Why Bush Should be Impeached

[Skeptic]

We declared war on international terrorism. That was Bush's FIRST mistake!

We must fight terrorism, but we can no more win a so-called "war on terrorism" than we can win a "war on drugs" or "war on crime." Bush's preemptive military policy of invading countries that are not a threat and killing alleged "terrorists" wherever they are found has succeeded in dramatically INCREASING worldwide terrorism and has put America at an increased risk of terrorist attacks for years to come!

The fact that the U.S. has not had another 9/11-type attack means nothing in the battle to fight terrorism. The fact is that 9/11-type attacks are rare unlikely events, regardless of what the U.S. has or will do to try to prevent them. Relying on military action to "kill all terrorists" will only continue to increase anti-American hatred, increase the recruitment of new terrorists, and increase the risk to America.

Saddam suported international terrorism. Saddam was a small player in the world of international terrorism, if he can be legitimately called a player at all.

Countries that pose no real, significant and imminent threat, but which questionably offer limited support to local international terrorists, should NOT be subjected to massive preemptive military invasions, which everyone knows always results in the deaths of many thousands of innocent men, women and children. If Saddam had unquestionably offered substantial support to al-Qaeda, it would have been a different matter.

Iran, Korea, and Syria will be delt with at the proper time. If they are dealt with via massive military invasions, in lieu of reasoned negotiations and the many other options that are at our disposal, then yet another tragic and avoidable mistake will have been made.

You have to start at the start of the row to knock over all of the dominos! How naive and foolish. This is the same mind-set that got us into Vietnam! Fear of the "Domino Effect" that was allegedly spreading the demonic evil of communism unnecessarily got 58,000 US soldiers killed in Vietnam. Now, the naive imperial Bush plan is to end terrorism by creating a domino effect spreading "democracy" by using military force to "knock over" the demonic "axis of evil" terrorist nations.

Bush's policy is shear unworkable madness!!

[Delmar]

Daily Congress Check: still controlled by right-wingers.How I wish that were really true.

[Gerald]

How I wish that were really true.So, if they were Real Right Wingers™, what would they be doing?

Rounding up traitors, perhaps? (where "traitor" = "anyone who disagrees with Bush Administration policy")

[HerodionRomulus]

[QUOTE=simply one]
And we care about how many Allah Hooligans blow themselves up because....???

Because

"But I say to you that listen, Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you. If anyone strikes you on the cheek, offer the other also; and from anyone who takes away your coat do not withhold even your shirt. Give to everyone who begs from you; and if anyone takes away your goods, do not ask for them again. Do to others as you would have them do to you. "If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners love those who love them. If you do good to those who do good to you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners do the same. If you lend to those from whom you hope to receive, what credit is that to you? Even sinners lend to sinners, to receive as much again. But love your enemies, do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return. Your reward will be great, and you will be children of the Most High; for he is kind to the ungrateful and the wicked. Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful."
Luke 6:27ff

[Delmar]

That was Bush's FIRST mistake!

We must fight terrorism, but we can no more win a so-called "war on terrorism" than we can win a "war on drugs" or "war on crime." ...All wrong thinking left wing assertions.

[Delmar]

... Now, the ...Bush plan is to end terrorism by creating a domino effect spreading "democracy" by using military force to "knock over" the demonic "axis of evil" terrorist nations.

Yeah BABY!!!!

[simply one]

All wrong thinking left wing assertions.

Really? do you think so? care to voice support for your decisions?

Crime: always a part of humanity. From the beginning. And Bush's policy of invasion, and causing the deaths of tens of thousands is one of the most largescale criminal acts of the 21st century.

Drugs: I had a debate about this a few weeks back. As long as there is demand there will be supply. And the drug industry will always be there.

If you truly do believe that these "wars" are winnable, please share.

[Skeptic]

All wrong thinking left wing assertions. How do you suppose that the so-called "war on terrorism" will ultimately be won?

Other than naively attempting to kill all terrorists, what's your plan? Or is THAT your plan?

[Gerald]

Yeah BABY!!!!Iraq, Iran and North Korea are penny-ante players.

A real man would go after China...

[Delmar]

Really? do you think so? care to voice support for your decisions?

Crime: always a part of humanity. From the beginning. true.


And Bush's policy of invasion, and causing the deaths of tens of thousands is one of the most largescale criminal acts of the 21st century. What a crock!

Drugs: I had a debate about this a few weeks back. As long as there is demand there will be supply. I agree. One of the main tasks is to reduce demand. And the drug industry will always be there.
If you truly do believe that these "wars" are winnable, please share. If you dramaticly reduce crime and drugs it is fair to say you are winning the war on theese things.

[simply one]

If you dramaticly reduce crime and drugs it is fair to say you are winning the war on theese things.

Yes. But you claim that these "wars" can be "won". I disagree completely with that. These situations can IMPROVE (ie crime goes down, drug use goes down), but they will never be erradicated (ie "won").

Crime and drug use fluctuate with society, economy, and culture, but no "war" against them can ever be 100% "won".

Also, I dispute the use of the word "war" in this sense. It ties with it the idea of soldiers fighting and a plane with clear-cut battlefields and lines. And this does not truly represent the situations with illicit drugs and crime.



I haven't heard much on this thread about Bush 2's speech the other night...... It seems like quite the Orwellian piece. (for the complete speech in all its "glory": http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/06/20050628-7.html )

just reading or listening to his speeches makes me feel less intelligent...

[aikido7]

In his speech Bush kept alluding to 9-11. The aftermath of that tragedy was his chance to unite (not divide!) America and rally the rest of the world in a war against Islamic fundamentalists bent on attacking our country. Instead, he focused on his narrow self-interest to guarantee continued consumerism ("Go shopping!") and our mad rush into deeper dependence on oil. He attacked a weak, backward country and bit off way more than he could chew.

He's the kind of guy who won't admit it, though. He keeps doing the same thing over and over and expects different results.

He has lied and connived. He should be impeached.

[aikido7]

The editors of the New York Times this morning feign shock that in his speech at Fort Bragg yesterday evening President George W. Bush would "raise the bloody flag of 9/11 over and over again to justify a war in a country that had nothing whatsoever to do with the terrorist attacks." Kudos for that insight! Better three years late than never, I suppose.

--Former CIA analyst Ray McGovern

[aikido7]

More outspoken still has been Lt. Gen. William Odom (US Army, ret), the most respected senior intelligence officer still willing to speak out on strategic and intelligence issues. Unfortunately, you would have to understand German to know what he thinks of "staying the course" in Iraq, because U.S. media are not going to run his remarks.

Her is my [Roy McGovern's] translation of what Gen. Odom said last September on German TV's Panorama program:

--"When the president says he is staying the course, that makes me really afraid. For a leader has to know when to change course. Hitler did not change his course: rather he kept sending more and more troops to Stalingrad and they suffered more and more casualties.

--"When the president says he is staying the course it reminds me of the man who has just jumped from the Empire State Building. Half-way down he says, 'I am still on course.' Well, I would not want to be on course with a man who will lie splattered in the street. I would like to be someone who could change the course...

--"Our invasion of Iraq has made it a homeland for al-Qaeda and other terrorist groups. Indeed, I believe that it was the very first time that many Iraqis became terrorists. Before we invaded, they had no idea of terrorism."

[aikido7]

If they question why we died,
Tell them because our fathers lied.
--Rudyard Kipling

[Frank Ernest]

Must have been one helluva speech! :first:

:Commie:s are all twisted in knots over it. :eek: :dizzy:

:spam:

*bump*

[Frank Ernest]

There's more!

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/calthomas/ct20050629.shtml

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/joelmowbray/jm20050630.shtml

[aikido7]

There's more!

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/calthomas/ct20050629.shtml

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/joelmowbray/jm20050630.shtml

Why do those two columns sound like Karl Rove in the GOP "spin room" after Bush's presidential debate melt-down?

And can you explain why bin Laden wanted Bush to be re-elected?

Watch it now! This has plenty of footnoted hyper-links. If you were homeschooled, I understand.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0411/S00007.htm

[Frank Ernest]

Why do those two columns sound like Karl Rove in the GOP "spin room" after Bush's presidential debate melt-down?
:darwinsm: Oooooooooo. What a stinging indictment! :loser:

And can you explain why bin Laden wanted Bush to be re-elected?
Which bin Laden? It is a rather large family. :confused:

Watch it now! This has plenty of footnoted hyper-links. If you were homeschooled, I understand.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0411/S00007.htm
:darwinsm: I'm sure you can find some sources in China who would agree with you too! :Commie: :dizzy:

[On Fire]

Daily Impeachment Check: Nope, not today!

[Frank Ernest]

Daily Impeachment Check: Nope, not today!
Latest I hear is that John Conyers is still "studying" the matter. Guess he doesn't want to get burned along with Pelosi. We see how long it takes before the rats start leaving the ship. :darwinsm:

[Delmar]

More outspoken still has been Lt. Gen. William Odom (US Army, ret), the most respected senior intelligence officer still willing to speak out on strategic and intelligence issues. Unfortunately, you would have to understand German to know what he thinks of "staying the course" in Iraq, because U.S. media are not going to run his remarks.

Her is my [Roy McGovern's] translation of what Gen. Odom said last September on German TV's Panorama program:

--"When the president says he is staying the course, that makes me really afraid. For a leader has to know when to change course. Hitler did not change his course: rather he kept sending more and more troops to Stalingrad and they suffered more and more casualties.

--"When the president says he is staying the course it reminds me of the man who has just jumped from the Empire State Building. Half-way down he says, 'I am still on course.' Well, I would not want to be on course with a man who will lie splattered in the street. I would like to be someone who could change the course...

