Battle Royale VII is coming....

[Knight]

Buckle your seat belts and prepare yourself for the battle of the century! Battle Royale VII is coming and you will not want to miss it. Battle Royale VII will feature nationally known radio talk show host and author Bob Enyart of "Bob Enyart Live" vs. Zakath, TheologyOnLine's resident atheist.

Does God exist? Well does He? That is what will be debated in this battle of epic proportions, as Christianity faces off against atheism head to head! Battle Royale VII is scheduled to start June 16th (the day after Father's day), so mark your calendars and set your alarm clocks because this is going to be a Battle you will NOT want to miss!

[CoCrucified]

I can hardly wait!
:D

[NoLies]

Awesome:cheers:

[Yorzhik]

After the drubbing you gave him Knight?

[ibowatjesusfeet]

This should be a very good one.

[One Eyed Jack]

I can't wait to see this.

[ebenz47037]

This should be a blast!

[ibowatjesusfeet]

I wonder if Zakath is training?

[Knight]

Originally posted by NoLies
Awesome:cheers: We agree! :D

[ebenz47037]

Originally posted by ibowatjesusfeet
I wonder if Zakath is training?

:mrt: :eek: :bannana:

[CoCrucified]

Originally posted by ibowatjesusfeet
I wonder if Zakath is training?

Maybe Zakath can come up with something good. Like find the infinite number of missing links!
:D

[Zakath]

Originally posted by ibowatjesusfeet
I wonder if Zakath is training?

:yesyes: Yep!

As with any debate with a deist, Zakath is practicing

:jump: keeping up while his opponent jumps to conclusions

:juggle: juggling contradictions

:devil: preparing to be called a "tool of the devil"

:Popup: following his opponent as he pops from one topic to another

:vomit: avoiding regurgitating the "same old arguments"

Dr. Z has a very busy training schedule. :D

See you all on the 16th! :thumb:

[Freak]

Originally posted by Zakath

See you all on the 16th! :thumb:

I sure hope you come back. ;)

I really don't know much about Bob and his ability to debate but I believe he will come out on top as atheism has no logical stance to stand on.

Zakath, were you aware of the new rules to the Battle Royale? Are you sure you want to do this????

:shut:

[Knight]

Originally posted by Zakath
:yesyes: Yep!

As with any debate with a deist, Zakath is practicing

:jump: keeping up while his opponent jumps to conclusions

:juggle: juggling contradictions

:devil: preparing to be called a "tool of the devil"

:Popup: following his opponent as he pops from one topic to another

:vomit: avoiding regurgitating the "same old arguments"

Dr. Z has a very busy training schedule. :D

See you all on the 16th! :thumb: Hey... that was clever!

[Knight]

Oh and Zakath did you get my PM about a mini bio?

[Godless_One]

I've been looking forward to something like this :D

[Knight]

Originally posted by Godless_One
I've been looking forward to something like this :D As have we!

[Zakath]

Knight, I'll PM you the bio blurb this evening.

[Knight]

Originally posted by Zakath
Knight, I'll PM you the bio blurb this evening. Cool....

...did you see the banner?

[Zakath]

Now THAT'S pretty slick! :D

:cheers:

[CoCrucified]

Originally posted by Knight
Cool....

...did you see the banner?

Shouldn't the Zakath banner have the little clown smiley on it???
:zakath: :zakath: :zakath: :zakath: :zakath: :zakath:

[Knight]

Originally posted by CoCrucified
Shouldn't the Zakath banner have the little clown smiley on it???
:zakath: :zakath: :zakath: :zakath: :zakath: :zakath: LOL... :think:

[Crow]

Boy, this is going to be a tough one to wait for! :D

[One Eyed Jack]

Originally posted by Crow
Boy, this is going to be a tough one to wait for! :D

Yeah. You might want to make yourself scarce by the time it's over, lest someone try to eat you... ;)

[Crow]

Originally posted by One Eyed Jack
Yeah. You might want to make yourself scarce by the time it's over, lest someone try to eat you... ;)

Yikes--maybe I'll just cook up a humble pie as a substitute! :cheers:

:devil: :devil: :devil: :devil: :devil: :devil: :devil:


"HUMBLE PIE "
A 17th century English dish, in which the heart, liver, kidney and other innards of a deer were combined with apples, currants, sugar and spices and baked as a pie. The servants ate this inexpensive but filling repast while the gentry dined on the VENISON. The name comes from the old-English word numble , meaning a deer's innards. "A numble pie" became "an umble pie," which eventually worked it's way to "a humble pie."

