster care system, which revealed that a highly disproportionate percentage of sexual abuse cases were homosexual in nature.

Dr. Paul Cameron of the Family Research Institute says the study showed that over one-third of the child sexual abuse cases in the Illinois foster care system were same-sex incidents, and he believes these figures reflect the rest of the United States. However, the doctor notes that one major problem in preventing such abuse is that other states' information is extremely hard to get.

Cameron feels it is extremely important to learn more about this tragic situation, and he is pleading with the public to put pressure on those who can help address it. "What we need," he says, "and what I would ask you to do, please, is if you have a politician in a state that says [its authorities are] concerned about this, then get that politician to get the data made public."

Although the Illinois study did not track whether the abusive foster parents themselves were homosexuals, the FRI spokesman feels its shocking revelations should be considered carefully and addressed with appropriate seriousness. "In this study, we found that 34 percent of the sexual molestations were homosexual. That's totally unacceptable," he says.

Cameron points out that the American Psychological Association declared last year its support for homosexuals being allowed to adopt or provide foster care. However, the doctor contends that such professional societies can be so caught up in so-called equal rights causes that the welfare of children is forsaken. And sadly, the researcher notes, children in state care in particular tend to end up being treated as commodities. Yet, he warns, although these children may be cast aside by society, that same society will bear the burdens later for the problems these young victims will cause as adults.

Cameron hopes the Family Research Institute's study of abuse in the Illinois foster care system will lead to a change in foster-parent policy, despite so-called equality issues. And, he adds, he hopes it will lead to further study and sharing of information about an important issue involving the welfare of children throughout society.cite (http://headlines.agapepress.org/archive/3/142005d.asp)

[Art Deco]

Originally posted by Nineveh

The Un-American Psychological Association supports sodomite adoption. These are the same clowns that took homosexuality off the list of mental diseases years ago paving the way for the pink triangles to mince out of their closets and into TV sitcoms. A pox on all their houses...:madmad:

[Sozo]

Originally posted by Art Deco

The Un-American Psychological Association supports sodomite adoption. These are the same clowns that took homosexuality off the list of mental diseases years ago paving the way for the pink triangles to mince out of their closets and into TV sitcoms. A pox on all their houses...:madmad: I certainly agree with you that psychologists are :zakath: s , and that they misdiagnosed homos, but it is not now, nor was it ever, a "mental disease". It is the choice of a depraved mind who is obsessed with self-worship, and rejects the One who gave them life.

[Art Deco]

Originally posted by Sozo

I certainly agree with you that psychologists are :zakath: s , and that they misdiagnosed homos, but it is not now, nor was it ever, a "mental disease". It is the choice of a depraved mind who is obsessed with self-worship, and rejects the One who gave them life. He's right folks... :think:

P.S. I like that crawl at the bottom on tolerance.:thumb:

[Gerald]

Originally posted by Sozo
It is the choice of a depraved mind who is obsessed with self-worship, and rejects the One who gave them life. Hey!

I worship myself, and I'm not gay.

And don't bother flinging invective at me, Sozo; I'm Ignoring you. :p :devil: :chuckle:

[Sozo]

Originally posted by Gerald


I worship myself, and I'm not gay.

This only proves that you lack any ability to think logically.

And don't bother flinging invective at me, Sozo; I'm Ignoring you. Yes Gerald, we can all see the evidence of that when you quoted me. :kookoo:

[Gerald]

Originally posted by Sozo
This only proves that you lack any ability to think logically.I'm not the one claiming that homosexuality stems from self-worship.
Yes Gerald, we can all see the evidence of that when you quoted me. :kookoo: Picking on you is like poking a stick through a fence at a vicious dog. It's mean, but it's fun, too. :chuckle:

[Sozo]

Originally posted by Gerald

I'm not the one claiming that homosexuality stems from self-worship.
Gerald... try using your head for something besides a hammer.

Homosexuality does stem from self-worship, that does not logically conclude that all those who worship themselves are homosexuals. Some of them are just morons.

[Gerald]

Originally posted by Sozo
Some of them are just morons. Interesting. I say the same thing about folks who believe that demons get into people's heads.

Imagine that! :chuckle:

[Lighthouse]

So does Sozo.

[aikido7]

I certainly agree with you that psychologists are s , and that they misdiagnosed homos, but it is not now, nor was it ever, a "mental disease". It is the choice of a depraved mind who is obsessed with self-worship, and rejects the One who gave them life.

James Dobson is a psychologist. Some pyschologists DO "misdiagnose." There is no conclusive evidence one way or another for the "nurture/nature" question for homosexuality--at least not as of this minute. To some it is obviously a choice; for others, there is obviously something else going on.

Since there are believers who are homo, not all reject God.

And what do you mean by "self-worship"?

[dotcom]

Originally posted by Sozo


It is the choice of a depraved mind who is obsessed with self-worship, and rejects the One who gave them life.

What do you mean a "choice"!! If somebody can choose to be a homosexual at one point in their life it also mean many of us who are heterosexuals chose to be heterosexuals at one point in our lives!! When did you choose to be a heterosexual?

I don't buy the "choice" argument. It just gives perversion an easy way out.

[PureX]

Sexual relations between consenting adults and sexual relations between adults and children are two very different conditions. This is why most pedophiles are heterosexual in their adult sexual relations, yet will often be homosexual or bisexual in their sexual relations with children. I agree that we should be studying pedophelia far more closely in the hope that as we learn more about the phychology of it we will also learn how to avoid it better in the future and how to more effectively treat both the victims and the offenders.

[Lighthouse]

Originally posted by aikido7

Since there are believers who are homo, not all reject God.
Sorry, but that statement is completely false. Wait, I take that back, I'm not sorry.

They reject the true God, and accept a lie. And a false god is not God. End of story. No one who is in Christ is a homo.

[Agape4Robin]

:thumb: :Brandon:

:BRAVO:

[Sozo]

Agape...


Your avatar is creeping me out! :shocked:

[LightSon]

Originally posted by lighthouse

Sorry, but that statement is completely false. Wait, I take that back, I'm not sorry.

They reject the true God, and accept a lie. And a false god is not God. End of story. No one who is in Christ is a homo.

Where did you get this notion?

There are many "in Christ" who struggle with homosexual inclinations, just like there are many "in Christ" who struggle with pride, lying, lust, drunkenness. etc.

[Agape4Robin]

Why?:confused:

I think Ingrid Bergman was a very beautiful woman!:emarie:

[Sozo]

Originally posted by LightSon

Where did you get this notion?

There are many "in Christ" who struggle with homosexual inclinations, just like there are many "in Christ" who struggle with pride, lying, lust, drunkenness. etc.

They are not homos, they are children of God who struggle with homosexual behavior. There is a vast difference. It is an issue of identity.

[Sozo]

Originally posted by Agape4Robin

Why?:confused:

I think Ingrid Bergman was a very beautiful woman!:emarie:

I think she is beautiful too, but we had a poster here that everyone liked very much named Tatie (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/search.php?s=&action=finduser&userid=399) who used that avatar, and she died. :(

[Agape4Robin]

If I am struggling with alcoholism or lying, or sexual "addiction", then I can still be called a christian......but it's quite another thing to be PROUD to be (pick one) gay, liar, promiscuous and/ or drunk!! And STILL think you are a true christian!!:nono:

[Agape4Robin]

Sorry....:(

Should I change it?? I will ya know.......don't want to cause any bad feelings.:cry:

[LightSon]

Originally posted by Sozo

They are not homos, they are children of God who struggle with homosexual behavior. There is a vast difference. It is an issue of identity.
If your point is that when a Christian commits a homosexual act that he or she is acting "out of character" with who they are "in Christ", then I agree.

But I don't really see how you can say that a person who commits homosexual acts is not a homosexual.

Okay. I understand the identity thing.

For a Christian to do these things is a contradiction (no matter how we look at it) to everything we are in Christ.

Define it as you will.

We have a semblence of this conversation about once every month or two. I say homosexual behavior is a sin. You say, not for the Christian. I say, it matters what we do. You say, not for the Christian, because we are righteous. I say, it matters in terms of consequences down here, and then you will agree.

So if we can agree that guys-doing-guys has consequences, even for the Christian, then can we agree that "in this context" it matters.

I have a problem telling a Christian, who acts out their homosexual inclinations, that they are not a homosexual . It gives them cover to continue unabated. I would much rather have them feel a sense of shame, so they may appropriate the grace that God has already provided. There is no reason a Christian needs to live in the shackles of fleshly bonds.

Your turn.

[Nineveh]

Originally posted by PureX

Sexual relations between consenting adults and sexual relations between adults and children are two very different conditions.

Are you sure you really know that?

This is why most pedophiles are heterosexual in their adult sexual relations, yet will often be homosexual or bisexual in their sexual relations with children.

Maybe they only have adult relations to conceal their "closet" life? That's what I got from Arnold Friedman, anyway.

Don't you find it a bit concerning 1-3% of the population is molesting 1/3 of the victims?

I agree that we should be studying pedophelia

Who are you agreeing with? I don't recall it being suggested on this thread...

far more closely in the hope that as we learn more about the phychology of it we will also learn how to avoid it better in the future and how to more effectively treat both the victims and the offenders.

Here's a class in child rapists 101:

They molest kids.

Test on Tuesday.

[Lighthouse]

LightSon-
You're only a homo if you're proud of it.

[Sozo]

Originally posted by LightSon

If your point is that when a Christian commits a homosexual act that he or she is acting "out of character" with who they are "in Christ", then I agree.

But I don't really see how you can say that a person who commits homosexual acts is not a homosexual.

Character is important, but it is a question of identity, not character that defines a homosexual. If character defines a Christian, then no one is a Christian. You must be in the flesh to be identified as a homosexual. You must be under the Law. A Christian will do many things that the Law would prove them guilty, but they are not under the Law for righteousness. A Christian will also be transformed by the renewing of the mind concerning those things that are contrary to who they are in Christ. Their inability to be righteous in the flesh will always be in the forefront of their mind, and they will walk by faith in Christ and not in themselves to do that which is profitable for their neighbor and themselves.

"Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, and in the Spirit of our God."

Those in Corinth were still involved in these things, and Paul told them not to do those things that had identified them as unrighteous, because they no longer were unrighteous.

They are unrighteous because they are identified as such by the Law, as is everyone who looks to the Law for righteousness. When that happens the ONLY things that you will produce are the deeds of the flesh.

"Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you just as I have forewarned you that those who practice such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God."

For a Christian to do these things is a contradiction (no matter how we look at it) to everything we are in Christ. So are "things like these". How are you doing with those?I have a problem telling a Christian, who acts out their homosexual inclinations, that they are not a homosexual . What shall we call you? I have a problem with a Christian not being completely overwhelmed with grief if he/she gives in to that behavior, as we should be with any behavior that falls short of the glory of God.

[firechyld]

Sozo:

Homosexuality does stem from self-worship

OK. Where? Where, exactly, in the attraction of one individual to another of the same gender, or in the development of a romantic homosexual relationship, do you find the element of self-worship? How does self-worship lead to homosexual feelings or behaviour? How are the two connected?

Ninevah:

Don't you find it a bit concerning 1-3% of the population is molesting 1/3 of the victims?


1-3%? Isn't that the figure of humans who identify as homosexual? You'll find that, as PureX pointed out, the vast majority of men who molest young boys identify as heterosexual. They generally have no contact with any facet of the homosexual community, they do not engage in consensual sex with adult males and they do not consider themselves to be homosexual. If surveyed, they would tick the "heterosexual" box next to the "What is your sexual orientation?" question.

They're hardly representive of homosexuals in general, whom I believe the 1-3% figure, or the 10% figure, or any of the other figures apply to. In fact, I'm fairly certain that lumping heterosexual-identifying child molesters in with homosexuals would raise that figure dramatically.

[Nineveh]

Originally posted by firechyld
1-3%? Isn't that the figure of humans who identify as homosexual? You'll find that, as PureX pointed out, the vast majority of men who molest young boys identify as heterosexual.

How? By filling out a questionaire? Getting married? What?

They generally have no contact with any facet of the homosexual community, they do not engage in consensual sex with adult males and they do not consider themselves to be homosexual. If surveyed, they would tick the "heterosexual" box next to the "What is your sexual orientation?" question.

Not like it's bad enough to be a homosexual and feel guilty, but to rape little kids? I imagine they would say and do just about anything to keep themselves "safe".

Homosexual means: Of, relating to, or having a sexual orientation to persons of the same sex.

So until the homos successfully get the definition changed a person raping the same gender kid is a homo.

They're hardly representive of homosexuals in general, whom I believe the 1-3% figure, or the 10% figure, or any of the other figures apply to. In fact, I'm fairly certain that lumping heterosexual-identifying child molesters in with homosexuals would raise that figure dramatically.

Try reading the article, then making an argument.

[Lighthouse]

firechyld make an argument?

[LightSon]

Originally posted by firechyld
1-3%? Isn't that the figure of humans who identify as homosexual? You'll find that, as PureX pointed out, the vast majority of men who molest young boys identify as heterosexual. They generally have no contact with any facet of the homosexual community, they do not engage in consensual sex with adult males and they do not consider themselves to be homosexual. If surveyed, they would tick the "heterosexual" box next to the "What is your sexual orientation?" question.



They "identify as heterosexual"?????
So what?

The test is not what box they check. Here is a better test.
If a man molests a boy, he is a homosexual. The fact that they check the heterosexual box only proves how confused they are.

[Lighthouse]

Amen, LightSon!