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Knight
March 28th, 2003, 08:12 PM
Get this HILARIOUS new t-shirt from the TheologyOnLine store (http://www.cafeshops.com/tolstore.5353911).

This shirt is SURE to be a conversation starter especially when you run into those "nicer than God" Christians.

To see a close up of the back of the shirt....
[ CLICK HERE (http://www.theologyonline.com/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=519) ]

lucybelle
March 28th, 2003, 09:04 PM
Are you saying we're dumb???

Knight
March 28th, 2003, 09:17 PM
Originally posted by lucybelle
Are you saying we're dumb??? Aren't you familar with the "Dummies" series?

Goose
March 28th, 2003, 10:35 PM
Oh man. I love this!

Zakath
March 29th, 2003, 08:37 AM
Can anyone spell "trademark infringement"?

Just a friendly quesition; I trust you have permission from Wiley and Sons to modify their trademark and sell it?

(Just trying to help you hold onto your hard-earned resources...)

Goose
March 29th, 2003, 08:39 AM
oh please

Freak
March 29th, 2003, 08:46 AM
Originally posted by Zakath
Can anyone spell "trademark infringement"?

Just a friendly quesition; I trust you have permission from Wiley and Sons to modify their trademark and sell it?

(Just trying to help you hold onto your hard-earned resources...)

Big bad Zakath has spoken. You better run.....

Freak
March 29th, 2003, 08:47 AM
Zakath attempts to say: "Just a friendly quesition"

Quesition?

And you have a PhD?

:D

Zakath
March 29th, 2003, 08:50 AM
Originally posted by Freak
Quesition?


Thay didn't hire me fer my speling, you no!

Zakath
March 29th, 2003, 08:54 AM
Originally posted by Goose
oh please
Just trying to be a helpful netizen.

When Company A uses Comany B's trademarked material for Company A's commercial goods you've got to pay the trademark owner, or at least get permission.

Unless, of course, Knight is giving away the shirts. Then the rules are a bit different...

Goose
March 29th, 2003, 09:14 AM
And we know that about 3 of these will sell and profit HUGE rewards....

Freak
March 29th, 2003, 09:22 AM
Originally posted by Goose
And we know that about 3 of these will sell and profit HUGE rewards....

For you must understand my dear friend Goose, atheists like being cruel and Zakath is acting out his anger that is deep within him.

Goose
March 29th, 2003, 09:24 AM
I know, but I thought he was just being nice....:D

Jefferson
March 29th, 2003, 11:00 AM
Originally posted by Zakath
. . . quesition . . .
Not to go off topic but this brings to mind a question I've had about dyslexia. Do dyslexic people also read numbers backwards?

When they pay a bill for $27 do they sometimes write the check out for $72 instead? Does anyone know a dyslexic person who can answer this?

Zakath
March 29th, 2003, 12:22 PM
I have a child who is dyslexic. There are a number of forms of this cognitive processing disorder. This individual's improves when on certain medication.

Some forms of it are treatable with medication, some do not appear to respond to any known meds.

I'm not a cognitive psychologist, but IIRC, dyslexia is an apparent temporary disconnect between the recognition of written symbols (letters, numbers, etc.) or language sounds (phonemes) and the processing order of the symbols. Thus dyslexia can be observed with written language and numbers as well as words. When the person is asked to reproduce a string of symbols or phonemes they do so out of the original order.

Some people, myself included, have what can probably described as weak or mild dyslexia. It manifests mostly when I'm stressed or not paying full time and attention to what I am typing. It is not usually treated with medication, but requires the individual to pay particular attention to handling words or strings of numbers.

Zakath
March 29th, 2003, 12:27 PM
Originally posted by Freak
For you must understand my dear friend Goose, atheists like being cruel and Zakath is acting out his anger that is deep within him.

"atheists like being cruel"? "acting out his anger"?:crackup:

Interesting characterizations, Jay. You sound like another "wannabe shrink" without the cojones or intellect to endure the study required for certification or licensing...

Sorry to bust your amateur bubble, Jay my lad. No anger here. Just a concern for Knight's well-being. If I didn't care, I wouldn't have posted.

I'm sure he has things well in hand.

Jefferson
March 29th, 2003, 12:33 PM
Thanks for the info on dyslexia Zak. I was wondering why I've never heard of any lawsuits from dyslexic people who have accidently written checks out for the wrong amount and then tried to recover the difference in court.

Zakath
March 29th, 2003, 12:39 PM
Originally posted by Jefferson
Thanks for the info Zak.
You're very welcome.

I was wondering why I've never heard of any lawsuits from dyslexic people who have accidently written checks out for the wrong amount and then tried to recover the amount in court. In a country as diverse as the U.S. I'd be willing to wager there probably have been a few such suits. :rolleyes:

Most of the suits involving dyslexia that I'm familiar with are Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) violation suits for alleged discrimination in hiring or promotion or suits by parents or guardians to have government schools provide special services for their dyslexic students.

shilohproject
March 29th, 2003, 12:40 PM
Originally posted by Jefferson
Thanks for the info on dyslexia Zak. I was wondering why I've never heard of any lawsuits from dyslexic people who have accidently written checks out for the wrong amount and then tried to recover the amount in court.

I would think that the redundancy involved in writing out the number in words on the amount line would act as a buffer in this situation. The dyslexic check writer might transpose a 7 for a 2, as in your earlier example, but he/she doesn't necessarily think wrongly about the amount due. They might tear up a lot of miswritten checks, though.

BTW, do you not think the trademark question is valid? My wife is a litigator, perhaps I could ask her for you...

ebenz47037
March 29th, 2003, 12:43 PM
Originally posted by Jefferson

Not to go off topic but this brings to mind a question I've had about dyslexia. Do dyslexic people also read numbers backwards?

When they pay a bill for $27 do they sometimes write the check out for $72 instead? Does anyone know a dyslexic person who can answer this?

I'm dyslexic. And, the answer to your question is yes. That's why I always check everything four or five times when I do my bills.

Knight
March 29th, 2003, 01:36 PM
I think Zakath makes some good points.

I will probably remove the shirt from the store.

Knight
March 29th, 2003, 01:47 PM
Originally posted by Zakath
Can anyone spell "trademark infringement"?

Just a friendly quesition; I trust you have permission from Wiley and Sons to modify their trademark and sell it?

(Just trying to help you hold onto your hard-earned resources...) I have decided to take Zakath's good advice.

I have removed the shirt from the store.

You can still view the graphic in the gallery at:
http://www.theologyonline.com/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=519

But, I certainly do not want to do anything illegal so I did remove it from the store. I will look into this issue further and see if there is a way to modify the design as so that it doesn't infringe on anyone's trademarked material and then maybe re-release it.

Freak
March 29th, 2003, 01:53 PM
Originally posted by Zakath


"atheists like being cruel"? "acting out his anger"?:crackup:

Interesting characterizations, Jay. You sound like another "wannabe shrink" without the cojones or intellect to endure the study required for certification or licensing...

Sorry to bust your amateur bubble, Jay my lad. No anger here. Just a concern for Knight's well-being. If I didn't care, I wouldn't have posted.

I'm sure he has things well in hand.

Interesting characterization, Zakath. You describe me as a "wannabe shrink"--very interesting claim since I never claimed to be one. Do you do this often? Do you make false assumptions about people, like you have done to me, often?

Jefferson
March 29th, 2003, 02:27 PM
Originally posted by Knight
I have decided to take Zakath's good advice.

I have removed the shirt from the store.
NNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

Knight, parodies are done all the time. Check out http://www.weirdcrap.com/chick/submit.html There is also a parody of The Drudge Report. Companies like free advertising which is what your shirt will be giving to the Dummies company. Do you really think they are going to sue you over 3 sales that gave them free advertising? The shirts don't even poke fun at the Dummies books. They poke fun at nonjudgmental Christians.

I've got an idea. Just sell the shirts with no profit in them. Or sell them with all the profits going to some very politically correct cause like AIDS research. Could you imagine a company risking bad publicity from coast to coast by suing someone who used their design to raise money for AIDS research?

Knight
March 29th, 2003, 02:33 PM
Originally posted by Jefferson

NNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

Knight, parodies are done all the time. Check out http://www.weirdcrap.com/chick/submit.html There is also a parody of The Drudge Report. Companies like free advertising which is what your shirt will be giving to the Dummies company. Do you really think they are going to sue you over 3 sales that gave them free advertising? The shirts don't even poke fun at the Dummies books. They poke fun at nonjudgmental Christians.

I've got an idea. Just sell the shirts with no profit in them. Or sell them with all the profits going to some very politically correct cause like AIDS research. Could you imagine a company risking bad publicity from coast to coast by suing someone who used their design to raise money for AIDS research? If I had the ability to produce these shirts myself I might do something like your saying. However, we use cafepress to produce our products and I wouldn't want to jeopardize my relationship with them.

Jefferson
March 29th, 2003, 02:45 PM
Originally posted by Knight
If I had the ability to produce these shirts myself I might do something like your saying. However, we use cafepress to produce our products and I wouldn't want to jeopardize my relationship with them. Why don't you email cafepress a copy of your shirt and ask them if it would be okay with them?

shilohproject
March 29th, 2003, 03:53 PM
Originally posted by Jefferson


I've got an idea. Just sell the shirts with no profit in them. Or sell them with all the profits going to some very politically correct cause like AIDS research.

This would probably work if you frame it right.

Zakath
March 30th, 2003, 07:09 AM
Originally posted by Freak
Interesting characterization, Zakath. You describe me as a "wannabe shrink"--very interesting claim since I never claimed to be one. Do you do this often? Do you make false assumptions about people, like you have done to me, often? No more frequently than you do, Jay. ;)