Diplomatic Immunity

[Lighthouse]

Do you know what Diplomatic Immunity is?

In the US there is a law that says Diplomats from foreign countries are not subject to all of our laws. The worst that can be doen to them if they are breaking our laws is deportation. Well, this law applies to their children, as well.

I am posting this, because I see our relationship wioth God like Diplomatic Immunity. We are no longer subject to the law. We are immune to the penalties associated with it. We can do things that are against the law, and we will not suffer the punishments. Why? Because we are the children of God, and He is not subject to the law.

Of course, there are still things that can be done, if we go about doing these things, and that is, we can lose rewards. But we will not suffer hell, nor will we lose our salvation.

Also, there are certain laws that will not cause us to even lose rewards if we do not follow them.

Any thoughts?

[Lawless]

Immunity by the price of blood, but not our own............That would be a cool comparison! .....We are foreigners in the world protected against punishment of Law by the price payed for us! It has to be that way, because Love is also just! ..........and Jesus is Love. :D

Hi Lighthouse how ya doin?

[Frank Ernest]

I believe the Epistle of James, chapter 2, is helpful.

[Lawless]

I believe the Epistle of James, chapter 2, is helpful.


Romans Chapter 4 is helpful too.

[Crow]

Diplomatic immunity is a good analogy.

Just as in diplomatic immunity, we can still cause harm to others or ourselves if we take it as a license to behave abominably. Said immunity does not stop us from misrepresenting Christ or misleading others.

[Sold Out]

Also, there are certain laws that will not cause us to even lose rewards if we do not follow them.

Any thoughts?

I would say that God doesn't hold someone accountable for a sin they are not aware of. Let's say a person is a fairly new Christian. A brother-in-the-Lord wrongs him and he takes him to court. The bible says Christians should allow a brother to wrong them rather than bring it into open subjection for the world to see. If this new Christian has not been taught about this, then God can't make him accountable for it.

[God_Is_Truth]

Philipians 3
20For our citizenship is in heaven, from which also we eagerly wait for a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ

2 Corinthians 5
20Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were making an appeal through us; we beg you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.

i'd say your diplomatic immunity idea is closer to reality than most people realize.

[Nineveh]

Diplomatic immunity is a good analogy.

Just as in diplomatic immunity, we can still cause harm to others or ourselves if we take it as a license to behave abominably. Said immunity does not stop us from misrepresenting Christ or misleading others.

As New York cops would say... "diplo-brat".

[Lawless]

Philipians 3
20For our citizenship is in heaven, from which also we eagerly wait for a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ

2 Corinthians 5
20Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were making an appeal through us; we beg you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.

i'd say your diplomatic immunity idea is closer to reality than most people realize.


:BRAVO: Cool verses ,,,,,,,,,God_Is_Truth..............Applies to the analogy bigtime!!!

[Lawless]

Diplomatic immunity is a good analogy.

Just as in diplomatic immunity, we can still cause harm to others or ourselves if we take it as a license to behave abominably. Said immunity does not stop us from misrepresenting Christ or misleading others.


As I've seen so many times before in other threads, Crow and Nineveh add a important sense of balance to this thread. "Diplo-brat".........lol!!!
We as believers can choose to live in the flesh or the Spirit. If one gets down to the basic where the rubber meets the road so to speak, sometimes ( more often then I'd like to think ) the only difference between we believers and the unbelievers is the blood of Christ!

[One Eyed Jack]

That is the only difference.

[keypurr]

Do you know what Diplomatic Immunity is?

In the US there is a law that says Diplomats from foreign countries are not subject to all of our laws. The worst that can be doen to them if they are breaking our laws is deportation. Well, this law applies to their children, as well.

I am posting this, because I see our relationship wioth God like Diplomatic Immunity. We are no longer subject to the law. We are immune to the penalties associated with it. We can do things that are against the law, and we will not suffer the punishments. Why? Because we are the children of God, and He is not subject to the law.

Of course, there are still things that can be done, if we go about doing these things, and that is, we can lose rewards. But we will not suffer hell, nor will we lose our salvation.

Also, there are certain laws that will not cause us to even lose rewards if we do not follow them.

Any thoughts?

Good post Lighthouse. Now tell me, should the diplomats obey the laws of the country they are in, or should the just forget them because thay are not under them?
God gave the laws, even if we did not have to worry about breaking them, should we?
Peace my friend

[newbietoJC]

Good post Lighthouse. Now tell me, should the diplomats obey the laws of the country they are in, or should the just forget them because thay are not under them?
God gave the laws, even if we did not have to worry about breaking them, should we?
Peace my friend
:think: Interesting comment!

[Lighthouse]

Diplomatic immunity is a good analogy.

Just as in diplomatic immunity, we can still cause harm to others or ourselves if we take it as a license to behave abominably. Said immunity does not stop us from misrepresenting Christ or misleading others.
I was going to say that. But you beat me to it.:thumb:

[Lighthouse]

Lawless-
Hi, old friend. Glad to see you back!

Good post Lighthouse. Now tell me, should the diplomats obey the laws of the country they are in, or should the just forget them because thay are not under them?
God gave the laws, even if we did not have to worry about breaking them, should we?
Peace my friend
Should we? Well we shouldn't murder. But that doesn't make it against the law. And eating shrimp is perfectly okay. As is eating meat that was offered to idols. Among other things.

[Frank Ernest]

Good post Lighthouse. Now tell me, should the diplomats obey the laws of the country they are in, or should the just forget them because thay are not under them?
God gave the laws, even if we did not have to worry about breaking them, should we?
Peace my friend
Job 1:6-12.

[keypurr]

Lawless-
Hi, old friend. Glad to see you back!


Should we? Well we shouldn't murder. But that doesn't make it against the law. And eating shrimp is perfectly okay. As is eating meat that was offered to idols. Among other things.
I don't like shrimp, you can have my share.

[God_Is_Truth]

Now tell me, should the diplomats obey the laws of the country they are in, or should the just forget them because thay are not under them?

they ought to conduct themselves in a godly manner no matter what country they are in. so long as the laws of the country do not entail sin, they should be followed.


