TOL Rules of Engagement Need Clarity

[Ask Mr. Religion]

There seems to be a decided shift in the level of "spirited debate" (see TOL front page statement) that is tolerated in the forums. I am posting this thread in "The Back Alley" as it is advertised as a place where "no holds barred" discussion can take place.

Elsewhere, Knight writes:
Evenhandedness is a tool of the wicked.

TOL has never been, nor ever will be "even". The sooner you learn that... the sooner you will "get it".

The rhetoric of some, like Sozo, appears to be sanctioned:
If you don't like TOL's bias towards Sozo and truth, feel free to find another forum to participate on.

Yet others who would engage Sozo at his own level are the subject of "spring cleaning":
Spring cleaning has only just begun.

For some of us who actually pay a fee to participate, it would be very helpful to understand the exact parameters of the boundaries of what "spirited debate" actually means. It is difficult to read Knight's mind on this matter and some clarity is sincerely requested. I really want to "get it", so I am asking for input.

For example, if another posts with the same level of vitriol that a Sozo uses, in direct response to a Sozo, is that seen as a violation of "spirited debate"? Sozo, in particular, seems to have been given quite a long rope to hang himself, yet others are kept on a very short one. It seems the deck is stacked against anyone who would honestly engage, take someone to task, and disagree with some persons.

I fully understand there is a TOL bias at work and have no problems with this as long as I can understand the boundaries. I also offer that when a person pays a fee that there is an implied contract of sorts at work between the payer and payee. All I am asking is for the terms of that contract to be more fully explained so that a true meeting of the minds is present (a necessary condition of any contract).

For example, implied profanity is a no-no. Yet there is much posted by Sozo that is clearly implied profanity. Moreover, I and others have received numerous PMs from Sozo that are disgusting and have been reported. Have the rules on implied profanity been modified or does Sozo get a special dispensation?

I am respectfully requesting some clarification on these issues. I am sure many others would benefit from this as well.

Thank you,
AMR

[Lighthouse]

I think the first quote from Knight answers your question.

[Knight]

Things to help you understand TOL:

- TOL is biased
- TOL isn't fair
- TOL is not evenhanded

Think of TOL like a block party. And the block party is at Knight's house. Everyone on the block is invited. The host of the party has certain rules that he expects his guests to follow. During the party not all the rules are being followed, yet some people are getting a "pass" while others are asked to leave, why?

Because the host likes certain people more than others. :thumb:

It's human nature really, the host is more lenient towards his friends and people he respects. The host is less lenient towards people he dislikes and doesn't respect.

The beautiful part of this is.... there is no law against block parties. Anyone who doesn't like this block party can have their own at their house.

IN SUMMARY:
When Sozo gets wild and spills beer on my carpet, I might pull him aside into the kitchen and ask him to be more careful in my house. Yet when some moron wearing a Hillary Clinton t-shirt spills beer on my carpet I might just throw them out of my house with little or no warning. Some people at the party have donated a few bucks to help pay for beer and snacks, so the host takes that into consideration when dealing with their trespasses. It's not a fail-safe, but it certainly plays into the hosts decisions.

[Knight]

Another analogy to consider....

Think of TOL like a radio talk show. Two callers call in and have the exact same opinion: they believe that public schools are a good thing. The host mocks one caller and hangs up on them yet the host goes on to have a long friendly dialog with the other caller. Why? Why do the two callers get different treatment?

The answer is....

The host knows both callers. One caller disagrees with everything the host has to say and calls the show simply to make trouble and spew liberal propganda. The other caller is friendly, cordial, and generally agrees with the host on most other issues therefore the host is more willing to dialog with that caller even though the current point he is making is asinine.

[Spitfire]

Sozo has nevertheless been banned more often than you have, AMR. :p

[Knight]

Sozo has nevertheless been banned more often than you have, AMR. :p
Fo shizzle. :)

[Mystery]

Maybe if I drank less beer, I'd stop spilling it as often as I do. :idunno:

[The Berean]

Maybe if I drank less beer, I'd stop spilling it as often as I do. :idunno:

:cheers:

[fool]

Yet when some moron wearing a Hillary Clinton t-shirt spills beer on my carpet ..........

If that happened I'd can the guy watching the door.

[The Berean]

It's simple really. TOL is Knight's tree house. His tree house, his house rules.

[Ask Mr. Religion]

Then perhaps a Sozo-level-membership option is needed. Something that lets a person spill plenty of beer (stuck in metaphor hell now). As it is, the allusion to "a few bucks" is a tad off-putting since the few bucks some pay is the highest level of membership offered, short of lifetime membership.

Or perhaps the line on the front portal referring to "spirited debate" could be accurately rendered to the effect that debate is going to be biasedly moderated in favor of those that agree with the site's owners. Truth in advertising will go a long way towards short-circuiting these matters.

[P8ntrDan]

Sozo has nevertheless been banned more often than you have, AMR. :p

It's ok though, he has enough profiles that it doesn't matter.

[Knight]

Then perhaps a Sozo-level-membership option is needed. Something that lets a person spill plenty of beer (stuck in metaphor hell now). That idea has merit, I will consider it.

[Knight]

Oh... and AMR.... just so you know.... sometimes Mystery spills beer because he is being expressive with his gestures and doesn't realize that a mess has been made.

Other times (such as recently), Mystery has spilled beer because certain guests at the party were standing around him in a circle pushing him back and forth.

[Town Heretic]

One big, occasionally happy if dysfunctional family...What's not to love?

:think: Interesting notion AMR. :thumb:

It beats the heck out of my quarter-jar idea. :shocked:

[Knight]

There are also times when Mystery is throwing beer at really lame party guests and thats when I join him. Its OK, I have plastic sheets on the floor. :)

[Mystery]

Then perhaps a Sozo-level-membership option is needed. Are you willing to renounce Calvinism, and recite the Smackadelphian Creed (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1669200&postcount=849)?

[P8ntrDan]

Oh... and AMR.... just so you know.... sometimes Mystery spills beer because he is being expressive with his gestures and doesn't realize that a mess has been made.

Other times (such as recently), Mystery has spilled beer because certain guests at the party were standing around him in a circle pushing him back and forth.

I'm pretty sure I was in that circle. :D

[Ask Mr. Religion]

Oh... and AMR.... just so you know.... sometimes Mystery spills beer because he is being expressive with his gestures and doesn't realize that a mess has been made.Maybe so. But I think MrE is in full control of his faculties. :)

Other times (such as recently), Mystery has spilled beer because certain guests at the party were standing around him in a circle pushing him back and forth.Trust me, I get this and have no beef with the recent spate of events in question.

I will anxiously await your decision on the previous suggestion.

[Mystery]

But I think MrE is in full control of his faculties. :)

Don't let my occasional moments of brilliance fool you. I really do throw a few beers at false teachers when they walk in the room and start mouthing off.

[godrulz]

Whim wules the world.

As an open theist, I have more tolerance of randomness than a rigid Calvinist would.

The truth should be somewhere between subjective irrationality and objective rationalism. It is like having different worship styles in one trans-generational local church family.

This also reminds me of work lately, where some people are getting turfed for minor things while others are getting away with murder (paramedics don't save them all; I've probably killed a few in my day, like any medical intern or doctor).

[Ask Mr. Religion]

Are you willing to renounce Calvinism, and recite the Smackadelphian Creed (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1669200&postcount=849)?No, but I am more than ready to continue (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1651947&postcount=472) to respond in the spirit in which you posted it once I understand the issues herein. :rolleyes:

[Knight]

I will anxiously await your decision on the previous suggestion.You do that. :thumb:

[P8ntrDan]

Whim wules the world.

As an open theist, I have more tolerance of randomness than a rigid Calvinist would.

The truth should be somewhere between subjective irrationality and objective rationalism. It is like having different worship styles in one trans-generational local church family.

This also reminds me of work lately, where some people are getting turfed for minor things while others are getting away with murder (paramedics don't save them all; I've probably killed a few in my day, like any medical intern or doctor).

Buckets for Bullet Wounds... As long as there's no mess, go ahead and do as you like... :rain:

[Knight]

I'm gonna move this thread into "Staff Picks" for awhile because this is good reading.

[Quincy]

something to contemplate. sozo/mystery or any other vocally, shall we say, outspoken individual seems to have the most problem with people who arent of the christian faith or are of the christian faith. regardless, if there are new membership options available they wont solve that problem. that problem is created when u sign up for a membership and ur asked what faith u believe and follow. instead of exclusively christian options ur presented with a wide range [much wider than any other site by the way :)] of faith options. so in essence Knight's block party is designed for these types of altercations AMR.

that actually lends some creed to AMR's question. how do people of non Christian faiths coexist in this block party if there are no detailed rules. or people that made example of, say someone makes a grave violation perhaps it would be fair to make it known to the community so members dont repeat it? ultimately what perplexes me most is this. why ban people who have paid for a subscription? or why buy a subscription if u know ur going to get banned?

[cattyfan]

I have a low tolerance for vile, baseless name-calling regardless of from whom it comes. That isn't debating.

[Knight]

something to contemplate. sozo/mystery or any other vocally, shall we say, outspoken individual seems to have the most problem with people who arent of the christian faith or are of the christian faith. regardless, if there are new membership options available they wont solve that problem. that problem is created when u sign up for a membership and ur asked what faith u believe and follow. instead of exclusively christian options ur presented with a wide range [much wider than any other site by the way :)] of faith options. so in essence Knight's block party is designed for these types of altercations AMR.

that actually lends some creed to AMR's question. how do people of non Christian faiths coexist in this block party if there are no detailed rules. or people that made example of, say someone makes a grave violation perhaps it would be fair to make it known to the community so members dont repeat it? ultimately what perplexes me most is this. why ban people who have paid for a subscription? or why buy a subscription if u know ur going to get banned?Lots of people that aren't Christians do just fine on TOL! SUTG, Real Sorceror, are a couple examples.

I have banned as many Christians as I have non-believers.

Furthermore.... to get a TOL permanent ban takes a bit of work. We are very lenient here... even with the knuckleheads.

[Ask Mr. Religion]

ultimately what perplexes me most is this. why ban people who have paid for a subscription? or why buy a subscription if u know ur going to get banned?I don't want to be misunderstood as I am not advocating banning is intolerable. There are times I deserved it and others I honestly believe I was the object of someone having a really bad day. It is the distance between these two points that I would like to understand. I would like to appreciate the hidden land mines strewn about (more metaphors!) so I can tread carefully and avoid the resulting damage.

[Knight]

I have a low tolerance for vile, baseless name-calling regardless of from whom it comes. That isn't debating.I agree.

And that's why I like Mystery, his name calling is almost never baseless.

If ya can't call a pervert a pervert, what can ya do? :idunno:

[Ask Mr. Religion]

I have a low tolerance for vile, baseless name-calling regardless of from whom it comes. That isn't debating.What threads are you assigned to moderate? :cheers:

[Knight]

I don't want to be misunderstood as I am not advocating banning is intolerable. There are times I deserved it and others I honestly believe I was the object of someone having a really bad day. It is the distance between these two points that I would like to understand. I would like to appreciate the hidden land mines strewn about (more metaphors!) so I can tread carefully and avoid the resulting damage.Agree with me that I am right about every single topic and you will never have to worry about another land mine.


;)

[Mystery]

why ban people who have paid for a subscription? or why buy a subscription if u know ur going to get banned?I have been banned before on the same day I bought a subscription, and the subscription ran out before I was allowed back.

I know that going in.

[Knight]

TOL infractions are often hard to define, but I know them when I see them. - Potter Stewart

[Ask Mr. Religion]

I agree.

And that's why I like Mystery, his name calling is almost never baseless.Therein lies the rub, as they say. Determining the basis is usually part and parcel of the debate in question. At the risk of holding him up to ridicule, I think TH's post here (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1542268&postcount=46) captures the point. (Apologies in advance, TH.)

[Knight]

Therein lies the rub, as they say. Determining the basis is usually part and parcel of the debate in question. At the risk of holding him up to ridicule, I think TH's post here (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1542268&postcount=46) captures the point. (Apologies in advance, TH.)Lets replace the word "baseless" with "without cause".

I am the judge, so I determine if Mystery's claims are without cause. I find (more than not) that Mystery's claims are NOT without cause. You might disagree and that's fine, simply add that to the ever growing list of things you are wrong about.

[Town Heretic]

See, the thing about my quarter-jar (and it really helps if you imagine this read by Al Gore discussing his lock-box, whatever that was) is that it enriches the TOL coffers while simultaneously teaching a lesson to the offender concerning appropriate public behavior, morality, and the buying power of a quarter...which is what each inappropriate word would run.

:think: I suppose there would have to be some sort of a tab for many. :idea:

Not that any of this should side step the important topic on everyone's mind, the invisible elephant in the room...and by that I mean, of course, my spiffy new avatar. :D

It's always a bad omen when someone begins to apologize for someone else's conduct, AMR. :chuckle: What did I do this time? I'll just blame it on the 'other' zoo...unless it's a good thing, in which case I knew it all along.

Moderates...:sigh:

[cattyfan]

I just figured your avatar was meant to irritate MOM...the Tiger is still alive. And he's really happy.

[Knight]

See, the thing about my quarter-jar (and it really helps if you imagine this read by Al Gore discussing his lock-box, whatever that was) is that it enriches the TOL coffers while simultaneously teaching a lesson to the offender concerning appropriate public behavior, morality, and the buying power of a quarter...which is what each inappropriate word would run.

:think: I suppose there would have to be some sort of a tab for many. :idea:

Not that any of this should side step the important topic on everyone's mind, the invisible elephant in the room...and by that I mean, of course, my spiffy new avatar. :D

It's always a bad omen when someone begins to apologize for someone else's conduct, AMR. :chuckle: What did I do this time? I'll just blame it on the 'other' zoo...unless it's a good thing, in which case I knew it all along.

Moderates...:sigh:I'm on the verge of understanding what you just said. :noid:

[Ask Mr. Religion]

I would appreciate some clarity on the implied profanity item in my OP. I am not going to quote any examples. Should there not be some lines that no one should be allowed to cross?

[Town Heretic]

I'm on the verge of understanding what you just said. :noid:

That makes two of us...:idunno:

I just figured your avatar was meant to irritate MOM...the Tiger is still alive. And he's really happy.

Give the lady a gold star...nobody got that. :think:

Or everyone did but you're the only one who actuallly cared. :eek:

Of course, now I'm keeping him. :D And who doesn't love Hobbes?

[godrulz]

I agree.

And that's why I like Mystery, his name calling is almost never baseless.

If ya can't call a pervert a pervert, what can ya do? :idunno:

:doh: :crackup:

[Knight]

I would appreciate some clarity on the implied profanity item in my OP. I am not going to quote any examples. Should there not be some lines that no one should be allowed to cross?You are aware that we have banned Mystery in the past for things right?

AMR, if memory serves..... you have been banned twice, right? And lets see... Mystery has been banned maybe 30 times? Or so?

So... what exactly is your point again? :idunno:

[Knight]

Lets cut to the chase shall we?

I am not going to permanently ban Mystery. I like Mystery, he is my friend and my brother. Does he make me mad on occasion for his lack of self control? Yes.

But Mystery has a better grasp on the gospel than 99% of all the people here on TOL. His commitment to God's word is almost unparalleled on these forums. Unlike many, Mystery does not worship religion or theology, he isn't in bed with a political party and he doesn't buy into the wacky conspiracy garbage. Mystery places truth on a higher pedestal than acceptance or tolerance. In short, Mystery is a man after my own heart. :)

So.... get over it already! :sozo:

[ebenz47037]

Lets cut to the chase shall we?

I am not going to permanently ban Mystery. I like Mystery, he is my friend and my brother. Does he make me mad on occasion for his lack of self control? Yes.

But Mystery has a better grasp on the gospel than 99% of all the people here on TOL. His commitment to God's word is almost unparalleled on these forums. Unlike many, Mystery does not worship religion or theology, he isn't in bed with a political party and he doesn't buy into the wacky conspiracy garbage. Mystery places truth on a higher pedestal than acceptance or tolerance. In short, Mystery is a man after my own heart. :)

So.... get over it already! :sozo:

Guess what, Knight (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1672491#post1672491). :D

[Mystery]

For the first time in my TOL history, I am speechless and humbled.

[ebenz47037]

For the first time in my TOL history, I am speechless and humbled.

Won't last that long, though. Will it? :chuckle:

[godrulz]

For the first time in my TOL history, I am speechless and humbled.

I think I am going to be sick. I should not have taken the anti-sozoitis preventative placebo pills. They are still experimental compared to the ones that cure it.

How can people endorse someone who calls fellow believers demon possessed, grieving the Spirit, and creating disunity and lack of love in the Body? Having some right ideas is no excuse for bad character and pride.

[Mystery]

How can people endorse someone who calls fellow believers demon possessed, grieving the Spirit, and creating disunity and lack of love in the Body? I agree. That should never happen. I know it's never happen to you.

Having some right ideas is no excuse for bad character and pride.I accept your attempt at repentance.

[drbrumley]

this thread is a hoot!

AMR, there are no rules of engagement here except what Knight thinks. Sooner you learn that, the easier it is. I lost privileges finding this out.

[Quincy]

Lots of people that aren't Christians do just fine on TOL! SUTG, Real Sorceror, are a couple examples.

I have banned as many Christians as I have non-believers.

Furthermore.... to get a TOL permanent ban takes a bit of work. We are very lenient here... even with the knuckleheads.

well said and now that u mention it thats pretty obvious stuff. my only ban his been because i linked to something inappropriate. and i felt it was a fair ban cause i didnt examine my link. i suppose the vast majority of people know what they are getting into when they subscribe. been thinking about it myself, as its a very well designed and maintained site and that doesnt come free.

[godrulz]

I agree. That should never happen. I know it's never happen to you.

I accept your attempt at repentance.

Since I earned an infarction for my post, I wish to apologize. I do not doubt your sincerity and humility and congratulate you on your compliment.

I think my observations are still valid, but my tone was not.

Please forgive me for provoking you. I am sorry. I was wrong (but still stand by my concerns about your discernment).

[Mystery]

Apology accepted.

I still stand by the fact that you are going the wrong direction.

[godrulz]

Apology accepted.

I still stand by the fact that you are going the wrong direction.


Fair enough. We are all entitled to our opinions, even if they are wrong.

Is it premature for a group hug?

[Ktoyou]

I have to agree with Knight, he calls TOL ‘much like a block party’, while I have said many times the most forums are like garden parties. It is a matter of dialogue tempered with poise. If this seems less than ideal, then I think one need to seek a purely impartial theological forum. This one does not pretend to be anything that is is not.

Yet, we might consider how much pagans, agnostics and atheists are allowed to participate here at TOL. I have seen more soft Christian sites begin all friendly, but as soon as one fails to become part of the fold, they ask one to leave the forum or ban.

I have singled out some members from time to time for being plain goofy, but I try to keep away from full front theological wars. The point is, I have fun here, more than I have had on most other sites.

Perhaps Knight is more likely to ban those who he disagrees with based on theological issues, while I would ban those who I think act silly, goofy and just plain nuts. This may reflect the simple difference on how we relate to parties, block parties may have a different set of standards than garden parties.:chew:

[Knight]

well said and now that u mention it thats pretty obvious stuff. my only ban his been because i linked to something inappropriate. and i felt it was a fair ban cause i didnt examine my link. i suppose the vast majority of people know what they are getting into when they subscribe. been thinking about it myself, as its a very well designed and maintained site and that doesnt come free.:up: That's a good point and the more we get to know people the easier it is to determine if the offense is intentional or not. We get tons of newbies that sign up just to drop a "bomb" and see how long it takes us to ban them and delete their material.

Now that I know you better I probably would be more flexible with you... and the next time I might be more likely to believe such a link was just an oversight.

[Town Heretic]

I have long suspected that at least half of what Billy Bob writes is unintentional...:think:

Context is a good bit of any conversation. And it is invaluable in framing a response or curbing a natural reaction.

[Lighthouse]

Are you willing to renounce Calvinism, and recite the Smackadelphian Creed (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1669200&postcount=849)?
:rotfl:

You do that. :thumb:
:rotfl:

I'm gonna move this thread into "Staff Picks" for awhile because this is good reading.
Yes it is.

[Lighthouse]

Sometimes it is who says it, and other times it is who they say it about. If BillyBob had said about Fred Phelps what he said about Bob Enyart, he may have not gotten banned. But he should have known saying it about Bob would get him banned, permanently.

[kmoney]

BillyBob's most recent ban is permanent??

[Adamhart]

For the first time in my TOL history, I am speechless and humbled.

you've been on here how long?

[Mystery]

you've been on here how long?5 or 6 years. :idunno:

[Adamhart]

were you really speechless

[Mystery]

were you really speechlessYes.

[death2impiety]

Yes.

Really?

[Adamhart]

Really?

could be the 10th. 5 - 6 years is a long time

[godrulz]

BillyBob's most recent ban is permanent??


Is he a Christian believer or just a redneck?

[Pettrix]

this thread is a hoot!

AMR, there are no rules of engagement here except what Knight thinks. Sooner you learn that, the easier it is. I lost privileges finding this out.

The above pretty much sums it up.

Remember, this site is maintained and run by Knight, who has certain fundamental beliefs that not everyone agrees with. I agree with some of his views (mid-Acts, dispensational theology, etc.) and I disagree with other views he holds to.

Is there "favoritism" here? Of course!
Is it a fair playing field? No way!

To be "fair". If I owned and maintained a forum like this, I would not tolerate certain people, beliefs and statements that are tolerated here. The door swings both ways.

For example, there are mid-Acts churches that would find Open Theism as a damnable heresy. They would NOT allow you to be in any position of authority if you were an Open Theist. They would even remove you from fellowship if you were vocal about being an Open Theist.

It all comes down to where they draw the line. Where that line is drawn, is chosen by the owner/moderator.

As DRBrumley stated, "there are no rules of engagement here except what Knight thinks. Sooner you learn that, the easier it is."

That is my opinion...:grave:

[johana]

Lets cut to the chase shall we?

I am not going to permanently ban Mystery. I like Mystery, he is my friend and my brother. Does he make me mad on occasion for his lack of self control? Yes.

But Mystery has a better grasp on the gospel than 99% of all the people here on TOL. His commitment to God's word is almost unparalleled on these forums. Unlike many, Mystery does not worship religion or theology, he isn't in bed with a political party and he doesn't buy into the wacky conspiracy garbage. Mystery places truth on a higher pedestal than acceptance or tolerance. In short, Mystery is a man after my own heart. :)

So.... get over it already! :sozo:

I get that this site is biased. I'm more than happy to play by the rules.

To give a pass to just calling people pedophiles though...? It's disappointing.
Mystery can be just as fantastic as you think he is but even so, surely you should be able to pull him up when he stuffs up. How can his recent outburst not be considered a stuff up? How could mods sit there and watch it spiral out without stepping in, even if only to say cool it to everybody involved? If rebuking a brother in Christ is the most loving thing you can do, I don't see the love in giving him a free pass on baseless accusations and slander.

[lightbringer]

Is he a Christian believer or just a redneck?

Depending on what part of the country you are talking about, there may not be a difference!

[lightbringer]

10 Ways to tell if a Redneck has been working on a Computer



10. The monitor is up on blocks.
9. Outgoing faxes have tobacco stains on them.
8. The six front keys have rotted out.
7. The extra RAM ports have truck parts stored in them.
6. The numeric keypad only goes up to six.
5. The password is "Bubba".
4. There's a gun rack mounted on the CPU.
3. There's a Coors can in the cup holder(CD-ROM drive).
2. The keyboard is camouflaged.
AND the number 1 way to tell if a redneck has been working on a computer is...

1. The mouse is referred to as a "critter".
Submitted by Rene J. Schweitzer.

[Lighthouse]

BillyBob's most recent ban is permanent??
After what he said, I'd be extremely surprised if it isn't.

[Palladius]

Things to help you understand TOL:

- TOL is biased
- TOL isn't fair
- TOL is not evenhanded

Think of TOL like a block party. And the block party is at Knight's house. Everyone on the block is invited. The host of the party has certain rules that he expects his guests to follow. During the party not all the rules are being followed, yet some people are getting a "pass" while others are asked to leave, why?

Because the host likes certain people more than others. :thumb:

I can't imagine why AMR is objecting. The foregoing qualifies as a fairly accurate depiction of the Calvinist God (i.e. he is baised, he isn't fair and he is not evenhanded).

[Town Heretic]

Depending on what part of the country you are talking about, there may not be a difference!

Depending on what you mean by that (or more accurately where) and whether I can find a good glove or not to spare, you may experience a profound difference...:D

[lightbringer]

Depending on what you mean by that (or more accurately where) and whether I can find a good glove or not to spare, you may experience a profound difference...:D

:rotfl:

[0000]

I really want to "get it", so I am asking for input.
If you get banned, then it means that you've temporarily lost your salvation. When the ban is lifted, then you have regained your salvation.

[nicholsmom]

For some of us who actually pay a fee to participate, it would be very helpful to understand the exact parameters of the boundaries of what "spirited debate" actually means. It is difficult to read Knight's mind on this matter and some clarity is sincerely requested. I really want to "get it", so I am asking for input.
Though I don't pay, I am wanting these answers. I post in continual fear of being banned - for length of reply, for linking to sources (leading others off of this forum), though not for the kind of name-calling that passes as argument for many here.

It seems the deck is stacked against anyone who would honestly engage, take someone to task, and disagree with some persons.
It seems that to disagree with someone with whom Knight agrees is a dangerous game. Can we be banned for honest engagement if we otherwise obey the Commandments of TOL? BTW those commandments need updating since at least one has passed into disuse by Knight's own admission (the one about not discussing another person's ban).

I fully understand there is a TOL bias at work and have no problems with this as long as I can understand the boundaries...

For example, implied profanity is a no-no. Yet there is much posted by Sozo that is clearly implied profanity. Moreover, I and others have received numerous PMs from Sozo that are disgusting and have been reported. Have the rules on implied profanity been modified ...?

I am respectfully requesting some clarification on these issues. I am sure many others would benefit from this as well.

Yes, please re-visit the commandments.

[Dread Helm]

Things to help you understand TOL:

- TOL is biased
- TOL isn't fair
- TOL is not evenhanded

Think of TOL like a block party. And the block party is at Knight's house. Everyone on the block is invited. The host of the party has certain rules that he expects his guests to follow. During the party not all the rules are being followed, yet some people are getting a "pass" while others are asked to leave, why?

Because the host likes certain people more than others. :thumb:

It's human nature really, the host is more lenient towards his friends and people he respects. The host is less lenient towards people he dislikes and doesn't respect.

The beautiful part of this is.... there is no law against block parties. Anyone who doesn't like this block party can have their own at their house.

IN SUMMARY:
When Sozo gets wild and spills beer on my carpet, I might pull him aside into the kitchen and ask him to be more careful in my house. Yet when some moron wearing a Hillary Clinton t-shirt spills beer on my carpet I might just throw them out of my house with little or no warning. Some people at the party have donated a few bucks to help pay for beer and snacks, so the host takes that into consideration when dealing with their trespasses. It's not a fail-safe, but it certainly plays into the hosts decisions.

Another analogy to consider....

Think of TOL like a radio talk show. Two callers call in and have the exact same opinion: they believe that public schools are a good thing. The host mocks one caller and hangs up on them yet the host goes on to have a long friendly dialog with the other caller. Why? Why do the two callers get different treatment?

The answer is....

The host knows both callers. One caller disagrees with everything the host has to say and calls the show simply to make trouble and spew liberal propganda. The other caller is friendly, cordial, and generally agrees with the host on most other issues therefore the host is more willing to dialog with that caller even though the current point he is making is asinine.
These posts were very amusing to read. Clever analogies. I loved reading these, wow!

:D

[highchurch]

maybe more of us would subscribe if you gave us better reason to.

[Knight]

I can't imagine why AMR is objecting. The foregoing qualifies as a fairly accurate depiction of the Calvinist God (i.e. he is baised, he isn't fair and he is not evenhanded).:ha: I am NOTHING like the Calvinist God.

My judgments are not arbitrary, instead my judgments are based on mens freewill actions. If I were like the Calvinist God I would simply write a script that created usernames and those usernames would in-turn create pre-written threads and posts. Some usernames would be preprogrammed to be in my favor while others were preprogrammed to be adversaries. The entire website would be nothing more than my own mental charade.

[Mr. 5020]

maybe more of us would subscribe if you gave us better reason to.Who are you? :idunno:

[Knight]

maybe more of us would subscribe if you gave us better reason to.We only want people to subscribe (or donate financially) if their heart leads them to.

If you do not wish to subscribe to TOL that is your prerogative.

[Knight]

TOL RULE OF THUMB #242:
If you are nervous about donating or subscribing to TOL because you fear you might be banned, then you SHOULD NOT donate or subscribe to TOL.

[CRMRC]

AMR,

In line with the talk about subscription, I would offer that if you don't like the way TOL is run, then don't give up your money. I paid for the lowest level of subscription for a month just to check it out, but it was around the same time that SOZO came back and started pooping all over the floor so I decided that it would be better for me to stay off of the forums. I couldn't even imagine handing over $30 a month or whatever it costs for the highest service.

I am sure it is best that way, though I am pretty well behaved on the forums and respectful of the rules, I have little respect for the way of thinking deemed OK by the most high-end TOLers, and likewise I am sure they have little respect for little old me, which is fine. I am like that guy with the Hilary shirt on spilling the beer on the floor, except I am smart enough not to come over and drink your beer (as well as smart enough not to wear a Hilary shirt).

[Mr. 5020]

I couldn't even imagine handing over $30 a month or whatever it costs for the highest service.Just for clarification, it's less than half of that.

Subscription Information (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/payments.php)

[nicholsmom]

Knight, will you please review & edit the posted commandments. Just a tiny bit more clarity would be helpful. I think that's all AMR is asking for - I really think he's trying hard not to complain.

[Ask Mr. Religion]

Well I would gladly pay a higher fee per month for the opportunity to "spill more beer" without ending up in the woodshed. I wonder why that would even be necessary, but I would do it.

As it is, I (and others) are now just too gun-shy to engage at the level of what the common understanding of "spirited debate" means. I envy (a sin, I know!) the boldness of others who have been given the license to be very, very, bold. Yet I am not claiming I would be going to the level that others have done, especially with all the implied vulgarity, or death wishes. As things now stand, I am given to generally passive and objective posting and forced to remain relatively subdued at any of the vitriol of the "empowered emboldened" directed at me. In fact, I have been advised by some to not even post in this thread, for I may bring down the wrath of management.

This in no way meets the level of what I would consider "spirited debate", but that is the situation and I can deal with it for now.

One more thing. For the record, this thread was not started by me with a hidden agenda of getting anyone banned. The fact that I referred to Sozo was in no way a request that he be banned. I believe him to be a fervent Christian and I never want to see Christians banned. We should rebuke one another, but not remove the opponent who is giving as good as he or she is getting. Moreover, it is no secret that I have taken Sozo to task in the theology forums, but, unlike him, in a very civil manner. If you ask Sozo, he will tell you that I continue to pos rep him almost daily, as I do many here who clearly disagree with me strongly, even godrulz (!). I simply used Sozo as an example, for he is the archetype of the "empowered emboldened".

I have rambled enough and will stop tying up the thread. Besides, I have to go now and civilly pick on godrulz. :cheers:

AMR

[Just Tom]

I think using the conscience that God gave you before you post is a good idea.

Sometimes what we may find not really objectionable, is to others, due to our own experiences. Step outside of your own box when you read what you post and if you have doubt re word it. :thumb:

That has been what I have learned from my bannings.

And knowing that Knight is god here helps also. And that he has some archangels that you don't want to tick off either. They are like the four horsemen of the apocalypses. Not very nice when they are unleashed.. :rotfl:

[Ask Mr. Religion]

I think using the conscience that God gave you before you post is a good idea.

Sometimes what we may find not really objectionable, is to others, due to our own experiences. Step outside of your own box when you read what you post and if you have doubt re word it. :thumb:

That has been what I have learned from my bannings.

And knowing that Knight is god here helps also. And that he has some archangels that you don't want to tick off either. They are like the four horsemen of the apocalypses. Not very nice when they are unleashed.. :thumb:

[DoogieTalons]

TOL RULE OF THUMB #242:
If you are nervous about donating or subscribing to TOL because you fear you might be banned, then you SHOULD NOT donate or subscribe to TOL.I don't mind donating to specific causes, miniveras wedding and the ToL a Thon... but I would be nervous about a Years subscription... So I'll keep the monthlys up as it's only about £1.56 and since I quit smoking upon Viv anouncing she was pregnant 16 months ago I have more cash. :chuckle:

[highchurch]

Who are you? :idunno:
just a friend..

[Mystery]

If you ask Sozo, he will tell you that I continue to pos rep him almost daily, as I do many here who clearly disagree with me strongly, even godrulz (!).

The value of your reps have just taken a nose dive.

[Dave Miller]

I think using the conscience that God gave you before you post is a good idea.

Sometimes what we may find not really objectionable, is to others, due to our own experiences. Step outside of your own box when you read what you post and if you have doubt re word it. :thumb:

That has been what I have learned from my bannings.

And knowing that Knight is god here helps also. And that he has some archangels that you don't want to tick off either. They are like the four horsemen of the apocalypses. Not very nice when they are unleashed.. :rotfl:


Says the guy with the revolting blood spurting violent avatar. I took you off ignore for a
second because based on your post I thought maybe you'd gained some sensibility. Not...
back on ignore.

AMR, if you're willing to "pay more" with the expectation of receiving some measure of
fairness, think again. Does giving a bully more lunch money at school ever buy fairness?

[Knight]

Well I would gladly pay a higher fee per month for the opportunity to "spill more beer" without ending up in the woodshed. I wonder why that would even be necessary, but I would do it.With a LIFETIME membership (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37757) you can spill almost all the beer you want to.

[DoogieTalons]

So with a lifetime membership could I spill the beer on anyone's head or is it just the carpet ?

[Knight]

So with a lifetime membership could I spill the beer on anyone's head or is it just the carpet ?Just the carpet. :)

[Dave Miller]

With a LIFETIME membership (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37757) you can spill almost all the beer you want to.

Hopefully not Guiness...

[Town Heretic]

Yuengling? :cheers:

But who would want to spill any of that? :nono:

[Lighthouse]

We only want people to subscribe (or donate financially) if their heart leads them to.

If you do not wish to subscribe to TOL that is your prerogative.
What if you want to, but can't?

[Ask Mr. Religion]

The value of your reps have just taken a nose dive.Even the misguided occasionally say something worthwhile, whether they mean to or not. :D

[Mystery]

Even the misguided occasionally say something worthwhile, whether they mean to or not. :DI guess you are right, because I've given you a couple, haven't I?

;)

[Ask Mr. Religion]

I guess you are right, because I've given you a couple, haven't I?

;)Well I was directing my response in godrulz' direction. But thanks just the same.:D

[Mystery]

Well I was directing my response in godrulz' direction. But thanks just the same.:DI know, but I couldn't help eliminating all the competition in one post! :D

[Ask Mr. Religion]

I know, but I couldn't help eliminating all the competition in one post! :DGood smack :thumb:

[Knight]

What if you want to, but can't?
Then you can support TOL the old fashioned way.... with your participation! :up:

[Layla]

Good thread, interesting read, hehe.

TOL RULE OF THUMB #242:
If you are nervous about donating or subscribing to TOL because you fear you might be banned, then you SHOULD NOT donate or subscribe to TOL.

I don't really understand why anyone is nervous of banning. It's not hard to work out what is ok and what's not. If an infidel like me can manage to be here a year without being banned once, despite the obvious and admitted biases, why do so many others find it so difficult? :idunno:

[Knight]

Good thread, interesting read, hehe.



I don't really understand why anyone is nervous of banning. It's not hard to work out what is ok and what's not. If an infidel like me can manage to be here a year without being banned once, despite the obvious and admitted biases, why do so many others find it so difficult? :idunno:Beats me! :idunno: You are an excellent example of somebody who seems to understand the drill.

[Knight]

TOL RULE OF THUMB #16:
If you want to ensure your survival on TOL... find ways to make Knight like you. Say things that flatter Knight. Compliment Knight's appearance and superior intellect. Change your opinions so that they more closely match Knight's. Compose posts detailing the brilliant observations that Knight makes.

[Mystery]

:chuckle:

Send cookies?

[Town Heretic]

:chuckle:

Send cookies?

Would a pie do? I'd even hand deliver it...sort of...:D

[Knight]

Would a pie do? I'd even hand deliver it...sort of...:D
:eek:

[Ask Mr. Religion]

TOL RULE OF THUMB #16:
If you want to ensure your survival on TOL... find ways to make Knight like you. Say things that flatter Knight. Compliment Knight's appearance and superior intellect. Change your opinions so that they more closely match Knight's. Compose posts detailing the brilliant observations that Knight makes.
For example (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1525749&postcount=13) :)

[Maximeee]

:chuckle:

Send cookies?

I bring muffins.. :chuckle: Blueberry or banana :chuckle:

[Poly]

TOL RULE OF THUMB #16:
If you want to ensure your survival on TOL... find ways to make Knight like you. Say things that flatter Knight. Compliment Knight's appearance and superior intellect. Change your opinions so that they more closely match Knight's. Compose posts detailing the brilliant observations that Knight makes.


For starters you could post songs and videos by STYX. That'll really get you in good with Knight. :singer:

And make sure to trash talk Hockey. And if you're ever in his neck of the woods, offer to take him to a soccer game. :thumb:

[Town Heretic]

For starters you could post songs and videos by STYX. That'll really get you in good with Knight. :singer:

And make sure to trash talk Hockey. And if you're ever in his neck of the woods, offer to take him to a soccer game. :thumb:

I also have it on good authority that Knight is a sucker for those old school basketball shorts. You know, the kind that cut off mid thigh? Word around town is he rolls like that on the public courts....so I'm really, really sure that if you sent him a pair he'd be demonstrative in his level of appreciation.

I'd go so far as to feel absolutely certain he'd be obliged to thank you publically.

:rotfl: Maybe throw in an old school headband to match.

[PyramidHead]

Since around ~100% of my posts are either wrong or stupid, I can fairly say I've earned whatever flames I have received.

Rules of engagement: don't be stupid.

let's not over complicate things here

[Quincy]

Since around ~100% of my posts are either wrong or stupid, I can fairly say I've earned whatever flames I have received.

Rules of engagement: don't be stupid.

let's not over complicate things here

everytime i see one of ur post i think of the scene from the silent hill movie where pyramid head, uh does what pyramid head does best. so id be fearful of u being banned haha.

[Layla]

I want cookies.

[Town Heretic]

I want cookies.

Well, there's still plenty of pie left....:chew:

I'm just saying there's enough for everyone if you'll line up so I can, er, hand it to you, sort of... :shocked:

[Layla]

You have trans-atlantic arms?

[Lighthouse]

Then you can support TOL the old fashioned way.... with your participation! :up:
I like that idea.:idea:

Wait a minute, my name's green!

[Town Heretic]

You have trans-atlantic arms?

I've always beleived a man's reach should exceed his grasp or what's a pie for? :think:

(with profound apology to Robert Browning)

[Psalmist]

:think:

TOL Rules of Engagement Need Clarity and highchurch and better reason.

The TOL webmaster, admins and mods need not my defense, but once in a while somebody makes a post about TOL that makes me almost fume, well almost.

Myself being a TOL subscriber, I am passive, non-threatening, but sometimes I have a "However"

Understanding that TOL is an open forum, and I respect that. However . . .

maybe more of us would subscribe if you gave us better reason to.

A better reason? Care to elaborate?

I (Psalmist) will . . .


A better reason -

#1: The spreading of the Gospel and the truth of Jesus Christ. If through all the TOL postings, ramblings, pokes and jabs, and other stuff, one person has seen the truth of the Gospel and has come to know and accept Jesus as savior, been born again, is saved, seen the light, did a Romans 10:8-13, because of TOL, then it is worth every penny of support.

#2: A better reason: See #1.

#3: The spread of religious affiliation and political spectrum is really wide and varied, and a fair representation. I like to know what others are thinking.

#4: TOL is equal opportunity posting, believing in the truth, and fair. There are some other "Religious/Political/And The Rest" websites that if you vary and sometimes in the least from their platform, it is a cause for banning from their website.

#5: Higher academia is not required, but is welcome. Most here at TOL are good natured, civil, and have a good understanding of what they believe, and post accordingly. TOL provides for me an opportunity to learn something that will help, and maybe put a little more polish on my pastoral care abilities.

#6: Quote, Town Heretic, "One big, occasionally happy if dysfunctional family...What's not to love?"

TH this ones for you . . . :cheers:

We only want people to subscribe (or donate financially) if their heart leads them to.

If you do not wish to subscribe to TOL that is your prerogative.

I see it like this, "You’ll support what you believe in" and "Those who stand for nothing, will fall for anything"

I personally believe that subscribing, or donating to the support of TOL is worth it, and I do.

Donating, is was freewill. Subscribing, personal choice. Supporting through adding smilies, gift subscriptions, and other TOL deals, is another way.

Not one time has Knight arm twisted for TOL website support, and has ONLY asked when there was a very present pressing need at times to help others at TOL.

Knight, the admins and mods are good people. Knight set the rules and they should be followed, after all didn‘t we click the box that says, "I agree to rules of TOL". Knight, the admins and mods are doing their best to lead by example, or they wouldn‘t be in their place of authority. Deal with it, or help make TOL a better place by being a better forum member, subscriber or not.
TOL RULE OF THUMB #242:
If you are nervous about donating or subscribing to TOL because you fear you might be banned, then you SHOULD NOT donate or subscribe to TOL.
Donating, subscribing and banning -
But then, when you pass your driving test, pay the fee, get your official driver’s license, do you spend your driving time looking of your shoulder for a driver’s license revocation?

TOL banning is never frivolous -
Those who are banned, subscriber, donator or not. It is usually for a less than honorable post, an egregious posting that needs to be deleted and the poster dealt with accordingly, maybe banned.

That’s
- 30 -
:scripto:. . Psalmist

[Just Tom]

:think:

TOL Rules of Engagement Need Clarity and highchurch and better reason.

The TOL webmaster, admins and mods need not my defense, but once in a while somebody makes a post about TOL that makes me almost fume, well almost.

Myself being a TOL subscriber, I am passive, non-threatening, but sometimes I have a "However"

Understanding that TOL is an open forum, and I respect that. However . . .



A better reason? Care to elaborate?

I (Psalmist) will . . .


A better reason -

#1: The spreading of the Gospel and the truth of Jesus Christ. If through all the TOL postings, ramblings, pokes and jabs, and other stuff, one person has seen the truth of the Gospel and has come to know and accept Jesus as savior, been born again, is saved, seen the light, did a Romans 10:8-13, because of TOL, then it is worth every penny of support.

#2: A better reason: See #1.

#3: The spread of religious affiliation and political spectrum is really wide and varied, and a fair representation. I like to know what others are thinking.

#4: TOL is equal opportunity posting, believing in the truth, and fair. There are some other "Religious/Political/And The Rest" websites that if you vary and sometimes in the least from their platform, it is a cause for banning from their website.

#5: Higher academia is not required, but is welcome. Most here at TOL are good natured, civil, and have a good understanding of what they believe, and post accordingly. TOL provides for me an opportunity to learn something that will help, and maybe put a little more polish on my pastoral care abilities.

#6: Quote, Town Heretic, "One big, occasionally happy if dysfunctional family...What's not to love?"

TH this ones for you . . . :cheers:



I see it like this, "You’ll support what you believe in" and "Those who stand for nothing, will fall for anything"

I personally believe that subscribing, or donating to the support of TOL is worth it, and I do.

Donating, is was freewill. Subscribing, personal choice. Supporting through adding smilies, gift subscriptions, and other TOL deals, is another way.

Not one time has Knight arm twisted for TOL website support, and has ONLY asked when there was a very present pressing need at times to help others at TOL.

Knight, the admins and mods are good people. Knight set the rules and they should be followed, after all didn‘t we click the box that says, "I agree to rules of TOL". Knight, the admins and mods are doing their best to lead by example, or they wouldn‘t be in their place of authority. Deal with it, or help make TOL a better place by being a better forum member, subscriber or not.

Donating, subscribing and banning -
But then, when you pass your driving test, pay the fee, get your official driver’s license, do you spend your driving time looking of your shoulder for a driver’s license revocation?

TOL banning is never frivolous -
Those who are banned, subscriber, donator or not. It is usually for a less than honorable post, an egregious posting that needs to be deleted and the poster dealt with accordingly, maybe banned.

That’s
- 30 -
:scripto:. . Psalmist

You should be banned just for how you format your posts :dizzy: they are hard to read with the font and the jagged formating..

[Psalmist]

You should be banned just for how you format your posts :dizzy: they are hard to read with the font and the jagged formating..

Hard to read, part of the problem is called "Formatting Syndrome", which caused by years and years of typesetting, artwork and layout in graphics art.

Jagged formatting, the formatting layout does not have a justified type link, only flush left, center, flush right.

So . . .

Just Tom, that will give you something to work on. You seem to have some pull with the TOLer's. And if you get enough to complain about my formatting, and the powers that be tell me to stop or I'll get banned. Then I may go back to the lack luster bluish/gray formatting that looks really dull.

[Just Tom]

Hard to read, part of the problem is called "Formatting Syndrome", which caused by years and years of typesetting, artwork and layout in graphics art.

Jagged formatting, the formatting layout does not have a justified type link, only flush left, center, flush right.

So . . .

Just Tom, that will give you something to work on. You seem to have some pull with the TOLer's. And if you get enough to complain about my formatting, and the powers that be tell me to stop or I'll get banned. Then I may go back to the lack luster bluish/gray formatting that looks really dull.


Everything being in italics doesn't help either.. It is great for highlighting attention to some text but not the whole post..:dizzy:

I have no pull here I and my push isn't much either.

[Vern Reed]

Think of TOL like a block party. And the block party is at Knight's house. Everyone on the block is invited. The host of the party has certain rules that he expects his guests to follow. During the party not all the rules are being followed, yet some people are getting a "pass" while others are asked to leave, why?

Because the host likes certain people more than others. :thumb:


So it's "Knight on-line" rather than "Theology on-line"! The site seriously needs renaming if this is your approach to theology and its debate.

[Vern Reed]

If I take it a step further, we can view TOL as a football and Knight as the owner of the football. When Knight gets upset, he takes said football with him so no-one else can have a go. As an analogy it's a little back to front, but the point stands all the same.

[DoogieTalons]

So it's "Knight on-line" rather than "Theology on-line"! The site seriously needs renaming if this is your approach to theology and its debate.I've often thought it's a lucky domain name aquisition.

TheologyOnLine is as much about Theology as the the Ford website is about Cars... sure they may mention other brands every now and again but it will only be in relation to thier inferiority to Ford. :chuckle:

[Vern Reed]

I've often thought it's a lucky domain name aquisition.

TheologyOnLine is as much about Theology as the the Ford website is about Cars... sure they may mention other brands every now and again but it will only be in relation to thier inferiority to Ford. :chuckle:

Ooh, sharp work there Mr Talons! The nail is getting a hit squarely on the head...

[Knight]

You should be banned just for how you format your posts :dizzy: they are hard to read with the font and the jagged formating..Buy a Mac and lose the "jaggies". :)

[Knight]

If I take it a step further, we can view TOL as a football and Knight as the owner of the football. When Knight gets upset, he takes said football with him so no-one else can have a go. As an analogy it's a little back to front, but the point stands all the same.Uh... yeah...

Lets... review....

- I create a fun, entertaining forum for people to participate on
- I maintain said forum and attempt to keep it fresh and fun
- I moderate (with the help of others) said forum so it stays semi-in-control.

And you define that moderation as "taking my ball and going home"?????

Dude.... are you smoking crack?

[Knight]

I've often thought it's a lucky domain name aquisition.

TheologyOnLine is as much about Theology as the the Ford website is about Cars... sure they may mention other brands every now and again but it will only be in relation to thier inferiority to Ford. :chuckle::chuckle: :up:

Well said!

[Knight]

Truth be told....

I am not a big fan of the domain name TheologyOnline.com either. At the time I started this website I liked the name, but later on I realized it wasn't the best fit. That's why several years back we bought the name.... TruthSmack.com (which works as well) but it was too late to re-brand.

So.... we decided to just stick with TOL.

[drbrumley]

Truth be told....

I am not a big fan of the domain name TheologyOnline.com either. At the time I started this website I liked the name, but later on I realized it wasn't the best fit. That's why several years back we bought the name.... TruthSmack.com (which works as well) but it was too late to re-brand.

So.... we decided to just stick with TOL.

It's never too late!:cheers:

[Town Heretic]

It still beats my YouCalledMeAwhat.com idea :think:

The logo was a mess anyway. :sigh:

[Knight]

It's never too late!:cheers:Actually... it is...

TOL has a very high level of power within in google, that's an internet holy grail. Therefore, changing our branding (and domain name) now would mean dramatically reducing our power within Google.

You can however still get to TOL through TruthSmack.com as well as theologyonline.net

[Town Heretic]

Or OneSideFitsAll.com...that was another one that needed work. :D

Actually I like the TOL bit. It drew my interest where none of the other sites had and that led to my exposure to any number of interesting and helpful ideas. So there. :thumb:

[DoogieTalons]

Actually... it is...

TOL has a very high level of power within in google, that's an internet holy grail. Therefore, changing our branding (and domain name) now would mean dramatically reducing our power within Google.

You can however still get to TOL through TruthSmack.com as well as theologyonline.net
Indeed, just search Understand Christianity and the thread is on the first page and the thread is not really very old.

[Vern Reed]

Dude.... are you smoking crack?

I'm a sausage casserole, beer and football man. Sorry old chap. Clean-living see. But then you have your preferred domain name with the word 'smack' contained therein. Smack, crack, charlie, weed, green, speed, etc. Not for me though chief. :nono:

[Vern Reed]

Further to the above, I mean football as in your soccer. I play it. I prefer rugby, but the insurance and commitment is too high. I do shifts and a nine day rota, making it impossible for a structured approach to such an involved sport. Anyway, I like romantic meals and candle-lit dinners. I prefer the local pub though - the talk is always more stimulating there. You can often find me in the hills mountain biking. I'm a good cook and I read avidly. I'm not sure what avidly means, but it sounds about right for how I read. I haven't taken any drugs of note since 1999, and that was only socially. It is very much overrated.

[Nick M]

Then perhaps a Sozo-level-membership option is needed. Something that lets a person spill plenty of beer (stuck in metaphor hell now). As it is, the allusion to "a few bucks" is a tad off-putting since the few bucks some pay is the highest level of membership offered, short of lifetime membership.

Or perhaps the line on the front portal referring to "spirited debate" could be accurately rendered to the effect that debate is going to be biasedly moderated in favor of those that agree with the site's owners. Truth in advertising will go a long way towards short-circuiting these matters.

I was going to ask how much are you willing to pay. Being the capitalist I am and all. But it was answered on page 7 or something.

Lets cut to the chase shall we?

I am not going to permanently ban Mystery. I like Mystery, he is my friend and my brother. Does he make me mad on occasion for his lack of self control? Yes.

But Mystery has a better grasp on the gospel than 99% of all the people here on TOL. His commitment to God's word is almost unparalleled on these forums. Unlike many, Mystery does not worship religion or theology, he isn't in bed with a political party and he doesn't buy into the wacky conspiracy garbage. Mystery places truth on a higher pedestal than acceptance or tolerance. In short, Mystery is a man after my own heart. :)

So.... get over it already! :sozo:

Great post and policy.

The fact is, sometimes the truth hurts.

You should be banned just for how you format your posts :dizzy: they are hard to read with the font and the jagged formating..

Now that is just plain stupid.

[Knight]

Indeed, just search Understand Christianity and the thread is on the first page and the thread is not really very old.TOL threads often get google page 1 ranking in less than 24 hrs!!!! For instance, about 16 hours after I posted the Gary Meggison (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=46031) thread it was number 3 on google (now it's #2) when you searched Gary Meggison (http://www.google.com/search?q=gary+meggison&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a) on google.

That's pretty cool, altough some might say "who on earth searches for the name 'Gary Meggision'?"

To which I respond.... he does. :)

Yet TOL also ranks very high for more common keywords especially news of the day type threads. TOL's thread Colorado School Stabbing (http://www.google.com/search?q=colorado+school+stabbing) was number one on google (out of 55,300 results) the morning after I posted the story.

[Knight]

But then you have your preferred domain name with the word 'smack' contained therein.:ha: touché! :chuckle:

[Knight]

Further to the above, I mean football as in your soccer. I play it. I prefer rugby, but the insurance and commitment is too high. I do shifts and a nine day rota, making it impossible for a structured approach to such an involved sport. Anyway, I like romantic meals and candle-lit dinners. I prefer the local pub though - the talk is always more stimulating there. You can often find me in the hills mountain biking. I'm a good cook and I read avidly. I'm not sure what avidly means, but it sounds about right for how I read. I haven't taken any drugs of note since 1999, and that was only socially. It is very much overrated.Uh.... what is this eHarmony?

[PyramidHead]

personally, I like the name TheologyOnline

makes the noobs think civil discussion goes on in here before the actually see some posts

:chuckle:

[Knight]

personally, I like the name TheologyOnline

makes the noobs think civil discussion goes on in here before the actually see some posts

:chuckle:Hmmmm.... good point. :up: I never really thought about the expectation factor.

[Psalmist]

.
In my own defense . . . :sherlock:

You should be banned just for how you format your posts :dizzy: they are hard to read with the font and the jagged formating..


The original post edited more to the point . . . :geek:

:think:


TOL Rules of Engagement Need Clarity and highchurch's post "A better reason" and subscribing.


The BEST REASON is the only one needed . . .

#1: The spreading of the Gospel and the truth of Jesus Christ. If through all the TOL postings, ramblings, pokes and jabs, and other stuff, one person has seen the truth of the Gospel and has come to know and accept Jesus as savior, been born again, is saved, seen the light, did a Romans 10:8-13, because of TOL, then it is worth every penny of support.

#2: A better reason: There is no #2. See #1.





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[Dave Miller]

Hmmmm.... good point. :up: I never really thought about the expectation factor.


Shocked the hell out of me. I thought this place was going to be civil, then
suddenly Nin was all over me like a buzzard on a gut wagon. But its alot more fun
than "more civil" Christian forums.

[MaryContrary]

Shocked the hell out of me. I thought this place was going to be civil, then
suddenly Nin was all over me like a buzzard on a gut wagon. But its alot more fun
than "more civil" Christian forums.
Sometimes it's impossible to be both civil and truthful. It's rather telling who choses which when it comes down to it.

[Vern Reed]

Uh.... what is this eHarmony?

I'm painting a picture, a picture of me.

[DoogieTalons]

TOL threads often get google page 1 ranking in less than 24 hrs!!!! Right how do I work Atheists Rule into a thread title.

[Dave Miller]

Sometimes it's impossible to be both civil and truthful. It's rather telling who choses which when it comes down to it.

The irony is that I'm required to be civil while others are not. But its just as well, I like
myself better this way. This place is almost like a patience training camp for anyone with
a liberal / humanist ideology, whether Christian or not. Learning to endure abuse without
acting out in return is a skill worth developing.

[Knight]

Right how do I work Atheists Rule into a thread title.Simple!

Possible Thread Title:

In a lost and confused world, atheists rule.

[Town Heretic]

Shocked the hell out of me. I thought this place was going to be civil, then suddenly Nin was all over me like a buzzard on a gut wagon. But its alot more fun than "more civil" Christian forums.

Buzzard on a....:rotfl: I've never heard that expression. :squint: I know, I should get out more.

I was attracted by TOL's scholarly appearance (from a distance) and signed on without looking around much, posting within minutes...the first one resulted in Knight shouting at me and asking if I was stupid. :chuckle: I suppose I was hooked then and there. And for all the grousing that goes on I can't say I've met a wider variety of decent, funny, thoughtful, generous and (when you go deeply enough) likeable people anywhere.

TOL has broadened my horizon in terms of how I see people. I am not nearly so dismissive of those with views that I once judged from a contemptuous height (I thought) of reasoned understanding. Oh I still think most of you are desperately holding onto a thread of rationality, but I admire your tenacity now. :D

And TOL, all of you, have by turns helped me examine my own understanding and firmed (in some cases altered) ideas I had long taken for granted. In short, TOL has been, for me, a Godsend and all of you as well...:e4e:

[Knight]

the first one resulted in Knight shouting at me and asking if I was stupid. :chuckle:Ahh.... my faith in my own perceptiveness is now restored.

;)

[freelight]

TOL has a very high level of power within in google, that's an internet holy grail. Therefore, changing our branding (and domain name) now would mean dramatically reducing our power within Google.


I think TOL's domain is 'stellar' in that respect, as the name at least holds the prestige and aura of 'theology' and brings in more serious students of the craft. - and given its peculiar 'society within' and its unique 'behaviorisms', lol....some of us for some reason or other stay aboard, rolling with the punches - honing our dialogue skills, being more careful to mediate our commentaries before hitting the 'send' button. (practicing mindfulness). Veterans here have learned to dodge the pie-throws, face-slaps and get in our own licks of pudding from time to time being consistent and true to our path none-the-less. Thru courtesy we can work at 'understanding' each other which would enable us to love one another even better.

And so dialogue can become an art for those more creative and willing to expand consciousness beyond their own nose or preferred school of thought, considering that there might be more out there (recalling that 'God' and His Universe of Mind and Spirit are INFINITE). This space being a medium of language, thought and metaphor then is a nuetral canvas in which one can craft his 'word' in ways that are beyond the norm as magical and inspiring. While we are limited by the extent of alphabet and form in the english language there is still the whole world of inner meanings woven within the words and how we craft our sentences to inspire new depths - exploring new dimensions, 'reading between the lines'.

Knight has a certain goodness of soul about him, everyone does (however hard to believe at times)...if they can just quiet the outer mind(ego) down a bit and look at everything from a higher perspective - it never hurts to re-examine everything, our thoughts, beliefs, opinions. Consider our own spiritual journeys...and what we've been thru and how our beliefs and views have changed over the years...showing an 'evolution' or 'unfolding' of consciousness. A little mercy for oneself and others can go a long way.

:) - I'm sure he keeps some of us more eccentric ones around for mere aesthetic value. Or we're irreplacable, one of a kind, or just too pretty a pebble to just toss out. lol. 'Count your many blessings' - if its not here, one will continue elsewhere,...but being here has its own specialness, there being no space like it, so even our sharing-investments here...in these moments...have their place in eternity. Consider it,...what we can do with this space. It is in 'space' that we have the opportunity to create within...for good or evil - our 'words' have intrinsic power and the spirit and motive behind them shine thru. We have the power to build or destroy thru our 'words'.



paul

[0000]

I have a low tolerance for vile, baseless name-calling regardless of from whom it comes. That isn't debating.How about this one?:

Idiot.

You are disgusting.

[Redfin]

How about this one?:

I have absolute confidence that cattyfan's application of the aforementioned pejoratives was neither vile nor baseless, but utilized only after a most exhaustive, objective and considered analysis of the intended victim, err... target, uhh... I mean, subject. :chuckle:

[0000]

I have absolute confidence that cattyfan's application of the aforementioned pejoratives was neither vile nor baseless, but utilized only after a most exhaustive, objective and considered analysis of the intended victim, err... target, uhh... I mean, subject. :chuckle::execute: Well, that's reassuring, hehe.

I've a few ready myself when she gets back.

[Town Heretic]

Cattyfan's response was fairly tame by TOL blow-up standards and without the context for it my inclination is to believe that this was the end result of an ongoing interpersonal conflict that reached its critical mass. In any event, I feel reasonably confident that most of us will from time to time find ourselves responding in ways that, upon cooler reflection, we might come to regret. I rebuked someone a while back when, with hindsight, I'd rather have left with a "sorry you can't see reason in this and your conduct relating to my comments harms only your reputation" but it was late, the conversation had been ongoing and filled with increasing levels of tension...it happens.

Now if you want colorful, go poke Sozo in the eye with an ideological stick. You'll think Cattyfan gave you a hug and a plate of warm cookies. :D

[Knight]

:execute: Well, that's reassuring, hehe.

I've a few ready myself when she gets back.
How about I just ban you now so we can get it over with?

[Redfin]

:execute: Well, that's reassuring, hehe.

I've a few ready myself when she gets back.

Is she gone? I hadn't noticed. :cry:

Been busy watching a new nation (Kosova) come into being. :cheers:

[0000]

How about I just ban you now so we can get it over with? :) That's entirely up tp you. I believe that Ebenz/Nori wanted to chat with you first, but please do whatever works best for you.

[0000]

Is she gone? I hadn't noticed. :cry:

Been busy watching a new nation (Kosova) come into being. :cheers:She's away for a week, I'm told. I'll have to catch the news myself yet today.

[0000]

Cattyfan's response was fairly tame by TOL blow-up standards and without the context for it my inclination is to believe that this was the end result of an ongoing interpersonal conflict that reached its critical mass. :) Yah, I noticed a personality conflict brewing for about a week prior. Initially, I just tried to avoid her by not responding, but she preferred to pursue me for whatever reason.

Now if you want colorful, go poke Sozo in the eye with an ideological stick. You'll think Cattyfan gave you a hug and a plate of warm cookies. :DWe'll see whether I get banned first. If the moderators can handle some prodding and refrain from a ban, then perhaps I'll see how your friend interacts. If not, then we may never know.

[ebenz47037]

:) That's entirely up tp you. I believe that Ebenz/Nori wanted to chat with you first, but please do whatever works best for you.

As owner of TOL, it's totally up to Knight whether he wants to keep you here or not. I have nothing to say about that.

[0000]

As owner of TOL, it's totally up to Knight whether he wants to keep you here or not. I have nothing to say about that. :) Sure thing. But you pretty much had the process started, if I'm not mistaken.

[ebenz47037]

:) Sure thing. But you pretty much had the process started, if I'm not mistaken.

Oh! Quit whining. You got banned for three days. Not that hard to handle unless your ego is the size of a house.

[Knight]

No kidding. Get over yourself already. :baby:

[0000]

Oh! Quit whining. You got banned for three days. Not that hard to handle unless your ego is the size of a house. ;) Oh, I don't mind getting banned. That's not really the complaint. I've been through much worse.

Ego-allegation is quite common within the context of personality conflicts due to it's vague all-inclusiveness, but corporate managers are not typically the type to berate themselves for ego-inflation. We know that everyone is afflicted with it, including yourselves. Those who consider us as 'allies' will interpret our ego-inflation as 'courage' (as per the positive comments I've been privately receiving from a few others for my comments recently), and those who consider us 'enemies' will interpret our confidence as 'egocentricity', doing what they can to 'equalize' percieved imbalances of power as relatively measured against their own degree of egocentricity. This is a common understanding within psychology.

For example, egocentricity is more commonly rewarded in the corporate realm, and can even have positive health effects by medical standards. So I do my best to be egocentric when I can, unless dealing with someone who is under-privileged. You should read up on the health literature. Donald Trump is a fine model of egocentricity resulting in positive health and longevity. Why permit the condescension of others? It's simply unhealthy. Strict retaliation is often the best answer when the other person/people do not stand down. A good offense is the best defense.

What I had communicated to you earlier is that I am unwilling to conform to Rule #13 within your ruleset. As such, I've suggested to you the opportunity to engage in further banning, either before or after further violations of rule #13.

No kidding. Get over yourself already. :baby: :drum: And quench health-enhancing endorphins? Never. Not until your moderators take a few good shots.

Ego-allegation is most often a liberally-based argument. Hence, you may be displaying a slight liberal slant.

[Truppenzwei]

What I had communicated to you earlier is that I am unwilling to conform to Rule #13 within your ruleset. As such, I've suggested to you the opportunity to engage in further banning, either before or after further violations of rule #13.

So you basically know the rules but aren't willing to abide by them and are stating such in advance of doing the deed.

Why bother with the forums at all?

Personally Knight I would ban him for life as he is obviously not going to respect the rules.

Shame.

Regards
T.

[0000]

So you basically know the rules but aren't willing to abide by them and are stating such in advance of doing the deed.The staff member had violated the same rule prior to enforcing it.

Why bother with the forums at all?I'll leave the final decisions to the moderators.

Personally Knight I would ban him for life as he is obviously not going to respect the rules.

Shame.

Regards
T. :) There's one vote already. Such a ban won't likely be enacted until adequate group support is swayed. This will avoid the 'bad guy' image for the enforcer of such a ban. I'll patiently wait.

[Prolifeguyswife]

:) There's one vote already. Such a ban won't likely be enacted until adequate group support is swayed. This will avoid the 'bad guy' image for the enforcer of such a ban. I'll patiently wait.

LOL, I've only been at this a week, but I got the impression a "bad guy" image is the very least of things the TOL admins are worried about. It seems like you're literally begging. Don't do anything desperate if they don't bite and you don't get the ban you wish for.

[0000]

LOL, I've only been at this a week, but I got the impression a "bad guy" image is the very least of things the TOL admins are worried about.Could be, lol.

But people often like to see 'Captain Righteous' vanquish 'Doctor Evil'. If one's mission of charity lapses, then at least justice is being enforced somewhere.

It seems like you're literally begging.I'm doing my best short of vulgarity.

Don't do anything desperate if they don't bite and you don't get the ban you wish for.I will jump off of a very high cliff if I don't get banned. 'Doctor Evil' must be destroyed.

[Town Heretic]

But people often like to see 'Captain Righteous' vanquish 'Doctor Evil'.
I understand that you see it that way, but to the admin it might look more like Captain Reasonable bannishes Doctor Annoying...or Doctor Difficult...or Nurse Practitioner Unruly even. :think:

We are all heroes in our movie, the central character in a compelling narrative. The difficult part in life is recognizing that for most we would be listed as Other Guy/Girl In Forum...
If one's mission of charity lapses, then at least justice is being enforced somewhere.
Of course it's always the other guy who's being unbending, no? And I'm not sure that justice is being offended at TOL...if you know the lay of the land before you build you shouldn't complain about living on a hill later. And if you don't know what the heck were you thinking building before you did?
I'm doing my best short of vulgarity.
To what end? It's easier just to leave if you don't like it. :idunno: Or complain loudly but civilly and go on about enjoying what you do like.
I will jump off of a very high cliff if I don't get banned. 'Doctor Evil' must be destroyed.
So to protest injustice you're going to do that which should be rewarded, justly, with a ban...well that makes sense. :squint: It's a little like getting a speeding ticket for going a little fast, complaining that police cars frequently do that, then "showing them" by driving so fast that you loose your license. :sigh:

[0000]

We are all heroes in our movie,No, I'm 'Doctor Evil'. But it's not my movie.

Of course it's always the other guy who's being unbending, no?No, that'd be me with the rule infraction.

And I'm not sure that justice is being offended at TOL...I'm offending justice by violating rule #13.

So to protest injustice you're going to do that which should be rewarded, justly, with a ban...No, you misunderstand. I'm not protesting injustice. I'm protesting justice.

[Truppenzwei]

No, I'm 'Doctor Evil'. But it's not my movie.

No, that'd be me with the rule infraction.

I'm offending justice by violating rule #13.

No, you misunderstand. I'm not protesting injustice. I'm protesting justice.

Actually I think you are just being a muppet

[0000]

Actually I think you are just being a muppet :devil: Yes, but I'm one of the evil muppets.

[Caille]

Is anybody else getting sick of this dweeb's "I used to be a corporate manager!" BS? It's about as annoying as his "You should have more respect for me because I have cancer!" palaver.

I say ban him just for being an annoying corporate manager with cancer.

[eveningsky339]

Is anybody else getting sick of this dweeb's "I used to be a corporate manager!" BS? It's about as annoying as his "You should have more respect for me because I have cancer!" palaver.

I say ban him just for being an annoying corporate manager with cancer.

I'm pretty sure you're going to be banned before the day is out. :eek:

[0000]

Is anybody else getting sick of this dweeb's "I used to be a corporate manager!" BS? It's about as annoying as his "You should have more respect for me because I have cancer!" palaver.Temper. Temper. Your true colors are showing. That's not quite what I said.

I say ban him just for being an annoying corporate manager with cancer.That's two votes now. How about three?

[csuguy]

Maybe if I drank less beer, I'd stop spilling it as often as I do. :idunno:

No! You must drink it faster - that way its harder to spill ;)

[Caille]

I'm pretty sure you're going to be banned before the day is out. :eek:



:noid:

[Mr. 5020]

I say ban him just for being an annoying ... cancer.I agree... :up:

[0000]

I agree... :up: ;) Three votes. Is there a need for more?

[Town Heretic]

This is starting to remind me of Andy Kaufman reading Kafka onstage. At first you wonder what it means. Then you wonder why you're wondering. Then you get the feeling that it means you've just wasted a good deal of time you won't get back....then it's funny. :D

[Ask Mr. Religion]

It was never my intention that the thread turn into a place where members can fall on their swords, commit seppuku, etc.

I have resisted closing the thread, but it is just too entertaining, or mesmerizing, as in rubber-necking an auto accident cleanup.

EDIT: Just noticed that 0000 has earned himself 50 infraction points, which means he will be breaking rocks out back of the woodshed until the Second Coming. :chuckle:

Has this thread run its course? Should it be closed or left open? The thread does have a certain schadenfreude appeal, no?

[DoogieTalons]

I likey the schadenfreude, it's what most british comedey relies on.

Bring it on..

[chrysostom]

It is ok to horse around but this is just monkey business

[Psalmist]

It was never my intention that the thread turn into a place where members can fall on their swords, commit seppuku, etc.

I have resisted closing the thread, but it is just too entertaining, or mesmerizing, as in rubber-necking an auto accident cleanup.

EDIT: Just noticed that 0000 has earned himself 50 infraction points, which means he will be breaking rocks out back of the woodshed until the Second Coming. :chuckle:

Has this thread run its course? Should it be closed or left open? The thread does have a certain schadenfreude appeal, no?

:think:


For me it has run its course, I'll now unsubscribe.


See you elsewhere in the forums AMR :cheers:



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[Town Heretic]

It just won't be the same in here without oooo's prayers for relief. :sigh:

Okay Psalmist, I'm with you.

:tunes:
"Turn out the lights, the party's over..."

Last one out get the door. :e4e:

[Ask Mr. Religion]

It just won't be the same in here without oooo's prayers for relief. :sigh:

Okay Psalmist, I'm with you.

:tunes:
"Turn out the lights, the party's over..."

Last one out get the door. :e4e:Done!