--"Our invasion of Iraq has made it a homeland for al-Qaeda and other terrorist groups. Indeed, I believe that it was the very first time that many Iraqis became terrorists. Before we invaded, they had no idea of terrorism."

If we pull out now would the killing lessen or increase?

[Gerald]

If we pull out now would the killing lessen or increase?Well, there wouldn't be any Americans dying...

[On Fire]

Mid-day Impeachment Check: Bush is still in da HOUSE!

[Gerald]

Mid-day Impeachment Check: Bush is still in da HOUSE!If you really want to boost your post count, how about an update every half-hour on the hour?

See how long you can keep it up... :chuckle:

[Sir Cast-a-Lot]

Well, there wouldn't be any Americans dying...


We are all apart of the human race.

[aikido7]

I'm sure you can find some sources in China who would agree with you too! You may say that I'm a dreamer, but I actually don't mind standing in the path of your facist tank!

[Sir Cast-a-Lot]

You may say that I'm a dreamer, but I actually don't mind standing in the path of your facist tank!


Well ,i'll get the spatula ready.

[aikido7]

Well ,i'll get the spatula ready.

Eggs-aactly!!

...And once you really get involved like that, you'll probably have to get out of your armchair!

[Gerald]

We are all apart of the human race.My indifference to that notion knows no bounds. :yawn:

[aikido7]

We are all apart of the human race.
My indifference to that notion knows no bounds. :yawn:

Aw, Gerald, wait a minute! There are millions of abortions going on in the human species and God knows how many people are becoming corrupted from the gay agenda! How can you say you are indifferent to that? How can you--uh. Wait--oh!

You're talking about war in Iraq. Sorry.

[Frank Ernest]

Well, there wouldn't be any Americans dying...
Got any guarantee of that?

[Sir Cast-a-Lot]

My indifference to that notion knows no bounds. :yawn:


Don't you care about the human race?

[Delmar]

Simply one, Skeptic, A7
If we pull out now would the killing lessen or increase?

[Frank Ernest]

You may say that I'm a dreamer, but I actually don't mind standing in the path of your facist tank!
:darwinsm:

Still waiting for the "slam-dunk" impeachment. :thumb: :dunce:

[Frank Ernest]

Simply one, Skeptic, A7
If we pull out now would the killing lessen or increase?
I don't think you'll get an answer. They don't care how many are killed as long as the United States loses.

Noted that when we pulled out of Vietnam, the :Commie:s turned a blind eye and a deaf ear to the ensuing bloodbaths.

[aikido7]

Simply one, Skeptic, A7
If we pull out now would the killing lessen or increase?I really don't know. I certainly would hope so. Clearly something smells to high heaven when Bush keeps insisting that Iraqi forces are getting ready to take over. And all the lies and tragic miscalculations!!! What do YOU think? I have seen nothing but quacking and walking like a duck.

Deardelmar, why do you really trust the government here?

[QUOTE=Frank Ernest]I don't think you'll get an answer. They don't care how many are killed as long as the United States loses.

Noted that when we pulled out of Vietnam, the :Commie:s turned a blind eye and a deaf ear to the ensuing bloodbaths.You cannot still fight in Vietnam, and, although it may have left a clot in your craw, the bloodbath that "staying the course" adherents never materialized there. And it was clearly a nationalistic insurgency--not what is going on in Iraq.

I for one care how many are killed. I have seen the pictures and the effects of war--in person and on the net. It's never about winning and losing, but I suspect your world seldom matches what you are seeing.

[Frank Ernest]

I really don't know. I certainly would hope so. Clearly something smells to high heaven when Bush keeps insisting that Iraqi forces are getting ready to take over. And all the lies and tragic miscalculations!!! What do YOU think? I have seen nothing but quacking and walking like a duck.
You certainly hope the killings lessen or increase? Some answer. :rolleyes:
You cannot still fight in Vietnam, and, although it may have left a clot in your craw, the bloodbath that "staying the course" adherents never materialized there. And it was clearly a nationalistic insurgency--not what is going on in Iraq.
Yup. Blind eye and deaf ear. Their blood be upon your hands then. :up:

I for one care how many are killed. I have seen the pictures and the effects of war--in person and on the net. It's never about winning and losing, but I suspect your world seldom matches what you are seeing.
:darwinsm: It does. You don't see in your world. You make up stuff and jam, or ignore, the facts you find dyspeptic.

[On Fire]

Don't you care about the human race?
Oops...that was one can of worms that did NOT need to be opened.

[On Fire]

Daily Impeachment Check: NOT TODAY!!! :cool:

[Delmar]

Simply one, Skeptic, A7
If we pull out now would the killing lessen or increase?


I really don't know. I certainly would hope so...Why don't you and a few of your commie friends rent "the Killing Fields.? I think you will be able to come up with an answer. I really do believe you know the answer but you are so locked into your" Bush is the Devil" mentality that you refuse to see it. You actually think that Bush is worse than the people who flew the planes into buildings on 9-11 don't you?
Oh BTW while it is true that there was no "collaborative link" between Saddam and the 9-11 hijackers it is also true that the people who are bombing stuff and killing people in Iraq right now are the exact same bunch of Islamo Fascist terrorists that did attack us on our own soil!

[aikido7]

You don't see in your world. You make up stuff and jam, or ignore, the facts you find dyspeptic.No one could make this stuff up. As O. J .Simpson once said, "You are entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts."

Or was that Dan Quayle?

[Gerald]

Oops...that was one can of worms that did NOT need to be opened.I promise I won't scar him too much with my glorious fiendishness... ;)

[aikido7]

Why don't you and a few of your commie friends rent "the Killing Fields.? I think you will be able to come up with an answer. I really do believe you know the answer but you are so locked into your" Bush is the Devil" mentality that you refuse to see it. You actually think that Bush is worse than the people who flew the planes into buildings on 9-11 don't you?
Oh BTW while it is true that there was no "collaborative link" between Saddam and the 9-11 hijackers it is also true that the people who are bombing stuff and killing people in Iraq right now are the exact same bunch of Islamo Fascist terrorists that did attack us on our own soil!Thinking that Pol Pot is Ho Chi Minh is like saying Osama bin Laden is Saddam Hussein.

Bush made it possible for us to be attacked. The hijackers were mainly Saudis. Give their leaders a kiss and hold their hand? Not me.

[On Fire]

I promise I won't scar him too much with my glorious fiendishness... ;)
See...you can be nice!

[Gerald]

See...you can be nice!True. I could rip out both of his lungs, instead of just one... :angel:

[On Fire]

You should join the Army and go to Iraq.

[Gerald]

You should join the Army and go to Iraq.Why?

Are you so unmanly that you have to suggest I put my own life at risk?

If you were a Real Man™, instead of a Pansy Nancy Boy Little Girly Man™ you'd come after me yourself.

Besides, I tried to join the Army when I was 18, and my flat feet and faulty heart kept me out.

[On Fire]

Why?

Are you so unmanly that you have to suggest I put my own life at risk?

If you were a Real Man™, instead of a Pansy Nancy Boy Little Girly Man™ you'd come after me yourself.

Besides, I tried to join the Army when I was 18, and my flat feet and faulty heart kept me out.
Hold on there big fella! My assumption was that you would tear the lungs out of the enemy and live to tell about it.

[Gerald]

Hold on there big fella! My assumption was that you would tear the lungs out of the enemy and live to tell about it.You and I have differing definitions of "enemy".

For me, an enemy is somebody who pees on my personal gate.

YMMV.

[On Fire]

I still think you'd make a good ally.

[simply one]

I really do believe you know the answer but you are so locked into your" Bush is the Devil" mentality that you refuse to see it. You actually think that Bush is worse than the people who flew the planes into buildings on 9-11 don't you?


Some facts (Frank's favourite things) which I would like to point out:

- 3000 died on 9/11

-1700+ US soldiers and 25,000+ Iraqis have died because Bush misled America and got us into the quagmire in Iraq.

-Bush has stood by while around 146,000 (based on a State Department release) people have died since March 2003 in Darfur (another interesting fact)

And you actually think that Bush is better than the people who flew planes into buildings on 9/11? Try walking in the shoes of an Iraqi and stop wrapping yourself up in ignorant nationalism.

Oh BTW while it is true that there was no "collaborative link" between Saddam and the 9-11 hijackers it is also true that the people who are bombing stuff and killing people in Iraq right now are the exact same bunch of Islamo Fascist terrorists that did attack us on our own soil!

YES!!! A rightie finally admits to one fact! THERE IS NO LINK BETWEEN SADDAM AND 9/11!

And, yes, it is the same people in Iraq as it was on 9/11, but they are only there because America invaded, destabilizing the country, turning its borders into a sieve, and turning the insurgency into a magnet for Middle Eastern terrorists.

There would not be a large terrorist and insurgent presence in Iraq if we had not invaded, and American forces would not have to deal with the insurgency for the next decade (according to Rummy) if Bush hadn't misled the country, and done this "preemptive" strike.

[Sir Cast-a-Lot]

True. I could rip out both of his lungs, instead of just one... :angel:


why would you rip out my lungs?

[aikido7]

why would you rip out my lungs?Maybe Gerald is in the midst of a rabid, anti-smoking campaign....

[Gerald]

Maybe Gerald is in the midst of a rabid, anti-smoking campaign....
:: growls, grimaces, flexes his muscles and tries to look fierce ::
:sheep:

[aikido7]

...I guess I just never figured you for a "hand-out-'no smoking'-pamphlets" kinda guy.

