I consider myself a....

[Knight]

Lets get a feel for who is posting at TOL.

[Freak]

Just a follower of the Lord Jesus Christ.

[Zakath]

:bannana:

At this precise juncture in time, atheists make up 1/3rd of the respondents to Knight's poll.

:up:

[philosophizer]

Originally posted by Zakath
:bannana:

At this precise juncture in time, atheists make up 1/3rd of the respondents to Knight's poll.

:up:

Not anymore. :p
:D

[lucybelle]

I fall into that first catagory...funny though...I hate being catagorized...it doesn't leave much room to move around...

[CoCrucified]

It is interesting to me that so many atheists are involved here. I wonder what motives they have for participating in the discussions here. Perhaps they are trying to "convert" the rest of us to their atheists religion, or maybe they are still seeking answers?

[Zakath]

Originally posted by CoCrucified
It is interesting to me that so many atheists are involved here. I wonder what motives they have for participating in the discussions here... I can answer for no one but myself. This atheist posts here for entertainment value. When it ceases to be entertaining, I'll stop.

[lucybelle]

Originally posted by Zakath
I can answer for no one but myself. This atheist posts here for entertainment value. When it ceases to be entertaining, I'll stop.

As long as I'm still here...that will never happen...:bannana:

[Knight]

Originally posted by Zakath
I can answer for no one but myself. This atheist posts here for entertainment value. When it ceases to be entertaining, I'll stop. Oh come on....

Admit it you have found a bit of a home here at TOL.

:bannana:

[CoCrucified]

Originally posted by Zakath
I can answer for no one but myself. This atheist posts here for entertainment value. When it ceases to be entertaining, I'll stop.

I suppose if I were an athiest, I'd consider all this as nonsense, and probably wouldn't fool with any of this.

...Anyway, I'm glad you are here! We'll try and keep it entertaining as possible.
:zakath: :ha: :D

[CoCrucified]

Zakath,

I notice that your profile says you are a "former pastor." In what denomination were you a pastor? I'm just curious.

I was raised as a Roman Catholic, and I was REALLY Catholic. I was an Altar Boy, never missed Catechism and planned on becoming a Priest.

I am now a Born Again, saved by the grace of God Christian. I was not born again when I was a Catholic, just very religious. I have attended Baptist Churches in the past, but now I consider myself a non-denominational Bible believer.

[Z Man]

Originally posted by CoCrucified
I am now a Born Again, saved by the grace of God Christian. I was not born again when I was a Catholic, just very religious. I have attended Baptist Churches in the past, but now I consider myself a non-denominational Bible believer.
That's how I see myself. I hate labels, and I don't like to be called religious. I don't like to be called a certain denomination, and really don't like to be classified into a religion called Christianity. To me, I'm not a religious person, because I believe people define religion as a "spiritual escape-goat" from the choatic reality of this world. It's reality, and not just mine, or just for those who believe in God, but the Christian faith is the truth of reality for everything that exists. I believe that Christianity is not a religion, but rather a relationship.

[Goose]

Originally posted by lucybelle
I fall into that first catagory...funny though...I hate being catagorized...it doesn't leave much room to move around... I place you in the dynamic category then. :ninja:

[Zakath]

Originally posted by Knight
Oh come on....

Admit it you have found a bit of a home here at TOL.

:bannana:

That's like thinking that Jeffords has found a "home" in Congress. ;)

[Zakath]

Originally posted by CoCrucified
Zakath,

I notice that your profile says you are a "former pastor." In what denomination were you a pastor? I'm just curious.Assemblies of God, then I pastored two independent churches.

[Zakath]

Originally posted by CoCrucified
I suppose if I were an athiest, I'd consider all this as nonsense, and probably wouldn't fool with any of this.

...Anyway, I'm glad you are here! We'll try and keep it entertaining as possible.
:zakath: :ha: :D Thanks I appreciate the effort. Enjoy it. Life's too short to get upset about the petty things.

[lucybelle]

Originally posted by Goose
I place you in the dynamic category then. :ninja:

YESS!!!! DYNAMIC!!! That's JUST the WORD to describe me!! *way to go Goose!* ;)

[White]

Assemblies of God

Considerring your avatar, I find that hilarious. I go to an AG college (until Saturday when I graduate), and I am a little dissapointed that they frown on me having a guiness or New Castle once in a while.

[shilohproject]

Originally posted by lucybelle
I fall into that first catagory...funny though...I hate being catagorized...it doesn't leave much room to move around...

I, too, fall into the first catagory. I also believe that it is terribly vague, but that it leaves HUGE room to move around! Do you mean "Protestant" as in Calvinist Lutheran, OSAS Baptist, Liberal Methodist, Non-Denominational denomination, etc?:doh:

[Z Man]

Hey Zakath, what caused you to quit being a pastor. if you don't mind me asking?

[Z Man]

Shiloh,
You're my enemy, as long as you keep that avatar. ;)

[CoCrucified]

Originally posted by Z Man
I don't like to be called a certain denomination, and really don't like to be classified into a religion called Christianity. I believe that Christianity is not a religion, but rather a relationship.

I once heard someone say that religion is man seeking God, and Christianity is God seeking fallen and lost mankind.

Of course nowadays, to be politically correct, we'd have to replace "man" and "mankind" with "persons." :D

Back in the late 1970s there was a bumper sticker people put on their cars. It said, 'I FOUND IT!" I made my own bumper sticker, and it said, "HE FOUND ME!"

[CoCrucified]

Originally posted by shilohproject
Do you mean "Protestant" as in Calvinist Lutheran, OSAS Baptist, Liberal Methodist, Non-Denominational denomination, etc?:doh:

The term, "Protestant" came from the Protestant Reformation started by Martin Luther. It referred to those who protested the Roman Catholic Church and their doctrine of salvation through the sacraments and only through the Roman Catholic Church. Martin Luther said that Scripture clearly showed that salvation was a gift of God and not earned by works.

Just a footnote on this, Pope John Paul II recently said that salvation is a gift from God and not of works. This was an agreement with Martin Luther, who was previously considered a heretic. BTW, The official Roman Catholic Catechism still says salvation is through works.

[.Ant]

Originally posted by CoCrucified
Back in the late 1970s there was a bumper sticker people put on their cars. It said, 'I FOUND IT!" I made my own bumper sticker, and it said, "HE FOUND ME!"
:thumb:

Yeah, I'm definately a protestant. I don't worship Mary, and don't think too much of the pope.

And I'm certainly a Christian.

[lucybelle]

*whispers*- *I want a princess smilie*

[Aimiel]

Christian. (other)

[lucybelle]

you are a Princess smilie for me?? yes??

[CoCrucified]

Originally posted by Zakath
Assemblies of God, then I pastored two independent churches.

Was there a particular event that caused you to become an Atheist?

Please don't feel that you have to answer me. I just like to get a feel for where people are coming from.

[Aimiel]

97.5% Christian, at the moment. That's interesting, and much higher than I thought.

[shilohproject]

Originally posted by Z Man
Shiloh,
You're my enemy, as long as you keep that avatar. ;)
...but I say to you, "Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven..." Hey , I know that's a peace-nic thing to say, but it wasn't originally written by me!

(Really I just put that there to jazz you up! I saw a trailer for the new release and it looks pretty sweet.):cool:

[shilohproject]

Originally posted by famousGandalf7
Christian. (other)
With so many responses saying Christian-Other, I feel silly but have to ask, what do you (all) mean by "other?" How would you desribe your position? How is it contrary to, say, traditional Catholic or protestant positions?

Just curious.:help:

[philosophizer]

I voted "other." I am technically a protestant, in that I don't subscribe to catholicism. But I don't consider myself any particular denomination of protestantism. I kinda think denominations are a bad idea anyway. Conceptualizations are prisons for the mind.

I believe the bible is the inerrant Word of God. I believe that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, was true God and true man, was resurrected, and is the only way to the Father. :thumb:

[Aimiel]

Though I am a member of my church (which is not affiliated with any particular denomination) I do not answer, other than to say, "Christian," when asked my church affilliation / denomination. I don't have religion, and since the believers are the church, the Body of Christ, with the Lord making His Abode on the inside of us, the priority should be on Him, not on man's works. I am a spirit-filled believer, but don't consider that a denomination, merely a step which is taken (or not) in a Christian's life.

[Z Man]

Bravo FG7 and Philosophizer! :thumb:

[Aimiel]

Z'ster; where U iz? You still in paradise?

[Z Man]

Sadly, no.... :( But gladly, I'm back home in good 'ol NC! Getting ready for the college life this fall.... :dunce:

[PureX]

Where is "none of the above"? hehe

[Aimiel]

Personally, I like the way Jesse Duplantis answers this question. He turns it back on the asker, and whatever they say, he usually says, "I am too," and is able to witness to them. He says that everyone that lives in Louisanna has been Catholic, at least once. He says that He is a witness to Jehovah. He says that he is (whatever someone says) so that they will feel relaxed and confide in him what they really think of the situation they are in (plane ride, shopping check-out, whatever) and they are then off to a running start in a good conversation.

[Mathaytace ><>]

I don't like denominational labels, I am a Christian, a Christ Follower, but if I must......

Theologically I fit in well with the The Charasmatic Churches although I do attend a Reformed Episcopal Church. And politically I am right-wing.

:chuckle:

[CoCrucified]

Originally posted by Mathaytace ><>
I don't like denominational labels, I am a Christian, a Christ Follower, but if I must......


I agree about the denominational labels. They are man made.

My preference in Churches are the non-denominational Bible Churches.

[Z Man]

What if you go to a non-denominational Bible Church that interprets the bible to believe that one must be baptized in order to be saved? Just playing devil's advocate....

[CoCrucified]

Originally posted by Z Man
What if you go to a non-denominational Bible Church that interprets the bible to believe that one must be baptized in order to be saved? Just playing devil's advocate....

I have never attended a Bible Church that interpreted it that way.

Bible Churches I've attended are similar to Baptist in doctrinal interpretation, just not as legalistic. I've attended Baptist Churches that put the Christian back under the law.

[Aimiel]

It seems to most Christians that the least mature denomination is the Baptists, and yet, if they were not out there on the streets going door-to-door witnessing the Gospel, who would be?

Before anyone asks, I am not singularly a Baptist (anymore).

[Shaun]

Actually, I'd argue the least theologically mature group is the Pentecostals.

The Baptists are around there, but still somewhat better.

But there's no reason to throw around generalizations. I personally prefer Christians. They are pretty down-to-earth people. :cool:

[Z Man]

I grew up Pentecostal; my dad's a pentecostal preacher. But by being in the Navy, I've met tons of people with so many different beliefs, and instead of one view, I saw many. It made me study the Bible more passionately, and I became open-minded a bit. Then I met a guy who totally changed my view on salvation by showing it to me in the Bible. I never saw it there before because many of the verses he used, pentecostals skip or ignore or just don't go into plain detail about. Anyways, I do not like pentecostal churches now; too much religion and not enough God for me... :D

[lucybelle]

how come 'Princess' isn't an option up there?!
I am .... a :Princess:....that should be up there...

[anna]

Originally posted by famousGandalf7
Personally, I like the way Jesse Duplantis answers this question. He turns it back on the asker, and whatever they say, he usually says, "I am too," and is able to witness to them. He says that everyone that lives in Louisanna has been Catholic, at least once. He says that He is a witness to Jehovah. He says that he is (whatever someone says) so that they will feel relaxed and confide in him what they really think of the situation they are in (plane ride, shopping check-out, whatever) and they are then off to a running start in a good conversation.

I'm from Louisiana, but I was never a Catholic. It's true, though, most people who are from Louisiana are or were Catholic at some point. :)
ac

[Aimiel]

I believe we are supposed to be all things to be able to witness to all men.

[Zakath]

But what are you? Do you consider yourself such a witness?

[Shaun]

Matthew 18:16
But if he will not hear, take with you one or two more, that "by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.'

Acts 22:15
For you will be His witness to all men of what you have seen and heard.

:D

[Aimiel]

Originally posted by Zakath But what are you? Do you consider yourself such a witness? Zak,

:confused:
To whom is your post addressed?

[heusdens]

Missed the following option:

Materialist

The position of a materialist is a more fixed and well defined position as that of a atheist, which is in itself a theistic point of view, but then in a negative sense (denying the existence of a deity).

Materialism states that the outside objective world, independend of our minds, exists in a material way, which is in endless motion.
Matter is the primary component of reality, consciousness or mind is secondary. Matter can neither be created or destroyed. Apart from matter, nothing exists (that is: not in an objective way, outside and independend of mind)

[Curtsibling]

All of the poll choices are ill-fitting to me...:)

Not that it really matters, but: I am not hostile to anything, except cretinism.

[Curtsibling]

Originally posted by Tye Porter


Curt:
There are only two choices:
1) Saved
2) Unsaved

If you are unsaved, you are hostile to God.



That is what is seen through your eyes.

You have your version of god.
I have my way of life...I am only hostile to fools.

But I am expansive, I can give the hand of friendship to a foe,
if he comes around to my thinking...Can you?

In my view, there are many ways to live on this Earth.
If you restrict yourself, in time you will be crushed, by your own self-made walls.

Live your life and leave others to theirs, best way to be.

[Z Man]

Originally posted by Curtsibling
Live your life and leave others to theirs, best way to be.
In that case, who needs law enforcements?

[Curtsibling]

Wrong context, Zman.

I am talking about self-determination and minding your own business.

Not law and crime.

[Z Man]

Well then, why worry about other's mind being? If they want to kill someone their angry at, let them be. Why arrest them? Isn't that getting into their business?

[RogerB]

Live your life and leave others to theirs, best way to be.

I am talking about self-determination and minding your own business.

A theological discussion board is the wrong place to be if you want to be left alone.

[Curtsibling]

Originally posted by Z Man
Well then, why worry about other's mind being? If they want to kill someone their angry at, let them be. Why arrest them? Isn't that getting into their business?

You are reading into it, Z Man.

I am talking about the normal people in day-to-day life.
Not San Quentin jail...

How many people have you killed today?

[Knight]

Originally posted by Curtsibling
Live your life and leave others to theirs, best way to be. Can you therefore condemn others that wish to NOT live by your standard?

If so, how?

