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drbrumley
April 10th, 2005, 08:53 PM
First off, let me say I am a big U2 fan. I really like the music they play. But that does not mean I idolize the band or even the members in it.

The group is active in political causes, but they are liberal, humanistic ones. For example, in 1992 they played a benefit concert for the environmentalist/pacifist group Greenpeace and joined Greenpeace in protesting against a nuclear power plant. One of their hits, “Pride,” is a tribute to the civil rights leader Martin Luther King; and in 1994, U2 received the Martin Luther King Freedom Award. King was an adulterous, modernistic preacher who taught a false social gospel. U2 supported the adulterous, abortion-homosexual supporting Bill Clinton in his 1992 run for president. Clinton conversed with them on a national radio talk show during the election campaign and met them in a hotel room in Chicago. At the same time they mocked George Bush during their USA concerts that year. They featured a video clip depicting Bush chanting the words to “We Will Rock You” by the homosexual rock group Queen. Members of U2 performed at Bill Clinton’s televised inaugural ball on MTV. Bono said he was glad that Clinton’s election was a victory for homosexuals (Flanagan, p. 100).

Bono’s passion in recent years has been AIDS and poverty in Africa. He has petitioned Western governments such as America and Britain to cancel the debts of African nations and to increase foreign aid. While Bono does call upon African leaders to “practice democracy, accountability, and transparency,” he does not tie this in with foreign aid and does not put the blame of Africa’s AIDS and poverty problem where it truly and solely belongs, which is government corruption, pagan religion, and its corollary, the lack of moral character, and immorality. If the entire wealth of America and Europe were transferred to Africa tomorrow, it would not result in significant and lasting change unless these factors were first addressed, and Bono’s plan does not significantly address them nor require any such radical systemic change. Instead, Bono puts the largest part of the blame for Africa’s ills upon the unfair trade practices of and lack of aid by Western nations and the lack of compassion on the part of Christians. Speaking before Wheaton College in December 2002, Bono said, “Christ talks about the poor [and says] ‘whatever you have done to least of these brothers of mine, you've done to me.’ In Africa right now, the least of my brethren are dying in shiploads and we are not responding. We're here to sound the alarm” (Christianity Today, Dec. 9, 2002). Bono thus grossly misapplies Christ’s statement in Matthew 25:40, applying it to the unsaved in general rather than to the nation Israel. The is the Fatherhood of God heresy that Mother Teresa also held, that all men are the children of God regardless of whether they have faith in Christ. Further, if Matthew 25:40 is a reference to the unsaved in general, the apostles and early Christians failed miserably, for there is no record that they attempted to relieve the social ills of the Roman Empire in general. In fact, the context of Matthew 25:32-46 is immediately following the return of Christ at the end of the Tribulation, and it describes how Christ will judge the nations on the basis of how they treated His people the Jews, which will be so viciously persecuted during that period. Compare Rev. 7:4-14.

At Wheaton Bono also said, “It’s a remarkable thing, the idea that there’s some sort of hierarchy to sin. It’s something I can never figure out, the idea that sexual immorality is somehow much worse than, say, institutional greed. Somewhere in the back of the religious mind is this idea that we reap what we sow is missing the entire New Testament and the concept of grace completely” (“Backstage with Bono,” Christianitytoday.com music interviews, Dec. 9, 2002). Bono’s speeches are as ambiguous as his music lyrics, but the Christianity Today reporter understood that Bono was saying that reaping what we sow is not a biblical teaching and is contrary to grace. In fact, the Bible plainly says, “Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap” (Galatians 6:7), and that was stated in the very context of Paul’s teaching about grace. God’s grace through Christ is offered to all men, but its reception requires repentance and faith (Acts 20:21). Nowhere in the New Testament do we find Christ or the apostles fretting about “institutional greed” or rebuking the Roman government for its institutional sins; but the New Testament says a LOT about personal sin and sexual immorality!

Bono’s christ appears to be a false one. He says he is “attracted to people like Martin Luther King, Gandhi, Christ, to pacifism” (U2: The Rolling Stone Files, p. xxviii). The Lord Jesus Christ of the Bible is not a pacifist. He is not anything like the adulterous, theologically modernist Martin Luther King or the Hindu Gandhi. Christ did instruct His people not to resist evil in the sense of taking up arms for religious causes. When persecuted, we are to endure it (1 Cor. 4:12); but Christ did not teach pacifism. Christ’s forerunner, John the Baptist, warned soldiers to be content with their wages, but he did not rebuke them for carrying arms as soldiers (Lk. 3:14). Before his death, Christ instructed his followers to provide swords for themselves (Lk. 22:32-38). Christ said he came not to send peace but a sword (Mt. 10:34). In fact, the Lord Jesus Christ will return on a white horse to make war with his enemies (Rev. 19:11-16). The Christ of the Bible is no pacifist and He did not establish a pacifist movement.

Cite (http://www.wayoflife.org/fbns/rockgroupu2.html)

Ninjashadow
April 10th, 2005, 09:10 PM
:think: That's very interesting.

Mr. 5020
April 10th, 2005, 09:16 PM
Yes, he idolizes U2, and it's creepy...we knew that before you posted the article.

:)

SOTK
April 10th, 2005, 11:04 PM
:chuckle:

Lighthouse
April 11th, 2005, 02:41 AM
That's a great article.

However, rock & roll itself is not contrary to who one may be in Christ, as the "cite" appears to be saying. But the lifestyle associated with secular rock bands is. However, the same can be said about secualr pop bands, secular rap groups, or any number of secular musicians. It's not about the style of music, it's about the message, and the lifestyle of those in the band.

julie21
April 11th, 2005, 02:57 AM
Gee...what more can a person say?
:BRAVO:

Lucky
April 11th, 2005, 04:30 AM
Edge-ians are "a little creepy." :freak:

Delmar
April 11th, 2005, 06:24 AM
Yes, he idolizes U2, and it's creepy...we knew that before you posted the article.

:) He may wear Edge underwear I don't know. He clearly likes U2 a lot. Whether he really has a creepy devotion to The Edge or is just having fun making you think so is a little bit hard to discern from the piot of veiew of someone who only sees the TOL veiw of him.

The Edge
April 11th, 2005, 06:58 AM
:kookoo:

Delmar
April 11th, 2005, 07:02 AM
:kookoo:
was that directed at me or the thread?

The Edge
April 11th, 2005, 07:02 AM
Yeah, I told you guys I've set up an altar to The Edge in my house, and I'm trying to save up to buy his guitars, and I also am trying to contact him so he can come to the US and give me guiatar lessons (as soon as their current tour is over) and I also have a license plate on my van bearing his name. This board? This is only the beginning!!!

Seriously, come on people. You're not going to draw me into another crazy fight...especially you, Doc

The Edge
April 11th, 2005, 07:02 AM
The thread, deardelmar. The thread, and it's starter.

Chileice
April 11th, 2005, 07:06 AM
First off, let me say I am a big U2 fan. I really like the music they play. But that does not mean I idolize the band or even the members in it.



Cite (http://www.wayoflife.org/fbns/rockgroupu2.html)

What about drbrumley's CREEPY devotion to Ron Paul?? I mean honestly, brumley you have started more than a dozen threads all based on Ron Paul speeches or press releases. So it may be a bit of a case of the pot calling the kettle black. We all have people, music groups, artists, someone we admire. I really don't think your devotion to Ron Paul makes you a creep. I am just pointing out how easy it is to see something odd in the other guy when others could say the same about you or about me.

julie21
April 11th, 2005, 07:19 AM
What about drbrumley's CREEPY devotion to Ron Paul?? I mean honestly, brumley you have started more than a dozen threads all based on Ron Paul speeches or press releases. So it may be a bit of a case of the pot calling the kettle black. We all have people, music groups, artists, someone we admire. I really don't think your devotion to Ron Paul makes you a creep. I am just pointing out how easy it is to see something odd in the other guy when others could say the same about you or about me.
Here! Here! Chileice...a voice of reason in the wilderness! Nw that is a 'gentle rebuke' if ever I've seen one! ;)

The Edge
April 11th, 2005, 08:06 AM
Who is Ron Paul?

Dread Helm
April 11th, 2005, 08:14 AM
Maybe he meant John Paul....

Chileice
April 11th, 2005, 08:19 AM
Maybe he meant John Paul....

See this thread for example:
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19428
I meant Ron Paul. He is a congressman and brumley has started a bunch of threads based on his speeches or press releases. I guess you haven'read any of them yet.

julie21
April 11th, 2005, 08:21 AM
For a moment , I thought you had meant John Paul Ringo and George! Silly me :doh: [Only having some fun now, Chileice ;)]

The Edge
April 11th, 2005, 08:51 AM
No. I don't pay much attention to Doc Brumley, so I don't know most of what he wrote.

On Fire
April 11th, 2005, 09:31 AM
RuPaul?

The Edge
April 11th, 2005, 10:11 AM
RuPaul?
Now THAT'S creepy.

BillyBob
April 11th, 2005, 10:57 AM
Bono is a flaming commie.

Zakath
April 11th, 2005, 10:59 AM
Bono is a flaming commie.
Odd, I thought he was Irish... :cheers:

Caledvwlch
April 11th, 2005, 11:02 AM
Bono looks like a fool in that stupid I-Pod commercial. But The Edge does play a mean guitar.

BillyBob
April 11th, 2005, 11:13 AM
Odd, I thought he was Irish... :cheers:

Same thing.

Zakath
April 11th, 2005, 11:16 AM
Same thing.
:confused:

BillyBob
April 11th, 2005, 05:50 PM
:D



.

Mr. 5020
April 11th, 2005, 07:20 PM
Who is Ron Paul?
I think you may find some information on him in some of the threads drbrumley has started. Choose from below...

http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19428
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19357
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19083
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18616
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19041
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18988
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18942
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18948
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18804
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18709

Do I stop now or keep going?

Mr. 5020
April 11th, 2005, 08:16 PM
Yes, he idolizes U2, and it's creepy...we knew that before you posted the article.

:)The Edge gave me bad rep points for this. :confused:

The Edge
April 11th, 2005, 08:26 PM
So, 5020? Knight knocked me down 75 points!!!!!

Mr. 5020
April 11th, 2005, 08:30 PM
So, 5020? Knight knocked me down 75 points!!!!!:chuckle:

BillyBob
April 11th, 2005, 08:30 PM
I think you may find some information on him in some of the threads drbrumley has started. Choose from below...

http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19428
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19357
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19083
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18616
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19041
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18988
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18942
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18948
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18804
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18709

Do I stop now or keep going?


Heck no, don't stop, keep going! This is fun!! :banana:

Mr. 5020
April 11th, 2005, 08:56 PM
Heck no, don't stop, keep going! This is fun!! :banana:
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18421
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18637
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18559
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18218
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17980
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18346
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18163
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18121
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18040

Is that good for you, :BillyBob: ?

drbrumley
April 11th, 2005, 09:21 PM
I think I'll change my name to Ron Paul as a screen name so I can be exactly like the Edge.

You see, it is not quite like Edges devotion to The Edge. All that guy is is a guitar player who really doesnt care about Jesus or this nation all that much. And how to live one's life in honor and peace. Ron paul on the other hand is 1 of maybe a handful of elected representatives who actually cares about where this country is headed. I will continue to post Mr. Pauls statements and speeches. But it isnt a devotion to the man. If Bill Clinton or George Bush says what he says and fights, then I would post thier stuff too.

The Edge
April 11th, 2005, 09:29 PM
Doc, I never said I was devoted, except as a sarcastic joke. Now you are the one that looks obsessed. You're more bent out of shape out this Edge thing that I ever was. You're making yourself look like an idiot for letting it bother you so much. Just settle down, man. So you don't like guitar. So you don't think he's a good guitarist. Big deal. Not insulting me.

Delmar
April 11th, 2005, 09:32 PM
I think I'll change my name to Ron Paul as a screen name so I can be exactly like the Edge.

You see, it is not quite like Edges devotion to The Edge. All that guy is is a guitar player who really doesnt care about Jesus or this nation all that much. And how to live one's life in honor and peace. Ron paul on the other hand is 1 of maybe a handful of elected representatives who actually cares about where this country is headed. I will continue to post Mr. Pauls statements and speeches. But it isnt a devotion to the man. If Bill Clinton or George Bush says what he says and fights, then I would post thier stuff too.

Oh man, Now i'm going to have to change my screen name to George and my avatar to a picture of a big dog.

drbrumley
April 11th, 2005, 09:38 PM
LOL!!!!! I dont really give a rip if your devoted to the man or not. it's your life. I was just answering Chilice I think the name was. I usually dont go after people like I did you, but your little blame session on Bob ticked me off. First it was Shiavo and then Enyart. Posting crap you dont know much about as you yourself admitted. My only problem with you was that you post without the facts. It it makes you look bad. I like you somewhat, not that you care. And it hurts the cause when a brother in Christ posts misinformation and then pride takes over and you refuse to see your own log after you have been called on it. I wish you the best. I really do. And my only wish for you is to post with facts before you jump on somebody. Thanks for your time.

SOTK
April 11th, 2005, 09:52 PM
RuPaul?

:flamer:

SOTK
April 11th, 2005, 09:54 PM
I think you may find some information on him in some of the threads drbrumley has started. Choose from below...

http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19428
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19357
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19083
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18616
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19041
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18988
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18942
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18948
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18804
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18709

Do I stop now or keep going?

For a minute, I thought you were Mustard Seed! :shocked: Have you seen his link :spam: fest lately? :nono:

Mr. 5020
April 11th, 2005, 10:18 PM
For a minute, I thought you were Mustard Seed! :shocked: Have you seen his link :spam: fest lately? :nono:
:chuckle:

Yes, I have. And I won't do it again. :o

SOTK
April 11th, 2005, 11:07 PM
:thumb:

:chuckle:

The Edge
April 11th, 2005, 11:20 PM
LOL!!!!! I dont really give a rip if your devoted to the man or not.
Could have fooled me. You have posted almost as many posts about my name as I have about Enyart. It sure seems like you care a lot. LOL!!!!!

Posting crap you dont know much about as you yourself admitted. My only problem with you was that you post without the facts. It it makes you look bad.
I researched the man because I previously knew nothing about him. When Erin cited him, I googled him. The first few things I found were his child abuse conviction and his creepy government plans. I'm sorry, but I don't agree with it. Maybe he's different in person, but in print he sounds hateful. But I also found biographies written by his supporters indicating he's led many young people to Christ. I hope he is focused more on that. That is to be applauded. All I posted is what I found. Whether it's fact or not, that's up to the writers and critics.

I like you somewhat, not that you care. And it hurts the cause when a brother in Christ posts misinformation and then pride takes over and you refuse to see your own log after you have been called on it. I wish you the best. I really do. And my only wish for you is to post with facts before you jump on somebody. Thanks for your time.
Well, when you like someone you treat them with respect. And you have insulted me from the day I met you. If you really like me as you say you do, start showing it in your behavior. And just like Erin, I will give you a clean slate every day. We can agree to disagree on Bob. But we don't have to let it cause us to treat eachother like animals.

Mr. 5020
April 11th, 2005, 11:33 PM
:loser:

SOTK
April 12th, 2005, 12:32 AM
That smilie cracks me up every time I see it! :chuckle:

Granite
April 12th, 2005, 09:28 AM
Digging the music isn't an endorsement of the politics or even the artist.

I mean, it's not like I'm gonna start unzipping my pants just because I like the Doors, and I'm certainly not going to take magical mystery tours just 'cause I happen to love the Beatles.

Mr. 5020
April 12th, 2005, 03:34 PM
That smilie cracks me up every time I see it! :chuckle:
:chuckle:

Sleepy Time
April 12th, 2005, 08:05 PM
Bono looks like a fool in that stupid I-Pod commercial. But The Edge does play a mean guitar.

Yes I am often impressed with his licks but you throw all musical genres out there and, at least for openers, THE EDGE doesn't belong in ANY thinking musician's top 50...OK to be fair, top 30. just accept it...

Mr. 5020
April 12th, 2005, 08:32 PM
Yes I am often impressed with his licks but you throw all musical genres out there and, at least for openers, THE EDGE doesn't belong in ANY thinking musician's top 50...OK to be fair, top 30. just accept it...I can't wait to hear the Edgian's response to this one.