[aikido7]

Daily Impeachment Check: NOT TODAY!!!


Fourty-two per cent--one in five--voters say that, if it is found that President Bush did not tell the truth about his reasons for going to war with Iraq, Congress should hold him accountable through impeachment.

Fifty-per cent do not hold this view, but supporters of impeachment outweigh opponents in some parts of the country.

--Among those living in the Western states, a 52% majority favors Congress using the impeachment mechanism while just 41% are opposed.

--In Eastern states, 49% are in favor and 45% opposed.

--In the South, meanwhile, impeachment is opposed by three-in-five voters (60%) and supported by just one-in-three (34%); in the Central/Great Lakes region, 52% are opposed and 38% in favor.

Impeachment is overwhelmingly rejected in the Red States—just 36% say they agree Congress should use it if the President is found to have lied on Iraq, while 55% reject this view; in the “Blue States” that voted for Massachusetts Democrat John Kerry in 2004, meanwhile, a plurality of 48% favors such proceedings while 45% are opposed.

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1007



tick... tick... tick... tick... tick... tick!

[Delmar]

Some facts (Frank's favourite things) which I would like to point out:

- 3000 died on 9/11

-1700+ US soldiers and 25,000+ Iraqis have died because Bush misled America and got us into the quagmire in Iraq.

-Bush has stood by while around 146,000 (based on a State Department release) people have died since March 2003 in Darfur (another interesting fact)

And you actually think that Bush is better than the people who flew planes into buildings on 9/11? Try walking in the shoes of an Iraqi and stop wrapping yourself up in ignorant nationalism. Try asking them if they want to try freedom or invite Saddam back!



YES!!! A rightie finally admits to one fact! THERE IS NO LINK BETWEEN SADDAM AND 9/11! not what I said

And, yes, it is the same people in Iraq as it was on 9/11, but they are only there because America invaded, destabilizing the country, turning its borders into a sieve, and turning the insurgency into a magnet for Middle Eastern terrorists. a free irag is what makes them a target.

There would not be a large terrorist and insurgent presence in Iraq if we had not invaded, and American forces would not have to deal with the insurgency for the next decade (according to Rummy) if Bush hadn't misled the country, and done this "preemptive" strike. Commie!

[Frank Ernest]

Some facts (Frank's favourite things) which I would like to point out:

- 3000 died on 9/11
Fair approximation. :up:

-1700+ US soldiers and 25,000+ Iraqis have died because Bush misled America and got us into the quagmire in Iraq.
Approximation followed by false conclusion. :nono: No evidence Bush misled America; no evidence that Iraq is a "quagmire."

-Bush has stood by while around 146,000 (based on a State Department release) people have died since March 2003 in Darfur (another interesting fact)
Nice diversion. Kofi Annan and the UN stood by while 500,000 Rwandans were killed. Kofi Annan and the UN were and are standing by while those 146,000 Sudanese died. Sooooooo, your point is? :confused: OH, by the way, those Sudanese are being killed by their own government. By :Commie: logic, we can't do anything about it because Sudan, like Iraq, is a sovereign nation.

And you actually think that Bush is better than the people who flew planes into buildings on 9/11? Try walking in the shoes of an Iraqi and stop wrapping yourself up in ignorant nationalism.
:Commie: By the way, why are you :Commie:s trying to advance the argument that Iraq's sovereignty trumped an invasion? Convenient (but ignorant) nationalism, perhaps?

YES!!! A rightie finally admits to one fact! THERE IS NO LINK BETWEEN SADDAM AND 9/11!
That was not an issue until you :Commie:s tried to make it one. However, Saddam was harboring terrorists and paying them. War on Terror, remember?

And, yes, it is the same people in Iraq as it was on 9/11, but they are only there because America invaded, destabilizing the country, turning its borders into a sieve, and turning the insurgency into a magnet for Middle Eastern terrorists.
Nice bit of spin! :dizzy: I do appreciate the FACT that you have zero clue as to what is really going on.

There would not be a large terrorist and insurgent presence in Iraq if we had not invaded, and American forces would not have to deal with the insurgency for the next decade (according to Rummy) if Bush hadn't misled the country, and done this "preemptive" strike.
:darwinsm: And the world would just be a warm and fuzzy place filled with peece, luv and anger-managment counsellors. :loser:

[Skeptic]

No evidence Bush misled America... Frankie, was there any doubt in the intelligence community about whether Iraq had WMD in the months leading up to Bush's invasion?

[Frank Ernest]

Frankie, was there any doubt in the intelligence community about whether Iraq had WMD in the months leading up to Bush's invasion?
:sigh: Not much, which means Bush didn't lie and you're full of it. :darwinsm:

[griptor]

I guess everyone who doesn't espouse the Jesus is king line should leave? Yeah right. There will be a civil war before normal people let the Benny Hinns take over. You can paper the world with fish and crosses. It will never change the fact that an outdated religion is trying to make a move on one of the most powerful nations on Earth. Call 1800...I'll pray for :chicken: us all.

[griptor]

George Bush has advisors who get him dressed in the morning. This is like debating whether peeing on a rock will quench its thirst. :greedy:

[griptor]

George Bush has advisors who get him dressed in the morning. This is like debating whether peeing on a rock will quench its thirst. :greedy:
To my Christian Friends
Why is the World not enough?
Some Christians feel threatened by the end of faith in society. I've never understood why. What does faith or the Bible offer you? Why is the natural universe not enough that you must believe in supernatural agents like angels, saints, magic and all the other trappings of theism?
I need neither faith nor any Bible to tell me of God. I see Its majesty in the scope and the architecture of Creation.
I need neither faith nor any Bible to tell me of the Creation. Science tells us there was a Creation some 13.5 billion years ago with the Big Bang. It just didn't happen the way the Bible relates.
I need neither faith nor any Bible to tell me of "miracles". I see them in every day life, in the process of life itself. The greatest of these miracles is the advance of humanity's knowledge over time, made possible only by God's gift of reason.
I need neither faith nor any Bible to give me hope for a hereafter. Science tells us the nature of the universe. The Law of Conservation is that nothing is ever created or destroyed. I see no reason why I should be the exception.
I need neither faith nor any Bible to instruct me in right and wrong (not that the Bible is a good guide). Our conscience, combined with our being true to ourselves, is enough.
What purpose does faith serve then? It is naught but the suppression of reason, the process by which we halt critical thinking that is so part of our nature and therefore part of God's intent.
What purpose does the Bible serve? Scripture is at best a redundancy and a confusion of God's Word as found in Creation. At worst, it is a contradiction that leads us astray. Humans who claimed to speak for God wrote the Bible. Even those who believe in the Bible admit as much. God wrote the universe. When the two contradict, who shall you believe?
Why then do you keep the Bible?
What purpose does faith serve for you?
Questions for you to consider. I wish you well on your search for answers.
Yours in Reason,
John Armstrong
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[aikido7]

No evidence Bush misled America; no evidence that Iraq is a "quagmire."
MISLED--To give evidence up to impartial review. ALSO, To focus attention and then blame on whoever brings up or states unpleasant facts. To inform people you are a "compassionate conservative. To give tax cuts to the wealthy so that the middle class can afford to live in America and education and medical care are within everyone's reach.
QUAGMIRE--A place where the inhabitants welcome you with flowers and waving tiny American flags. ALSO, where the water runs from the tap like, er, water. A place where "major combat operations" are over for more than three years now.

[Delmar]

MISLED--To give evidence up to impartial review. ALSO, To focus attention and then blame on whoever brings up or states unpleasant facts. To inform people you are a "compassionate conservative. To give tax cuts to the wealthy so that the middle class can afford to live in America and education and medical care are within everyone's reach.
QUAGMIRE--A place where the inhabitants welcome you with flowers and waving tiny American flags. ALSO, where the water runs from the tap like, er, water. A place where "major combat operations" are over for more than three years now.bla bla bla

[Holly]

Nice diversion. Kofi Annan and the UN stood by while 500,000 Rwandans were killed.

Why are you blaming Kofi Annan? The horrific events of the Rwandan genocide took place in 1994, and Kofi Annan did not become Secretary-General of the UN until 1997. :confused:

(Btw, if you haven't seen Hotel Rwanda, starring Don Cheadle and Nick Nolte, it is an incredibly powerful film, and the acting is awesome.)

[aikido7]

bla bla blaWhen five-year-old children suspect they are being bested and want to demonstrate their "unconcern," they usually put their hands over their ears and sing "La La La La La!" in a loud voice.

And how old are you my dear little deardelmar?

[simply one]

I am gone for a week. peace everyone.

[Frank Ernest]

MISLED--To give evidence up to impartial review. ALSO, To focus attention and then blame on whoever brings up or states unpleasant facts. To inform people you are a "compassionate conservative. To give tax cuts to the wealthy so that the middle class can afford to live in America and education and medical care are within everyone's reach.
Usual :Commie: :cow:

QUAGMIRE--A place where the inhabitants welcome you with flowers and waving tiny American flags. ALSO, where the water runs from the tap like, er, water. A place where "major combat operations" are over for more than three years now.
:yawn: :sleep: zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[Frank Ernest]

Why are you blaming Kofi Annan? The horrific events of the Rwandan genocide took place in 1994, and Kofi Annan did not become Secretary-General of the UN until 1997. :confused:

(Btw, if you haven't seen Hotel Rwanda, starring Don Cheadle and Nick Nolte, it is an incredibly powerful film, and the acting is awesome.)
:darwinsm:

[aikido7]

Catch some more "z's," Frank:

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...

