Revelation On The Hidden Language

[Squeaky]

HIDDEN LANGUAGE (HOLY SPIRIT LANGUAGE)(MEAT)

1 Cor 2:4-5
4 And my speech and my preaching were not with persuasive words of human wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power,
5 that your faith should not be in the wisdom of men but in the power of God.
1 Cor 2:6-7
6 However, we speak wisdom among those who are mature, yet not the wisdom of this age, nor of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing.
7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God ordained before the ages for our glory,
Matt 13:10-11
10 And the disciples came and said to Him, "Why do You speak to them in parables?"
11 He answered and said to them, "Because it has been given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given.
Matt 13:13-14
13 "Therefore I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand.
14 "And in them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled, which says: 'Hearing you will hear and shall not understand, and seeing you will see and not perceive;
1 Cor 14:10
10 There are, it may be, so many kinds of languages in the world, and none of them is without significance.
1 Cor 14:7-8
7 Even things without life, whether flute or harp, when they make a sound, unless they make a distinction in the sounds, how will it be known what is piped or played?
8 For if the trumpet makes an uncertain sound, who will prepare himself for battle?
Rom 8:27
27 Now He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the spirit is, because He makes intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
James 3:17
17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, willing to yield, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality and without hypocrisy.
Matt 13:16-17
16 "But blessed are your eyes for they see, and your ears for they hear;
17 "for assuredly, I say to you that many prophets and righteous men desired to see what you see, and did not see it, and to hear what you hear, and did not hear it.
Matt 13:18-19
18 "Therefore hear the parable of the sower:
19 "When anyone hears the word of the kingdom, and does not understand it, then the wicked one comes and snatches away what was sown in his heart. This is he who received seed by the wayside.
Mark 4:14
14 "The sower sows the word.
John 14:26
26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
John 3:34
34 "For He whom God has sent speaks the words of God, for God does not give the Spirit by measure.
John 3:33
33 "He who has received His testimony has certified that God is true.
Eph 1:9
9 having made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His good pleasure which He purposed in Himself,
2 Cor 5:5
5 Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.
2 Cor 5:7
7 For we walk by faith, not by sight.
2 Cor 5:10-11
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.
11 Knowing, therefore, the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are well known to God, and I also trust are well known in your consciences.
Matt 4:4
4 But He answered and said, "It is written, 'Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.'"
Rev 22:18-19
18 For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book;
19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
(NKJ)
There are many languages in the world. Doctors have one, lawyers have one, intellectuals have one, common people have one. Seeing that the only guaranteed message in the bible comes from the Holy Spirit. So to guard that guarantee He even uses a special language. And the Holy Spirit only quotes verses, He explains verses with other verses. There are spirits in us trying to deceive us and they all speak the same language carnal. So we can discern the Holy Spirit He quotes verses. Now this is the meat understanding of the Word. The milk understanding is done with the carnal language, the meat understanding is done with only verses.

II Jn 1:8-11
8 Look to yourselves, that we do not lose those things we worked for, but that we may receive a full reward.
9 Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son.
10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him;
11 for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds.
(NKJ)

[Tamiryl Auvahn]

No doubt about it for me verses speak louder than persuassion but someone had to write those verses in the first place.

Do you think that Paul ever thought that after he left this world that poeple would collect his letters and call them "The Word of God" He probally would have ripped his clothes off if he knew while he was alive.

I believe the Word of God is in it but I also believe that any truth spoken by inspiration of the Holy Spirt will be backed by God even in this day and age. It won't contradict what is already declared either by the prophets and apostles.

I read the Epistle of Barnabas and no doubt he was gifted man with revealation. But I can find some things he says and even what Pauls says I have to wonder about and question though. It's a fact that even Pauls evolved in his writings.

My point is that I am glad you use the verses to display a point/revealation. The ultimate is the revealations you mentioned though and they come from the Holy Spirit directly don't you think? Via the verses but then afterwards the Spirit can take you a little deeper than what you just read even and you might not find exactly what is told to you in any verses exactly.

I could read your commentaries on all your posts here and say that for me they are "verses" because truth is truth. I could even collect all your commentaries and put them in a book after you leave this world and say it's scripture for me (verses).

Did you think that Paul recieved his revelations by reading the law and the prophets (verses) or did Paul get his revelations directly from God through the Holy Spirit?

The first believers in Christ after the ressurection had no "verses" like we do today. Probally relied on the Holy Spirit more through prophecy (inspired teaching). Of course they had knowlege of the torah. prophets and psalms etc etc. They even believed in "verses" that today we don't accept as such.

We have all these "verses" today and more crap nonsense than ever before being spewed out. Then when someone like you paints it in black and white like you do about "One God" they still don't get it. People are going to believe what they want to believe no matter how much versus we but in front of them it seems. So again my point is if someone isn't connected to the Holy Spirit it is a waste of time trying to get through to them even if you have verses. Still we try but it shows that there is something bigger at work going on behind the scences.

Before I even knew one verse of scripture I knew there was One God. Not three of them. That is a revelation. That was the Holy Spirit drawing me in then.

I really get a blast from your posts here and agree with them all. You never answered my private message. Do you have a web site and if you don't why not? Do you teach in person somewhere?

[Behira]

The Ancient Ones who were scribes and wrote the Torah scrolls; understood the Word was the Spirit. However, it's not the words that illuminate it is the spirit within you; His spirit in you reveals to you from the word. Paul and the rest only had the Hebrew scriptures; that is what they taught from and yes a matter had to have two or three witness; the Law, the Prophets and also the Psalms. So if you were sharing scripture with a Jew and you wanted to offer some enlightenment; you'd have reference the Torah/Law; and the Prophets at least; but to really impress something from thePsalms as well.

Jesus told the students to wait for Him and He woudl send the Holy Spirit. Well it was the Feast of Shavout (Pentacost) becasue of the Torah and their practice they knew where to go and what to do. There would have been specific scriptures they read that day, very likely reading about Mt. Sinai; and prayer, men reading the same psalms in Hebrew in unison or one accord; and what they read that day brought who Jesus was in to a fuller understanding; ah He is YHVH! the G-d on the Mountain, the fire in the bush! so they lit up like light bulbs (fire on their heads; a revelation); fire on the tounges;(praising G-d in Hebrew) they were definitly energized !

Have you ever heard Jewish men pray psalms together in unison in Hebrew? it sounds like the sound of might rushing waters; no kidding it does, I heard it with my own ears. And it resonates in your soul; even if you don't understand the language!

[Squeaky]

Tami you said
Before I even knew one verse of scripture I knew there was One God. Not three of them. That is a revelation. That was the Holy Spirit drawing me in then.

I said

Matt 16:17-18
17 Jesus answered and said to him, "Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.
18 "And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.
(NKJ)

[1stresurrection]

There is a hidden language by the demon of Pentecostalism. The language of spirit which is the tongues of angels uses the functions of intuition, communion and conscience.

IT IS IMPERATIVE that a believer know he has a spirit, since, as we shall soon learn, every communication of God with man occurs there. If the believer does not discern his own spirit he invariably is ignorant of how to commune with God in the spirit. He easily substitutes the thoughts or emotions of the soul for the works of the spirit. Thus he confines himself to the outer realm, unable ever to reach the spiritual realm.

I Corinthians 2. 11 speaks of "the spirit of the man which is in him." 1 Corinthians 5.4 mentions "my spirit." Romans 8.16 says "our spirit." 1 Corinthians 14.14 uses "my spirit." I Corinthians 14.32 tells of the "spirits of prophets." Proverbs 25.28 refers to "his own spirit." Darby Hebrews 12.23 record "the spirits of just men." Zechariah 12.1 states that "the Lord ... formed the spirit of man within him."

The above Scripture verses sufficiently prove that we human beings do possess a human spirit. This spirit is not synonymous with our soul nor is it the same as the Holy Spirit. We worship God in this spirit.

According to the teaching of the Bible and the experience of believers, the human spirit can be said to comprise three parts; or, to put it another way, one can say it has three main functions. These are conscience, intuition and communion.

The conscience is the discerning organ which distinguishes right and wrong; not, however, through the influence of knowledge stored in the mind but rather by a spontaneous direct judgment. Often reasoning will justify things which our conscience judges. The work of the conscience is independent and direct; it does not bend to outside opinions. If man should do wrong it will raise its voice of accusation. Intuition is the sensing organ of the human spirit. It is so diametrically different from physical sense and soulical sense that it is called intuition. Intuition involves a direct sensing independent of any outside influence. That knowledge which comes to us without any help from the mind, emotion or volition comes intuitively. We really "know" through our intuition; our mind merely helps us to "Understand." The revelations of God and all the movements of the Holy Spirit are known to the believer through his intuition. A believer must therefore heed these two elements: the voice of conscience and the teaching of intuition. Communion is worshiping God. The organs of the soul are incompetent to worship God. God is not apprehended by our thoughts, feelings or intentions, for He can only be known directly in our spirits. Our worship of God and God's communications with us are directly in the spirit. They take place in "the inner man," not in the soul or outward man.

We can conclude then that these three elements of conscience, intuition and communion are deeply interrelated and function coordinately. The relationship between conscience and intuition is that conscience judges according to intuition; it condemns all conduct which does not follow the directions given by intuition. Intuition is related to communion or worship in that God is known by man intuitively and reveals His will to man in the intuition. No measure of expectation or deduction gives us the knowledge of God.

From the following three groups of Scripture verses it can readily be observed that our spirits possess the function of conscience (we do not say that the spirit is conscience), the function of intuition (or spiritual sense), and the function of, communion (or worship).

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[Squeaky]

ONLY GUARANTEE (HOLY SPIRIT QUOTING VERSES)
Deut 13:1-3 OLD TESTAMENT
1 "If there arises among you a prophet or a dreamer of dreams, and he gives you a sign or a wonder,
2 "and the sign or the wonder comes to pass, of which he spoke to you, saying, 'Let us go after other gods'-- which you have not known--' and let us serve them,'
3 "you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams, for the LORD your God is testing you to know whether you love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.

II Th 2:9-11 NEW TESTAMENT
9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders,
10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie,
1 Tim 6:20-21
20 O Timothy! Guard what was committed to your trust, avoiding the profane and idle babble and contradictions of what is falsely called knowledge--
21 by professing it some have strayed concerning the faith. Grace be with you. Amen.
2 Cor 1:21-22
21 Now He who establishes us with you in Christ and has anointed us is God,
22 who also has sealed us and given us the Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.
John 14:26
26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
Eph 1:13-16
13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,
14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.
15 Therefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints,
16 do not cease to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers:
John 5:37
37 "And the Father Himself, who sent Me, has testified of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His form.
Heb 11:6
6 But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.
Matt 5:45
45 "that you may be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust.
John 1:17-18
17 For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
18 No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.
Heb 8:13
13 In that He says, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
Matt 12:18-21
18 "Behold, My Servant whom I have chosen, my Beloved in whom My soul is well pleased! I will put My Spirit upon Him, and He will declare justice to the Gentiles.
19 He will not quarrel nor cry out, nor will anyone hear His voice in the streets.
20 A bruised reed He will not break, and smoking flax He will not quench, till He sends forth justice to victory;
21 And in His name Gentiles will trust."
Matt 6:14-15
14 "For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you.
15 "But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
John 14:24-26
24 "He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine but the Father's who sent Me.
25 "These things I have spoken to you while being present with you.
26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
2 Cor 5:5
5 Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.
Rom 8:1-2
1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death.
Gal 2:21
21 "I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain."
Gal 5:4-5
4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.
5 For we through the Spirit eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
Gal 5:22-25
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.
24 And those who are Christ's have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
(NKJ)
xxx There is ONLY one guaranteed message from God for today, the Holy Spirit and He only quotes verses. And Christ came to make a way that we can have our own Holy Spirit to teach us. And the new testament is the authority of Jesus Christ. We dont even keep the old testament or those who say thus sayest the Lord. We submit to the new testament Holy Spirit that only quotes verses from the new testament. We live and abide in the doctrine of Christ.

