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Nineveh
March 18th, 2005, 09:17 AM
Doctors and health officials will consider whether more guidance on abortions is needed following the decision of the Crown Prosecution Service not to prosecute two doctors who authorised a late abortion on a foetus with a cleft lip and palate.

Jim England, the chief crown prosecutor for West Mercia, said the doctors believed, in good faith, that there was a substantial risk the child would be seriously handicapped. "In these circumstances, I decided that there was insufficient evidence for a realistic prospect of conviction and that there should be no charges against either of the doctors," he said.

The inquiry began after a legal challenge over a previous decision by police not to charge the doctors involved in the abortion carried out, in 2001, on an unnamed woman from Herefordshire who was more than 24 weeks pregnant.

Joanna Jepson, 28, now at St Michael's Church, Chester, but then a trainee vicar, found out about the procedure in 2002 when studying abortion statistics and suggested that it amounted to unlawful killing.

Yesterday Ms Jepson said: "While I'm disappointed about the CPS's decision to drop the case, I am pleased the case has raised the issue of late-term abortion and the plight of disabled babies in late-term pregnancy. It has exposed grave discrimination and I will be seeking legal advice."

She said she might try to get clarification from the courts about whether unborn children in the third trimester have got human rights and what constituted "serious handicap".

She might consider whether to re-open a judicial review of the first decision not to prosecute. This was stayed after police decided to conduct a second inquiry into the case, admitting the initial decision was not based on a full investigation.

Ms Jepson was born with a congenital jaw defect, uncorrected until her teens, and her brother has Down's syndrome. Her lawyers had argued that a cleft palate could not be considered as a severe disability.

The prosecutor's decision coincides with heated debate over whether the 24-week limit on terminating pregnancy should be reduced. The 1967 Abortion Act allows for later termination if two doctors decide a child would be seriously handicapped.

The Department of Health would not comment on the case but the Royal College of Obstetrics and Gynaecology said it knew the doctors "were acting in good faith and within the current legislation," adding: "We now need to consider whether further guidance is needed."

Ann Furedi, chief executive of the abortion care organisation Bpas, said: "This is very good news. We were very concerned at the prosecution because this situation arose because somebody who had nothing to do with the particular case took this case to court claiming an offence had been committed."

She added: "Rather than leap into court or the papers, we need to take stock of the circumstance in which women and doctors make decisions around abortion."

The Cleft Lip and Palate Association accepted the CPS verdict.

"Our concern was that if it was beyond all doubt that all it was a cleft lip and palate, then we could not understand why a decision to terminate had been taken," said the chief executive, Gareth Davies.

Hereford County Hospital's management, where the abortion was performed, reported "many expressions of support" for staff.cite (http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,3604,1439312,00.html)

Crow
March 18th, 2005, 10:12 AM
That's ridiculous. A cleft lip and palate is not only correctable, but routinely done.

Free-Agent Smith
March 18th, 2005, 11:45 AM
That's awful. Selfish people.

Knight
March 18th, 2005, 12:22 PM
Most aborted babies are murdered for no reason other than convenience.

Cleft lip... convenience... what is the difference?

I can't beieve they actually allowed anyone to know the reason for this abortion. It just sounds so bizarre!

Free-Agent Smith
March 18th, 2005, 12:25 PM
"No honey. Yes, it was neccesary. It had brown eyes. Maybe next time we'll get one with blue."

ShadowMaid
March 18th, 2005, 12:26 PM
:cry:

Knight
March 18th, 2005, 12:51 PM
Originally posted by Free-Agent Smith

"No honey. Yes, it was neccesary. It had brown eyes. Maybe next time we'll get one with blue." Uhg. :(

Granite
March 18th, 2005, 02:29 PM
This is just so sad.

Mr Jack
March 21st, 2005, 03:49 AM
Originally posted by Knight Cleft lip... convenience... what is the difference?

I can't beieve they actually allowed anyone to know the reason for this abortion. It just sounds so bizarre!

It's down to British law. There's a 24 week limit on abortions; however there's an exception allowed where there is reason to believe the child would be born disabled.

Nineveh
March 21st, 2005, 09:27 AM
In an unusual shift for Britain, abortion is emerging as an issue in the run-up to a general election expected in May, with the country's two largest Christian denominations wading into the debate.

Attempts by Prime Minister Tony Blair to sideline abortion as an issue were dealt a blow at the weekend when the head of the Church of England and titular head of the world's 70 million Anglicans spoke out about a "groundswell of distaste" about the country's abortion laws.full story (http://www.cnsnews.com//ViewForeignBureaus.asp?Page=\ForeignBureaus\archiv e\200503\FOR20050321c.html)

Mr Jack
March 21st, 2005, 09:37 AM
I don't know how it can be an election issue though? All major parties in Britain contain both pro-choice and pro-life members and there is a long history of any abortion vote being taken without any party line being pushed by the whips.

How then can anyone vote based on abortion as an issue?

Some relevant links from the BBC:

Will abortion become a poll issue (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4349853.stm)

Howard backs abortion law change (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4344851.stm)
Abortion not a poll issue - Tony Blair (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4349581.stm)
Church abortion move criticised (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4366501.stm)

Nineveh
March 21st, 2005, 09:40 AM
Maybe it will be with stories like murdering a kid for a cleft palate...

wholearmor
March 21st, 2005, 09:40 AM
Mr. Hitler would be proud of those 2 "doctors."

Mr Jack
March 21st, 2005, 09:43 AM
Originally posted by Nineveh

Maybe it will be with stories like murdering a kid for a cleft palate...

That's exceedingly unlikely. Since the very exception under which the abortion took place is the very one which politicians are careful to say they won't tamper with.

Nineveh
March 21st, 2005, 09:49 AM
Originally posted by Mr Jack

That's exceedingly unlikely. Since the very exception under which the abortion took place is the very one which politicians are careful to say they won't tamper with.

Don't be so sure the advocates of death's stand is as secure as they desire it to be.

Mr Jack
March 21st, 2005, 09:57 AM
Originally posted by Nineveh

Don't be so sure the advocates of death's stand is as secure as they desire it to be.
It's possible that the time limit will be dropped to twenty weeks; but an outright ban? It's just not going to happen. Not unless there's a massive shift in the thinking of the British public.

And, despite what Rowan Williams and the Catholics might wish it isn't going to be an election issue either: none of the main parties will commit to taking a particular position on it so there's no way it can become an election issue.

Nineveh
March 21st, 2005, 10:05 AM
Originally posted by Mr Jack

but an outright ban? It's just not going to happen

Paraphrased and changed a bit to fit the UK scenario:

"The UK just isn't ready to stop murdering it's children yet."

Not unless there's a massive shift in the thinking of the British public.

Well considering the Church has jumped in, but they have neglected their duties for so long the UK isn't even considered a Christian nation any longer...

Anyway, the tide is turning over here, so maybe folks over there are waking up to the mass murder as well.

And, despite what Rowan Williams and the Catholics might wish it isn't going to be an election issue either: none of the main parties will commit to taking a particular position on it so there's no way it can become an election issue.

"Middle of the road" only gets you run over, ask John Kerry.