...the Lord has you in your derision.

[Delmar]

When five-year-old children suspect they are being bested and want to demonstrate their "unconcern," they usually put their hands over their ears and sing "La La La La La!" in a loud voice.

And how old are you my dear little deardelmar?
:D

[aikido7]

:DGeorge Bush and Iraq (Like Lyndon Johnson and Vietnam) is showing not the "death throes" of the Iraqi people (Dick Cheney), but the death throes of Bush's legacy.

He has a real chance of getting impeached during his term, or at least put on trial domestically and in The Hague after he leaves office.

Thanks to insiders who have left the Administration, the demonstrable facts, and now the so-called Downing Street Memos from England, we all have learned--with the exception of a few, empty-headed grinning idiots--of the profound immoralities and crimes perpetrated by our own government (and the Blair regime) in preparing for, launching, and carrying out this war and occupation.

And those crimes continue to this day.

[Frank Ernest]

Catch some more "z's," Frank:

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...

...the Lord has you in your derision.
If you believed in God, I might take that seriously. :darwinsm: :loser:

[aikido7]

If you believed in God, I might take that seriously. :darwinsm: :loser:Well, few can accuse you of that, Frank.

[Skeptic]

If you believed in God, I might take that seriously. I suppose only true believers in God support Bush?

Belief in God (and other fairy tales and superstitions) is hardly a reason to take someone seriously. There are other more rational reasons to take people seriously than the content of their religious beliefs.

[aikido7]

The Lie:
"Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised." -- George W. Bush - March 17, 2003

There was no doubt in the intelligence community about WMD???When you have no doubt, you become a fanatic. Of course, those whose necks are crained upwards in adoration to any authority would call any absence of doubt "being strong and resolute." Second thoughts and careful observation are "weakness" to this crowd.

[Frank Ernest]

Well, few can accuse you of that, Frank.
True! I've never been accused of taking you seriously. :darwinsm:

Atheist :loser:

[Frank Ernest]

When you have no doubt, you become a fanatic. Of course, those whose necks are crained upwards in adoration to any authority would call any absence of doubt "being strong and resolute." Second thoughts and careful observation are "weakness" to this crowd.
Now we know what you think of Christians. Thanks for the tip! :darwinsm:

You realize, of course, you just labeled yourself and the other :Commie:s as fanatics.

We already knew that, but it's nice to have confirmation from the horse's a ... er ... mouth, so to speak.

[CapnFungi]

I Love Bush...

Bush Rocks..

[aikido7]

I Love Bush...

Bush Rocks..no doubt.

[drbrumley]

I Love Bush...

Bush Rocks..

Yep, we love him so much, we overlook the fact that the law means more to him then an actual life being saved in the womb.

[aikido7]

Dear Voter,

I am sure you are aware of the poor economic conditions, but the Democratic Party has been against my plans for America's recovery. And because of this fact, we have had to eliminate certain positions.

Sadly, your position is one of those to be eliminated.

We hope that as the tax cuts begin to kick in, economic conditions improve and we will be able to consider you for another position.

We wish you every success in finding a new position and we extend our thanks for the good work you have done for us.

In the meantime, please don't impeach me.

Your President,
George W. Bush

[Frank Ernest]

I suppose only true believers in God support Bush?
Usual atheist :blabla:

Belief in God (and other fairy tales and superstitions) is hardly a reason to take someone seriously. There are other more rational reasons to take people seriously than the content of their religious beliefs.
:darwinsm:

[Frank Ernest]

Dear Voter,

I am sure you are aware of the poor economic conditions, but the Democratic Party has been against my plans for America's recovery. And because of this fact, we have had to eliminate certain positions.

Sadly, your position is one of those to be eliminated.

We hope that as the tax cuts begin to kick in, economic conditions improve and we will be able to consider you for another position.

We wish you every success in finding a new position and we extend our thanks for the good work you have done for us.

In the meantime, please don't impeach me.

Your President,
George W. Bush
:darwinsm: :yawn: :sleep: zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[Jauchzer]

Dear Voter,

I am sure you are aware of the poor economic conditions, but the Democratic Party has been against my plans for America's recovery. And because of this fact, we have had to eliminate certain positions.

Sadly, your position is one of those to be eliminated.

We hope that as the tax cuts begin to kick in, economic conditions improve and we will be able to consider you for another position.

We wish you every success in finding a new position and we extend our thanks for the good work you have done for us.

In the meantime, please don't impeach me.

Your President,
George W. Bush

Dear Able-Bodied Welfare Reciprient,

I am sure you are aware of the burden of taxes that the American worker is called upon to shoulder. And because of this fact, we have decided to eliminate certain expenses for unessential services.

And one of them is the money we pay you for....well....nothing.

We hope that as the economy kicks in we will have enough sense not to allow parasites such as yourself to attach themselves to our wallets again.

We wish you the ambition to get off your butt and get out there and join the workforce and support yourself.

In the meantime, you can pray for a Democratic President and Congress. If that isn't too much like work on your part.

George W. Bush

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[Frank Ernest]

Independence Day! In the Year of OUR LORD 2005, and of our Independence, the 229th.

God Bless America!

And, to stay on topic:

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45079

[aikido7]

Independence Day! In the Year of OUR LORD 2005, and of our Independence, the 229th.

God Bless America!

And, to stay on topic:

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45079

President Bush's reliance on the best available intelligence 1

though it may have turned out to be wrong 2

doesn't make him a liar or prove that he made a mistake in attacking 3

He would have made a mistake had he failed to act on the information he had 4

especially considering Saddam's self-incriminating behavior 5
____________________________________

1--http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0211-12.htm

2--http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/10/august6.memo/

3--http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0908900.html

4--http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2005/03/22/decision_to_go_to_war_in_iraq_defines_bush_preside ncy/

5--http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/03/21/iraq.weapons/

Do you rage because you're weak??? I can think of no other earthly reason you keep regurgitating this crap. It's over.

[Frank Ernest]

Do you rage because you're weak??? I can think of no other earthly reason you keep regurgitating this crap. It's over.
:darwinsm: Seems to me YOU'RE the one who's doing all the raging.

:Commie::loser:

[aikido7]

Why do you believe Dave Limbaugh on this? Seriously.

[Frank Ernest]

Why do you believe Dave Limbaugh on this? Seriously.
Why not? Seriously.

[Delmar]

Why do you believe Dave Limbaugh on this? Seriously.
It's not a matter of believing Mr Limbaugh. In his article Mr Limbaugh articulates very well
much of what I do believe. :up:

[On Fire]

Dear Able-Bodied Welfare Reciprient,

I am sure you are aware of the burden of taxes that the American worker is called upon to shoulder. And because of this fact, we have decided to eliminate certain expenses for unessential services.

And one of them is the money we pay you for....well....nothing.

We hope that as the economy kicks in we will have enough sense not to allow parasites such as yourself to attach themselves to our wallets again.

We wish you the ambition to get off your butt and get out there and join the workforce and support yourself.

In the meantime, you can pray for a Democratic President and Congress. If that isn't too much like work on your part.

George W. Bush

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Incredibly funny....and sadly true. :first:

[drbrumley]

Indeed.

[On Fire]

Daily Impeachment Check: NOT TODAY

[Holly]

Daily Impeachment Check: NOT TODAY
Daily Reality Check: Has Bush captured Osama bin Ladin, the mastermind of the most devastating terrorist attack ever to occur on American soil (and on Bush's watch, of course)? NOT TODAY. Gee, how come? Maybe if Bush hadn't invaded the wrong country under false pretenses, he could truthfully boast "Mission Accomplished". Maybe if he wasn't too busy protecting the identity of a traitor in his own office who compromised the intelligence network of a covert CIA operative, all for political payback against a whistleblower whose account of events has subsequently been vindicated....
On the other hand, if you people rely on cyber-rags like WND (home of wild-eyed tales of fetus-eating foreign-born abortionists; see Art Deco's uproarious thread) as a source of valid information, it's no wonder you have such a tenuous grip on reality. "Garbage in, garbage out", as the saying goes. :LoJo:

[On Fire]

Holly, what's it like being the 42nd wife of Osama?

[HerodionRomulus]

The 23rd Qualm

Bush is my shepherd; I dwell in want.
He maketh logs to be cut down in national forests.
He leadeth trucks into the still wilderness.
He restoreth my fears.
He leadeth me in the paths of international disgrace for his ego's
sake.

Yea, though I walk through the valley of pollution and war,

I will find no exit, for thou art in office.

Thy tax cuts for the rich and thy media control, they discomfort me.

Thou preparest an agenda of deception in the presence of thy religion.
Thou anointest my head with foreign oil.

My health insurance runneth out.
Surely megalomania and false patriotism shall follow me all the days of
thy term,
And my jobless child shall dwell in my basement forever.

[On Fire]

Cuba's calling....

[Gerald]

Cuba's calling....And folks get on my back for being snide...

[On Fire]

:darwinsm:

[aikido7]

Why not? Seriously.Because he has been often contradicted by our own administration--and from their own words! Words on a page do not literally fall into place one behind the other and create meaning. You need to read with some sense of engagement and understanding. Sometimes you show me that you are incapable of it--especially since you so often fall back on the "Neanderthal cave-writing" of smilies or the juvinenile "you hit me first" inanities instead of any kind of honest, self-revealing dialogue!It's not a matter of believing Mr Limbaugh. In his article Mr Limbaugh articulates very well
much of what I do believe. :up:At least you are willing to look within yourself and be honest. But your answer reveals an inadvertant tautology. What prevents you from going a level or two deeper and considering how factual information must necessarily modify belief--or stubbornly harden it until it can become pathology?

I'll swear, it's like the sun is setting, things are getting dark and because you believe some man who tells you the sun is shining and the day is bright you are becoming delusional!

[On Fire]

2,603 posts and not a single legitimate reason to impeach the President.

Get thee to Cuba!!!

[aikido7]

The 23rd Qualm

Bush is my shepherd; I dwell in want.
He maketh logs to be cut down in national forests.
He leadeth trucks into the still wilderness.
He restoreth my fears.
He leadeth me in the paths of international disgrace for his ego's
sake.

Yea, though I walk through the valley of pollution and war,

I will find no exit, for thou art in office.

Thy tax cuts for the rich and thy media control, they discomfort me.

Thou preparest an agenda of deception in the presence of thy religion.
Thou anointest my head with foreign oil.

My health insurance runneth out.
Surely megalomania and false patriotism shall follow me all the days of
thy term,
And my jobless child shall dwell in my basement forever.From a neocon perspective, such a post is actually an abomination. But from an average American's perspective, such a post is actually an abomination--because it is TRUE!!!

[On Fire]

I Love Bush...

Bush Rocks..
:up:

[aikido7]

Daily Impeachment Check: NOT TODAY

LIVE FROM HAVANA...

Muchachas y Muchachos: No Impeachamentato... Hoy!

BARELY LIVE FROM A TIMID U.S. PRESS...

"It is one of the greatest ironies of the Plame affair that the Bush administration, spawned and nurtured by oil, might have committed suicide by vindictively, cruelly and unthinkingly exacting personal retribution on an intelligence officer who had committed no offense, and who was, quite possibly, providing the administration with critical oil-related intelligence which the President needed to manage our shaky economy and affairs of state for a while longer to squeak through to re-election. In our opinion, nothing better epitomizes the true nature of the Neocons.

That being said, they have to go." --Michael Ruppurt, author of "Crossing the Rubicon"

--sent by R. Fike.
_________________________________


To all those who like to research the net--and I realize your number is anemic-- try going through the pre-election posts [www.theologyonline] and pay attention to posts with "Karl Rove," "Valerie Plame," George Bush" and "Impeachment"--all in the same thread. After all, it's not like we didn't ever say WE TOLD YOU SO!!!!

[On Fire]

Mid-day impeachment check: STILL NO

Conspiracy theories abound but TRUTH PREVAILS!!!

[aikido7]

Mid-day impeachment check: STILL NO

Conspiracy theories abound but TRUTH PREVAILS!!!

"Conspiracy" is a legal term that merely means two or more people get together to knowingly break the law. Interesting how Rove's lawyer has now said he did not "knowingly" violate Federal Law. How about those activist trial lawyers?

The mills of justice grind slowly.... Everything that is hidden will be revealed.

[On Fire]

Mid-afternoon impeachment check: Nope

And I'll go out on a limb and predict that the remainder of the day will be impeachment free.

[aikido7]

Mid-afternoon impeachment check: Nope

And I'll go out on a limb and predict that the remainder of the day will be impeachment free.The mills of justice grind slowly.... Everything that is hidden will be revealed.

[Gerald]

2,603 posts and not a single legitimate reason to impeach the President.

Get thee to Cuba!!!How about coughing up a little Christian Charity™ and buying him a ticket?

Believe it or not, I'm serious!

[Frank Ernest]

Because he has been often contradicted by our own administration--and from their own words!
That's funny. When the "administration" contradicts one of your :Commie: flak peddlers, you jump up and yell "liar." :jump:

Words on a page do not literally fall into place one behind the other and create meaning. You need to read with some sense of engagement and understanding. Sometimes you show me that you are incapable of it--especially since you so often fall back on the "Neanderthal cave-writing" of smilies or the juvinenile "you hit me first" inanities instead of any kind of honest, self-revealing dialogue!
I don't fall for your :Commie: silliness, that's true. Perhaps, it's because I reply in kind to you that puts you in such a psychotic rage. :madmad:

At least you are willing to look within yourself and be honest. But your answer reveals an inadvertant tautology. What prevents you from going a level or two deeper and considering how factual information must necessarily modify belief--or stubbornly harden it until it can become pathology?
Why don't you try making some sense instead of spewing psychobabbling drivel? I know it's supposed to sound erudite and superior, but it gives me the giggles.

I'll swear, it's like the sun is setting, things are getting dark and because you believe some man who tells you the sun is shining and the day is bright you are becoming delusional!
:darwinsm: If that were all true, I would probably become a :Commie: and vote Democrat.

[Holly]

Holly, what's it like being the 42nd wife of Osama?

I wouldn't know; you'd have to ask the president! Don't take my word for it; check out the pictures: :LoJo:
www.imgsharing.com/uploads/1119827027bush_bandar.jpg

[On Fire]

How about coughing up a little Christian Charity™ and buying him a ticket?

Believe it or not, I'm serious!
They only talk the talk. I'm serious, too.

[On Fire]

I hereby dedicate my 6,000th post to all the commies here at TOL and present to you this useful link:

CLICK HERE! (http://www.cubatravel.cu/client/home/index.php)

[aikido7]

Looks like some major world leaders and organizations are going there. On Fire, are they all "commies"?

[Frank Ernest]

Looks like some major world leaders and organizations are going there. On Fire, are they all "commies"?
Guilt by association? How very un-christian of you! :darwinsm:

[Frank Ernest]

Gratuitous Post:

Happy Birthday, Mr. President!

*bump*

[aikido7]

Guilt by association? How very un-christian of you! You can't judge a Christian by the company he keeps...

"Ye will say, I am no Christian...Yet I believe all the honest men among you are Christians in my sense of the word." --Samuel Adams, 1813, in a letter to Thomas Jefferson.

[aikido7]

Happy Birthday, Mr. President!Maturity watch: Nope, hasn't grown yet!

[Frank Ernest]

You can't judge a Christian by the company he keeps...

"Ye will say, I am no Christian...Yet I believe all the honest men among you are Christians in my sense of the word." --Samuel Adams, 1813, in a letter to Thomas Jefferson.
:darwinsm: These sudden 180-degree turns of yours will give you intellectual whiplash.

[Frank Ernest]

Maturity watch: Nope, hasn't grown yet!
:darwinsm: Keep spreading more of that :Commie:-style "christian" luv and fergivniss.

In 2003, George Bush averred that he didn't know how far a political campaign could get based on the hatred of one man.

In November, 2004, we got the answer, didn't we, :loser:?

[Gerald]

I hereby dedicate my 6,000th post to all the commies here at TOL and present to you this useful link:

CLICK HERE! (http://www.cubatravel.cu/client/home/index.php)
That doesn't look like instructions on how to commit suicide...

[On Fire]

That doesn't look like instructions on how to commit suicide...
Heavens no! I want them to be happy. In Cuba.

[Gerald]

Heavens no! I want them to be happy. In Cuba.But if they're dead, their happiness becomes a non-issue.

:doh:

Silly me, I keep forgetting: you actually care about whether or not people with whom you disagree are happy.

That kind heart of yours is going to be your downfall, you know that...?

[On Fire]

But if they're dead, their happiness becomes a non-issue.
That kind heart of yours is going to be your downfall, you know that...?
Man enough to admit you could be wrong?

[Gerald]

Man enough to admit you could be wrong?I could always be wrong, that's a given.

But consider, if you render kindness to enough people, sooner or later you'll get stabbed in the back for your trouble.

Walk through the Pasture of Life™ enough times and you're sure to eventually step in something nasty...

Aren't I such a wonderful pessimist...? :D

[On Fire]

I could always be wrong, that's a given.

But consider, if you render kindness to enough people, sooner or later you'll get stabbed in the back for your trouble.
Maybe, maybe not.

Walk through the Pasture of Life™ enough times and you're sure to eventually step in something nasty...
That's why I wear boots (aka God).

Aren't I such a wonderful pessimist...? :D
How's that working out for ya?

[Gerald]

Maybe, maybe not.That you take the chance says a lot.
That's why I wear boots (aka God).If you avoid stepping in things, you don't need boots.How's that working out for ya?Wonderfully!

[On Fire]

That you take the chance says a lot.
A compliment?



If you avoid stepping in things, you don't need boots.
But you said "...you're [b[sure[/b] to eventually step...". So are you sure or not?


Wonderfully!
Always running on empty....

[Gerald]

A compliment?If you wish to interpret it as one...
But you said "...you're sure to eventually step...". So are you sure or not?Oh, I'm quite sure. That's why I don't use boots. I avoid that which is avoidable, and don't worry about that which isn't...
Always running on empty...You've have thus far been quite unable to convince me that the way I live my life is somehow bad or unhealthy. If this crack is the best shot you can muster, give up.

[On Fire]

You have thus far been quite unable to convince me that the way I live my life is somehow bad or unhealthy. If this crack is the best shot you can muster, give up.
Crack? You're a self-confessed pessimist. The glass is half empty, right? You're running on empty....get it?

But I am encouraged by your earlier statement that you could always be wrong.

[Gerald]

But I am encouraged by your earlier statement that you could always be wrong.Why? There's still no way I'll ever join your team.

[HerodionRomulus]

Cuba's calling....

Cuba???
Isn't that a country that has a long history of periodically invading the US under the guise of expelling dissidents?
Isn't it a country with a lengthy history of exporting terrorism throughout the Americas and Africa?
Isn't it a ruthless dictatorship which oppresses it's people to the extent that Saddam Hussein only wishes he could've achieved?
Isn't a country that has made attempts to assassinate American leaders?

Why isn't Cuba next on the list for "regime change" and/or invasion?

Of course it has no oil :duh: so Bush has no interest in exporting democracy and freedom there.

[On Fire]

Why? There's still no way I'll ever join your team.
You said "I could always be wrong, that's a given."

[On Fire]

Cuba???

Haven't heard of it? Beautiful place. You'll love it. Go!! :wave2:

[Gerald]

You said "I could always be wrong, that's a given."That statement applies only to things over which I have no control.

[Gerald]

Haven't heard of it? Beautiful place. You'll love it. Go!! :wave2:You have a pretty screwy idea of what's beautiful.

Tropical island? Yuck!

Give me a smoggy, dingy steel-and-concrete city any day!

[On Fire]

That statement applies only to things over which I have no control.
Trust me. You have no control over God's existence.

[On Fire]

Give me a smoggy, dingy steel-and-concrete city any day!
So you DO live in Pittsburgh!

[Gerald]

Trust me.
Not any further than I could throw a Buick.
You have no control over God's existence.And you have no means of demonstrating God's existence. If you do, by all means whip it out.

And don't wave the Bible in my face, thanks.

[Gerald]

So you DO live in Pittsburgh!You're welcome to search for me there if you want...

[On Fire]

I can always tells when God turns up the heat in Gerald's cubicle at work.

[Gerald]

I can always tells when God turns up the heat in Gerald's cubicle at work.Do tell.

It'll will amuse you to know that God's in my office right now, and he still won't pay me the five bucks he owes me.

Lousy mooch. :p

[Frank Ernest]

Cuba???
Workers' Paradise.

Isn't that a country that has a long history of periodically invading the US under the guise of expelling dissidents?
No, they usually shoot them, as in, a la mura!

Isn't it a country with a lengthy history of exporting terrorism throughout the Americas and Africa?
Yes.

Isn't it a ruthless dictatorship which oppresses it's people to the extent that Saddam Hussein only wishes he could've achieved?
Other way around.

Isn't a country that has made attempts to assassinate American leaders?
I don't have access to the Cuban security service.

Why isn't Cuba next on the list for "regime change" and/or invasion?
I don't have access to American security services either.

Of course it has no oil :duh: so Bush has no interest in exporting democracy and freedom there.
Is that why you live in the United States? We have oil and Cuba doesn't?

Greedy capitalist. :darwinsm:

[Holly]

Gratuitous Post:

Happy Birthday, Mr. President!

*bump*

What's with the *bump*, Frank? Are you trying to rub it in that he fell off a bicycle on his birthday? I thought you liked him! That must have been a bummer for him, along with getting booed by thousands of protesters, even though both of those things seem to happen to him with increasing frequency. But you can cheer him up by sending him a free birthday card:
http://www.democrats.org/page/petition/bushbirthdaycard

[Frank Ernest]

What's with the *bump*, Frank? Are you trying to rub it in that he fell off a bicycle on his birthday? I thought you liked him! That must have been a bummer for him, along with getting booed by thousands of protesters, even though both of those things seem to happen to him with increasing frequency. But you can cheer him up by sending him a free birthday card:
http://www.democrats.org/page/petition/bushbirthdaycard
:darwinsm: Nice to know that you and the :Commie:crats are still as hysterical and infantile as I think you are. :thumb:

http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/news/world/12068838.htm

:nananana:

[aikido7]

More than four in 10 Americans, according to a recent Zogby poll, say that if President Bush did not tell the truth about his reasons for going to war with Iraq, Congress should consider holding him accountable through impeachment.

The liberal media is probably keeping this fact quiet until it can gather more evidence.

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1007
__________________________________
How much does a snowflake weigh? Not much, but one more falling on a snow-laden tree branch can cause the entire load to fall to the ground.

[On Fire]

Morning Impeachment Check: NOT TODAY

[Frank Ernest]

More than four in 10 Americans, according to a recent Zogby poll, say that if President Bush did not tell the truth about his reasons for going to war with Iraq, Congress should consider holding him accountable through impeachment.
:darwinsm: Big IF there. I think John Conyers is into his second week of "studying" the matter.

The liberal media is probably keeping this fact quiet until it can gather more evidence.
I'll get ready to issue another Dan Rather Alert. :thumb:

:darwinsm: If the liberal media thought there was even a remote chance, they would be blasting it from the rooftops. It's a dead issue and they know it.

How much does a snowflake weigh? Not much, but one more falling on a snow-laden tree branch can cause the entire load to fall to the ground.
:darwinsm: :yawn: :sleep: zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[aikido7]

If we don't get out of Iraq--sooner rather than later--what happened in London is going to be a fact of life in major American cities.

Are we really better off than we were two and a half years ago?

Still waiting for those tax cuts to kick in so our coast guard can afford to upgrade patrol boats they've been using since 1959. Still waiting for that one child left behind who needs an education that teaches him to think for himself and trade fear for knowledge and action.

[On Fire]

Still waiting for those tax cuts to kick in so our coast guard can afford to upgrade patrol boats they've been using since 1959. Still waiting for that one child left behind who needs an education that teaches him to think for himself and trade fear for knowledge and action.
And apparently still waiting for the last boat to Havana.

[Frank Ernest]

If we don't get out of Iraq--sooner rather than later--what happened in London is going to be a fact of life in major American cities.
:darwinsm: Still the same old party agit-prop.

Are we really better off than we were two and a half years ago?
Yes.

Still waiting for those tax cuts to kick in so our coast guard can afford to upgrade patrol boats they've been using since 1959. Still waiting for that one child left behind who needs an education that teaches him to think for himself and trade fear for knowledge and action.
:yawn: :sleep: zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[aikido7]

Dad and friends help Bush get elected.
Cheney is designated driver and chaperone.

Outgoing Clinton administration warns Bush about bin Laden.
Bush tells his attorney general to forget terrorism, focus on drug busts.

Bush gets secret breifing "Bin Laden determined to strike U.S." in August.
Bush goes on vacation.

Terrorists attack America.
Bush reads to schoolkids with the most amazing look on his face.

Nineteen of the hijackers came from Saudi Arabia.
Prince Bandahar remains Bush family friend while Saudi princes go to Crawford.

Entire country united, America invades the Taliban in Afghanistan.
Buildings, roads, econmic assistance are promised.

Bin Laden not found, said to have escaped to Pakistan.
Bush bombs Baghdad, now claims he doesn't think too much about bin Laden anymore.

Saddam's statue is toppled in a carefully-orchestrated "spontaneous" act.
Iraq full of dead citizens, bombed homes and buildings and sliding toward chaos.

Chaos increases.
Bush says this shows freedom is on the march.

Always throw rocks at a hornet's nest down the street instead of ridding your own back yard of a diseased rat. If you don't read much about hornets and their behavior, you might be convinced they could eventually become your friends. If, on the other hand, you had continued to hunt down and destroy that rat you could then have concentrated on eradicating the disease he carried.

But that would make too much sense, wouldn't it?

OOPS!!! THAT DISEASE JUST BROKE OUT IN OTHER BACK YARDS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD!!!




Are we really better off than we were two and a half years ago? Yes.

[On Fire]

Daily Impeachment Check: Sorry commies, NOT TODAY.

[Gerald]

Daily Impeachment Check: Sorry commies, NOT TODAY.Daily mold check: that joke is downright fuzzy. Yuck!

[Frank Ernest]

Dad and friends help Bush get elected.
Cheney is designated driver and chaperone.

Outgoing Clinton administration warns Bush about bin Laden.
Bush tells his attorney general to forget terrorism, focus on drug busts.

Bush gets secret breifing "Bin Laden determined to strike U.S." in August.
Bush goes on vacation.

Terrorists attack America.
Bush reads to schoolkids with the most amazing look on his face.

Nineteen of the hijackers came from Saudi Arabia.
Prince Bandahar remains Bush family friend while Saudi princes go to Crawford.

Entire country united, America invades the Taliban in Afghanistan.
Buildings, roads, econmic assistance are promised.

Bin Laden not found, said to have escaped to Pakistan.
Bush bombs Baghdad, now claims he doesn't think too much about bin Laden anymore.

Saddam's statue is toppled in a carefully-orchestrated "spontaneous" act.
Iraq full of dead citizens, bombed homes and buildings and sliding toward chaos.

Chaos increases.
Bush says this shows freedom is on the march.

Always throw rocks at a hornet's nest down the street instead of ridding your own back yard of a diseased rat. If you don't read much about hornets and their behavior, you might be convinced they could eventually become your friends. If, on the other hand, you had continued to hunt down and destroy that rat you could then have concentrated on eradicating the disease he carried.

But that would make too much sense, wouldn't it?

OOPS!!! THAT DISEASE JUST BROKE OUT IN OTHER BACK YARDS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD!!!
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz :yawn: Oh, another re-run. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[aikido7]

"Although the president has encouraged full cooperation with the special prosecutor," he adds, "administration officials have not appeared eager to explain fully their roles"

Daily Impeachment Check: Sorry commies, NOT TODAY.

[Frank Ernest]

"Although the president has encouraged full cooperation with the special prosecutor," he adds, "administration officials have not appeared eager to explain fully their roles"
zzzzzzzzzzzzzz !!! :wazzup: Special Prosecutor? Oh, well. :yawn: :sleep: zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[aikido7]

zzzzzzzzzzzzzz !!! :wazzup: Special Prosecutor? Oh, well. :yawn: :sleep: zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

...The law is clear that in a perjury prosecution under 18 U.S.C. ' 1621, the falsity of a statement alleged to be perjurious cannot be established by the testimony of just one witness. This ancient common law rule, referred to as the "two-witness rule, " has survived repeated challenges to its legitimacy, and has been judicially recognized as the standard of proof for perjury prosecutions brought under ' 1621. See, e.g., Weiler v. United States, 323 U.S. 606, 608-610 (1945) (discussing the history and policy rationales of the two-witness rule); United States v. Chaplin, 25 F.3d 1373, 1377-78 (7th Cir. 1994) (two-witness rule applies to perjury prosecutions)

Special Prosecutor Fitzgerald has stated in court pleadings that he already knows the identity of the senior white house official who broke the law--"knowingly or unknowingly."

Lying to the US Congress is a felony. Lying to the American citizens is a travesty.

[Delmar]

Daily mold check: that joke is downright fuzzy. Yuck!
Yeah like this tired old thread, would I think, be his point.

[Delmar]

Lying to the US Congress is a felony. Lying to the American citizens is a travesty.
Bill Clinton believed it based on the same intel as did JF Kerry.

[Frank Ernest]

Bill Clinton believed it based on the same intel as did JF Kerry.
Here's some background on what :aikido:7 is frothing about.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A32380-2005Apr6.html

[aikido7]

Here's some background on what :aikido:7 is frothing about.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A32380-2005Apr6.html
Your willingness to look elsewhere besides www.newsmax.com for some perspective beyond posting smilies is surprising and gratifying to me--and it is a step in the right direction!

There has also been a report out (and it is only an unconfirmed report to me at this point)--I need to do some more reading and checking, that one of the emails written by Cooper told his boss that he spoke to Rove personal and confidentially on "extreme super secrecy" and asked that the information not be credited to Rove.

This comes from a friend's email so we need to sit back and see what happens, Frank. Remember all the hoopla and conclusion-jumping that ensued about the Teri Shaivo Talking Points "forgery"? And the Dr. Frist (and many others') diagnosis that Teri could "talk, speak, etc." with one-half a brain stem?

Don't you think that if Fox News had existed in 1970, "Watergate" would be re-framed as "Assault on the Presidency." A loud and boorish "SHUT UP" (Bill O'Reilly style) is not going to cut it.

Truth is that which highlights the conflict between opposed ideologies. And conflict--because it is not black and white--can only open us up to new possiblities. Conflict is magic--not an end in itself as the secular mind often sees. As long as the investigation is not hampered by opinion, deceit or agenda, we should welcome it. But that means we all need to be informed to participate in the conversation.

We should not be afraid of the journey to truth as a healthy quest for what we often lose touch with inside ourselves. It is no less important than the mythic spirit of Homer's Odysseus and King Arthur's knights of the round table. And it has its share of cyclops, sirens, swords and grateful maidens.

[aikido7]

I just did a cursory read on the Cooper email re: Rove on www.drudgereport.com. There is a link there if you have time to read it. To me it seemed Rove talked to a few people and compartmentalized and spun the conversation differently to everyone he talked to.

Politics.

It reminds me of "Founding Father" political spin-doctoring when people quote what Washington, Lincoln and Jefferson said in public and conveninetly ignore what they said in their private conversation and letters.

[simply one]

hey everyone. Its good to be back reading Aikido's facts, points, and ramblings, and to watching Frank bury his head in the ground and snoring.

Anyways, I wouldn't be suprised if Karl Rove was behind this. That man is one of the slimiest and heartless men in modern politics.

The right points to critics like Michael Moore, yours truly, and Ward Churchill, the Colorado professor who points out the gaping chasm between America's high-falooting rhetoric and its historical record. But these bête noires are guilty only of the all-American actions of criticism and dissent, not to mention speaking uncomfortable truths to liars and deniers. As far as we know, no one on what passes for the "left" (which would be the center-right anywhere else) has betrayed the United States in the GWOT. No anti-Bush progressive has made common cause with Al Qaeda, Hamas, the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan or any other officially designated "terrorist" group. No American liberal has handed over classified information or worked to undermine the CIA.

from http://news.yahoo.com/s/ucru/20050704/cm_ucru/karlroveworsethanosamabinladen/nc:742

Somewhat of an OP-ED article, but still has thoughtful points, and the guy writing it doesn't seem to like any part (left or right) of the current government.

[Delmar]

Face it, Jack: this little bit of unpleasantness was fought because of one thing: oil. That much is becoming more obvious every day.
If it was all about oil he picked the wrong target. He should have declared war against Greenpaece and the Green Party and started drilling in ANWR and increased exploration in the Gulf of Mexico.

[aikido7]

hey everyone. Its good to be back reading Aikido's facts, points, and ramblings, and to watching Frank bury his head in the ground and snoring.Frank needs his sleep. All of this fact-finding and information deluge is making him tired!

Hey--"rambling"? "RAMBLING"?

I certainly don't see it that way so it must not be true and you must be crazy!

[Frank Ernest]

Your willingness to look elsewhere besides www.newsmax.com for some perspective beyond posting smilies is surprising and gratifying to me--and it is a step in the right direction!
:darwinsm: You are one of the more devious and perverse psychobabbling manipulators I've encountered in quite some time.

There has also been a report out (and it is only an unconfirmed report to me at this point)--I need to do some more reading and checking, that one of the emails written by Cooper told his boss that he spoke to Rove personal and confidentially on "extreme super secrecy" and asked that the information not be credited to Rove.
:darwinsm: Yup. Find some "facts" to fit the pre-determined outcome.

This comes from a friend's email so we need to sit back and see what happens, Frank. Remember all the hoopla and conclusion-jumping that ensued about the Teri Shaivo Talking Points "forgery"? And the Dr. Frist (and many others') diagnosis that Teri could "talk, speak, etc." with one-half a brain stem?
Oops! Terri Shiavo's murder is irrelevant to the current subject and you are grossly misstating the case anyway.

Don't you think that if Fox News had existed in 1970, "Watergate" would be re-framed as "Assault on the Presidency." A loud and boorish "SHUT UP" (Bill O'Reilly style) is not going to cut it.
No, I don't and Watergate is also irrelevant.

Truth is that which highlights the conflict between opposed ideologies. And conflict--because it is not black and white--can only open us up to new possiblities. Conflict is magic--not an end in itself as the secular mind often sees. As long as the investigation is not hampered by opinion, deceit or agenda, we should welcome it. But that means we all need to be informed to participate in the conversation.
:darwinsm: What a garbled sophomoric mess that is!

We should not be afraid of the journey to truth as a healthy quest for what we often lose touch with inside ourselves. It is no less important than the mythic spirit of Homer's Odysseus and King Arthur's knights of the round table. And it has its share of cyclops, sirens, swords and grateful maidens.
:darwinsm: If you ever figure out which planet you're either from or on, let me know.

[aikido7]

FrankErnest, here it is again so that even a five-year-old should be able to understand:

I was surprised you provided a link from the Washington Post. I made the assumption you were broadening your outlook and it sort of tickled me. I was obviously wrong. I manipulated myself, it seems.

The Washington Post's Leonnig has described some facts and a close pal of mine found some more--which were shortly confirmed on the Internet. Again, let's just sit back and see what happens where these facts eventually take us.

The Terri Shaivo case is relevant because subsequent facts have shown that many of the headline-grabbers and talk show wannabe pundits had an agenda for their own narrow, political self-interest. Apparently they were not interested in those who tried to argue for facts and evidence. Stack up the results of the autopsy alongside the ravings of the Randall Terrys and the carnival of fools camped out in front of the hospice. And, as I remember, you and BillyBob jumped out early with the "Another Democrat Forgery" about the actual talking points from the GOP strategy book!

Watergate is relevant because Nixon lied and was caught and Bush is lying and hopefully will be caught. Do you have a Bill O'Reilly smilie for "Shut Up"?

Truth, like God, is bigger and more complex than you imagine. Bigger and more complex than you can imagine. Conflict has a bad rap. If it weren't for the magic of conflict we wouldn't learn anything new. Investigation should be encouraged.

The truth sometimes hurts and that's why some people are afraid of it. Denial is a cover for that pain.

Frank--pick one or two from the assortment below:


:zoomin: :confused: :sleep: :hammer: :mario: :sinapisN: :kookoo: :madmad: :sam: :dog: :o :eek:

[Frank Ernest]

FrankErnest, here it is again so that even a five-year-old should be able to understand:
:yawn:

I was surprised you provided a link from the Washington Post. I made the assumption you were broadening your outlook and it sort of tickled me. I was obviously wrong. I manipulated myself, it seems.
:confused: I read the Post quite often. OH, I see, I'm supposed to BELIEVE everything I read (as long as :Commie: :aikido:7 approves content).

The Washington Post's Leonnig has described some facts and a close pal of mine found some more--which were shortly confirmed on the Internet. Again, let's just sit back and see what happens where these facts eventually take us.
Heads-Up:
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8525978/site/newsweek/

The Terri Shaivo case is relevant because subsequent facts have shown that many of the headline-grabbers and talk show wannabe pundits had an agenda for their own narrow, political self-interest. Apparently they were not interested in those who tried to argue for facts and evidence. Stack up the results of the autopsy alongside the ravings of the Randall Terrys and the carnival of fools camped out in front of the hospice. And, as I remember, you and BillyBob jumped out early with the "Another Democrat Forgery" about the actual talking points from the GOP strategy book!
General Failure Reading Disk. :doh:

Watergate is relevant because Nixon lied and was caught and Bush is lying and hopefully will be caught. Do you have a Bill O'Reilly smilie for "Shut Up"?
:darwinsm: My car is red, therefore, all cars are red. WOW! Relevancy - :aikido:7 :Commie:-style.

Truth, like God, is bigger and more complex than you imagine. Bigger and more complex than you can imagine. Conflict has a bad rap. If it weren't for the magic of conflict we wouldn't learn anything new. Investigation should be encouraged.
Why are your posts so replete with schizophrenic babbling? :cloud9:

The truth sometimes hurts and that's why some people are afraid of it. Denial is a cover for that pain.
Then you must be in continual pain. Sorry to see that. :eek:

Frank--pick one or two from the assortment below:


:zoomin: :confused: :sleep: :hammer: :mario: :sinapisN: :kookoo: :madmad: :sam: :dog: :o :eek:
I pick the one which most closely resembles your postings. :kookoo:

[On Fire]

Monday Morning Impeachment Check: NOT TODAY, COMMIES

[Gerald]

Yeah like this tired old thread, would I think, be his point.Nah, OF just doesn't know how to vary the forms of abuse he metes out... :chuckle:

[On Fire]

Nah, OF just doesn't know how to vary the forms of abuse he metes out... :chuckle:
Well if it isn't the one trick pony himself.

[Gerald]

Well if it isn't the one trick pony himself.That's what folks around here expect of me, and I make no pretenses otherwise.

You claim that you try to be better than that. I have yet to see it. Perhaps I'm looking on the wrong thread...?

[On Fire]

That's what folks around here expect of me, and I make no pretenses otherwise.

You claim that you try to be better than that. I have yet to see it. Perhaps I'm looking on the wrong thread...?
It's hard to see restraint. :madmad:

[Gerald]

It's hard to see restraint. :madmad:So, be unrestrained, for once!

Unleash that Id Monster! Inflict some pain and suffering! Revel in mindless, heartless mayhem!

Treat your opponents as objects, not human beings; it makes destroying them that much easier.

You might hate yourself in the morning, but it'll pass... ;)

[simply one]

From http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=6886 :

First, Rove Denied Any Involvement

August of 2004: Rove Claimed He Did Not Know Who Plame W
as. In August of 2004, facing questions of his role in the Plame leak scandal, Rove denied his involvement, saying that he did not even know who Plame was at the time of the leak. "Well, I’ll repeat what I said to ABC News when this whole thing broke some number of months ago. I didn’t know her name and didn’t leak her name." [CNN, 7/4/05]

But Now That the Heat Is On, Rove Changes His Story

Rove’s Lawyer Confirmed He Had Contact with Reporters About Plame. During interviews with the Los Angeles Times and Newsweek magazine, Rove’s personal lawyer, Robert Luskin, revealed that Rove had spoken to Time magazine reporter Matthew Cooper days before Bob Novak ran his column outing Valerie Plame, and that Cooper interviewed Rove for his story on Plame. The same Newsweek article also contained quotes from "lawyers representing clients sympathetic to the White House" that said internal Time magazine emails between Cooper and his editors, identify Rove as Cooper’s source. These admission contradicted earlier statements by White House staff that Rove had not revealed Plame’s identity to any reporters. [Los Angeles Times, 7/3/05; Newsweek, 7/11/05]

And Conservatives say KERRY was a flip-flopper :ha:

It should be interesting to see how Rove's story will continue to evolve as Fitzgerald uncovers more evidence...

But, *unfortunately* looking at the majority of Americans, who simply swallow up what Big Pappy Bush and the White House Crew tell them without even thinking of what they had been told the day before, I doubt there will be very much outroar, or even and out-peep. :doh:

The willingness of most people to simply take whatever they are told today as truth, without even looking at what they were told a year ago is pathetic. And people ask why American culture and society is detiorating...

[Delmar]

Monday Morning Impeachment Check: NOT TODAY, COMMIES
:BRAVO:

[Skeptic]

Yeah like this tired old thread, ... "Tired old threads" don't get the number of posts and views this thread has gotten! :D

[Delmar]

"Tired old threads" don't get the number of posts and views this thread has gotten! :DThe fact that you have not been able to wear down Frank, On Fire and BillyBob does not prove that this is not a "Tired old thread"

[Delmar]

Oh BTW the If Bush lied about Iraq,... thread was tired before you started it. You had allready worn out the Bush lied theme on this thread.

[Holly]

:darwinsm: Big IF there. I think John Conyers is into his second week of "studying" the matter.

:darwinsm: :yawn: :sleep: zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
You "think" he is? I guess they must not link to his blog from World Nuts Daily. You make it sound as it Conyers is off in some little room quietly avoiding the subject, but (as usual) nothing could be further from the truth:
http://www.conyersblog.us/archives/00000161.htm
:BRAVO:

[aikido7]

"Vice President Cheney and his most senior aide made multiple trips to the CIA over the past year to question analysts studying Iraq's weapons programs and alleged links to al Qaeda, creating an environment in which some analysts felt they were being pressured to make their assessments fit with the Bush administration's policy objectives, according to senior intelligence officials."

no. No! NO WAY!!!!!!

http://www.conyersblog.us/archives/00000161.htm

[Holly]

Oh, and here' s something else they probably didn't print in World Nuts Daily: the transcript of the latest White House press briefing. I (almost) felt sorry for Scott McClellan----he had to stand there and take the heat for the pack of lies that have been coming out of Washington all this time. I bet he wished he still had the services of the homosexual prostitute James Guckert a.k.a. Jeff Gannon a.k.a. "hot military stud", whom they used to trick out as a member of the White House press corps to lob softball questions before everyone wised up.
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000977098
:darwinsm: :darwinsm: :darwinsm: :darwinsm: :darwinsm: :darwinsm: :darwinsm: :darwinsm: :darwinsm:

[aikido7]

Scott McClellan is a godly public servant chosen by our president. Leave him alone.

[Holly]

I (almost) felt sorry for Scott McClellan----he had to stand there and take the heat for the pack of lies that have been coming out of Washington all this time. I bet he wished he still had the services of the homosexual prostitute James Guckert a.k.a. Jeff Gannon a.k.a. "hot military stud", whom they used to trick out as a member of the White House press corps to lob softball questions before everyone wised up.
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/e...t_id=1000977098


For those who aren't familiar with James Guckert d.b.a. Jeff Gannon, here is a pic of him (one of the few suitable to post) from the gay escort web site where he rented himself out for $1200 a weekend, when he was also a frequent visitor at the Bush White House and posing as a "journalist". Don't let the military dog tag fool you, though; he may have serviced, but he never served:
http://photos4.flickr.com/4619230_4cb8b2f034.jpg

[Skeptic]

Scott McClellan is a godly public servant chosen by our president. Leave him alone. Let's pray for Scott McClellan ...


I watched the entire White House press briefing live on C-span.
Poor Scott. :darwinsm:

[Frank Ernest]

You "think" he is? I guess they must not link to his blog from World Nuts Daily. You make it sound as it Conyers is off in some little room quietly avoiding the subject, but (as usual) nothing could be further from the truth:
http://www.conyersblog.us/archives/00000161.htm
:BRAVO:

http://www.johnconyers.com/index.asp?Type=CONTRIBUTION&SEC={E114EDF0-5461-49B1-B834-CED253FA9DEA}/

:darwinsm: :hammer: :cloud9:

[simply one]

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000977098
:darwinsm: :darwinsm: :darwinsm: :darwinsm: :darwinsm: :darwinsm: :darwinsm: :darwinsm: :darwinsm:

McClellan was drowning! I mean, how many ways can you say "we don't want to actually admit that we screwed up, so please stop asking these questions"?

I'd feel bad for him, if he was not the mouth of a lying administration.

:darwinsm::darwinsm::darwinsm::darwinsm:

[simply one]

http://www.johnconyers.com/index.asp?Type=CONTRIBUTION&SEC={E114EDF0-5461-49B1-B834-CED253FA9DEA}/

:darwinsm: :hammer: :cloud9:

Frank... if you have not noticed, money runs everything in modern day politics. :dunce:

[simply one]

Hey hey, McClellan's getting roasted as we speak by reporters, and he's once again refusing to comment, he will not even stand by his statement he made in September 2003(when he said Rove did not expose Plume's identity).

[Frank Ernest]

Frank... if you have not noticed, money runs everything in modern day politics. :dunce:
Not according to you :Commie:s. It's the value of your ideas that people vote for. At least, that what I hear whenever you :Commie:s fail to raise funds. :dizzy:

[Frank Ernest]

Hey hey, McClellan's getting roasted as we speak by reporters, and he's once again refusing to comment, he will not even stand by his statement he made in September 2003(when he said Rove did not expose Plume's identity).
Well, simpleton, it's like this. McClellan can't comment because of an ongoing criminal investigation. You :Commie:s know that, but we're used to your political fanaticism outrunning good judgment and common sense. Especially when in front of a camera. :o

[simply one]

Well, simpleton, it's like this. McClellan can't comment because of an ongoing criminal investigation. You :Commie:s know that, but we're used to your political fanaticism outrunning good judgment and common sense. Especially when in front of a camera. :o


Sooo... Back in 2003 when the investigation was also ongoing, it was perfectly OK to deny any and all involvement? But now that it has been exposed that KR was involved, its OK to be hypocritical and say "no comment"?

[simply one]

Not according to you :Commie:s. It's the value of your ideas that people vote for. At least, that what I hear whenever you :Commie:s fail to raise funds. :dizzy:

The left raised plenty of money last election, but the difference is that they recieve more donations from common American people, say $50 each from 100 people, unlike the Republicans, who promise thier corporate buddies kickbacks and recieve on donation of, say, $50,000.