[Zakath]

Now that's interesting... :vomit:

[One Eyed Jack]

Originally posted by Crow
"HUMBLE PIE "
A 17th century English dish, in which the heart, liver, kidney and other innards of a deer were combined with apples, currants, sugar and spices and baked as a pie. The servants ate this inexpensive but filling repast while the gentry dined on the VENISON. The name comes from the old-English word numble , meaning a deer's innards. "A numble pie" became "an umble pie," which eventually worked it's way to "a humble pie."

Another culinary delight from the land that brought us black pudding and haggis...

[Lion]

Zakath-Your training program had me rolling on the floor!:chuckle:

I'll be watching this battle closely!:radar:

[Prisca]

Zakath, let me know if you'll be needing any medical attention. :)

[Freak]

Originally posted by Becky
Zakath, let me know if you'll be needing any medical attention. :) :chuckle:

[Zakath]

It's nice to hear from everyone. I'd like to thank Nurse Becky for her kind offer of medical assistance.

I'm looking forward to finally finishing a line of questioning I started with Bob more than two years ago... :think:

[Freak]

Originally posted by Zakath
It's nice to hear from everyone. I'd like to thank Nurse Becky for her kind offer of medical assistance.

I'm looking forward to finally finishing a line of questioning I started with Bob more than two years ago... :think:

I vaguely remember....

[Zakath]

Originally posted by Freak
I vaguely remember....

Do that a lot, do you? :chuckle:

[Knight]

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[CoCrucified]

Originally posted by Knight
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Remember the old Wendy's commercial, "Where's the beef!"?

Where's the "Zakath clown?" :chuckle: :ha:
This shirt needs a clown on it!

:zakath: :zakath: :zakath: :zakath: :zakath:
:zakath: :zakath: :zakath: :zakath: :zakath:

[Zakath]

I don't think so... :think:

[Lord Vader]

A couple of problems with this debate and some suggestions.

1) The question is loaded. "Does God exist"? It should be, "Does a God exist".

2) It doesn't matter how soundly you crush Enyarts arguments, he and his will celebrate victory. If you said, "the sky is blue" and Enyart said, "what about all these websites and scholars of old who say the sky is made of cheese" and you said, "that's silly", Enyart will come away from it declaring victory -- and the look in his eye will say that he really genuinely believes it. So I don't know what use it is to have a discussion with him.

Suggestions: Keep it simple. Religiosos will use long windend statements to their advantage -- they look for the weakest part of the statement and latch on to it or they use some part of it as a way to digress. Keep it simple and there won't be any snags hanging out for them to grab onto and slip out from under your point.

Predictions: This will be an episode of dueling website references becuase neither party is a professional historian or scientist and so neither can be expected to have facts at their mental finger tips. So if you ask simply, "how do you know there is a God?" it's easy enough to say, "why, all of the evidence" and then naturally you will ask, "what evidence" and that's when all the websites will be whipped out, the references to books written by non-historians and by religiosos referencing other people who referenced somebody else who referenced someone else until we get to the original source who turns out to be a homeless guy shouting incoherently on the corner (at least Rush Limbaugh is infamous for this kind of phenomenon). So what's the point? About all you can do is say, "I won't bother with whether or not I trust your facts, I will assume they are facts, tell me the facts you have that tell you Jehovah is real". Then all you can say is one of two things, "those facts are persuasive" or "those facts (assuming they are facts) aren't persuasive to me". And that's about as much as you can hope and pray to get from a debate like this.

A note to Zakath: In the game of dueling websites, you might enjoy endorsing this gem. For some reason I've never heard anyone mention it but it really is one of the best websites out there. I found it back in 1996 when I was a toddler. :) It is

http://answers.org/newlook/

It is an online book. Very nice and comprehensive.

[Zakath]

We'll see...

Enyart is allegedly a believer in the efficacy of the TAG (Transcendental Argument for the existence of God) stype of apologetics, based on some of his published materials and the arguments presented by his followers here on TOL. While TAG has been thoroughly drubbed in philosophical circles, it usually fails to be effective in non-philosophical arguments as well because it begs too many questions. It will be interesting to see what he trots out here...

Following the KISS rule is essential for this format and I will endeavor to do so.

Regarding the question, as a minister of an allegedly Christian church (though there are some posters here who would claim that he is outside orthodoxy), I am making the assumption that "God" for him is the biblical entity YHWH. But perhaps we'd be best to clarify that...

Thanks for the link BTW. :)

[Zakath]

Knight,

Is the "God" in our debate question the biblical deity or not? Perhaps getting Bob to define "God" would speed things up...

[Knight]

Originally posted by Zakath
Knight,

Is the "God" in our debate question the biblical deity or not? Perhaps getting Bob to define "God" would speed things up... Zakath.. your an atheist. Remember? :zakath: ;)

Therefore...

If God exists (any god)..... your atheism is in error.

[RogerB]

use long windend statements to their advantage -- look for the weakest part of the statement and latch on to it

Zakath has mastered this trick.

[CoCrucified]

Originally posted by Zakath
I don't think so... :think:

Aw, come on Zak. You know you love the clown! :chuckle:

Not everyone has a smiley named after them!!!

:zakath: :zakath: :zakath: :zakath: :zakath: :zakath:
:zakath: :zakath: :zakath: :zakath: :zakath: :zakath:
:zakath: :zakath: :zakath: :zakath: :zakath: :zakath:

[Zakath]

Originally posted by CoCrucified
Not everyone has a smiley named after them!!!


True enough. Only Jay Bartlett (aka Freak) and I share that dubious honor. :)

[Zakath]

Originally posted by Knight
Zakath.. your an atheist. Remember? :zakath: ;)

Therefore...

If God exists (any god)..... your atheism is in error.

So if I prove Bob wrong by demonstrating that his deity doesn't exist but that some other deity does...

[Knight]

Originally posted by Zakath
So if I prove Bob wrong by demonstrating that his deity doesn't exist but that some other deity does... Uh... OK. :kookoo:

[Zakath]

Just yankin' your chain(mail) a bit, Knight! ;)

[Freak]

Originally posted by Lord Vader
And that's about as much as you can hope and pray to get from a debate like this.


Interesting comment from an atheist.

"And that's about as much as you can hope and pray to get from a debate like this. "

Pray?
:think:

[Zakath]

It's a common enough figure of speech in American society, Jay. Perhaps he's been brainwashed into using the word... ;)

[Freak]

Originally posted by Zakath
It's a common enough figure of speech in American society, Jay. Perhaps he's been brainwashed into using the word... ;)

Do you use it?

[Zakath]

Sometimes, but not as you would. :)

In addition to its religious significance the word "pray" also means to entreat or to ask. This usage is a bit archaic, but sometimes appropriate to some situations; as in "pray, tell me how this is accomplished."

[Knight]

Originally posted by Zakath
Just yankin' your chain(mail) a bit, Knight! ;) LOL... :D

[Lord Vader]

Originally posted by Zakath
It's a common enough figure of speech in American society, Jay. Perhaps he's been brainwashed into using the word... ;)


Hee hee! I actually put that in as an after thought (after having written the sentence without it) just to see the reaction. I didn't feel a lot like there would be one!

Imagine someone digging this up 200 years from now and using it to declare that I was indeed a "believer". Wouldn't that be dumb!

[Zakath]

Originally posted by Lord Vader
Hee hee! I actually put that in as an after thought (after having written the sentence without it) just to see the reaction. I didn't feel a lot like there would be one! You kidder, you! :chuckle:

Imagine someone digging this up 200 years from now and using it to declare that I was indeed a "believer". Wouldn't that be dumb! I sometimes wonder how much "evidence" is misinterpreted by those who wish to believe...

[Freak]

Originally posted by Lord Vader
I am dumb!

Yes, you are. Don't get bent out of shape.......it's a joke :chuckle:

[Zakath]

Originally posted by Knight
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How come that Enyart character gets top billing. He's not even a regular poster here ! :ha:

[Knight]

Originally posted by Zakath
How come that Enyart character gets top billing. He's not even a regular poster here ! :ha: Well lets see maybe I put his name on top and yours underneath symbolically as some type of "eternal" statement. ;)

Hey... but I did give your name ALL CAPS!!!

[PaladInChrist]

In addition to its religious significance the word "pray" also means to entreat or to ask. This usage is a bit archaic, but sometimes appropriate to some situations; as in "pray, tell me how this is accomplished."


Yep, prayer doesnt mean worship, it means communication.

[Zakath]

Originally posted by Knight
Well lets see maybe I put his name on top and yours underneath symbolically as some type of "eternal" statement. ;)

Hey... but I did give your name ALL CAPS!!!

How about that. I guess in the parlance of the Internet, that's a bit like SHOUTING IT FROM THE ROOFTOPS! :bannana:

[Knight]

Originally posted by Zakath
How about that. I guess in the parlance of the Internet, that's a bit like SHOUTING IT FROM THE ROOFTOPS! :bannana: There ya go.. :thumb:

[Lord Vader]

Originally posted by Freak
Yes, you are. Don't get bent out of shape.......it's a joke :chuckle:


Uh, what? LOl! Just think, you're, uh, *reply*, is sitting here on the internet 24/7 making you look like a dork. Does't it burn you up? :bannana:

[Zakath]

Perhaps he's habituated to such a high degree of "looking like a dork" by his other posts that he doesn't even notice... :chuckle:

[Lord Vader]

Originally posted by Zakath
Perhaps he's habituated to such a high degree of "looking like a dork" by his other posts that he doesn't even notice... :chuckle:

Well, something. It was just oddly incoherent, like he had some sort of seizure just before replying and his fingers just started typing half consciously. That's the only thing I can figure.

[Freak]

Originally posted by Lord Vader
I am incoherent, I had some sort of seizure just before replying and my fingers just started typing half consciously. That's the only thing I can figure.

You are one strange atheist. :chuckle:

[Zakath]

And "your" a product of American public education? :rolleyes:

[Freak]

Originally posted by Zakath
And "your" a product of American public education? :rolleyes:

I assume you are too? That's the best you can do? What a sore loser.

Originally posted by Zakath from post #31
It's nice to hear from everyone. I'd like to thank Nurse Becky for her kind offer of medical assistance.



Do you always captalize Nurse? :chuckle:

And this guy claims to have a doctorate.....what a joke.

[Zakath]

Originally posted by Freak
Do you always captalize Nurse? :chuckle: Only when it's someone's title. Like President Bush or Pastor Zakath.

[CoCrucified]

Originally posted by Zakath
Only when it's someone's title. Like President Bush or Pastor Zakath.

Since Zakath isn't a pastor anymore, do we still have to capitalize pastor? :confused:

I thought if someone is an athiest, we don't have to capitalize anything associated with them? :ha: :chuckle:

I r a prauduck uv that thar publek s'cool sistem! :dunce:

[Zakath]

Originally posted by CoCrucified
Since Zakath isn't a pastor anymore, do we still have to capitalize pastor? :confused: Nope,not for me. :)

I thought if someone is an athiest, we don't have to capitalize anything associated with them? :ha: :chuckle: In theory Atheist as a title is capitalized like Buddhist, American, Hindu, Muslim, or Christian.

[Godless_One]

Originally posted by Knight
...
If God exists (any god)..... your atheism is in error.


Originally posted by Knight
... , as Christianity faces off against atheism head to head! ...

so specifically the Christian god...

What if Zakath does happen to prove that some other deity exists? Who would win? :confused:

[Zakath]

Perhaps, a draw??? :o

[CoCrucified]

Originally posted by Zakath
Nope,not for me. :)

In theory Atheist as a title is capitalized like Buddhist, American, Hindu, Muslim, or Christian.


Athiest Zakath and former pastor Zakath. Is this correct? :chuckle:

[Zakath]

Sure, since the "atheist" began the sentence. ;)

[CoCrucified]

Originally posted by Zakath
Sure, since the "atheist" began the sentence. ;)

...and Athiest was capitalized! :D Only because it's you Zakath. Other Athiest aren't as esteemed, or is that just plain old "steamed?" :devil:

[Zakath]

I think "esteemed" would be the Desi Arnez pronunciation. ;)

"Hey Lucy, how come you're so esteemed up?" :D

Atheists are better slow cooked anyway. We get tough when we're steamed. ;)

[tauboy22]

Lucy! You got some splainin' to do!!!!!!

--tauboy

[CoCrucified]

Originally posted by Zakath
I think "esteemed" would be the Desi Arnez pronunciation. ;)

"Hey Lucy, how come you're so esteemed up?" :D

Atheists are better slow cooked anyway. We get tough when we're steamed. ;)

:thumb: :ha: :chuckle:

[CoCrucified]

Originally posted by tauboy22
Lucy! You got some splainin' to do!!!!!!

--tauboy


Lucy - "Wahaaaaaa!!!" :cry:

[Lord Vader]

Originally posted by Freak
That's the best you can do? What a sore loser.


Hmmm. Let's look at that statement and then let's look at Frank Burns', errr, I mean Freaks reply to my posts. Look at one, then the other, one, other, one, other.

Don't you hate feeling embarrassed *for* someone!

[Lord Vader]

Originally posted by Zakath
Only when it's someone's title. Like President Bush or Pastor Zakath.


Lol! That seems to have shut him up for awhile. Well, don't worry. He'll be back when he's judged that it's been enough time for people to forget the time he made an arse of himself and then he'll carry on as if nothing happened.

[Zakath]

But he does it so often, and he keeps coming back for more.

Perhaps he's a masochist... :think:

[Shaun]

Stepping in...

I think the coolest thing about this is the banner up top.

That's the big deal for me.
Where's Larry King?

[Zakath]

Do you mean Don King, the fellow with the hair? ;)

[Shaun]

Him too. :doh: Larry King would be funny as well. :yesyes:

[wholearmor]

Originally posted by Zakath
:yesyes: Yep!

As with any debate with a deist, Zakath is practicing

:jump: keeping up while his opponent jumps to conclusions

:juggle: juggling contradictions

:devil: preparing to be called a "tool of the devil"

:Popup: following his opponent as he pops from one topic to another

:vomit: avoiding regurgitating the "same old arguments"

Dr. Z has a very busy training schedule. :D

See you all on the 16th! :thumb:

Originally posted by Knight
Hey... that was clever!

Cleverness such as that could only come from God!

[Vitamin J]

I actually think Bob is at a bit of a disadvantage.

Mainly because he doesn't participate here.

I think there is a real art to making good posts on an internet forum and if you dont do it regularly you wont know how to be effective.

However, that being said, my money is still on Bob. Mainly because he has the Truth on his side and also because I read Battle Royale II - Sorry :zakath:

[Zakath]

Originally posted by wholearmor
Cleverness such as that could only come from God! ;)

[Zakath]

Originally posted by Vitamin J
I actually think Bob is at a bit of a disadvantage.

Mainly because he doesn't participate here.

I think there is a real art to making good posts on an internet forum and if you dont do it regularly you wont know how to be effective.Interesting observations. I'm sure St. Bob the Broadcaster will do well, he is a professional communicator, after all.

However, that being said, my money is still on Bob. Mainly because he has the Truth on his side and also because I read Battle Royale II - Sorry :zakath: No apologies necessary, we'll see how things go... :devil: