The Edge Whines

[Nineveh]

This whine is taken from this (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19879&page=74&pp=15) page.

ninny, my charge against you is that you and your friends refuse to accept correction,

I assume you will get a little more specific?

and that you are so quick to point out problems in others rather than deal with your own sin.

Which is?

You come on here and are so quick to point fingers,

You mean like that list you made but excuse dave from? Hypocrite. You are the biggest finger pointer on that thread right now :)

and you post these articles about horrible things that are happening and we all cry "boo hoo isn't that horrible" and then just move on.

All I can say is, I'm sorry you are so offended by the news.

You rarely offer anything of substance;

You mean like griping about people not even involved in conversations? Or do you mean like making threads about your favorite music? Or perhaps you mean whining constantly?

you're just pointing out the bad in the world.

How EVIL of me!

At least Bob Enyart offers some solutions.

So he isn't quite as evil as I, hmm? That's nice to know :)

I don't like some of what he has to say but at least he has come up with some plans and some ideas to make things better "in his own way" You're just a complainer,

LOL!! I guess if anyone one here whould know what a whiner is, it would be the one with the most practice at it.

which is part of what Erin accused me of being.

And every post like this you make, only proves her point :)

But then you stand by her when she tries her little attack on me,

I wonder why?

and point fingers at me for calling her out on her sin.

And what sin was that? Can you name it?

And notice when I called her out I reached out incontinued friendship and tried to help her.

No. What you did was attack someone else who isn't even on this board much. Real class act there, edge.

I don't see that Christlikeness coming from you,

I can't say I see anything but a temper tantrum coming from you.

and think you need to think about that.

What I think about it is, how pathetic you look. That's pretty sad behavior from a grown man.

A lot of people agree that you need to change your attitude.

To what? Something like yours? No thanks. :)

I'm telling you this to help, not to point fingers.

But you are pointing fingers. The least you could do is not fib about it.

And don't give me any more red bars with the word "hypocrite" attached to them if you don't like what I'm telling you. I'll try to help you if I can.

Hey, be careful you get into a rep war with, they may not like it and have a better reason :)

[Poly]

Yeah, that's a boat load of whining alright. And talk about some blatent hypocricy. So much of what he accuses you of, he does himself. :nono:

[The Edge]

whatever

[Nineveh]

Edge,
Instead of derailing other threads, why not just get this all out right here and now? I'd rather that than IM's and bad rep points, would you?

You claimed I was sinning, now it's time to tell me how I am sinning.

[beanieboy]

You love using the word hypocrite, Nineveh, and not once have I seen you apologize, concede that you were misbehaving, etc.

Just my observance.

He had a valid point.

And once anyone says anything about you having questionable behavior, you resort to attacking the accuser. "You're whining!" "You're twisting the bible."

I haven't even seen you once say, "hmm, I will give that some thought."

I think his point is valid. Fortunately, you have a group of Pharisees to back you up. Security in numbers, I suppose.

[Nineveh]

You love using the word hypocrite, Nineveh, and not once have I seen you apologize, concede that you were misbehaving, etc.

What have I been a hypocrite about, beanie? Why should I be expected to "concede" my "bad behavior" when none has been pointed out?

Just my observance.

You only seem to "observe" what you want to.

He had a valid point.

Which point do you see as valid?

And once anyone says anything about you having questionable behavior, you resort to attacking the accuser. "You're whining!" "You're twisting the bible."

Oh, so that really never happens? No one tries to twist Scripture to agree with their sin? No one ever whines when they get judged correctly?

I haven't even seen you once say, "hmm, I will give that some thought."

Well, usually the things I'm spose to "give thought to" are reasons for continuing in sin or believing some bizarre theological dogma. How many times should a person have to rethink the same issue? Until they agree with you?

I think his point is valid.

I'll ask again, which point?

That I should humble myself when I'm not in error?

Fortunately, you have a group of Pharisees to back you up. Security in numbers, I suppose.

Well, beanie it's not like the whiners don't band together as well. I'm sure the edge feels more secure now that you are here :)

[The Edge]

Nineveh, you are so hostile. You brought this on yourself. You started it. You are the one everyone's coming down on.

[Nineveh]

Nineveh, you are so hostile.

Instead of tit for tat, how about we start from here and talk this out?

You brought this on yourself.

You are the one that has an issue with me, edge. So let's talk it through.

You started it.

This doesn't look very constructive. How about telling me my sin instead?

You are the one everyone's coming down on.

Looks like basically you and beanieboy.

[Servo]

:Nineveh: :box: The Edge

[Frank Ernest]

Hi, Nin'!

Have some points. :Nineveh: :up:
:mock: Edge, :beanboy: = :loser:

[Agape4Robin]

Edge whining about Nineveh?

[erinmarie]

Nineveh, you are so hostile. You brought this on yourself. You started it. You are the one everyone's coming down on.

Everyone? Who's included in that group? So far in this thread, Beanieboy's the only one who's responded...

I hardly think Beanieboy could be considered "everyone".

And no crap she started it! Do you think she's oblivious to the fact she made the opening post in this thread? :freak:

Nineveh, I'm glad that you posted another one of The Edge's whining responses in this new thread. I am also glad that he keeps bringing up my name again and again and again... Turbo and I, (when we're talking behind everyone's back, of course) get the biggest kick out of how many times he'll mention me, even after he "forgave" me for my supposed trespass against him. :sigh:

[Poly]

Turbo and I, (when we're talking behind everyone's back, of course)...

:shocked:


:noid:

[beanieboy]

Oh, so that really never happens? No one tries to twist Scripture to agree with their sin? No one ever whines when they get judged correctly?


You've told me that I twisted scripture when I simply used the entire passage.

That's lying.

You dodge when someone points out to you that what you are doing goes against the bible. You tell me that I have no authority to use the bible to make a point against you.
You twist the bible to support your sin.

That's being a hypocrite.

I don't claim to say that the bible doesn't say that homosexuality is wrong, but simply, that theologians are split on the issue.
You say that I twist the bible to support homosexuality.,

That's a lie.

People will ask me what I think about homosexuality (a topic we have talked out). I respond, and you claim that I am hijacking the thread.

That is false.

Shall I go on?

[beanieboy]

How about instead of making a big finger pointing whiny session like you always do, nineveh, you actually reach out to someone with something positive?

Put done your stones and extend your hand.

[Nineveh]

You've told me that I twisted scripture when I simply used the entire passage.

You try to make God agree with you all the time, I dunno why though, as a buddhist, you really shouldn't care what a foriegn God has to say.

That's lying.

Ok, let's test this. Does the God of the Bible stand against homosexuality both OT and NT?

You dodge when someone points out to you that what you are doing goes against the bible. You tell me that I have no authority to use the bible to make a point against you.
You twist the bible to support your sin.

What have I done that goes against the Bible? I used to try to make God agree with me, actually, I used to tell myself God really didn't care what I did. That all changed though.

That's being a hypocrite.

If you think I'm twisting Scripture to agree with my sin, show me from Scripture.

I don't claim to say that the bible doesn't say that homosexuality is wrong, but simply, that theologians are split on the issue.

The Bible is clear. Either God is saying it is, or He isn't. Don't hide behind a bunch of other people, come right out and say what you think God tells us about homosexuality. Besides, how many times do you quote a theologian vs the Bible?

You say that I twist the bible to support homosexuality.,

That's a lie.

No, it actually looks like you are trying to blame "theologians" for ignoring what God says. I'll have my apology ready after your next reply, should one be necessary.

People will ask me what I think about homosexuality (a topic we have talked out). I respond, and you claim that I am hijacking the thread.

lol you already have, once again it's about beanie, but since there is no getting away from you turning this thread to your fave subject, let's continue.

That is false.

Ah, ok.

Shall I go on?

And if I said no?

Rather, we are already on the topic of you again, so let's clear it up :)

[Nineveh]

How about instead of making a big finger pointing whiny session like you always do, nineveh, you actually reach out to someone with something positive?

Put done your stones and extend your hand.


Pardon, but who is drawing a sword first here?

[Zakath]

Pardon, but who is drawing a sword first here?
The one who started the thread... ;)

[Nineveh]

Not really :) I was making a reply remember :)

[beanieboy]

Ok, let's test this. Does the God of the Bible stand against homosexuality both OT and NT?

Test your honesty. Have I said repeatedly that theologians are split on the issue? Yes or No?
Is it true that theologians are split on the issue? Yes or no?

If you think I'm twisting Scripture to agree with my sin, show me from Scripture.

It's something that you practice. I will point it out for you the next time I see it if you wish.


The Bible is clear. Either God is saying it is, or He isn't. Don't hide behind a bunch of other people, come right out and say what you think God tells us about homosexuality. Besides, how many times do you quote a theologian vs the Bible?

The bible supports slavery as well, and tells you how to treat your slave.
Are laws against slavery going against the will of God?

You can twist the bible to say anything, and people used the bible at one time to justify slavery.

But we are talking about homosexuality.
So, should I research the bible, or take the english version at face value?

http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_bibl.htm
This shows both sides.

http://www.whosoever.org/bible/
This one says that homosexuality is not a sin.

the Bible supplies no real basis for the condemnation of homosexuality.
from the book: what the bible says about homosexuality...
:http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/188636009X/002-0633732-3012018?v=glance


No, it actually looks like you are trying to blame "theologians" for ignoring what God says. I'll have my apology ready after your next reply, should one be necessary.
On the contrary, I look to experts and those who have studied extensively to find out what they have discovered. It's being responsible.


lol you already have, once again it's about beanie, but since there is no getting away from you turning this thread to your fave subject, let's continue.

I'm growing tired of your false accusations.
I don't turn the thread on me. I am asked questions, and I simply respond.
Accuse me falsely if you must. I'm simply growing tired of it.

[beanieboy]

Pardon, but who is drawing a sword first here?

Nin - how old are you???? 5????

"He started it."

Turn the other cheek. Extend a hand.

Is that against your religion, too?

[Nineveh]

Test your honesty. Have I said repeatedly that theologians are split on the issue? Yes or No? Is it true that theologians are split on the issue? Yes or no?

Honestly it doesn't matter what "thorologians" have to say. It matters what God says. Are you going to answer the question? In honesty, you could find a theologian who would agree with you that Jesus wasn't real, if that's what you wanted to do. So let's stick with the Bible. Does the God of the Bible stand against homosexuality both OT and NT?


It's something that you practice. I will point it out for you the next time I see it if you wish.

I wish you had an example before making the charge.

You can twist the bible to say anything, and people used the bible at one time to justify slavery.

But we are talking about homosexuality.
So, should I research the bible, or take the english version at face value?

It says the same thing in Hebrew, Greek and English.

On the contrary, I look to experts and those who have studied extensively to find out what they have discovered. It's being responsible.

Rather, you look to those who would keep you enslaved to your favorite sin.

I'm growing tired of your false accusations.

Um. I haven't accused you of anything here. Remember, this is about you judging me about bearing a false witness against you. So far I have a promise to have you point out if I do bear a false witness against you, but that's it :(

I don't turn the thread on me. I am asked questions, and I simply respond.
Accuse me falsely if you must. I'm simply growing tired of it.

Don't you ever get tired of starting something, then when it gets down to buisness, whining your way out of it? Stand up! You leveled a pretty big judgement against me, back it up!

[Nineveh]

Nin - how old are you???? 5????

"He started it."

Um, beanie, that's a quote from The Edge you got there :)

Turn the other cheek. Extend a hand.

Is that against your religion, too?

Your intent was to be rude, I was simply pointing that out to you. If you really intend to "extend a hand", I'd prefer you not try to slap me with the other.

[beanieboy]

Um, beanie, that's a quote from The Edge you got there :)



Your intent was to be rude, I was simply pointing that out to you. If you really intend to "extend a hand", I'd prefer you not try to slap me with the other.

You misunderstood my post.

You responded with, "Who's swinging the sword first???"

That's a "he started it" response, and you are the one to start the thread.
Then you start another one against Dave Miller.

Is that all you have to bring to the table? Attacking poster after poster?

Maybe if you didn't start at a confrontational place, you wouldn't be responded to in the same way.
The choice is yours.

Namaste

[Nineveh]

You misunderstood my post.

You responded with, "Who's swinging the sword first???"

That's a "he started it" response, and you are the one to start the thread.
Then you start another one against Dave Miller.

Is that all you have to bring to the table? Attacking poster after poster?

Maybe if you didn't start at a confrontational place, you wouldn't be responded to in the same way.
The choice is yours.

Namaste


When you are finished whining about the inconsequential things, maybe you will actually reply to the important points?

[beanieboy]

When you are finished whining about the inconsequential things, maybe you will actually reply to the important points?

I did answer.

If you chose not to respond or read, that's out of my control.

Namaste

[Nineveh]

Here let me help you:

Test your honesty. Have I said repeatedly that theologians are split on the issue? Yes or No? Is it true that theologians are split on the issue? Yes or no?

Honestly it doesn't matter what "thorologians" have to say. It matters what God says. Are you going to answer the question? In honesty, you could find a theologian who would agree with you that Jesus wasn't real, if that's what you wanted to do. So let's stick with the Bible. Does the God of the Bible stand against homosexuality both OT and NT?


It's something that you practice. I will point it out for you the next time I see it if you wish.

I wish you had an example before making the charge.

You can twist the bible to say anything, and people used the bible at one time to justify slavery.

But we are talking about homosexuality.
So, should I research the bible, or take the english version at face value?

It says the same thing in Hebrew, Greek and English.

On the contrary, I look to experts and those who have studied extensively to find out what they have discovered. It's being responsible.

Rather, you look to those who would keep you enslaved to your favorite sin.

I'm growing tired of your false accusations.

Um. I haven't accused you of anything here. Remember, this is about you judging me about bearing a false witness against you. So far I have a promise to have you point out if I do bear a false witness against you, but that's it :(

I don't turn the thread on me. I am asked questions, and I simply respond.
Accuse me falsely if you must. I'm simply growing tired of it.

Don't you ever get tired of starting something, then when it gets down to buisness, whining your way out of it? Stand up! You leveled a pretty big judgement against me, back it up!

[Free-Agent Smith]

I wasn't going to post because of the opening post but when will Nineveh debate the "whining" with the edge?

[Nineveh]

I guess when beanie is done and the edge shows back up?

[beanieboy]

Here let me help you:
Honestly it doesn't matter what "thorologians" have to say. It matters what God says. Are you going to answer the question? In honesty, you could find a theologian who would agree with you that Jesus wasn't real, if that's what you wanted to do. So let's stick with the Bible. Does the God of the Bible stand against homosexuality both OT and NT?
I have listed places where experts discuss it.
You won't even read what someone who has studied it intensively has found.


It says the same thing in Hebrew, Greek and English.
That's funny. There isn't a word "homosexual" in the original bible, because the word was coined in the 18th century.

Rather, you look to those who would keep you enslaved to your favorite sin.
Yours seems to being arrogant, proud, and stubborn.


Um. I haven't accused you of anything here. Remember, this is about you judging me about bearing a false witness against you. So far I have a promise to have you point out if I do bear a false witness against you, but that's it :(


You constantly accuse me of hijacking threads. That is false witness.


Don't you ever get tired of starting something, then when it gets down to buisness, whining your way out of it? Stand up! You leveled a pretty big judgement against me, back it up!

Which you answered by saying I was whining.

When anyone confronts you, you say they are whining. That is your childish way of defending yourself.

[Nineveh]

I have listed places where experts discuss it.
You won't even read what someone who has studied it intensively has found.

Answer the question.


That's funny. There isn't a word "homosexual" in the original bible, because the word was coined in the 18th century.

You mean you of all people don't know what "men laying with men" means?


Yours seems to being arrogant, proud, and stubborn.

First, you accuse me of bearing false witness and for your proof you merely offer to "point it out next time". Do you have examples of these charges?

You constantly accuse me of hijacking threads. That is false witness.

Except you have this one, haven't you? And I've only made that statement once. So your "constantly accusing" accusation is false.

Which you answered by saying I was whining.

When anyone confronts you, you say they are whining. That is your childish way of defending yourself.

Instead of this being about you, try reading what I said again:

Stand up! You leveled a pretty big judgement against me, back it up!

[cattyfan]

I guess when beanie is done and the edge shows back up?


do we suspect a connection similar to !!!!First and servent101 ?



(like a soap opera...the evil twin :bannana: :devil: )

[Nineveh]

do we suspect a connection similar to !!!!First and servent101 ?



(like a soap opera...the evil twin :bannana: :devil: )

EEgads, I should hope not :ha:

[beanieboy]

Answer the question.
You mean you of all people don't know what "men laying with men" means?[/quote}

If you would like to start a thread on "Is Homosexuality Biblically Wrong", I can cut and paste what you are too lazy to look up.

In my opinion, looking at both sides, I would have to say no.

[quote]
First, you accuse me of bearing false witness and for your proof you merely offer to "point it out next time". Do you have examples of these charges?
I will point them out as they occur from this point on.



Except you have this one, haven't you? And I've only made that statement once. So your "constantly accusing" accusation is false. If this be true, you have nothing to worry about. All past accusations I will disregard. Don't accuse me of hijacking a thread, or making about me unjustly, and I will not accuse you of doing it.


Stand up! You leveled a pretty big judgement against me, back it up!

At every time I see it, I will now point it out, at your request.

Namaste

[Nineveh]

The question: Does the God of the Bible stand against homosexuality both OT and NT?

In my opinion, looking at both sides, I would have to say no.

Then when I say you try to make God agree with you, I am not in error. You go 'round-about hiding behind theologians, but when it comes right down to it, the God of Scriptures calls your perversion an abomination and unworthy of the Kingdom. OT and NT.

I will point them out as they occur from this point on.

Then you would do well to hold your judgements until you have evidence to back them up. Otherwise you might get accused of bearing false witness.

If this be true, you have nothing to worry about. All past accusations I will disregard. Don't accuse me of hijacking a thread, or making about me unjustly, and I will not accuse you of doing it.

If I accused you wrongly, would you expect me to apologize? Should I expect the same from you?

At every time I see it, I will now point it out, at your request.

Just remember there is more to judging rightly than merely your opinion :)

[beanieboy]

(Sigh)

Do you wish to go verse by verse?
I will explain what some scholars believe, and show that it isn't what you believe.
You will then accuse me of trying to make God agree with me, but the evidence is there.
You make a big deal out of the issue, but don't even care to do research.

So I see the debate as pointless.

[The Edge]

I'm not getting into a scholarly debate with the likes of EM or Ninny. They twist things around and too busy pointing fingers. I planted the seed. You don't like it, don't drag me into the back alley for a throwdown. That's not Christian behavior. I'm too busy protecting America and your freedom to act like this and spending time with my family

[The Edge]

See, Ninny, I'm not going to discuss it with you and Erin Marie because you ladies have your little clique and you have the battle fixed against anyone who stands against you. I won't give you the satisfaction. So go back to your little clique, claim your victory, and then stay there. I am too busy to waste my time with the two of you and the few others who firmly stand with you. You twist things aorund and point fingers and never act humble. Frankly, I rarely ever see Christ in you. I won't participate in a "Ninny Whines" thread which is what this is.

I'm so confident I'll even put it to a vote. Go see my vote thread in chit chat. We'll see what the majority opinion of me on the board is.

[beanieboy]

Pow! Now THAT'S Truthsmacking.

[The Edge]

Erin Marie, coming back out with her claws drawn for some more Edge blood. How typical.

Put your claws away my dear, and go back to your sandbox ;)

[The Edge]

Here's my poll

http://theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=748298#post748298

[The Edge]

Everyone? Who's included in that group? So far in this thread, Beanieboy's the only one who's responded...

I hardly think Beanieboy could be considered "everyone".

And no crap she started it! Do you think she's oblivious to the fact she made the opening post in this thread? :freak:

Nineveh, I'm glad that you posted another one of The Edge's whining responses in this new thread. I am also glad that he keeps bringing up my name again and again and again... Turbo and I, (when we're talking behind everyone's back, of course) get the biggest kick out of how many times he'll mention me, even after he "forgave" me for my supposed trespass against him. :sigh:
It's because you love being in the spotlight, Erin Marie. You just have to come back out and keep the spotlight on yourself, Princess. And keep up the gossip. It's what seem to be great at.

[ShadowMaid]

The Edge, I think it's only fair for you to back up your statements. If not to debate with Nineveh, then to keep your image clean. :)

[Poly]

You just have to come back out and keep the spotlight on yourself, Princess.

You have got to be kidding me! That's really rich coming from you, you big hypocrite. Just who is it that's wanting the spotlight (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20045)? :freak:

[The Edge]

My image is clean because the only accusations come from the power clique.

"Be carefull who you get in a rep war with." Means "I've got all the power so I can say whatever I want."

[The Edge]

Sorry...the sandbox comment was mean. I sometimes slip into sin and I repent of it.

[Dread Helm]

The whining has gone to the shoutbox... :doh:

cattyfan: I'm equally cranky with everyone today.
The Edge: I dont', catty. Sorry I assumed.
cattyfan: I wasn't just talking to you...since when do you have a quarrel with me?
The Edge: Hey I'll be quiet now. I know I'm already marked for death on this board because I don't follow BE. I'll retreat to my music threads and quit trying to make headway with a wall
The Edge: Then thank Poly for bringing it here.

cattyfan: HEY! Take it back to the thread! We don't need the same squabble in every available venue.
Poly: I agree! Everybody on here has the freedom to tell you just what an idiot you truly are.
The Edge: Don't worry, I'll leave your little clique alone.
Poly: What an idiot!
The Edge: We live in a democracy. Let the people speak.
Poly: And then that same person accuses another of wanting to be in the "spotlight".
The Edge: Keep it up, Poly.
Poly: Ok, I've seen it all now. When a person has to start a thread asking whether he's a jerk or not, that pretty much sums it up right there.

[Nineveh]

(Sigh)

Do you wish to go verse by verse?

Sure, let's start with these two:

OT Lev 22:18 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

NT 1 Cor 6:9-10 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.


I will explain what some scholars believe, and show that it isn't what you believe.

Like I said, if you really wanted you could find a theologian to agree with just about anything. So let's stick with the Bible instead.

You will then accuse me of trying to make God agree with me, but the evidence is there. You make a big deal out of the issue, but don't even care to do research.

The evidence is clear from a simple reading of the Word.

So I see the debate as pointless.

Yes, usually debates with you turn out that way.

[Nineveh]

I'm not getting into a scholarly debate with the likes of EM or Ninny. They twist things around and too busy pointing fingers. I planted the seed. You don't like it, don't drag me into the back alley for a throwdown. That's not Christian behavior. I'm too busy protecting America and your freedom to act like this and spending time with my family

A "scholarly debate"? That's what you think it comes to when judging someone? I was asking you to name the sins you accuse me of.

If you don't want to have to name the sin, then don't make the accusations.

See, Ninny, I'm not going to discuss it with you and Erin Marie because you ladies have your little clique and you have the battle fixed against anyone who stands against you. I won't give you the satisfaction. So go back to your little clique, claim your victory, and then stay there. I am too busy to waste my time with the two of you and the few others who firmly stand with you. You twist things aorund and point fingers and never act humble. Frankly, I rarely ever see Christ in you. I won't participate in a "Ninny Whines" thread which is what this is.

Emarie didn't make a claim I was sinning. You did. You also claimed she was sinning, too. I have yet to see you name the sins you claim against either of us.

I'm so confident I'll even put it to a vote. Go see my vote thread in chit chat. We'll see what the majority opinion of me on the board is.

I'm glad you are confident. But that doesn't answer the question of what charges are you are leveling against me.

[Nineveh]

The whining has gone to the shoutbox... :doh:


: shakes head : pretty pathetic...

[beanieboy]

(Sigh) Alright.

Leviticus 18:22 states: "Thou shall not lie with mankind as with womankind: it is abomination." The term abomination (to'ebah) is a religious term, usually reserved for use against idolatry; it does not mean a moral evil. The verse seems to refer to temple prostitution, which was a common practice in the rest of the Middle East at that time. Qadesh referred to male religious prostitutes. (See the discussion of Deuteronomy)

Leviticus 20:13 states: "If a man also lie with mankind as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they should surely be put to death....". The passage is surrounded by prohibitions against incest, bestiality, adultery and intercourse during a woman's period. But this verse is the only one in the series which uses the religious term abomination; it seems also to be directed against temple prostitution.

These passages are part of the Jewish Holiness Code which also:

* permits polygamy
* prohibits sexual intercourse when a woman has her period,
* bans tattoos
* prohibits eating rare meat
* bans wearing clothes that are made from a blend of textiles
* prohibits cross-breeding livestock
* bans sowing a field with mixed seed
* prohibits eating pigs, rabbits, or some forms of seafood
* requires Saturday to be reserved as the Sabbath

Churches have abandoned the Holiness Code; it is no longer binding on modern-day Christians. They can wear tattoos, eat shrimp, wear polyester-cotton blends and engage in temple prostitution without violating this particular section of the Bible. Although this code is obsolete for Christians, many clergy still focus on those passages which deal with homosexuality.[1]

It is likely that the prohibition thou shall not lie with a male as with a woman came about for one of the following reasons:

* Only sexual acts which could lead to procreation were valued as the tribes needed to grow in numbers in order to survive.
* Male homosexual sex may have been connected in the Hebrew mind with idolatry. Notice that Lev. 18:2 deals with idolatry. In fact many of the prohibitions in the Holiness Code were probably connected with idolatrous practices, see 19:26-29.
* Women were second class citizens in the Hebrew culture and were generally treated as property. If a man was penetrated in sexual intercourse he was being treated like a woman and so was degraded in the Hebrew mind. The offense was not that this was a homosexual act, the offense was that a MAN was treated like a WOMAN. If this line of thinking is correct it would serve to explain why there is no prohibition against female homosexual acts in the Old Testament. Women could not be degraded by such an act as they were already not held in high esteem. there is a theory that the Hebrew people believed in a perfect order of creation and anything that violated that order was considered unclean or an abomination. A probable example would be that fish were considered the perfect sea animal, hence anything in the sea that did not have scales and fins was unclean. (Lev. 11:9-10) Cattle were the perfect cud chewing animal, hence anything that chewed cud, but didn't have hooves was unclean. (Lev. 11:6). If this theory is correct then the prohibition against male sex acts would be violating the role of the perfect ideal human: man. It would seem to mix the sex role of the imperfect woman with the ideal role of the man.

Even if the reader disagrees with the theories stated above they should take note that these verses are a part of the Hebrew scriptures often called the 'Holiness Code'. This 'code' is no longer followed by the Christian church.

In Leviticus 18:19 (which is just a few verses before the prohibition 'thou shall not lie with a man as with a woman') having sexual relations with a woman during her period is forbidden yet this is not proclaimed as a binding rule for today.

Also, 18:8 and 18:18 show that this code allows for polygamy yet this is now considered immoral.

19:28 prohibits tattoos yet they are not proclaimed as sinful by the Christian church.

19:19 forbids crossbreeding of livestock yet the church allows, farmers who do this very thing to worship in church.

19:19 forbids sowing a field with mixed feed, yet farmers are not condemned who plant hay and alfalfa.

11:7 forbids the eating of pigs, yet people unashamedly have a side of bacon with their eggs!

11:6 forbids the eating of rabbits (hares) because they don't have cloven hooves but they chew cud, yet some Christians love to eat rabbit.

11:9-10 forbids the eating of any seafood that doesn't have fins and scales, yet shrimp and lobster lovers are not told to repent by Christians, nor is Red Lobster picketed!

23:3 instructs that the seventh day of the week is to be the Sabbath, not Sunday, yet the Christian church disregards this.

Deut 22 states that a woman is not telling the truth if she says she was raped but no one heard her scream.

It is clear that the Christian church does not abide by the Holiness Code. It was a set of regulations which governed the Hebrew tribes but is not considered binding on the Christian church because there is now a NEW COVENANT IN JESUS CHRIST! The following verses talk about this New Covenant:

Colossians 2:16-17 "Therefore let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or Sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is Christ."

Hebrews 8:18 "For on the one hand there is an annulling of the former commandment because of its weakness and unprofitableness, for the law made nothing perfect."

Hebrews 8:13 "In that Christ says 'a new covenant,' Christ has made the first obsolete."

Hebrews 9:9-10 The Old Covenant "was symbolic...concerned only with foods and drink, various washings, and fleshly ordinances imposed until the time of reformation."

There are those who recognize that Christians are under a New Covenant and yet state that the Old Covenant was divided into three parts, civil, ceremonial and moral. They then insist that the moral part of the Old Covenant remain in force. This distinction can nowhere be found in the Old Covenant itself. In fact, many guidelines clearly have both a civil/ceremonial use AND a moral one (See Leviticus 19:13). Who, then, has the authority to decide "this is morality, but this is civil procedure and this is ceremonial..."?

Since the Christian church does not follow the Holiness Code it has no right to arbitrarily pick Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13-14 as still binding just because it seems to support a particular prejudice. [2]

Source: OCRT: Bible and Homosexuality

Source: Same Gender Sexual Behavior and the Scriptures
This paper is provided as a service of the Metropolitan Community Church of Topeka, authors Rev. Jonathan Loppnow and Rev. Paul C. Evans. It may be reproduced freely as long as the entire text is reproduced and unaltered, all attributions are left intact and it is not sold for profit or included in a for-profit publication. Copyright © Jan. 7, 1998

[Nineveh]

Beanieboy, did you forget you and I are talking? I have no interest in a cut and paste war.

God calls us to be holy. Look what it takes for you to make sodomy acceptable against His clear word.

[erinmarie]

The Edge Whines (http://showthread.php?p=747152#post747152) May 5th, 2005 04:50 PM The Edge (http://member.php?u=51) Keep it up gossip queen.

This is the funniest thing I've ever seen. I just thought I'd share it with everyone... You know, just a little gossip from the ever popular Gossip Queen.
By the way, did you guys know that Beanieboy is GAY?!?!?! haha.

[beanieboy]

Do you want me to read to use as well?

What do you want?

It's a complicated answer.

[Nineveh]

: laughing :

Well, keep up the good work emarie, perhaps you will make Queen of the Damned one day :)

[Nineveh]

What do you want?

For you to notice God has not changed His mind on the issue of sexual purity.

[beanieboy]

God says that slavery is okay.
There are verses about how to treat your slaves.

Is slavery being outlawed in the US going against God's will?

Or is it that sometimes, the bible is different then then what we understand now?

[Nineveh]

Would you like to address sexual purity now?

[beanieboy]

As usual, you ask, but don't answer.
This is a waste of my time.

[ShadowMaid]

My image is clean because the only accusations come from the power clique.

I've seen them back up their accusations, but I have yet to see you back yours up. Perhaps I missed it. Could you restate yourself, please?

[Nineveh]

As usual, you ask, but don't answer.
This is a waste of my time.


The waste of time is trying to get you to stick with the topic we were discussing :(

[beanieboy]

You don't read my posts.
You don't go to the links.
You refuse to read or listen to anything that doesn't agree with how you feel now.

I will at least listen and weigh an opposing idea.
You won't even do that.

So discussing things with you is like talking to a brick wall.
I would be happy if you would listen, consider, and still disagree.
But you won't listen or consider.

To you, everything is black and white.

Even the verse of Leviticus, from a "this is what it says" unresponsible attitude, can be misrepresented.

I could argue, without researching, that it is clearly not outlawing lebian sex, which did not come along until Romans, thousands of years later.
I could argue that is only outlawing anal sex, and not, say, oral sex.

Or, I could be intelligent, and see what people who have PhD's and studied it for years and years have to say about it, even if it disagrees with what I believe.

[Nineveh]

bean,

As a buddhist, you should stick to your "path" that won't judge or condemn your behavior, because the Just and Righteous Creator God of the Bible surely does. The theologians you try to hide behind now won't be there to stand between you and God on Judgement Day. Without Christ, you will be seen for what you are, a man who has committed these abominations, all of the "good works" you have done in your own name for your own self righteousness will be burned away and you will be left utterly alone.

Anyway, you were in error when you judged me, and you couldn't be bothered to apologize. You still try to make God out to condone your sin, which proves my judgement about you in that regard was spot on. I have tried to warn you what awaits you, and you have rejected my council. Not just once, but many times.

So, now that you are finished making your case, we can move on to the topic of this thread, The Edge...

[Free-Agent Smith]

Good job Nineveh for "sticking to your guns".

[beanieboy]

bean,

As a buddhist, you should stick to your "path" that won't judge or condemn your behavior, because the Just and Righteous Creator God of the Bible surely does. The theologians you try to hide behind now won't be there to stand between you and God on Judgement Day. Without Christ, you will be seen for what you are, a man who has committed these abominations, all of the "good works" you have done in your own name for your own self righteousness will be burned away and you will be left utterly alone.

Anyway, you were in error when you judged me, and you couldn't be bothered to apologize. You still try to make God out to condone your sin, which proves my judgement about you in that regard was spot on. I have tried to warn you what awaits you, and you have rejected my council. Not just once, but many times.

So, now that you are finished making your case, we can move on to the topic of this thread, The Edge...


And you can stick to your belief that once you repent and ask Jesus into your heart, you can act however you want, and never ask forgiveness, or even feel sorry about it. . Love is never having to say you're sorry. :doh:

[Nineveh]

Good job Nineveh for "sticking to your guns".

I think I'll stick with the Sword of the Spirit :)

[Dread Helm]

The Edge is such an IDIOT! :loser: He's started two worthless threads in as many days! They've both been closed by Admins for stupidity! Seriously... ErinMarie vs. Nineveh? How pathetic. :nono:

[beanieboy]

The Edge is such an IDIOT! :loser: He's started two worthless threads in as many days! They've both been closed by Admins for stupidity! Seriously... ErinMarie vs. Nineveh? How pathetic. :nono:

And "which would you rather" is not a stupid thread?

[Frank Ernest]

And "which would you rather" is not a stupid thread?
Actually very entertaining, as is this one.