God gave the laws, even if we did not have to worry about breaking them, should we?


the only country God gave law to was Israel. the Noahide Code was given for those descended from Noah, of which the Gentiles were included. we in the body of Christ are neither Jew nor Gentile. we neither under the law of Israel, nor the Noahide Code of the Gentiles. however, when we reside in the company of Jews, we should act like Jews, so as to win those who are Jews to Christ. in the same manner, when we are in the company of Gentiles, we should conduct ourselves like Gentiles so as to win those who are Gentiles to Christ.

[Lighthouse]

Except that we should not indulge in all manner of debauchery with those who do, because that won't lead them to Christ.

I know you weren't attempting to imply that, G_I_T, but I thought it best to cut it off at the pass, before you get accused of it.:thumb:

[God_Is_Truth]

Except that we should not indulge in all manner of debauchery with those who do, because that won't lead them to Christ.

I know you weren't attempting to imply that, G_I_T, but I thought it best to cut it off at the pass, before you get accused of it.:thumb:

did you overlook the first half of my post?

[Lighthouse]

No, but some people, *couhkeypurrcough* might.

[God_Is_Truth]

No, but some people, *couhkeypurrcough* might.

appreciate it :)

[keypurr]

they ought to conduct themselves in a godly manner no matter what country they are in. so long as the laws of the country do not entail sin, they should be followed.
Agree, now what is considered a Godly manner? :doh:
I will give you a hint, Love for God and Love for Man. Just as the commandmenst teach.

[keypurr]

No, but some people, *couhkeypurrcough* might.
good thing I am not a sensitive person Lighthouse or you could have hurt my feelings. :yawn:

[Lovejoy]

I think the analogy is good, but backwards. Diplomatic immunity prevents you from being punished in a foreign country, but still allows for the possibility of punishment in your country of origin. With Christ, we are made alien to this world but are still subject to punishment here, while being removed from the possibility of punishment in our true home. Otherwise, I like it.

[God_Is_Truth]

Agree, now what is considered a Godly manner? :doh:
I will give you a hint, Love for God and Love for Man. Just as the commandmenst teach.

9 of the commandments are about love. the Sabbath has nothing to do with love. you can try to say it's about loving God because he commanded it, but that's begging the question.

walking in a godly manner is about righteousness and love. it has nothing to do with observing special days, eating or not eating particular foods, how one dresses, or what kind of music one listens to.

[Lighthouse]

I think the analogy is good, but backwards. Diplomatic immunity prevents you from being punished in a foreign country, but still allows for the possibility of punishment in your country of origin. With Christ, we are made alien to this world but are still subject to punishment here, while being removed from the possibility of punishment in our true home. Otherwise, I like it.
Actually, I was not originally in Christ, now I am. We can be held responsible in our place of origin, but not in what is our new residence.

But the truth is that we are not punished for not keeping the Sabbath, or eating shrimp, or a lot of other things that are in the law, in either place. Right?

[wantsdirection]

Hey lighthouse... I will have to give the post another good reading... but I will post a comment. I have to gather my thoughts.

[Lighthouse]

Okay

[Delmar]

Actually, I was not originally in Christ, now I am. We can be held responsible in our place of origin, but not in what is our new residence.

But the truth is that we are not punished for not keeping the Sabbath, or eating shrimp, or a lot of other things that are in the law, in either place. Right?
We are not even suposed to keep symbolic law that does not apply to gentiles.

[Lighthouse]

But if a Christian is allergic to shellfish, it's okay if they don't eat it, isn't it? Or if they just want to be healthier?

[Ya'nar#1]

Do you know what Diplomatic Immunity is?

In the US there is a law that says Diplomats from foreign countries are not subject to all of our laws. The worst that can be doen to them if they are breaking our laws is deportation. Well, this law applies to their children, as well.

I am posting this, because I see our relationship wioth God like Diplomatic Immunity. We are no longer subject to the law. We are immune to the penalties associated with it. We can do things that are against the law, and we will not suffer the punishments. Why? Because we are the children of God, and He is not subject to the law.

Of course, there are still things that can be done, if we go about doing these things, and that is, we can lose rewards. But we will not suffer hell, nor will we lose our salvation.

Also, there are certain laws that will not cause us to even lose rewards if we do not follow them.

Any thoughts?

I believe we are subject to the law when we commit a sin we KNOW is a sin. Hence, we need repentence and forgiveness, since we have broken God's law. I believe this, because the Holy Spirit reminds me of things I do that are not in keepiing with God's law.

Some believe, I think, that the only time they need repent and confess is before their baptism. That after they have been baptized, it is not possible fof them to sin. I wonder about this kind of Christian, because it isn't the type of Christianity I'm acquainted with personally.

I understand the law which pertains to Christians since the death of Christ to be immutable and forever. Why? Because it deals with right and wrong, righteousness vs. wickedness. How people can say Jesus abolished the law at the cross is beyond me. Yes, He abolished those ceremonial laws and rituals which pointed to His first coming and life. But to say the laws pertaining to right and wrong were abolished, I don't get. Certainly we are not saved by these. But God continues to want us to do good, and unlike these people, I don't believe God merely depends upon our impulses to keep us from breaking the law. Why? Because we continue to live in a world of sin. It's all around us! These kind of people must be stumbling into sin all the time and aren't aware of it, simply because they've trained themselves NOT to listen to that "still small voice" of the Holy Spirit, directing them to stop and repent. I pray for these people in the judgment.

God Bless,

--Ya'nar :Princess:

[keypurr]

9 of the commandments are about love. the Sabbath has nothing to do with love. you can try to say it's about loving God because he commanded it, but that's begging the question.

walking in a godly manner is about righteousness and love. it has nothing to do with observing special days, eating or not eating particular foods, how one dresses, or what kind of music one listens to.

Love is expressed by doing what the person you love wants. God made the Sabbath Holy, HE wants us to keep it. Out of Love for Him, we should. Jesus said keep the commandments. ALL of them. But not in the manner of the old days, but in your heart. You can not pick and choose which ones are to be kept, for it is really ONE LAW. Breaking one, is breaking them all. Give to God that which is God's, Love and Respect.