[Curtsibling]

Noble Knight, I do not set a standard.
I am but a single man, I seek not to condemn anyone.

I am not trying to speak for social standards, perhaps I should clarify that.
Murderers, rapists, child abusers, they should be condemned.

I am merely speaking of the people you see at work or in daily life.
I do not assume to be their judge, would you?

[Knight]

Originally posted by Curtsibling
I am not trying to speak for social standards, perhaps I should clarify that.
Murderers, rapists, child abusers, they should be condemned. Says who?

[Curtsibling]

I say that I am not speaking for social standards.

Society says that murderers, rapists, child abusers, they should be condemned.

The law is the law, right?

Just ask Z Man.

[Knight]

Originally posted by Curtsibling
I say that I am not speaking for social standards.

Society says that murderers, rapists, child abusers, they should be condemned.

The law is the law, right?

Just ask Z Man. So you are saying that if you lived in a land where those behaviors (murderers, rapists, child abusers) were not criminal you would be "OK" with that?

Can you think of societies throughout history that decriminalized behaviors that you think were wrong?

[Curtsibling]

Did you read what I said, Sir Knight?
Where did you draw this criminal element from?
I am talking about let normal people being allowed to get on with their lives.

With due respect, Let me ask someting;

Why are you and Z Man trying to apply some wildly different concept onto a fairly uncontroversial statement by myself?

This is the context I meant:
If you lived or worked next to a pagan, for instance, would you let them go about their lives, or would you be affronted by what they are?

(feel free to answer)

This what I meant, nothing less nothing more.

Also:
One thing about me gentlemen, I call a spoon a spoon.
I don't go in for cryptics, I tell it like I see it. Straight talk.
If I wanted to add something about law inforcement into my statement I would have.

My statement had nothing to do with law, only we, as normal, law-abiding people.
It was yourselves that went off in a different direction with this social standards idea...

All the best,
Curt

[Z Man]

Curt, you said:
Originally posted by Curtsibling
In my view, there are many ways to live on this Earth.
If you restrict yourself, in time you will be crushed, by your own self-made walls.

Live your life and leave others to theirs, best way to be.
Do not the laws of society restrict people? There is only one way to live your life here on this Earth, and that's by the law. I can't be a murderer, or enjoy canabalism, or enjoy having sex with animals, or young boys, or girls, or enjoy a life of writing bad checks, or stealing, and so forth, because of the laws restrictions.

But you insist that we should live our lives the way we want to and let others live theirs. Do you not accept that other's have desires to live their life in a way that may be restricted by the law? And if not, who has that authority to declare them "criminals", or "not normal", because of their different taste in lifestyles?

You claim that Christians judge people, yet I believe we only uphold the Truth; the real Laws. People like you are the ones who really condemn and judge. For a person to live their lives and let be, they must adhere to your standards. For a person to live and let be in a Christians perspective, they must live in accordance to God's standards.

Forcing people to live to your standards is a little egotistical and judgemental, don't you think? You're such a hypocrite....

[Knight]

Originally posted by Curtsibling
Did you read what I said, Sir Knight?
Where did you draw this criminal element from?
I am talking about let normal people being allowed to get on with their lives.

With due respect, Let me ask someting;

Why are you and Z Man trying to apply some wildly different concept onto a fairly uncontroversial statement by myself?

This is the context I meant:
If you lived or worked next to a pagan, for instance, would you let them go about their lives, or would you be affronted by what they are?

(feel free to answer)

This what I meant, nothing less nothing more.

Also:
One thing about me gentlemen, I call a spoon a spoon.
I don't go in for cryptics, I tell it like I see it. Straight talk.
If I wanted to add something about law inforcement into my statement I would have.

My statement had nothing to do with law, only we, as normal, law-abiding people.
It was yourselves that went off in a different direction with this social standards idea...

All the best,
Curt I think you aroused our curiosity.

We get the point about the level of your comment but now we are taking your reasoning a step further - after all, thats what forums are for! :D

So now we are moving past statements of general civility and prodding your thoughts about deeper topics. Fair enough?

[Curtsibling]

That is indeed fair.
Thank you, good Knight, :)

Excuse me if I came off as defensive there, I thought I was being misinterpreted.

Tell you what;
If ask me some questions, and I will do my best to answer and be informative. :D

[Z Man]

Ummmm.....do you have me on ignore or something? I have posted already, and you've yet to reply....

[Curtsibling]

Originally posted by Z Man
Ummmm.....do you have me on ignore or something? I have posted already, and you've yet to reply....

I don't insult people by using ignore.
I am man enough to face a post on a forum! :D

Read my answer to Knight, I think I made myself clear, Z Man. :thumb:

[Curtsibling]

Originally posted by Tye Porter
Curt:
Take it in two perspectives.
If I am the Christian I claim to be, Then I Love you.
If I love you, I do not want to see you lost.
It would be my goal to teach you the Truth of God.
If I were simply a man of my convictions, not theological,
then it would be imperative that i inflict their import upon you.
To simply leave you be, with your differing, and detrimental
philosophies, would make me a man, weak in my own
convictions, theological or not.

Am i way off, in answering your question, Curt?

You understood and answered it, Tye.

But are other, normal, everyday people really your problem?

What if they are satisfied with their beliefs, who makes you the judge?

Is it not that you seek power over these folk, to make yourself feel in some way superior to them?

I'm curious to this...

[Curtsibling]

Originally posted by Z Man
Curt, you said:

Do not the laws of society restrict people? There is only one way to live your life here on this Earth, and that's by the law. I can't be a murderer, or enjoy canabalism, or enjoy having sex with animals, or young boys, or girls, or enjoy a life of writing bad checks, or stealing, and so forth, because of the laws restrictions.

But you insist that we should live our lives the way we want to and let others live theirs. Do you not accept that other's have desires to live their life in a way that may be restricted by the law? And if not, who has that authority to declare them "criminals", or "not normal", because of their different taste in lifestyles?

You claim that Christians judge people, yet I believe we only uphold the Truth; the real Laws. People like you are the ones who really condemn and judge. For a person to live their lives and let be, they must adhere to your standards. For a person to live and let be in a Christians perspective, they must live in accordance to God's standards.

Forcing people to live to your standards is a little egotistical and judgemental, don't you think? You're such a hypocrite....


You are reading into in a totally incorrect viewpoint.

I won't even entertain this silliness you try and attribute to me, Z Man. I know your game.

I was speaking in terms of your next door neighbour or friends, not Charles Manson or Hitler.

Get with the programme, lad! :)

So answer my question, I'll issue a new 'easy to comprehend' version:

Do you think normal law-abiding people should be allowed to follow whatever way of life they wish to lead...?
Like Athiests, Pagans, Gnostics, Muslisms, Orthodox Jews, Hindus, Buddhists and all the others?

Or merely Mr Jones next door? Would you let him be?

Would you let your friends get on with their busy lives?

(can you understand this, Z Man?) :thumb:

(Tye, you have answered, but feel free to comment!) :cool:

[Curtsibling]

Originally posted by Tye Porter
Not at all.
For me to assume power over anyone, would be for me to assume
a type of dieistic complex.
I am but a creation, not a creator.
As we are all created, we must have faith in that Creator.
If a man is satisfied in his false beliefs, then he needs to be
made aware of his misunderstanding.
Fortunately, we are given the freedom to practice our faith,
and my faith is such, that i am impressed to spread that Good News
of my faith.
I cannot feel superior, or better than any one.
I am not better, just better off.
Not of my own accord, either.
I am not the Judge, our Creator is.
Again, if i left a man to be satisfied with his ill-gotten, and
detrimental false beliefs, what would be my conviction?

These people are only wrong through your eyes!
You are ready to put yourself of the throne of judgement, because this what you are doing!
You say this is through the creator, but you are speaking, not he.
So what do you do if they use the same mindset in regards to you, Tye?

Imagine an athiest man who for talkings sake, saved your family from drowing in a river, by risking his own life, is he a sinner and not worthy?

How would you deal with that?



Originally posted by Tye Porter
If i am satisfied in my belief, and mine is the correct one,
who are you to judge that i am wrong?
Who are you, to say to me, i am wrong, in showing you the truth?

I could say that same phrase to you, who is really wrong or right?

Originally posted by Tye Porter
Is my attempt, to show a man his shortcomings, in the eyes of
the Creator, in some way making him feel inferior, that he
wrongly feels that i am superior?

I depends on the way you phrase things, and your motivations?

Do you really care about these people you want to save?
Or have you been told to? Who is your leader?

What is in it for you, Tye? :confused:

[Z Man]

Originally posted by Curtsibling
I was speaking in terms of your next door neighbour or friends, not Charles Manson or Hitler.
What's the difference?
Do you think normal law-abiding people should be allowed to follow whatever way of life they wish to lead...?
Like Athiests, Pagans, Gnostics, Muslisms, Orthodox Jews, Hindus, Buddhists and all the others?

Or merely Mr Jones next door? Would you let him be?

Would you let your friends get on with their busy lives?
The problem is normal, law-abiding citizens still makes mistakes every now and then. Christians call this sin....

Therefore, everyone is guilty of it; no one is perfect. Not even me. My only intentions in speaking with others about Christ is to show them the only way to be saved before it's too late for them. It's an act of love; nothing more or less.

Why does it irritate you that Christians spread the good news of the gospel? What will hurt to tell people that Christ loves them so much that He died for them?

[Curtsibling]

Originally posted by Z Man
What's the difference?

Gosh!
What kind of neighbours do you have, Z Man? :noway:

Originally posted by Z Man The problem is normal, law-abiding citizens still makes mistakes every now and then. Christians call this sin....

Oh, come on, Z man!
There is a 'slight' difference between not returning a neighbour's shovel, and the calculated murder of 6.5 million Jews in Eastern Europe!

Originally posted by Z Man Therefore, everyone is guilty of it; no one is perfect. Not even me. My only intentions in speaking with others about Christ is to show them the only way to be saved before it's too late for them. It's an act of love; nothing more or less.

Everyone has flaws, yes, we can agree on that.
What is it you are trying to tell me here, Z Man?

Spit it out!

Originally posted by Z Man Why does it irritate you that Christians spread the good news of the gospel? What will hurt to tell people that Christ loves them so much that He died for them?

Whoa there!
Z Man, I fear you are seeing only what you want to see!
This claim is you made is false, now you are chasing phantoms.
This is evidence that you have had your ears closed during the whole debate! :noway:

Read this, my good Z Man! Perhaps you missed it the 200 previous times; ;)

Where did I say that your faith irritates me?
I said that I am not at odds with your views!
I have said this repeatedly!

Ho ho! Surely that hit home! :D

Now for your test! Tell me where I denied your right to recognise Christ in any of my posts to you?

I wouldn't presume such a thing!

This argument is pointless.
Can't you see we are not at odds?
I am not at odds with you, are you with me?
Surely not?

[Z Man]

Originally posted by Curtsibling
Oh, come on, Z man!
There is a 'slight' difference between not returning a neighbour's shovel, and the calculated murder of 6.5 million Jews in Eastern Europe!

Everyone has flaws, yes, we can agree on that.
What is it you are trying to tell me here, Z Man?

Spit it out!
Ok. Here you go;

You, nor I, nor anyone else on this planet is no better than Hitler.

(Does that hurt your pride? I'm expecting a barrage of egotistical remarks about how you live a "good life".... :rolleyes: )

[Curtsibling]

Originally posted by Z Man
Ok. Here you go;

You, nor I, nor anyone else on this planet is no better than Hitler.

(Does that hurt your pride? I'm expecting a barrage of egotistical remarks about how you live a "good life".... :rolleyes: )

Well, you can keep expecting.
Because I know your statement is loaded.

If you mean that Hitler was a mere human being, yes.
We are no better than each other.

But if you think Hitler's actions are as acceptable as a normal person, then you are a few Panzers short of a Blitzkrieg...

:kookoo: :D

[Curtsibling]

Originally posted by Tye Porter
I am using the word of the Creator.
The Creator judged us all, found us all guilty, and all living in sin.
He gave us an "out", with His Son.
My message to the other gentleman, who has not taken
advantage of this "out", is the word of the "Lord".
That word would "Judge" him, not me, directly.

Hmmm...
A bit of a 'capture clause'...
Don't you think this is a machination for earthly churches to make you follow them...?

"You are bad! Only WE can sve you?"

Who introduced you to God? Humans, right?
Someone taught you the ideal, right?

Why can't you reconcile god to yourself?
Why follow dubious authority from others?

And why must everyone be a sinner? (I have always contested this idea.)

If you are loyal to a good code of laws, like god's for talking sake, how can you go wrong?

A person like Mother Teresa is not a sinner, surely, spending her live to help others...

How can you judge her?
Have any of you done even a micro-fraction of her good work?

I'd be honoured to hear your reactions....:)

Originally posted by Tye Porter
If an atheist saved my family, from drowning?
You answered your own question.
He is an atheist, he is lost, unsaved, in denial.
Is he now judging me, because i am saved?
That atheist is still alive, because he feels that he
has a goal in life, and he does.
His goal is to learn about, stop denying, Jesus, and
become saved.
None of us are worthy, that is why we need salvation.


But you wouldn't be grateful?

Originally posted by Tye Porter
I want to have tons of friends, relatives, and friends,
in Heaven, loving the Lord, and celebrating our salvation.
That's what is in it for me.
What is it in for the people I want to save, is their
salvation.They want to be saved too, they just have yet to
admit it out loud.
The Lord tells us, in His Word, that He is right.
They are wrong.

How can you say they are wrong with such authority?
What if you are wrong?
Have you really thought about it?

Originally posted by Tye Porter
Why do you feel, that we should be left to our beliefs?
If, as you insist, you are not in oposition to the Christian Faith,
Then why would you leave an atheistic religionist,
or a hedonist, or any other lost soul, to be content in his
false beliefs?
How could you live with your convictions, your Faith,
your own heart? Do you not care for these people?
Would you rather your family, loved ones, friends, etc,
be lost and damned for eternity?
:curious:

You see, I do not think they will be damned, that is where we differ.

I don't think we even know what happens after death, we can only hope or guess.

If someone is righteous, be they a pagan, athiest, muslim or christian, I think they are doing the right thing.

I know non-christians who spend most of their lives helping others, and for me to reckon they are going to some sort of
hades for their helping of youngsters and the elderly is not feasible, to me at least.

Saying that good people are damned unless they join your version of faith, no matter what , to me that smacks of tribalism and self-exaltation.

Let me get this straight:


Case 1:
An athiest doctor who spends his life saving children with neuro-surgery,
bringing hope and joy to countless parents, when he dies he is going to hell?

Case 2:
Adolf Hitler, pagan nazi dictator and killer of countless millions, hater of christianity
and arch-warmonger, suddenly finds god before his death, and gets to heaven and salvation...?

Is this what you are trying to sell me?


Sorry, but I do not accept this, no way. :nono:

[Z Man]

Originally posted by Curtsibling
If you mean that Hitler was a mere human being, yes.
We are no better than each other.

But if you think Hitler's actions are as acceptable as a normal person, then you are a few Panzers short of a Blitzkrieg...

:kookoo: :D
All I'm saying is that you, nor I, nor anyone else is better than Hitler.

[Z Man]

Originally posted by Curtsibling
Let me get this straight:


Case 1:
An athiest doctor who spends his life saving children with neuro-surgery,
bringing hope and joy to countless parents, when he dies he is going to hell?

Case 2:
Adolf Hitler, pagan nazi dictator and killer of countless millions, hater of christianity
and arch-warmonger, suddenly finds god before his death, and gets to heaven and salvation...?

Is this what you are trying to sell me?


Sorry, but I do not accept this, no way. :nono:
No one is saying that Hitler was right; I'm merely trying to say that no one is right.

God can save anyone, no matter what they've done. That would include Hitler.

[Curtsibling]

Originally posted by Z Man
All I'm saying is that you, nor I, nor anyone else is better than Hitler.

I say that is complete claptrap. :nono:

So what have we done that is as bad as killing millions of people?

Hilter was a pagan nazi god-hater, so you want to be on that level?

[Curtsibling]

Originally posted by Z Man
No one is saying that Hitler was right; I'm merely trying to say that no one is right.

God can save anyone, no matter what they've done. That would include Hitler.

A 'god' would never come up with such an injust system.

Only we humans would.

This factor is our invention,
an invite-only club...Typically human. :rolleyes:

[Curtsibling]

Originally posted by Tye Porter
Case #1: If the doctor has not accepted Jesus as his Lord
and Saviour, then yes, he will go to hell. God tells us so.

Case #2: If Hitler did this, he would have been saved.

An exclusive club you have there.

I won't apologise, I see this as complete rubbish.

So all the millions of Jews, Russians, Europeans, Americans and British Hitler killed, are all worthless?

A hideous double standard that only we twisted humans could create.

'God' has little to do with this, methinks.
Only humans saying, "join my club or you will go to hades!"...

Originally posted by Tye Porter
Curt, I have no need to "SELL" this to you,
this is the Word of your/our Creator.
I am merely relaying the message to you.
It's not all about, "You were good, but you did not accept me,
so I am sending you to hell."
It is, "Accept my salvation, and have eternal life."
Even YOU, having lived the life you've been living,
can accept God, and be saved, enter Heaven.

Again, completely off the mark.
God does not have a club, that is invented by greedy people.

This is your way to categorize people, I would deem.

Originally posted by Tye Porter
You have no need to "Accept" what i am selling.
But you do have a need to accept what God has already told you.


I have no need to obey human orders, when it comes to my spiritual life. :kookoo:

[Z Man]

Originally posted by Curtsibling
So what have we done that is as bad as killing millions of people?
Hitler sinned just like you and I. Therefore, since we have broken God's law, we are just as guilty as Hitler. There are no degrees of sin; if you commit one, you're guilty. And the punishment is death.

But no one just commits one. Our whole lives revolve around sin. It's our very nature, and mankind has become corrupt. We all need salvation before it becomes to late...

[Curtsibling]

Well, I may as well cause a viral pandemic and kill humanity then, since stealing £1 is just as bad...

It is obvious we have irreconcilable differences of opinion on this.

Z Man and Tye,
I see your stance as hideously wrong.
And you see mine in the same light.

I deem that any further debate is pointless.

I already know right from wrong.
I suggest you go back to nursery school and relearn the concept.

And I must say you insult the brave war veterans and war dead of our nations with your prattle.

Let us move on from this debate, fellows.
It's not going to budge.

[Z Man]

Originally posted by Curtsibling
Let us move on from this debate, fellows.
It's not going to budge.
And this proves your stubborness.

It's not too late for you to receive salvation...

[Curtsibling]

Originally posted by Z Man
And this proves your stubborness.

It's not too late for you to receive salvation...

It proves you are on a different lane from me.

And kindly give the conversion tactics a rest, Z Man.

[Curtsibling]

Originally posted by Tye Porter
You mean, you won't budge.
We cannot, as we side with God, and to change our beliefs, would be to deny a truth we've already experienced.

I'm in the same boat, I believe my ideals too.

I am not going to change, so where do we go from there?

Nowhere.

I think you are wrong.
Case closed.

[Z Man]

Originally posted by Curtsibling
I think you are wrong.
Case closed.
I know you are wrong.
Case closed.

BTW, it's not to late for you to be saved Curt... ;)

[Curtsibling]

Originally posted by Z Man
I know you are wrong.
Case closed.

BTW, it's not to late for you to be saved Curt... ;)

And you too can save yourself, Z Man. :thumb:

[Z Man]

Originally posted by Curtsibling
And you too can save yourself, Z Man. :thumb:
Really? That's awesome!! That's great news!! :D

So great, like, how do I do that? Do you know of a way where I can pay the consequences of my past mistakes, and then make sure that I will not make one more in the future, as long as I live? Do tell me how I can make myself perfect.....

:rolleyes:

[Curtsibling]

It's easy, old boy.

Go and live your life properly, and help all those people that you can.

No one is perfect.
But being a decent human is possible.

[Z Man]

Originally posted by Curtsibling
No one is perfect.
And you proved my point. You can't save yourself...

[Curtsibling]

Reading with your eyes shut must be hard.

You were not making a point...You are merely keeping a long dead debate alive, Z!

It's obvious we have two different philosophies.

What are you going to do about that? :)

Let it go, top gun, just let it go.

You can never win.

[Z Man]

Originally posted by Curtsibling
You can never win.
I know...... But thank God I can through Jesus! ;)

[BillyBob]

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[Curtsibling]

Originally posted by Z Man
I know...... But thank God I can through Jesus! ;)

You really need a hobby. :cool:

[Z Man]

Why? What makes you say that? I have tons of hobbies already. I like flying, surfing the net, playing video games, studying theology, and on and on....

[Curtsibling]

Keeping long-dead debates alive is another you seem to enjoy, sir.

Let's move on...

New pastures, etc.

[Knight]

Originally posted by Curtsibling
Keeping long-dead debates alive is another you seem to enjoy, sir.

Let's move on...

New pastures, etc. Hey if ya cant beat 'em.... change the subject. :D

[Curtsibling]

Originally posted by Knight
Hey if ya cant beat 'em.... change the subject. :D

Hardly accurate.

Sir Knight...
I don't recall moving one inch from my stance.

Z man was reduced to all manner of silly tactics in his attempts to justify his reasoning.

I merely became bored with his lame broken-record routine.
He should have flung in the towel ages ago.

Have I backed down one bit?

Hmmm?

[Z Man]

Originally posted by Curtsibling
Z man was reduced to all manner of silly tactics in his attempts to justify his reasoning.
I've merely stated that you need to believe unto Jesus Christ for salvation. You may think it's silly, but when it's all over, you'll come to realize just how serious I really was....

But I hope you don't wait that long..... :(
He should have flung in the towel ages ago.
I did. And now I'm simply letting you know that when you surrender to Jesus and throw in your towel from your prideful, rebellious life, you will be more happier than you could ever imagine... :zman::up:

[Curtsibling]

Originally posted by Z Man
I've merely stated that you need to believe unto Jesus Christ for salvation. You may think it's silly, but when it's all over, you'll come to realize just how serious I really was....

What is good for you is not necessarily good for everyone, that was my point.

You are in no position to tell me what I need, sirrah.

Originally posted by Z Man
But I hope you don't wait that long..... :(

Well, thank you.

I wish you a long life too...Funny guy.

Originally posted by Z Man
I did. And now I'm simply letting you know that when you surrender to Jesus and throw in your towel from your prideful, rebellious life, you will be more happier than you could ever imagine... :zman::up:

Again, you think you have a mandate to judge my life.
Would you like me to judge you?

Your life is not perfect, your ideals are not perfect.
If they were, you would not seek to spread your ideals, or judge people.

You have nothing over me, and that is what makes you irritated.
It is you, little man, who needs to learn the true meaning of what JC was about.

Right now you seem like a desperate salesman.

Give it up.

[Z Man]

Originally posted by Curtsibling
What is good for you is not necessarily good for everyone, that was my point.
What is good for me is more than good for the whole world. God is that powerful...
You are in no position to tell me what I need, sirrah.
I'm simply stating the facts. You said it yourself, "No one is perfect". Therefor, my friend, everyone is in desperate need of a savior. But I'm not talking with everyone here; it's just you and me...

:neck: *whistles western tune as tumbleweeds blow across the dirt*
Again, you think you have a mandate to judge my life.
Would you like me to judge you?

Your life is not perfect, your ideals are not perfect.
If they were, you would not seek to spread your ideals, or judge people.
I know... I'm horrible. That's why I must trust in Jesus Christ, who amazingly has paid my debt. All I have to do is believe!

And so, my friend, must you. No other name is there other than Jesus in which man can be saved.
You have nothing over me, and that is what makes you irritated.
I'm not irritated buddy. :)
It is you, little man, who needs to learn the true meaning of what JC was about.
As I recall, I don't believe Jesus stated we could save ourselves. In fact, I remember quit right that He said that He came to save that which was lost. That God so loved the world that whosoever believes shall be saved. Will you believe today?
Right now you seem like a desperate salesman.
I prefer to be called a desperate friend. One who does not wish to see a fellow man suffer for his sins when all you have to do is believe and be saved...

Will you believe in your heart and confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord today? Now is the time for salvation....

[Curtsibling]

Originally posted by Z Man
What is good for me is more than good for the whole world. God is that powerful...

A worrying megalomania you have there.

Originally posted by Z Man
I'm simply stating the facts. You said it yourself, "No one is perfect". Therefor, my friend, everyone is in desperate need of a savior. But I'm not talking with everyone here; it's just you and me...

Wrong.

Who are you to state 'everyone needs' anything...?

Go on, who are you?

Originally posted by Z Man
*whistles western tune as tumbleweeds blow across the dirt*

Er...OK.

Cut down on the sugar-filled sodas.

Originally posted by Z Man
I know... I'm horrible. That's why I must trust in Jesus Christ, who amazingly has paid my debt. All I have to do is believe!

You are not horrible, just horribly off the mark.

Originally posted by Z Man
And so, my friend, must you. No other name is there other than Jesus in which man can be saved.

More megalomania.

You have no power to tell me what is my fate, little man.

Originally posted by Z Man
I'm not irritated buddy. :)

You are not my 'buddy', you have made that much clear.

Originally posted by Z Man
As I recall, I don't believe Jesus stated we could save ourselves. In fact, I remember quit right that He said that He came to save that which was lost. That God so loved the world that whosoever believes shall be saved.

I reckon Jesus would chastise you like the spoilt brat you are.

Originally posted by Z Man
Will you believe today?

Will you accept you have lost this battle?

Originally posted by Z Man
I prefer to be called a desperate friend. One who does not wish to see a fellow man suffer for his sins when all you have to do is believe and be saved...

You are not my friend, you have huge distaste for my continued levity.

I can read you like a book, your desire to dominate is almost tangible, your displeasure and anger most amsuing.

You have nothing for me, and you cannot beat me.

Best to pack up and leave, Mr salesman.

A few glances at a few of your venom-filled posts to me will show your true colours, my so-called 'friend'.


Originally posted by Z Man
Will you believe in your heart and confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord today? Now is the time for salvation....

Go down on your knees and proclaim yourself the loser of this debate, little man.

Truly, your ambitions are an affront to decent religious thought.

[Curtsibling]

I claim victory.

Bail out, Z Man, your creaking aircraft has taken critical damage.

Happy landings, Top Gun. :D

[Sozo]

Originally posted by Curtsibling to Z Man

Go down on your knees and proclaim yourself the loser of this debate, little man.


Just a thought Curt... are you gay by chance?

[Curtsibling]

Originally posted by Sozo
Just a thought Curt... are you gay by chance?

Good golly!

You know what, Sozo?
I am beginning to think you are obsessed with gays.

Of course I'm not, you silly man.

Because I live in the real world and don't wish them death, I must be one of them?

Sozo, that is ridiculous thinking.

Perhaps you are gay?

[Sozo]

Originally posted by Curtsibling

You know what, Sozo?
I am beginning to think you are obsessed with gays.


No, I would just like to see fewer of them, and those who defend them, from making ignorant posts at this forum.

[Z Man]

Originally posted by Curtsibling
Who are you to state 'everyone needs' anything...?

Go on, who are you?
Dude, wake up and smell the coffee. I'm living in reality here, not some made up dreamworld, where everyone lives perfect lives and are able to save themselves. Get over your prideful ego and give in to Jesus.

YOU NEED SALVATION CURTSIBLING!!!!
Will you accept you have lost this battle?

You have nothing for me, and you cannot beat me.

Go down on your knees and proclaim yourself the loser of this debate, little man.

I claim victory.

Chill out man. This isn't a battle. No one is claiming or competing anything. I'm simply sharing the good news of Jesus Christ with you. God has loved you so much that He has died for your sins and if you will only believe, you will be saved! That's great and wonderful news my friend!

God bless!

[Curtsibling]

Originally posted by Sozo
No, I would just like to see fewer of them, and those who defend them, from making ignorant posts at this forum.

Is that directed at me, Sozo?

So, being indifferent is defendning?

You are hereby written off as a cretin.

[Curtsibling]

Originally posted by Z Man
Dude, wake up and smell the coffee. I'm living in reality here, not some made up dreamworld, where everyone lives perfect lives and are able to save themselves.

Answer my question, Mr Evasive.
Just who do you think you are to act like this?

Originally posted by Z Man Get over your prideful ego and give in to Jesus.

I suggest you 'get over' your megalomania.
Then you will see how foolish you are acting.

I think you are using the name Jesus as a metaphor for yourself.

Originally posted by Z Man
YOU NEED SALVATION CURTSIBLING!!!!

You need medication, Z MAN!!!

Originally posted by Z Man
Chill out man. This isn't a battle. No one is claiming or competing anything.

You could have fooled me, my little salesman.

Originally posted by Z Man I'm simply sharing the good news of Jesus Christ with you.

Thanks.
Let me share my good news.

You are bananas.

Originally posted by Z Man God has loved you so much that He has died for your sins and if you will only believe, you will be saved!

God died?

Getting a bit sloppy in our fervour are we not, Z Man?

Originally posted by Z Man That's great and wonderful news my friend!

No news is good news.

Originally posted by Z Man God bless!

I can't stand you too! :D

(I merely have the guts to say it)

[Curtsibling]

Z Man.

This latest episode of salesmanship makes you look really cheap.

I don't want/need your help. Frankly, because you are just some weird person on a forum.

Why the heck should I give flying damn what you think?
For ages I considered this debate to be dead as a dodo.

Now I am treating it as the comedy show it is.

I eagerly await you next attempt.

[Sozo]

Originally posted by Curtsibling
So, being indifferent is defendning?


You are not "indifferent". You have judged them as always being a well mannered people. That sounds like an endorsement.You are hereby written off as a cretin. You are written off as a God hating liberal.

[Z Man]

Originally posted by Curtsibling
Answer my question, Mr Evasive.
Just who do you think you are to act like this?
Act like what? I've merely informed you of the good news of Christ. God loves you! Why do you get so angry when I say that to you?
I suggest you 'get over' your megalomania.
Then you will see how foolish you are acting.

You need medication, Z MAN!!!

Thanks.
Let me share my good news.

You are bananas.
Oh, so now you've stooped to name calling... But I thought you said earlier that you did not mind others who believed differently from you? It seems to me you are pretty much intollerant of Christians....
God died?

Getting a bit sloppy in our fervour are we not, Z Man?
What do you care? You can save yourself, remember?
No news is good news.
You must be one lonely bitter man.... That's really sad... :(
I can't stand you too! :D

(I merely have the guts to say it)
Well that's nice. I really don't care if you like me or not. I just want you to know that Jesus loves you!

God bless!

[shilohproject]

Originally posted by Z Man
God has loved you so much that He has died for your sins and if you will only believe, you will be saved!I would have stated this exactly this way.:cool:

[Curtsibling]

Originally posted by Sozo
You are not "indifferent". You have judged them as always being a well mannered people. That sounds like an endorsement.

What a fool.

I was talking about the individuals I have met, not all of them!

Do you lack the basic intelligence to read plain English, you blinkered half-wit?

Obviously yes.

Originally posted by Sozo
You are written off as a God hating liberal.

An insult from an uneducated oaf like you has no meaning.

[Curtsibling]

Originally posted by Z Man
Act like what? I've merely informed you of the good news of Christ. God loves you! Why do you get so angry when I say that to you?

Too cowardly to answer my question?

Z Man, you are an amateur!

You hurl your venom and arrogance,
then when challenged, you assume the 'forgiving' and 'wounded' victim.

This is an old tactic...And hardly effective.

If you were not trying to insult my intelligence, you would not be at the receiving end of my displeasure.

I have no quarrel with your faith, only your patronising words.

I understand you, message acknowledged! Now drop it!

Originally posted by Z Man Oh, so now you've stooped to name calling... But I thought you said earlier that you did not mind others who believed differently from you? It seems to me you are pretty much intollerant of Christians....

In your twisted view, perhaps.
You are the one doing a snake oil salesman act.

And too scared of the truth to answer a basic question about your beliefs.

Originally posted by Z Man What do you care? You can save yourself, remember?

As can you.

Fear is what you are filled with.

Originally posted by Z Man You must be one lonely bitter man.... That's really sad... :(

Because I won't bow to your ideas?

Nice try, salesman, but you are way off.

My life is good.

Jealous?

Originally posted by Z Man Well that's nice. I really don't care if you like me or not. I just want you to know that Jesus loves you!

I hope he has some love for you, who makes his name look bad.

Approving of Hitler and casting judgements left and right, not good.

Are you sure you follow Jesus Christ?

I think you are a fake.

Originally posted by Z Man God bless!

I don't think you know him at all.

:nono:

[Z Man]

:crackup: LOL!!!

Curt,

I am at words to why you are so angry! It's really funny to me to see you furious at me for doing nothing more but inform you of the Gospel of Jesus Christ! You go on and on about me insulting your intelligence and being an amature by using the old wonded victim trick. But all I've simply done is tell you God loves you! LOL! You seemed freaked out about something, as if there is some sort of conspiracy against you! LOL!

God bless!

[Curtsibling]

Originally posted by Z Man
:crackup: LOL!!!

Curt,

I am at words to why you are so angry! It's really funny to me to see you furious at me for doing nothing more but inform you of the Gospel of Jesus Christ! You go on and on about me insulting your intelligence and being an amature by using the old wonded victim trick. But all I've simply done is tell you God loves you! LOL! You seemed freaked out about something, as if there is some sort of conspiracy against you! LOL!

God bless!

Angry?

You have it all wrong, Z Man!

I am choking with laughter! :)

If you go back a few posts you are the one whose anger was tangible.
Now you pretend you are in control of the situation, you seem a mildly childish individual.

You refuse to accept a simple question, and keep avoiding what I say to you...

All signs of a false christian. Are you one?

Your comments about religion do not any way offend me, why would they? They come from a person I think is a fake.

So, let's see what we have learned from this discussion, shall we?
And I want you to read this part.

You have began with a criticism of something I said earlier in this thread, long ago.
Then you upgraded onto making much ado about trivial comments I made.
After becoming abusive, you seek now to convert me...

All the while I have tolerated and humoured you, making it clear that while I was not religious, I am in no way against that faith.
You seem to take advantage of my generosity of spirit.

Now is there anything else for us to say?

You mentioned your religious view countless times.
While I humoured you, now what?

I am never going to back down, and I certainly don't need any advice from you, with all due respect.

You are free to go off and enjoy your 'good news', I have listened to you, and it has reinforced my belief that I am right!

Well?

Have you ran out of steam yet?

:jump:

[Z Man]

Originally posted by Curtsibling
Angry?

You have it all wrong, Z Man!

I am choking with laughter! :)
Uh huh...sure you are... ;)

( :chuckle: )

It's okay Curt, really. I'm not angry with you or anything, and I forgive you for being mad at me. Jesus loves you!

God bless. :thumb:

[Curtsibling]

Z Man,
You would have to kill my dog or something to make me angry.

I have pity for you, not anything else. :)

Even though you tried hard to provoke, I wouldn't dislike a guy I'll never meet.

Tell you what...Let's terminate this pointless tete-a-tete,
and you come over to chit-chat forum and take part in my question thread!

How does that sound?
You need a change of scenery! :D

[Z Man]

Originally posted by Curtsibling
Z Man,
You would have to kill my dog or something to make me angry.
I've done better; I've hurt your pride.... :thumb:

God bless!

[Curtsibling]

Originally posted by Z Man
I've done better; I've hurt your pride.... :thumb:

God bless!

LMAO!

I'm a Scotsman...You cannot dent my pride. :nono:

Now stop being a baby and come answer my questionnaire!

[Z Man]

Originally posted by Curtsibling
I'm a Scotsman...You cannot dent my pride. :nono:
Good. Then you shouldn't get angry when I tell you

YOU NEED SALVATION!!!
Now stop being a baby and come answer my questionnaire!
Baby? As I recall, the only one crying around here is you.

Curt: I don't need Jesus for my salvation. I can save myself. Stop telling me so.

:baby:

God bless! :thumb:

[Curtsibling]

You have delvovled into nursery-school copycat tactics.

Z-Man, if you represent the intellectual benefits of this 'salvation'...You can keep it!

I prefer my mind the way it is!

[Curtsibling]

Originally posted by Z Man
Good. Then you shouldn't get angry when I tell you
YOU NEED SALVATION!!!


You shouldn't mind when I tell you:
Stop trying to peddle your religion! :jump:

[philosophizer]

Originally posted by Curtsibling
You shouldn't mind when I tell you:
Stop trying to peddle your religion! :jump:

Why, are you offended?

[LightSon]

Originally posted by Zakath on 05-07-2003 @11:35 AM
:bannana:

At this precise juncture in time, atheists make up 1/3rd of the respondents to Knight's poll.

:up:

While at this precise juncture in time, atheists make up 5% of the respondents to Knight's poll. And that doesn't even account for Zakath's tacit departure.

Oh Zakath! Where are you? I hope you aren't hurt, but if you decided to accept Christ, please come and share. We'll share a toast or something. :bannana:

[Curtsibling]

Originally posted by philosophizer
Why, are you offended?

At the religion? Of course not!

At Z Man's Impetuousness? Yes!

[Curtsibling]

If people here are not willing to tolerate other points of view, then why are you letting people join?

Why not make this an exclusive club?

[philosophizer]

Originally posted by Curtsibling
At the religion? Of course not!

At Z Man's Impetuousness? Yes!

Oh. So when you said:Stop trying to peddle your religion!that was only directed at Zman? Anyone else can peddle religion, only Zman can't?

[Z Man]

Originally posted by Curtsibling
You have delvovled into nursery-school copycat tactics.

Z-Man, if you represent the intellectual benefits of this 'salvation'...You can keep it!

I prefer my mind the way it is!

You shouldn't mind when I tell you:
Stop trying to peddle your religion!

At the religion? Of course not!

At Z Man's Impetuousness? Yes!
Dude, don't go tearing up on me... Do you need some tissue? :chuckle:

BTW, Jesus loves you! REPENT AND BE SAVED!!!!!

God bless! :thumb:

[Z Man]

Originally posted by philosophizer
Oh. So when you said:that was only directed at Zman? Anyone else can peddle religion, only Zman can't?
Yeah, no kidding. Curt plays an innocent person who pretends to like everyone and is tolerant of their beliefs in an attempt to make Christians look like haters. This conspicious innocent behavior just reveals the kind of emotions Curt really has towards me and others who believe;

He hates Christians.

[add yasaf]

I consider myself a Council of Orange AD 529 Christian.

[Curtsibling]

Z Man, you speak wrong of me, in my absence.

Not very brave, sir.

If you have the courage:
Come to this forum and I will continue this discussion for as long as you so wish.

It's not IH.com, it's my usual forum, Civ Fanatics.

It's modded, with no swearing, nude images or any crap.

It's my territory.

Come in and see me, if you have the moral fibre to do so.

An open invitation! (http://forums.civfanatics.com/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=18)

See you!

[Z Man]

I'd rather not. I have nothing to prove. Besides, what's wrong with this site? Can't take the heat here? Kind of hard to get your way when there are a bunch of God-fearing and praising Christians running around, huh? ;)

You should just go back to your little territory, or what have you, because you're way outnumbered here.

THIS IS GOD'S TERRITORY!

If you'd like, you can be part of the team. Just repent and believe in Jesus today, and you shall be saved!

God bless! :thumb:

[Curtsibling]

On the contrary, there are Christians aplenty on Civ-Fanatics.

Actually, I expected you to chicken out.
You fear I will prove you wrong, as I have certainly done here.

Enjoy living with your doubt!

Goodbye!

[Curtsibling]

Come and look me up if you ever feel like a chat, Z Man.

You are not a bad fellow, just a bit deaf.

I hold you no malice.

May you find inner peace.

[Z Man]

Originally posted by Curtsibling
On the contrary, there are Christians aplenty on Civ-Fanatics.
I never said there weren't. I just simply implied that I'm happy where I'm at.
Actually, I expected you to chicken out.
You fear I will prove you wrong, as I have certainly done here.
Ooooh.....Curt thinks I'm a chicken. I better join his site and prove him wrong, or everyone will think poorly of me... :rolleyes:

Now that's classic amature behavior! :thumb:

God bless!

[Frank Ernest]

Since I'm neither Catholic nor Protestant, I had to pick "other."

Hard-core Christian and Scripture student.

[BillyBob]

There sure are a lot of stinking Catholics!


:D

[koban]

The great unwashed masses! :freak:

[Evee]

I fall into that first catagory...funny though...I hate being catagorized...it doesn't leave much room to move around...
Yep don't like those little tight boxes.
I go to Church of God I am not a member though.

[firechyld]

I clicked "agnostic" because it was the closest, but I would have preferred "other".

[Real Sorceror]

Oh nutters! I'm vastly outnumbered! :shocked:

[allsmiles]

Oh nutters! I'm vastly outnumbered! :shocked:

I've got your back bro :cool:

[Real Sorceror]

I've got your back bro :cool:
:chuckle:
[LITTLE KID VOICE] Gosh, thanks for saving me Scary Pagan Man![/LITTLE KID VOICE]

[Turbo]

I consider myself a....
...reasonable merman. I set certain rules, and I expect those rules to be obeyed!

[Dread Helm]

I consider myself a.... Dreaded Ninja/Pirate/Warrior/insert-your-worst-nightmare-here. That's me.

[Real Sorceror]

I consider myself a.... Dreaded Ninja/Pirate/Warrior/insert-your-worst-nightmare-here. That's me.
Ha! Your no mach for my unstoppable Sorceror/Warlock/Pyromancer/anti-your-worst-nightmare magic! :p

[Dread Helm]

Ha! Your no mach for my unstoppable Sorceror/Warlock/Pyromancer/anti-your-worst-nightmare magic! :pGood thing I know how to counter magic. ;)

[Real Sorceror]

Good thing I know how to counter magic. ;)
Oh.........bugger.........

[Nick M]

Christian. There is no denomination.

[Morphy]

There are pagans, atheists, agnostics but no Muslims... Shouldn't we be more careful? Maybe they are plotting something? :cool:

[Redfin]

I guess that Christian Universalist is -

1. not an oxymoron, and

2. Christian (other).

:think:

[Redfin]

Don't tell me... my last post :readthis: turned this into a Universalism thread, so everyone left.