Episcopal Hissy Fit -or- Homosway or the Highway

[Nineveh]

March 17th 2005

A decision by U.S. Episcopal Church leaders to halt the consecration of all new bishops was a bow to a "homosexual agenda" that will cause a leadership crisis, the head of a conservative group in the church said on Thursday.

The Rev. Canon David Anderson, president of the American Anglican Council, also called a pledge made by the U.S. bishops at a meeting this week not to publicly bless same-sex unions "duplicitous" because it will not stop the practice from continuing in private.

The U.S. bishops are under attack from Anglicans for consecrating Bishop Gene Robinson of Vermont, believed to be the first bishop known to be in a same-sex relationship in the history of the 77-million-member worldwide Anglican church.

Responding to a report last year that directed them to apologize for the action and to impose a moratorium on appointing any more openly gay bishops, the U.S. prelates decided not to consecrate any bishops at all until at least June of 2006. They said the action had nearly unanimous support within their ranks and would provide time for discussion.

But Anderson, who says his group has 300 congregations as members and is backed by "tens of thousands" of the 2.3 million U.S. Episcopal Church members, blasted the action in a statement, calling it "insulting" to the worldwide church.

"I am outraged that the House of Bishops drew equivalence between single or married individuals with those living in homosexual partnerships. To place a moratorium on all consecrations not only takes the episcopacy hostage to the homosexual agenda but also places several diocese in crisis," he said.

On Wednesday Rowan Williams, the archbishop of Canterbury, issued a statement saying he welcomed the steps taken by the U.S. bishops as a "constructive response. ... They have clearly sought to respond positively to the requests made of them."

Earlier on Thursday Bishop Robert Duncan of Pittsburgh, leader of the Anglican Communion Network, a group of 10 more orthodox diocese, said the bishops' action falls short of what world church leaders wanted.

"I believe the real news from this meeting of the House of Bishops is that we have finally begun to be honest about what we did at General Convention 2003" which led to Robinson's consecration, he said.

"We began openly to engage the thought that our differences within the House of Bishops, within the Episcopal Church USA and within the Anglican Communion may be irreconcilable," he added. cite (http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=domesticNews&storyID=7937080)

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I guess this is going to boil down to "if the homos can't have it, nobody can."

[Mr Jack]

I can't see the Anglican communion holding together through this. It came pretty close to splitting over the whole ordination of women thing, and this? Methinks it will push it over the edge. All that remains to be seen is how many parts it splits into.

[Art Deco]

Originally posted by Nineveh

March 17th 2005



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I guess this is going to boil down to "if the homos can't have it, nobody can." Let the spiritually dead bury the dead... :grave:

[Thia]

Originally posted by Mr Jack

I can't see the Anglican communion holding together through this. It came pretty close to splitting over the whole ordination of women thing, and this? Methinks it will push it over the edge. All that remains to be seen is how many parts it splits into.

Oh goody - more denominations or lack thereof.

[Free-Agent Smith]

THe Episcopals were the ones that had a fag as thier bisdhop in Boston or New Hampshire a year ago?

[Nineveh]

That's when it started, yes...

"Bishop Gene Robinson of Vermont, believed to be the first bishop known to be in a same-sex relationship in the history of the 77-million-member worldwide Anglican church."

[Free-Agent Smith]

Once the worms are in, the rest will rot.

[aikido7]

Eating with lepers could be seen as a capitulation to the Leperosy Agenda.

[Agape4Robin]

Sounds like the Church of Sardis; see Revelation2:3.:rolleyes:

[Lighthouse]

Care to tell us what Revelation 2:3 means to this? How does it relate?

[Nineveh]

Try Rev. 3:2 :)

Prolly this part, "Wake up! Strengthen what remains and is about to die,..."

[Mr Jack]

The Scottish branch of the Anglican church has backed Gay Priests:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4374249.stm

[Nineveh]

The Scottish Episcopal Church has said being a practising homosexual is not a bar to a person becoming a priest.

If they don't have any Southern Baptists yet, they will soon ....

[Zakath]

And having divorced men in the ministry is OK?

[Nineveh]

Is divorce an unforgivable sin?

What chapter and verse can I find the requirements for leaders of the Church?

[Zakath]

Originally posted by Nineveh

Is divorce an unforgivable sin?I don't know. Ask your deity.

But in my travels, I've been told it is certainly held to be a disqualifying one by many churches...

Would you hire a child molester or a homosexual as a pastor?

What chapter and verse can I find the requirements for leaders of the Church? Why are you asking an atheist about qualifications for church leadership???
:confused:

Go ask your pastor or presbyters.

[Nineveh]

Originally posted by Zakath

I don't know. Ask your deity.

Just speaking out of ignance then?

But in my travels, I've been told it is certainly held to be a disqualifying one by many churches...

Oh yeah, that's right, you trust what men say, like Benny Hinn and Pat Robertson...

Would you hire a child molester or a homosexual as a pastor?

No. Did you?

Why are you asking an atheist about qualifications for church leadership???
:confused:

You asked a question, just wondered if you were familliar with the qualifications.

Go ask your pastor or presbyters.

I don't see Christians wrestling with issue like you are zakath. It doesn't appear to be them that needs understanding.

[Zakath]

Originally posted by Nineveh

Just speaking out of ignance then?Nope. Out of conversations with a variety of church leaders and theologians over the years.

Oh yeah, that's right, you trust what men say...Well, your deity's not exactly chiming in on the converasation lately, is he?

No. Did you?Nope. I never hired a pastor.

Would you hire a former child abuser or formerhomosexual as a pastor? If not, why not? Are those sins somehow different from divorce?

You asked a question, just wondered if you were familliar with the qualifications.I am familiar with several differing sets of qualifications.

Which ones would you, in your vast knowledge of the will of God, consider applicable?

I don't see Christians wrestling with issue like you are zakath.You honestly don't see much then. First off, I'm not wrestling with it. ;)

Secondly, qualifications for ministry are discussed quite frequently in certain venues.

It doesn't appear to be them that needs understanding. Obviously, they seem to do whatever they please and claim divine sanction.

:chuckle:

[Nineveh]

Originally posted by Zakath

Nope. Out of conversations with a variety of church leaders and theologians over the years.

Good place to look LOL

Well, your deity's not exactly chiming in on the converasation lately, is he?

No, He gave us the ability to read. Some just must be lazy and rely on what others think He says.

Nope. Are those unforgivable sins?

Not if one repents. Why didn't you hire one?

I am familiar with several differing sets of qualifications.

Care to share?

Which ones would you, in your vast knowledge of the will of God, consider applicable?

The ones He gave to His Church.

You honestly don't see much then. First off, I'm not wrestling with it. ;)

I don't doubt that. You just like to appear ignorant:)

Secondly, qualifications for ministry are discussed quite frequently in certain venues.

And?

Obviously, they seem to do whatever they please and claim divine sanction. :chuckle:

:shocked: You mean men do things of their own accord?! oh my...

[Zakath]

Originally posted by Nineveh

Good place to look LOLYou might try actually talking to someone with more experience than yours. You could actually learn something.

:rolleyes:

No, He gave us the ability to read. Some just must be lazy and rely on what others think He says."Iron sharpens iron." But not if it never comes in contact with any.

Not if one repents.
So why wouldn't you hire one? You've dodged the question...

Why didn't you hire one?I was a pastor. I didn't need to hire anyone else. We had a church board for that...

The ones He gave to His Church.
Hmmm.. thats twice you've refused to answer...

:shocked: You mean men do things of their own accord?! oh my... From where I sit, yes. Since I don't believe in your invisible sky fairy, it would be silly of me to believe he really influences humans, wouldn't it.;)

[Nineveh]

Originally posted by Zakath

You might try actually talking to someone with more experience than yours. You could actually learn something. :rolleyes:

LOL and wind up like you? I'd rather be a lil more selective.

"Iron sharpens iron." But not if it never comes in contact with any.

I guess thats a good a reason as any not to read...

So why wouldn't you hire one? You've dodged the question...

I don't need to hire folks, what's your excuse?

I was a pastor. I didn't need to hire anyone else. We had a church board for that...

And you had no say?

Hmmm.. thats twice you've refused to answer...

Sorta like you not answering if it makes you feel good to support the murder of a handicapped woman. Hypocrite :)

From where I sit, yes. Since I don't believe in your invisible sky fairy, it would be silly of me to believe he really influences humans, wouldn't it.;)

You sure do like trying to lay blame on Him though :) I suspect any excuse will do.

[Zakath]

Originally posted by Nineveh

You sure do like trying to lay blame on Him though :) I suspect any excuse will do. Merely to demonstrate the incongruity of your belief system...

Since you're either too ignorant or too lazy to answer my questions, there's little need to continue this line of discussion...

BTW, if the state authorizes an act it is not murder... any more than capital punishment is murder. You seem to have missed that point... :kookoo:

[Nineveh]

Originally posted by Zakath

Merely to demonstrate the incongruity of your belief system...

Oh! And here I thought your goal was to just look ignorant of what you used to preach :ha:

Since you're either too ignorant or too lazy to answer my questions, there's little need to continue this line of discussion...

Right, make another claim of me dodging to give yourself another out. The least you could do is think up something original to lable me for your lack.

BTW, if the state authorizes an act it is not murder... any more than capital punishment is murder. You seem to have missed that point... :kookoo:

You are *such* a good nazi :)