[God_Is_Truth]

Love is expressed by doing what the person you love wants. God made the Sabbath Holy, HE wants us to keep it. Out of Love for Him, we should. Jesus said keep the commandments. ALL of them. But not in the manner of the old days, but in your heart. You can not pick and choose which ones are to be kept, for it is really ONE LAW. Breaking one, is breaking them all. Give to God that which is God's, Love and Respect.

you are begging the question by assuming God wants us to keep the Sabbath and then saying we should show we love God by honoring the Sabbath. i deny that God has commanded us in the body of Christ to honor the Sabbath. i believe we died to the principles of this world, and that includes the Sabbath day. i believe we died to the law and all that was in it so we might be raised to another (Romans 7). i believe that the "another" is Christ. thus, i live and conduct myself (or at least i strive to) in a godly manner pertaining to righteousness. i am free to honor one day more than another if i choose to do so but doing so does not mean i am loving God more and not doing so does not mean i am loving God less.

[Lovejoy]

Actually, I was not originally in Christ, now I am. We can be held responsible in our place of origin, but not in what is our new residence.

But the truth is that we are not punished for not keeping the Sabbath, or eating shrimp, or a lot of other things that are in the law, in either place. Right?
Agreed. We may get a talking to if we break those "rules" for the wrong reasons, such as contrariness, but (I believe) that is the worst that we face. In that, your analogy is very good. Those laws have no authority over us. Also, they have no value to us, as they lack the power to save!

[Lighthouse]

I believe we are subject to the law when we commit a sin we KNOW is a sin. Hence, we need repentence and forgiveness, since we have broken God's law. I believe this, because the Holy Spirit reminds me of things I do that are not in keepiing with God's law.
We are not under the law! Therefore we can not break the law! It is written in God's word! Can you not read?! What do you think this thread is about? It's about the fact that we are not under the law! So we can not break it! The forgiveness is ours! We have accepted Christ, and all our sins are forgiven! We are cleansed from all unrighteousness!

this doesn't change right or wrong, but it does change our relationship to the law. We ahve none, because Christ died, and we have been crucified with Him!

[Frank Ernest]

you are begging the question by assuming God wants us to keep the Sabbath and then saying we should show we love God by honoring the Sabbath. i deny that God has commanded us in the body of Christ to honor the Sabbath. i believe we died to the principles of this world, and that includes the Sabbath day. i believe we died to the law and all that was in it so we might be raised to another (Romans 7). i believe that the "another" is Christ. thus, i live and conduct myself (or at least i strive to) in a godly manner pertaining to righteousness. i am free to honor one day more than another if i choose to do so but doing so does not mean i am loving God more and not doing so does not mean i am loving God less.
Ex:20:8-11 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.


Matthew:12:1-7 At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn, and to eat. But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day. But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him; How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests? Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless? But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple. But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.

Ok. I see your point. :thumb:

[Delmar]

We are not under the law! Therefore we can not break the law! ...Execpt for criminal law, of coarse. That we are still subject to.

[Lovejoy]

Execpt for criminal law, of coarse. That we are still subject to.

Certainly! Just as Diplomats are still subject to the law of their home country, we are still subject to the laws of the world (although we are still aliens).

[God_Is_Truth]

Certainly! Just as Diplomats are still subject to the law of their home country, we are still subject to the laws of the world (although we are still aliens).

that doesn't make any sense. this world is not our home country. that is why we are aliens.

[Lovejoy]

that doesn't make any sense. this world is not our home country. that is why we are aliens.
Yeah, if you read one of my previous posts you will see that I already established that the analogy is backwards, but still makes sense.

[keypurr]

you are begging the question by assuming God wants us to keep the Sabbath and then saying we should show we love God by honoring the Sabbath. i deny that God has commanded us in the body of Christ to honor the Sabbath. i believe we died to the principles of this world, and that includes the Sabbath day. i believe we died to the law and all that was in it so we might be raised to another (Romans 7). i believe that the "another" is Christ. thus, i live and conduct myself (or at least i strive to) in a godly manner pertaining to righteousness. i am free to honor one day more than another if i choose to do so but doing so does not mean i am loving God more and not doing so does not mean i am loving God less.
I disagree somewhat
First. it was God ,not man that gave the Laws
Second . If he gave the laws, chances are they are not only of this world
Third. I do not doubt you ar anyone else about their love for God. Each does what they think is the way he thinks God wishes. I believe that grace of Jesus Christ will save me, but I also believe that HE gave the laws to Moses. That is how I show my love. God tell us to honor the seventh day, I do not feel qualified to pick another day. The one Christ kept is the one I want to.

[keypurr]

We are not under the law! Therefore we can not break the law! It is written in God's word! Can you not read?! What do you think this thread is about? It's about the fact that we are not under the law! So we can not break it! The forgiveness is ours! We have accepted Christ, and all our sins are forgiven! We are cleansed from all unrighteousness!

this doesn't change right or wrong, but it does change our relationship to the law. We ahve none, because Christ died, and we have been crucified with Him!

What do you interpert "Under the law"? If it is that we are not saved by the law, you are correct.

But,
The Law is Holy.Rom 7:12
Love God, Keep Commandments....1 John 5:2-4
Commandments Keepers Love Jesus.........John 14:21
What did Paul say in Rom 7:22
Blessed are they that do his commandments...Rev 22:14
Dragon makes war with commandment keepers.......Rev 12:17 WHY?

The law will not save us, but it is what he wants from us. For me to live is Christ.

[God_Is_Truth]

I disagree somewhat
First. it was God ,not man that gave the Laws

but the laws do not establish right and wrong. even if there is no law and has never been a law, murder is still wrong.


Second . If he gave the laws, chances are they are not only of this world

the laws reflect right and wrong which are not of this world.


Third. I do not doubt you ar anyone else about their love for God. Each does what they think is the way he thinks God wishes. I believe that grace of Jesus Christ will save me, but I also believe that HE gave the laws to Moses. That is how I show my love. God tell us to honor the seventh day, I do not feel qualified to pick another day. The one Christ kept is the one I want to.

Even IF he did give the laws to Moses, that does not mean we are automatically under them as well. we are in the body of Christ, a new organization which is neither Jewish nor Gentile in nature. so even if God gave laws to both Jews and Gentiles, those laws do not become our own automatically because we are not a part of either of those groups.

Following the Sabbath "because Christ did it" isn't the best of reasons either. we are to look to Jesus to be our guide morally, but not in other areas because he was a man under the law certainly until his crucifixion and that includes his entire 3 year ministry. through Paul, we know that we, in the body of Christ, are not under the law.

thus, we have two groups with completely different traits. one is under the law, one is not under the law. Christ was under the law, we are not. so it's not good enough to just say "well Christ did it so that means i should do it too". you need another, better reason for why you or anyone in the body of Christ should follow the Sabbath.

[Lighthouse]

Execpt for criminal law, of coarse. That we are still subject to.
What Lovejoy said.

We are subject to the criminal law of this land, but not as it pertains to our relationship with God.

[Lighthouse]

that doesn't make any sense. this world is not our home country. that is why we are aliens.
Actually it does. This is where we're originally from. And we are still subject to the laws here. but we are not subject to the laws of our new home, because there are no laws there. Nor are we subject to the laws of this land, in our new home.

[Lighthouse]

The law will not save us, but it is what he wants from us.
No, it isn't.

[keypurr]

No, it isn't.
The Law is Love Lighthouse. Think about it.

[keypurr]

Even IF he did give the laws to Moses, that does not mean we are automatically under them as well. we are in the body of Christ, a new organization which is neither Jewish nor Gentile in nature. so even if God gave laws to both Jews and Gentiles, those laws do not become our own automatically because we are not a part of either of those groups.
We are not under the laws, but we are sons of Abramham and the promise given him. So we should keep- them. ;)

[Lighthouse]

The Law is Love Lighthouse. Think about it.
No, it isn't.

"The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law."
-1 Corinthians 15:56

[Lighthouse]

We are not under the laws, but we are sons of Abramham and the promise given him. So we should keep- them. ;)
No, we shouldn't. Were you circumcized as part of your relationship with Christ? Paul tells us not to be.

If you love God, with all your heart, mind and soul, then you will naturally love yourself, and others as you love yourself. And you won't murder, or commit adultery, or any number of immoral things. But keeping the Sabbath is not a moral issue, and it as never intended for anyone other than Israel, the nation. It does not apply to those who are in Christ. It never has. And it didn't apply to the Gentiles before Christ, either. When the law was the way to live for God, then it was the way to live for god. But now the way to live for God is to let Christ live in you. If you are trying to do anything else in order to live for God, you are diminishing the work Christ did, on the cross. You are putting Him to an open shame. You are mocking Him, and what He did.

[keypurr]

but the laws do not establish right and wrong. even if there is no law and has never been a law, murder is still wrong.



the laws reflect right and wrong which are not of this world.



Even IF he did give the laws to Moses, that does not mean we are automatically under them as well. we are in the body of Christ, a new organization which is neither Jewish nor Gentile in nature. so even if God gave laws to both Jews and Gentiles, those laws do not become our own automatically because we are not a part of either of those groups.

Following the Sabbath "because Christ did it" isn't the best of reasons either. we are to look to Jesus to be our guide morally, but not in other areas because he was a man under the law certainly until his crucifixion and that includes his entire 3 year ministry. through Paul, we know that we, in the body of Christ, are not under the law.

thus, we have two groups with completely different traits. one is under the law, one is not under the law. Christ was under the law, we are not. so it's not good enough to just say "well Christ did it so that means i should do it too". you need another, better reason for why you or anyone in the body of Christ should follow the Sabbath.


GIT quote: the laws do not establish right and wrong. even if there is no law and has never been a law, murder is still wrong.
I disagree. They were given to tell us right from wrong.
The Sabbath was Christ's. He put it in HIS laws. I do not feel qualified to change it or put another day in its place. It has exsisted since creation.
Becaus of Christ, we are not "under the law", but under Christ. However his law is his will so we SHOULD keep it. Do you wand to be one of the lawless people mentioned by Paul? The sabbath is part of the law, we are not to break any part of it or we are guilty of breaking it all. Kind of like a chain with links.
I AM the Lord, thy God, you shall keep my Sabbath...............

[Lighthouse]

I disagree. They were given to tell us right from wrong.
The Sabbath was Christ's. He put it in HIS laws. I do not feel qualified to change it or put another day in its place. It has exsisted since creation.
Becaus of Christ, we are not "under the law", but under Christ. However his law is his will so we SHOULD keep it. Do you wand to be one of the lawless people mentioned by Paul? The sabbath is part of the law, we are not to break any part of it or we are guilty of breaking it all. Kind of like a chain with links.
I AM the Lord, thy God, you shall keep my Sabbath...............
:rolleyes:

We have never kept the law perfectly. Which means we are already guilty of breaking it all. But it is now kept in Christ, for us. We do not have to keep the Sabbath. The priests didn't keep the Sabbath. And we are a royal priesthood, are we not?

[Lawless]

I agree with Lighthouse.......

I am " Lawless " (sinner)....Therefore under the law I am Judged, condemned, and dead. I can not attain life.

Thru the sacrifice of the blood I am made just thru Christ, not of my works, but of his! The "Law" becomes dead thru the blood, therefore I am no longer under judgment but under the blood......a just and holy sacrifice I am given Life!. Redemption at no cost to me!!!!.......What greater Love is there!!!!! What a great and wonderful Creator we have!!. Thru Christ I am " Law-less ".................Thru Christ I have Life.......The truth will set you free!!.........not works!

[Lovejoy]

What Lovejoy said.

We are subject to the criminal law of this land, but not as it pertains to our relationship with God.

Except for the part where Lovejoy can't spell "of course." Man, I have got to re-read my posts!

[keypurr]

No, it isn't.

"The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law."
-1 Corinthians 15:56

Jeremiah 31:31-37 The New Covenant

"I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts....I will be their God and they will be my people.

Christians are the house of spiritual Israel

[keypurr]

:rolleyes:

We have never kept the law perfectly. Which means we are already guilty of breaking it all. But it is now kept in Christ, for us. We do not have to keep the Sabbath. The priests didn't keep the Sabbath. And we are a royal priesthood, are we not?

I know we and the priest never kept the law perfectly. But Christ did. And because he did, he could become the perfect sacrifice for our sins (failure to keep the law) That does not excuse us from the spirit of the law.

Are you a member of the Royal Priesthood if you do not follow his ways?

[keypurr]

I agree with Lighthouse.......

I am " Lawless " (sinner)....Therefore under the law I am Judged, condemned, and dead. I can not attain life.

Thru the sacrifice of the blood I am made just thru Christ, not of my works, but of his! The "Law" becomes dead thru the blood, therefore I am no longer under judgment but under the blood......a just and holy sacrifice I am given Life!. Redemption at no cost to me!!!!.......What greater Love is there!!!!! What a great and wonderful Creator we have!!. Thru Christ I am " Law-less ".................Thru Christ I have Life.......The truth will set you free!!.........not works!

I do not say that works will save anyone. We can't earn our way. But we should not give up his laws because he died for us. Accepting Christ is accepting his ways. Walk as he walked. The law is love, love for God and Love for man. The commandments only tell you how you should do it. His grace will not be given to all, but to a few. As Paul said, run the race to win.

[Lighthouse]

Jeremiah 31:31-37 The New Covenant

"I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts....I will be their God and they will be my people.

Christians are the house of spiritual Israel
Where do you get that Jeremiah 31 is speaking of the new covenant? And did you forget that Paul specifically states that what he preached was a mystery, not known to Israel, ever? That means that Jeremiah could not have been prophesying about the dispensation of grace, and how the law applies to it [which it doesn't].

Nothing in the Bible says the Body of Christ is spiritual Israel. That term is not in the word of God, anywhere!

[Lighthouse]

I know we and the priest never kept the law perfectly. But Christ did. And because he did, he could become the perfect sacrifice for our sins (failure to keep the law) That does not excuse us from the spirit of the law.

Are you a member of the Royal Priesthood if you do not follow his ways?
Spirit of the law? Where is that in God's word? I'll tell you where... nowhere!

Christ sacrafice freed us from the law.
"All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any."
-1 Corinthians 6:12
"All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all thngs are lawful for me, but all things edify not."
-1 Corinthians 10:23

I am a member of the royal priesthood, if I am a part of the holy nation. And I can only be a aprt of either if God has made me so. Not by anythng I do, or any laws I follow. I love the Lord my God with all of my heart, mind and soul. And by that token I love myself. And I love my neighbor as I love myself. This is why I do not murder, commit adultery, rape, or even want to do any of these things. It is also why I rest in Christ, always. Not just on one day of the week.

My reference to the priests was that they did not rest on the Sabbath. They did not keep it, as the other Israelites did. Because they were not supposed to. Think about it, will ya?

[God_Is_Truth]

But we should not give up his laws because he died for us. Accepting Christ is accepting his ways.

Romans 7
4Therefore, my brethren, you also were made to die to the Law through the body of Christ, so that you might be joined to another, to Him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God.

the entire point of this verse is that we have died to the law, not so that we can serve it again, but so that we can serve Christ. in other words, to serve Christ is to leave behind the law. thus, because he died we are in fact supposed to give up his laws. we died to the law that we could be joined to him through the body of Christ.

[Lighthouse]

I do not say that works will save anyone. We can't earn our way. But we should not give up his laws because he died for us. Accepting Christ is accepting his ways. Walk as he walked. The law is love, love for God and Love for man. The commandments only tell you how you should do it. His grace will not be given to all, but to a few. As Paul said, run the race to win.
The Law is not love! And if you think of love as the law, then you are devoid of love entirely. Love is not some rule, or rules by which we should abide. Love is love. If you want to know what love is, read 1 Corinthians 13. That is love. And it is not garnered by rules and regulations.

[Lovejoy]

Interesting. The law as love? I understand what Keypurr is saying, as the commandments were meant to teach love, though in the end they did not. All of the law was designed to teach the two commandments that Christ gives us, and those are surely of love. However, the law as love? Given for love, yes, so long as we are talking about tough love.

[Lighthouse]

Sometimes tough, sometimes gentle, but always true is the love of our Lord.

[Frank Ernest]

Sometimes tough, sometimes gentle, but always true is the love of our Lord.
Amen. The law is there because our love is not always true.

[Lighthouse]

Exactly, FrankiE!

[keypurr]

Where do you get that Jeremiah 31 is speaking of the new covenant? And did you forget that Paul specifically states that what he preached was a mystery, not known to Israel, ever? That means that Jeremiah could not have been prophesying about the dispensation of grace, and how the law applies to it [which it doesn't].

Nothing in the Bible says the Body of Christ is spiritual Israel. That term is not in the word of God, anywhere!

Who was given the new covenant? Jeremiah knewsome of the mysteries on God, and all about grace also.

[keypurr]

[QUOTE]Lighthouse quote: I am a member of the royal priesthood, if I am a part of the holy nation. And I can only be a aprt of either if God has made me so. Not by anythng I do, or any laws I follow. I love the Lord my God with all of my heart, mind and soul. And by that token I love myself. And I love my neighbor as I love myself. This is why I do not murder, commit adultery, rape, or even want to do any of these things. It is also why I rest in Christ, always. Not just on one day of the week.
Seems to me your keeping all the laws but one.

[keypurr]

Romans 7
4Therefore, my brethren, you also were made to die to the Law through the body of Christ, so that you might be joined to another, to Him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God.

the entire point of this verse is that we have died to the law, not so that we can serve it again, but so that we can serve Christ. in other words, to serve Christ is to leave behind the law. thus, because he died we are in fact supposed to give up his laws. we died to the law that we could be joined to him through the body of Christ.

I am not talking about serving the law. I am saying we SHOULD keep the law. To serve Christ, keep his law. Not because we have to, but because we want to. That is not serving the law, but serving Christ. Remember HE GAVE THE LAW.

[keypurr]

Where do you get that Jeremiah 31 is speaking of the new covenant? And did you forget that Paul specifically states that what he preached was a mystery, not known to Israel, ever? That means that Jeremiah could not have been prophesying about the dispensation of grace, and how the law applies to it [which it doesn't].

Nothing in the Bible says the Body of Christ is spiritual Israel. That term is not in the word of God, anywhere!

Hebrews 8:10For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: 11And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. 12For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. 13In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

Notice "House of Israel" new covenant. Who do you think he was talking about?

[God_Is_Truth]

I am not talking about serving the law. I am saying we SHOULD keep the law. To serve Christ, keep his law. Not because we have to, but because we want to. That is not serving the law, but serving Christ. Remember HE GAVE THE LAW.

to say one should observe the law is to serve the law, just as Israel did.

[God_Is_Truth]

Notice "House of Israel" new covenant. Who do you think he was talking about?

the same "House of Israel" he made the old one with (which was not spiritual).

[Mr. 5020]

to say one should observe the law is to serve the law, just as Israel did.Ah, the smell of legalistic grace.

[God_Is_Truth]

Ah, the smell of legalistic grace.

now there's an oxymoron if i ever heard one :D

[keypurr]

to say one should observe the law is to serve the law, just as Israel did.
I guess I am just being a pain tonight, but I disagree. Observing the law is NOT being held hostage to it. It is our schoolmaster on how to love God and mankind. Israel was given 490 years to return to God before he let the word go to the Gentiles. That is 7x70. Daniel

[Mr. 5020]

I guess I am just being a pain tonight, but I disagree. Observing the law is NOT being held hostage to it. It is our schoolmaster on how to love God and mankind. Israel was given 490 years to return to God before he let the word go to the Gentiles. That is 7x70. DanielI agree. To say "YOU CANNOT FOLLOW THE LAW UNDER GRACE!!! IT IS NOT ALLOWED!!!" is just another type of legalism.

[keypurr]

the same "House of Israel" he made the old one with (which was not spiritual).

It was in the beginning, but then feel apart due to human nature. Christ came to restore the truth and create a spiritual Israel. That does not mean you have to get circumcised in the flesh, but in the spirit. It is not a nation related thing.

[keypurr]

I agree. To say "YOU CANNOT FOLLOW THE LAW UNDER GRACE!!! IT IS NOT ALLOWED!!!" is just another type of legalism.

No it is what he wants. IT IS ONLY LEGALISM IF YOU DO IT BECAUSE YOU THINK YOU HAVE TO.

Grace does not erase the law, it does not take away from its importance. Even if cannot be saved by the works of the law, it is the principles in life he want us to do. I am talking about the Ten Commandments only now. The rest of the laws were hung on the cross.

[God_Is_Truth]

It was in the beginning, but then feel apart due to human nature. Christ came to restore the truth and create a spiritual Israel. That does not mean you have to get circumcised in the flesh, but in the spirit. It is not a nation related thing.

there is little evidence that Christ came to create a "spiritual Israel". the new covenant of Jeremiah 31 applies to the same country which the old one was made with. the old one was made at Mt. Sinai under Moses to a people called Israel.

[keypurr]

there is little evidence that Christ came to create a "spiritual Israel". the new covenant of Jeremiah 31 applies to the same country which the old one was made with. the old one was made at Mt. Sinai under Moses to a people called Israel.

Jeremiah31:33But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Notice "I will make........", future covenant. Not old covenant.

[Lighthouse]

Who was given the new covenant? Jeremiah knewsome of the mysteries on God, and all about grace also.
The new covenant was given through Christ's blood, but the mystery of the dispensation of grace was not revealed to anyone, until it was revealed to Paul.

[Lighthouse]

Seems to me your keeping all the laws but one.
Wrong.

I eat shellfish. I wear mixed linens. I do all sorts of things.

Now, if you are talking abotu the ten commandments, well, it seems that I am keeping them, but I'm not. Why? Because I do not desire to murder, or commit adultery, or dishonor my parents... etc., etc. Do you understand? I am in Christ, and free from sin, so I do not desire to do these things. And since I do not desire to do them, I am not actively keeping the law. Also, it isn't about keeping the law. It's merely the natural state of who I am in Christ.

[Lighthouse]

I am not talking about serving the law. I am saying we SHOULD keep the law. To serve Christ, keep his law. Not because we have to, but because we want to. That is not serving the law, but serving Christ. Remember HE GAVE THE LAW.
Wrong. He gave the law to Israel. To us, the Body of Christ, He gave grace. We do not serve the law, we serve Christ. That these things are in the law are of no consequence to us. It is the natural state of who we are in Christ, to live godly lives. It isn't about what the lwa says, or doesn't say. t's about love, and love alone.

[Lighthouse]

Hebrews 8:10For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: 11And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. 12For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. 13In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

Notice "House of Israel" new covenant. Who do you think he was talking about?
House of Israel. Not Body of Christ.

The law is at enmity with grace. For the law brings knowledge of sin, which leads to death. But grace brings freedom from sin, which is abundant life!

[Lighthouse]

I guess I am just being a pain tonight, but I disagree. Observing the law is NOT being held hostage to it. It is our schoolmaster on how to love God and mankind. Israel was given 490 years to return to God before he let the word go to the Gentiles. That is 7x70. Daniel
Observing the law is being held hostage to it. It is not our schoolmaster on how to love God, but on why we need Jesus. But we no longer need the schoolmaster if we have Jesus.

And Israel was not turned away from God. They were given 490 years before God would be finished. But, since they rejected Christ, through whom salvation is, God changed His mind, and went to the Gentiles, without the law.

[God_Is_Truth]

Jeremiah31:33But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Notice "I will make........", future covenant. Not old covenant.

i am not disagreeing that it speaks of the new covenant. i am disagreeing that it is made with "spiritual Israel". i am saying it is made with physical Israel, the same as the old one was made with.

[keypurr]

i am not disagreeing that it speaks of the new covenant. i am disagreeing that it is made with "spiritual Israel". i am saying it is made with physical Israel, the same as the old one was made with.

Jeremiah31:33But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

House of Israel"???????

Jews first, then the Gentiles.

[God_Is_Truth]

Jeremiah31:33But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

House of Israel"???????

Jews first, then the Gentiles.

what is your point?

[keypurr]

what is your point?

Are you involved in the NEW covenant that Jesus taught?

The one that went to the House of Israel.

Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Israel has always been God's chosen people. We are spiritual Israelites.

[God_Is_Truth]

Are you involved in the NEW covenant that Jesus taught?

The one that went to the House of Israel.

Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Israel has always been God's chosen people. We are spiritual Israelites.

yes, and the whole point of the mystery is that i am a part of it without going through Israel. God now reconciles both Jews and Gentiles into one body, whereas before one had to go through Israel as a nation. thus, the new covenant is with the same Israel that the old one was made with, but through the manifold wisdom of God, a new program was instigated in which Jews and Gentiles would temporarily be brought into one body, Christ where there would be neither Jews nor Gentiles.

[Lighthouse]

Great post, G_I_T!:thumb:

[God_Is_Truth]

thanks LH

[keypurr]

yes, and the whole point of the mystery is that i am a part of it without going through Israel. God now reconciles both Jews and Gentiles into one body, whereas before one had to go through Israel as a nation. thus, the new covenant is with the same Israel that the old one was made with, but through the manifold wisdom of God, a new program was instigated in which Jews and Gentiles would temporarily be brought into one body, Christ where there would be neither Jews nor Gentiles.

I agree to a point. Prophecy point to (a new) Israel (Christian). A body of belivers that do his will. A church sort of. To help us understand this he call these people Israel. Not in a physical sense, but spiritually. In Christ we are his chosen people.

[God_Is_Truth]

I agree to a point. Prophecy point to (a new) Israel (Christian). A body of belivers that do his will. A church sort of. To help us understand this he call these people Israel. Not in a physical sense, but spiritually. In Christ we are his chosen people.

although we are his chosen people, i still don't feel justified in calling us "spiritual Israel". i believe there will still be a physical Israel to whom God will fulfill his obligations which for now have been left unfulfilled, albeit temporarily.

[Lighthouse]

Not to mention the idea of "spiritual Israel" is not found in the Bible.

[Ya'nar#1]

We are not under the law! Therefore we can not break the law! It is written in God's word! Can you not read?! What do you think this thread is about? It's about the fact that we are not under the law! So we can not break it! The forgiveness is ours! We have accepted Christ, and all our sins are forgiven! We are cleansed from all unrighteousness!

this doesn't change right or wrong, but it does change our relationship to the law. We ahve none, because Christ died, and we have been crucified with Him!


So you believe in the "holy flesh" doctrine? That it is not possible for the Christian to commit a sin after baptism? If you do, do you understand what a terrible heresy this doctrine is? That it can lead to one committing a multitude of sins in thought, word, and deed, under the excuse that it is not possible for the Christian to sin?

Can you see what an error this is, lighthouse?

--Ya'nar :Princess:

[Ya'nar#1]

Not to mention the idea of "spiritual Israel" is not found in the Bible.

The concept of spiritual Israel is in the Bible, it just isn't identified by this term:

EPH 3:3-6 ". . . by revelation he made known unto me the mystery . . . Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; That the Gentiles should be fellow-heirs, and of the same body and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel." The "mystery" is that the Gentiles would be "fellow-heirs" with the Jews, and as such would receive "spiritual gifts" as had the Jews, only in greater abundance, the work going out to ALL the world, and not just restricted to Palestine and the Med. alone.

ROM 2:14, 15 "For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves. Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts . . ." In other words, when the Gentiles came to love God and know Him as it had been the privilege of the Jews to know Him, they would "show the work of the law written in their hearts." Obedience is the response of a grateful, loving heart; a heart united with the Jews in "spiritual" love, thus all of Christ's followers then becoming one in "spiritual Israel."

JEREMIAH 31:33
"But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts . .."

Meaning, God will unite both the Jew and the Gentile in love for Him. And this love for Him will drive them both to recognize the God of the New Covenant; that they will be united "in the Spirit" --or as "spiritual Israel." A new dispensation of grace will be born after Christ's sacrificial death.

We have a direct example of spiritual Israel in Revelation 7. The twelve tribles of Israel are referring to spiritual Israel, not a literal Israel, since no one today is aware of what "tribe" they belong to.

What is so difficult about understanding this? Or is it just that it doesn't fit into your preconceived theology? We err when we try to make the scriptures fit into those theories of "truth" we prefer to believe. Keep an open mind and allow God's Spirit to direct you to His truth, after much prayer. God's Spirit will not impose upon you His truth if you are stubbornly refusing to see it. And only He knows our hearts.

God Bless,

--Ya'nar :Princess:

[God_Is_Truth]

Meaning, God will unite both the Jew and the Gentile in love for Him. And this love for Him will drive them both to recognize the God of the New Covenant; that they will be united "in the Spirit" --or as "spiritual Israel." A new dispensation of grace will be born after Christ's sacrificial death.

where was the "dispensation of grace" ever prophesied? where was it ever prophesied that they would become "one in a new body" ?


We have a direct example of spiritual Israel in Revelation 7. The twelve tribles of Israel are referring to spiritual Israel, not a literal Israel, since no one today is aware of what "tribe" they belong to.

you are assuming they are spiritual Israel when the text states no such thing. it seems to me to be regarding physical Israel much more so than spiritual.


Keep an open mind and allow God's Spirit to direct you to His truth, after much prayer.

that sounds strangely like what mormons say about the book of mormon "just pray about it". i prefer to do what Paul said to do which was

1 Thessalonians 5:21
21But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good

he says nothing about praying to see which things are true, but rather to examine everything carefully. you don't examine something by praying about it.

[keypurr]

where was the "dispensation of grace" ever prophesied? where was it ever prophesied that they would become "one in a new body" ?



you are assuming they are spiritual Israel when the text states no such thing. it seems to me to be regarding physical Israel much more so than spiritual.



that sounds strangely like what mormons say about the book of mormon "just pray about it". i prefer to do what Paul said to do which was

1 Thessalonians 5:21
21But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good

he says nothing about praying to see which things are true, but rather to examine everything carefully. you don't examine something by praying about it.

1 Thessalonians 5:21Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

I wish everyone did this. Praying for guidance will help to see the secret things that are overlooked by most.
When the spirit comes into your heart, it usuaslly comes in pieces that you can absorbe. As you study more, you will see more. What one sees the other doesnot, and vice versa. That is why we can all learn from each other.

[Lighthouse]

So you believe in the "holy flesh" doctrine? That it is not possible for the Christian to commit a sin after baptism? If you do, do you understand what a terrible heresy this doctrine is? That it can lead to one committing a multitude of sins in thought, word, and deed, under the excuse that it is not possible for the Christian to sin?

Can you see what an error this is, lighthouse?

--Ya'nar :Princess:
Holy flesh? No. The flesh will never be redeemed. It is impossible. I am only holy in Christ, and it is not my flesh that is in Christ. I am free from sin, because He has made me free from sin. And it is impossible to break the law, when there is no law. Your definition of sin is flawed.

What does baptism have to do with this? Anyone who places their faith in Christ is a Christian.

[Lighthouse]

The concept of spiritual Israel is in the Bible, it just isn't identified by this term:

EPH 3:3-6 ". . . by revelation he made known unto me the mystery . . . Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; That the Gentiles should be fellow-heirs, and of the same body and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel." The "mystery" is that the Gentiles would be "fellow-heirs" with the Jews, and as such would receive "spiritual gifts" as had the Jews, only in greater abundance, the work going out to ALL the world, and not just restricted to Palestine and the Med. alone.

ROM 2:14, 15 "For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves. Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts . . ." In other words, when the Gentiles came to love God and know Him as it had been the privilege of the Jews to know Him, they would "show the work of the law written in their hearts." Obedience is the response of a grateful, loving heart; a heart united with the Jews in "spiritual" love, thus all of Christ's followers then becoming one in "spiritual Israel."

JEREMIAH 31:33
"But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts . .."

Meaning, God will unite both the Jew and the Gentile in love for Him. And this love for Him will drive them both to recognize the God of the New Covenant; that they will be united "in the Spirit" --or as "spiritual Israel." A new dispensation of grace will be born after Christ's sacrificial death.

We have a direct example of spiritual Israel in Revelation 7. The twelve tribles of Israel are referring to spiritual Israel, not a literal Israel, since no one today is aware of what "tribe" they belong to.

What is so difficult about understanding this? Or is it just that it doesn't fit into your preconceived theology? We err when we try to make the scriptures fit into those theories of "truth" we prefer to believe. Keep an open mind and allow God's Spirit to direct you to His truth, after much prayer. God's Spirit will not impose upon you His truth if you are stubbornly refusing to see it. And only He knows our hearts.

God Bless,

--Ya'nar :Princess:
G_I_T has answered you pretty well. We are the Body of Christ, not spiritual Israel.

[keypurr]

Food for thought:
What is the differance, if any, between the Nation of Israel and the "House of Israel"

I have not spent any time on this question, by it came to my mind in this forum.

[God_Is_Truth]

Food for thought:
What is the differance, if any, between the Nation of Israel and the "House of Israel"

I have not spent any time on this question, by it came to my mind in this forum.

i've never heard of any distinction myself.

[Lighthouse]

There is no distinction. They are one and the same.

[keypurr]

I am not prepared at this time to agree or disagree with you my friend.

[Lighthouse]

When are you ever?

[keypurr]

When are you ever?
Lighthouse, when I am not familiar with a subject, I don't pretent to be. Some are here to debate to inflate their egos, I just want to share thoughts. In time, you might see some of the things I have been saying have might some truth to it.

[Lighthouse]

I used to beleive some of the same things you are saying. I was wrong. So are you.

[keypurr]

I guess that shows that we are not perfect, yet.

[Lighthouse]

We will never be perfect in the flesh...

[keypurr]

I agree, but we should still try.

[Lighthouse]

I agree, but we should still try.
Why? We know we never will be. But if we just live our lives, because Christ is in us, then we will live our lives as good as possible. In fact, wiht Christ in us, as long as we rememember that, we will live better lives than we would if He wasn't in us.

[keypurr]

Why? We know we never will be. But if we just live our lives, because Christ is in us, then we will live our lives as good as possible. In fact, wiht Christ in us, as long as we rememember that, we will live better lives than we would if He wasn't in us.
I seek wisdom and understanding so I can build up my faith for him even higher. The more you know about God, the more you will love him as he loves you. He blots out our sins if we are sincere.

[God_Is_Truth]

He blots out our sins if we are sincere.

this is false. one can be sincerely wrong. mormons are sincere in what they believe but they do not have their sins blotted out.

[keypurr]

this is false. one can be sincerely wrong. mormons are sincere in what they believe but they do not have their sins blotted out.

That would be a good subject to start a thread on.

I think God looks at the intent of the heart when he will pass judgement on us. If we are sincerly loving him and doing what we think he wants from us why would he not show us mercy? I would hope that would count for something. But man does not think like God. If we love everyone like he did, we will have fulfilled his law.

[God_Is_Truth]

I think God looks at the intent of the heart when he will pass judgement on us. If we are sincerly loving him and doing what we think he wants from us why would he not show us mercy? I would hope that would count for something. But man does not think like God. If we love everyone like he did, we will have fulfilled his law.

the question is, are we serving Him? if we are actually serving him sincerely and are serving Jesus sincerely, then i believe one falls under the mercy. but if we are sincerely serving something other than God (something clearly an idol), i do not believe we receive mercy.

[keypurr]

the question is, are we serving Him? if we are actually serving him sincerely and are serving Jesus sincerely, then i believe one falls under the mercy. but if we are sincerely serving something other than God (something clearly an idol), i do not believe we receive mercy.

I agree :up: