OK who wants to battle????

[Knight]

I am ready to set up another battle royale.

Who wants to battle?

Who do you want to battle?

And what do you want to battle about?

If you don't know what a Battle Royale is click here. (http://www.theologyonline.com/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=23)

[Knight]

Bump.

[bibliophile1954]

I don't know if this will qualify or not, but how about 'DOES THE MEDIA REALLY AFFECT CHILDREN? I know it isn't theological, but I might be willing to give it a try!

In His Name!
bib:thumb:

[ibowatjesusfeet]

I think we should do the evolution v. creationism or creationism (thousands of years) v. creationism (millions of years).

[ebenz47037]

Originally posted by bibliophile1954
I don't know if this will qualify or not, but how about 'DOES THE MEDIA REALLY AFFECT CHILDREN? I know it isn't theological, but I might be willing to give it a try!

In His Name!
bib:thumb:

Oooh! That's a good idea, bib! :thumb: I bet you would want to take the same side I would. :D

[Knight]

Originally posted by bibliophile1954
I don't know if this will qualify or not, but how about 'DOES THE MEDIA REALLY AFFECT CHILDREN? I know it isn't theological, but I might be willing to give it a try!

In His Name!
bib:thumb: Bib can you be a tad more specific?

[ibowatjesusfeet]

How about violence in the media? That's a hot topic now-a-days.

[LostOne96]

How about the compositionary nature of the Gospel of John as a heavily edited text? Arguing about the existance of a Signs Gospel and later editings/additions by a Jewish/Christian editor and then later by the Fourth Evangelist.

*ducks behind flame proof shield*

[Paradõsis]

How about the compositionary nature of the Gospel of John as a heavily edited text?

No no no, I think they want debates where it'd be fun to observe; the theory stated above is too easily disprovable :) Ever read anything by Fr. John Breck? His book Scripture in Tradition does a pretty good job of refuting this position, with the only shortcoming being his (IMO) over-usage of arguments relating to the chiastic literary device (chiasmus).

[LostOne96]

Paradosis: Too easily disprovable? I don't know how in the world you could believe that the gospel of John today is a coherent single work! Aside from geographic schizophrenia, there is idealogical disparities, linguistic differences, and stylistic shifts throughout.

Ever read Fortna's The Fourth Gospel and its Predecessor? Even without it, it's still possible to discern at least three different authors writing at three different times within the Gospel of John.

1)The Signs Gospel
2)The Jewish Christian Editor
3)The Fourth Evangelist (often called the Ecclesiastical Redactor)

Within the first chapter, there is enough evidence to say that there is more than one mind at work, or at least to suggest that, if there is only one author to the entire text, he's a terrible writer.

[Paradõsis]

I don't know how in the world you could believe that the gospel of John today is a coherent single work!

Because the god-bearing saints of the Church did, and they passed on the apostolic tradition down to me (as unworthy as I am). If I have to choose between them and modern scholarship which makes mountains out of molehills (e.g., ooooh look! he used a different word, this must be a different author!), I'll go with the members of the theanthropic body of Christ, the saints of God :)

[LostOne96]

So, you're refutation to the argument is . . . because my daddy told you?

Did it not ever occur to you to criticaly examine that which you accept as doctrinal? After all, questioning tradition (your defense for your own view of the unified Gospel of John theory) is what led to the protestant reformation and made your own religion possible.

Blind faith without the research to back it up (and obviously you haven't done any research because you don't know about the drastic differences among the three possible authors) is about is silly as those who refuse to read the Bible on the grounds that it is just a bunch of fairy tales.


EDIT: Just because I'm a bit of a masichist, I'm going to include here a link to Fortna's reconstructed "Signs Gospel."

Signs Gospel (http://gospels.net/translations/signstranslation.html)

There is also a lot of other information on the same page here (http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/signs.html) .

Read and enjoy.:)

[temple2006]

Paradosis...(as unworthy as I am).

What drives you to be so self-deprecating. That is totally unnecessary and very wrong.

[LostOne96]

Your silence speaks volumes.

[Aimiel]

Originally posted by Knight (Administrator)
I am ready to set up another battle royale.Cool.Who wants to battle?I do, I do.Who do you want to battle?NuMessJew.And what do you want to battle about?Who is Jesus? Is He the Messiah prophecied in the Torah? If He is supposed to come back, when? Where is He?If you don't know what a Battle Royale is click here. (http://www.theologyonline.com/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=23)

[Knight]

Originally posted by famousGandalf7
Cool.I do, I do.NuMessJew.Who is Jesus? Is He the Messiah prophecied in the Torah? If He is supposed to come back, when? Where is He? I will consider this!

Does NuMessJew want to battle?

[Aimiel]

Or, so methinks.

[jjjg]

I'll battle with one of you guys about whatever topic you pick.

[ATAT]

jjjg, how about with me?

I'm an Orthodox Jew, and Jesus never said you have to:

Believe he is God who died on the cross as your sin atonement sacrifice.


He DID say you have to forgive others to be forgiven. If you don't forgive others, you won't.





According to the NT.



ATAT8080@yahoo.com

[Aimiel]

Every soul who got into Heaven had to go through the Door of the Sheep.

[jjjg]

I accept your challange atat.

[ATAT]

Great!

How do we proceed?

if I'm late, e-mail me at


ATAT8080@yahoo.com

[jjjg]

I need to read the rules. Hey knight how do you proceed?

[jjjg]

Hi, ATAT, we need to come up with three agruments for the moderator to choose from.

[ATAT]

Great!


How about:


1. Jesus never taught you have to believe in him as God to be forgiven.

2. Jesus tried to deny being God.

3. Jesus would have been horrified to think God needs / requires a sacrifice to forgive people.


That is in order of my pref.


Have a great weekend!

[ebenz47037]

Hey Knight! How about either me or OneEyedJack against shima on taxes or public school? :D

[Knight]

Originally posted by ebenz47037
Hey Knight! How about either me or OneEyedJack against shima on taxes or public school? :D Battle Royale VIII maybe?

I like the public school debate.

See if Shima is up to it.

[ebenz47037]

:D I'll see if he wants to do it. We've already been getting a little heated about both subjects.

[Crow]

Originally posted by ebenz47037
Hey Knight! How about either me or OneEyedJack against shima on taxes or public school? :D

I'd like to see that myself--you would both be good. Too bad they don't have tag-team battles yet--it would be good to see both of you as a team. :D

[ebenz47037]

Originally posted by Crow
I'd like to see that myself--you would both be good. Too bad they don't have tag-team battles yet--it would be good to see both of you as a team. :D

That would be a blast! :D Either Jack or BillyBob would work for me on those two subjects. :D

[One Eyed Jack]

Originally posted by ebenz47037
That would be a blast! :D Either Jack or BillyBob would work for me on those two subjects. :D

I must be better at debating than I thought...

[BillyBob]

Hey Nori, I'm game. Here is my resume.....


Shima;
Well, I could be wrong about you [ebenz] specifically. But how many parents do you know that can teach math, science, literature, history etc as well as any teacher could? I know NOT ONE.

Billy;
Shima, in my area and I assume everywhere else, there are many homeschool groups that exchange curriculum and ideas about schooling. Twice a week our boys meet with other homeschool kids for a full day of classes taught by the parents [usually the Mom's] and MANY of these parents have teaching degrees. These parents hold classes based on their field of expertise and the kids get a chance to socialize. My wife, for example, has a degree in Christian education. One Mom has a science degree. I was schooled at Eastman School of Music and because we live in Nashville, most kids have a musician in the family so they can get a quality musical education that very few kids in any public school could ever get!

I think you have a very misinformed idea about homeschooling.



Shima;
I wouldn't mind having a "comparative religion" class though.


Billy;
I am very aprehensive about having religion taught by a public school teacher. You were worried about homeschool teachers credentials, I would like to know what credentials a Comparative Religions Teacher would have. Is it the Gym teacher looking for a few extra bucks because he wants to buy that Corvette that he could never afford and his middle age identity crisis demands that he drive a sports car to impress the High School girls who think he is older than their own fathers and he shouldn't be trying to impress them in the first place but his wife says they can't afford it so he takes on the new CR class?
Uhhhhhh....No Thanks.


Shima;
If a school in New York decides NOT to teach science, than those kids going there are at a disadvantage when compared to other schools. In todays knowledge based economy, its pretty important that the subject matter being taught in school is accurate.

Billy;
As far as I know, every school teaches science and I agree that it is a very important subject. As far as accuracy being guaranteed, this is one of the reasons we homeschool. We KNOW absolutely what our kids are being taught and guess what? There are no thugs in our class. There are no drugs in our class.There is no 'sex in the stairwells'. There is no crazy bus driver screaming obsenities at the kids. There are no gangs, no bloody noses or torn clothing from fighting. No pressure from older kids saying 'try this kid, it will make you feel good. Don't you wanna hang out with us'.
Oh, and you would be AMAZED at how polite homeschool kids are! I guess they stopped teaching manners in public school a long time ago.


Shima;
What other things do you teach that are merely your own opinions and not real facts? "OKay kids, you know all about math, but in my opinion 1+2 doesn't equal 3." LOL

I seriously doubt a teacher would do such a thing. Can you say the same?

Billy;
Don't kid yourself. Teachers are always going to inject their personal opinions when they teach, it is inevitable. At least with our homeschool groups, we share with the teachers the same ideology and are quite at ease allowing them to have our kids for a few hours a week.

Hey, are you sure about the 1+2 not equaling 3 thing? Sounds like a college philosophy class.......
College.....now you gave me something to worry about!

[ebenz47037]

Knight, we really need to do a "tag team" BR. That would be fun. Especially with someone like Jack or BillyBob. :yesyes:

[Crow]

:bannana: TAG TEAM! TAG TEAM!:jump:

[BillyBob]

Hey Nori, I think that Eireann would be a good match-up with Shima.
He seems to have a strong opinion about the public school topic and he loves to debate.

[Sozo]

:director: Christian's cannot sin

[jjjg]

Knight, did you get my PM?

[BillyBob]

Sozo;
Christian's cannot sin.

Billy;
Good for you....

[add yasaf]

I would like to debate any Calvinist and Open Theist on this site.

There aren't that many good Calvinists, there are much more of that kind of open theist.

But, this would help me lose a little frustration out. Not in the Battle. What I mean is that frequently the debates are really not debates. Many just choose to ignore a great point, or rebuttal and move on like nothing happened.

At least this way they cant ignore the posts.

I will take on both at one time if you want.

[Berean Todd]

I would find a calvinist/armenian debate very interesting. While I generally fall on the side of Calvinists, I still find myself outside of both; there are points to both which I find hard to dispute, and this I tend to fall inbetween and think that there might be a middle ground which includes parts of both. However, as I said I think it would be a very interesting debate indeed.

[Devil'sAdvocate]

Debate a Preterist.

[add yasaf]

Devil's advocate quote - Debate a Preterist.


I I think it is quite possible that all the prophecies have been fulfilled, but really I don't care about eschatology too much, except that one needs to be ready. That debate would be very speculative anyways.

[rfburnhertz]

Originally posted by Devil'sAdvocate
Debate a Preterist.

That is an evil avatar you have.

For shame!

[Devil'sAdvocate]

Originally posted by rfburnhertz
That is an evil avatar you have.

For shame!

Are we going to debate Mac and PC?

[Tye Porter]

Don't you mean, "Homo or Straight?"

[rfburnhertz]

Originally posted by Devil'sAdvocate
Are we going to debate Mac and PC?

An OS debate.....
that could be fun.

Mac.... kills Winblows....

Linux Kills all comers.

[Tye Porter]

Originally posted by rfburnhertz
An OS debate.....
that could be fun.

Mac.... kills Winblows....

Linux Kills all comers.


PUUUUUH Leeeeeeassssse!

[rfburnhertz]

Originally posted by Tye Porter
PUUUUUH Leeeeeeassssse!


Please, when is the last time you touched anything other than a Winblows box?

Not since 3.1 I bet.

My Linux has never once crashed on me. Indivudual programs have (though rarely), and when those programs crash or freeze I don't have to reboot. I just type XKILL in the run box and am back to computing in mere seconds.

I don't have to reboot after a software install, I don't have to reboot after a hardware install. I don't have to reboot.

The Penguin reigns!
All bow to the Penguin!

[Tye Porter]

Originally posted by Devil'sAdvocate
Are we going to debate Mac and PC?

Now this guy has a great avatar!

[Devil'sAdvocate]

Originally posted by Tye Porter
Now this guy has a great avatar!

Thank you, Tye.

[Tye Porter]

Originally posted by Devil'sAdvocate
Thank you, Tye.

My Pleasure.
You obviously have great taste.

[rfburnhertz]

Originally posted by Tye Porter
My Pleasure.
You obviously have great taste.

You know that the lil devil avatar is the logo of yet another UNIX based OS right? :D

[Tye Porter]

He's Beating the Flightless bird, is all I care!

[rfburnhertz]

Originally posted by Tye Porter
He's Beating the Flightless bird, is all I care!
:D
Someday you will know the power of the Penguin. :D

[Tye Porter]

Tastes like chicken.
I have had some, before, in 90, Greenland.
It's some powerful stuff, alright.
Sleeping bag stank the next morning!

[tuxpower]

Originally posted by Tye Porter
He's Beating the Flightless bird, is all I care!
I don't get it. What's your beef with the penquin? How can you like FreeBSD and not Linux? Unless you have a problem with servers that stay up for years. :think:

[tuxpower]

Originally posted by Tye Porter
Tastes like chicken.
I have had some, before, in 90, Greenland.
It's some powerful stuff, alright.
Sleeping bag stank the next morning!
:shocked: I can't believe you ate one of Tux's relatives!!

[Aimiel]

I still want to debate JosephofMessiah; on anything: Jesus' Diety, the Triune Nature of God, Jesus' virgin birth, being born again, being Spirit-filled. I just like his stance and stamina.

[Jerry Shugart]

I would like to debate the truth that "Once Saved,Always Saved".

There are some verses that are used to attempt to discredit the OSAS view,but I am prepared to answer each and every one of them.

In His grace,--Jerry

[Freak]

Originally posted by Jerry Shugart
I would like to debate the truth that "Once Saved,Always Saved".

There are some verses that are used to attempt to discredit the OSAS view,but I am prepared to answer each and every one of them.

In His grace,--Jerry Good issue to debate and the issue regarding water baptism.

[truthseeker45]

debate, never mind