II Jn 1:9-11
9 Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son.
10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him;
11 for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds.
(NKJ)

xxx And anyone who knows the Holy Spirit on a personal basis, would want to prove the Holy Spirit was leading them by showing the verses that the Holy Spirit motivated them with to speak. We as born again christians knows the importance of proving the Holy Spirit is leading us.

Rom 12:2
2 And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
(NKJ)

1 Cor 2:10
10 But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God.
(NKJ)

1Thes 5:21
21 Test all things; hold fast what is good.
(NKJ)

2 Cor 13:5-6
5 Examine yourselves as to whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Do you not know yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you?-- unless indeed you are disqualified.
6 But I trust that you will know that we are not disqualified.
(NKJ)

[Aimiel]

You dis-qualify yourself, if you listen to a spirit which, "only quotes scriptures," to you, from The Truth. The Holy Spirit is not limited in this way. You are listening to and teaching doctrines of demons. This is clear.

[Squeaky]

If you believe that then you cant be a believer in the Word. The Word that the Spirit comes from is this. He only brings to remembrance(quotes verses) what Jesus has ALREADY SAID TO YOU. Which when you read Jesus is speaking to you.

John 14:26
26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
(NKJ)


The Holy Spirit is NOT EVEN allowed to speak on His own authority. But He will take from what is Christs(verses) and declare them(quote) to you.

John 16:13-14
13 "However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.
14 "He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you.
(NKJ)

This Holy Spirit is the ONLY guarantee in the whole Word of God.

2 Cor 5:5
5 Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.
(NKJ)


And this Holy Spirit will ONLY abide in the doctrine of Christ(new testament). And if anyone brings any other doctrine(old testament) we dont even allow them into our house.

II Jn 1:8-11
8 Look to yourselves, that we do not lose those things we worked for, but that we may receive a full reward.
9 Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son.
10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him;
11 for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds.
(NKJ)

And a true believer will never add one thing to it or take one thing away from it. Like adding deity, or God the Son, or God the Holy Spirit, or trinity, WHICH NONE OF THESE ARE IN THE WORD OF GOD.

Rev 22:18-19
18 For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book;
19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
(NKJ)

[Squeaky]

You need to know the hidden language of the Spirit to be spiritual.

[keypurr]

Squeaky Quote:
And this Holy Spirit will ONLY abide in the doctrine of Christ(new testament). And if anyone brings any other doctrine(old testament) we dont even allow them into our house

Without the OT, you can not have complete understanding of Christ and his mission. Christ led his people out of Egypt, he is the great I AM that gave the ten commandments. This world was made by him. Nothing in this world was not made by him. How can you accept the NT without the foundation of the OT? The doctrinsd in the OT have purpose and meaning in the NT. Kind of a shadow of things to come.

[Squeaky]

What you think is complete understanding could be complete deception. Ask yourself this question. If your statement is true, then your implying these verses are wrong.

2 Cor 3:14-15
14 But their minds were blinded. For until this day the same veil remains unlifted in the reading of the Old Testament, because the veil is taken away in Christ.
15 But even to this day, when Moses is read, a veil lies on their heart.
(NKJ)

[Squeakybro]

Here it is again.

[Aimiel]

Originally posted by Squeaky

And a true believer will never add one thing to it or take one thing away from it.Does that mean that you understand that you're not a 'true believer,' since you add the word, "only," and remove part of the verse?

But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. (KJV)

But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall ONLY bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. (Squeakybro Version)

Time for some plagues, and the removal of one name.

[Squeakybro]

You said
Does that mean that you understand that you're not a 'true believer,' since you add the word, "only," and remove part of the verse?

I said
When I quoting a verse that the Holy Spirit gives me I always post where its at. But when I'm talking I give my understanding. Dont tell me you dont know the difference. You always give your opinion. I hope you dont think your opinion is in anyway the Word of God.

[Aimiel]

I believe that I am a living epistle, and when The Lord speaks through me, I always know it. If we serve someone, we loan them our members (voice, etc.) and I serve The Spirit of The Lord. He makes use of me as He wills. I don't propose to add or detract one scripture from The Word of God, but He did not suddenly go silent, or forget how to speak things that were not written in The Word. He is God, and you can't limit The Almighty, because you believe that you see some 'guideline' that He has to follow, simply because of your mis-interpretations or taking verses out of context.

[Squeakybro]

you said
taking verses out of context.

I said
Havent you learned that the scriptures are already written out of context. Havent you learned yet that everything Jesus spoke He spoke in parables. And everything the apostles spoke only spoke the milk understanding. And they both said find the Holy Spirit and learn from Him.

Matt 13:34-35
34 All these things Jesus spoke to the multitude in parables; and without a parable He did not speak to them,
35 that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying: "I will open My mouth in parables; I will utter things kept secret from the foundation of the world."
(NKJ)

1 Cor 3:1-3

1 And I, brethren, could not speak to you as to spiritual people but as to carnal, as to babes in Christ.
2 I fed you with milk and not with solid food; for until now you were not able to receive it, and even now you are still not able;
3 for you are still carnal. For where there are envy, strife, and divisions among you, are you not carnal and behaving like mere men?
(NKJ)

[Daniel50]

I Corinthians
2:15But he who is spiritual discerns all things, and he himself is judged by no one. 2:16"For who has known the mind of the Lord, that he should instruct him?" But we have Christ's mind.

[Aimiel]

It is not just that we have memorized scriptures, or decided that only hearing scriptures is what we should expect, but that The Mind of Christ should be in us, to see and to do what He wants us to.

[Squeakybro]

you said
It is not just that we have memorized scriptures, or decided that only hearing scriptures is what we should expect, but that The Mind of Christ should be in us, to see and to do what He wants us to.

I said

John 12:48-49
48 "He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him-- the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day.
49 "For I have not spoken on My own authority; but the Father who sent Me gave Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak.
(NKJ)

[Aimiel]

Originally posted by Squeakybro

you said
It is not just that we have memorized scriptures, or decided that only hearing scriptures is what we should expect, but that The Mind of Christ should be in us, to see and to do what He wants us to.

I said

John 12:48-49
48 "He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him-- the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day.
49 "For I have not spoken on My own authority; but the Father who sent Me gave Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak.
(NKJ) You're a liar. Jesus said that, not you. Are you trying to tell me that if I reject you, if I don't receive your 'interpretation' of The Word of God, that I will be judged for it? I have not rejected Jesus, only your mis-interpretations of His Words.

[Squeakybro]

you said
You're a liar.
I have not rejected Jesus, only your mis-interpretations of His Words.

I said
I dont see any interpretation there all I see is total submission to the Holy Spirit on my part. Jesus didnt speak on His own authority and I dont speak on my own authority. So who is the liar?

[Squeakybro]

Aimiel you are trying to hard to justify your carnal understanding. I wonder why. What was your childhood like? Do you hate your mom and dad? Do you read your bible daily? Do you have friends?

[Aimiel]

Originally posted by Squeakybro

I dont see any interpretation there...You have added the word 'only' to the verse: "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you." I believe that your mis-interpretation is one of the biggest hinderances upon God in your heart. He wants you to understand that He didn't say, "...only..." in that verse. He is able to do anything, and say anything that He pleases. His Purposes are established by His Word, but He is not limited to repeating it. He is perfectly able to speak, and does, confirming His Word and giving Rhema Words, as He wills.

In your mis-interpretation, Heaven would be boring. Especially after a few years of hearing God speak nothing but verses, and everyone having memorized them, it would soon become mononotonous. The Word says that if what Jesus did while on the earth were written in books, the whole world could not contain the words. Do you think The Holy Spirit is any less? He is not. God is That Spirit, and where The Spirit of The Lord is, there is liberty.

[Squeakybro]

you said
." I believe that your mis-interpretation is one of the biggest hinderances upon God in your heart. He wants you to understand that He didn't say, "...only..." in that verse.

I said
Well arn't you the little hypocrite. Look at the word "said" you cant add anything to that. Not going to say, not might have said, but already said to you. And the only time Jesus has spoken to you is when you read the verses. And for all your other hoopla look at the next verse. The Holy Spirit is NOT ALLOWED TO SPEAK ON HIS OWN AUTHORITY. He cant speak carnally to you.

John 14:26
26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
(NKJ)

John 16:13
13 "However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.
(NKJ)

All that other stuff you said is perversion of the Word

[Aimiel]

The Holy Spirit is not carnal. How can He speak carnally? He is Holy. Duhh. He speaks what He sees. The Lord isn't 'acting out' verses. He shows us The Father. He shows us things to come. These things are not found in scriptures (except in bits and pieces). He is God, and you believe that you can 'box up' God with your ingenious wit. You are not as large as a speck of dust in His Sight, and you believe that you know His Boundaries. He is only bound by Himself, His Own Character. Your trap won't hold Him, because no one can say, "Look, He's here," about God. He lives in men, not in your ideas of what you 'think' The Word means. He is alive. He is not a mockingbird. Neither is He amused by being limited by someone who thinks they have a 'handle' on Him.

[Squeakybro]

you said
Your trap won't hold Him,

I said
Exaggerations dont impress Him. And if you will read the revelations you will see I havent put no limitations on Him. He put them there. So that we can know if we are hearing from the Holy Spirit or our guardian angel or the devil or satan.
Read these. Are these my words or the Lords words?

John 5:37
37 "And the Father Himself, who sent Me, has testified of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His form.
(NKJ)

Heb 1:1-2

1 God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets,
2 has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds;
(NKJ)

John 5:22-23
22 "For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son,
23 "that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.
(NKJ)

In your arrogance you have opened the door for the devil to deceive.

[Aimiel]

The Holy Spirit speaks to us to let us know The Father's Will. He is not limited to your mistaken understanding of only reciting verses. That would make Him the holy mockingbird or the holy tape recorder, which He is NOT. The Lord always confirms His Word, with signs, wonders and miracles. Satan doesn't have this luxury, just yet. He will soon, though.

[Squeakybro]

you said
. The Lord always confirms His Word, with signs, wonders and miracles.

I said
I keep showing you everything with verses, revelations. You keep disputing with no more than your own opinion. I am demonstrating that the Holy Spirit doesnt need carnality to communicate with us. You just dont get it.

Matt 12:39
39 But He answered and said to them, "An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah.
(NKJ)

[Aimiel]

You're right that I don't 'get' it, because it is foolishness to place your own words into The Lord's Mouth. They don't fit. He never said that The Holy Spirit would ONLY quote verses. Don't you understand that you have mis-applied The Word of God to your doctrine of demons? You can't even agree that this simple premise of yours is un-scriptural, much less foolhardy. You need to buy a clue. Your so-called 'revelations' are nothing more than Scriptures quoted out-of-context with no discernable congruity, with illogical and silly conclusions, based entirely upon mis-understandings that you hold dear, because you believe that your 'understanding' that you lean upon, and not The Spirit of The Lord is god. You have a 'form' of Godliness, but you deny The Power Thereof. You're just plain silly. :servent:

[Squeakybro]

you said
You're right that I don't 'get' it, because it is foolishness to place your own words into The Lord's Mouth. They don't fit. He never said that The Holy Spirit would ONLY quote verses

I said
That is an oxymoron. Your placeing your words and your understanding and putting them in the Lords mouth.


John 14:26
26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
(NKJ)

John 16:13-14
13 "However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.
14 "He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you.
(NKJ)

Now again. The Holy Spirit is not allowed to speak on His own authority. But He is allowed to quote verses. Well duh!

[Aimiel]

Please show me where you think that I put any words into The Lord's Mouth. Because you believe that the word ONLY is in John 14:26, or that not speaking on His own Authority (Joyn 16:13) means that He can't tell you what The Father or The Son is doing, you cripple Him. Look at John 16:14. "He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you." Jesus said that The Holy Ghost would take what belongs to Jesus. His Words are not the ONLY thing that He owns, although that would be enough, since all The Words that Jesus has already spoken would more than fill all the books ever printed in the world; but also means that we can have His Thoughts, He is able to reveal to us what God has prepared for us (those of us that love Him and keep His Commandments, one of which is to be entreatable) in Heaven. He can only show us these things if we don't limit Him. The ONLY limits to God's Power in our lives is our ability to believe Him. He doesn't want us to add to or subtract from His Word because to do so, we miss what He meant, and we put false limits upon Him, which He can't violate, because if He did, it would destroy our faith. We need to allow His Spirit to show us what The Word means, not take passages literally and out-of-context and make Him completely useless.

Tell me, do you believe that God, The Father, or God, The Son, have stopped speaking, or that The Words that they spoke which are contained in The Bible are the only words that they will ever speak? :think:

[Squeakybro]

you said
Tell me, do you believe that God, The Father, or God, The Son, have stopped speaking, or that The Words that they spoke which are contained in The Bible are the only words that they will ever speak

I said
Yes, and youve got to be kidding. There is no God the Son in the Word of God anywhere. Show me one verse in the entire Word of God that has the phrase God the Son. That is adding to.

John 5:37-40
37 "And the Father Himself, who sent Me, has testified of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His form.
38 "But you do not have His word abiding in you, because whom He sent, Him you do not believe.
39 "You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me.
40 "But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life.
(NKJ)

You have never heard Gods voice now seen His form, thats biblical.
Again it says

Heb 1:1-2
1 God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets,
2 has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds;
(NKJ)

You are disputing these verses every time you call Jesus God.
You are disagreeing with the verses below every time you call Jesus God. There is only one God the Father.


1 Cor 8:6
6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live.
(NKJ)

Eph 4:6
6 one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
(NKJ)

You are calling Jesus a liar every time you say Jesus is God. When Jesus Himself said that the Father is the only true God.

John 17:1-3

1 Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: "Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You,
2 "as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as You have given Him.
3 "And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.
(NKJ)

[Aimiel]

For unto us A Child is born, unto us A Son is given: and the government shall be upon His Shoulder: and His Name shall be called, "Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."

[Squeakybro]

That is old testament. And anyway this is who they were talking about. That was an accusation from the people.

Isa 8:3
3 And I went unto the prophetess; and she conceived, and bare a son. Then said the LORD to me, Call his name Maher-shalal-hashbaz.
(KJV)

Isa 9:5-6
5 For every battle of the warrior is with confused noise, and garments rolled in blood; but this shall be with burning and fuel of fire.
6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
(KJV)

[Aimiel]

Yes, it is from The Old Testament, which, Jesus said, shall not 'pass away' as you believe that it has. The Word of God is Eternal. Who do you think that The Lord was speaking of when He called His Son's Name, "Emmanuel?"

Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, "Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us."

[Squeakybro]

you still have alot to learn.

John 10:8-9
8 "All who ever came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them.
9 "I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture.
(NKJ)

II Jn 1:9-11
9 Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son.
10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him;
11 for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds.
(NKJ)

[Aimiel]

Amen. I do have a lot more to learn than I know. I do know that you aren't Spirit-Filled, though; and I do know that I am. Your 'doctrine' isn't from The Bible, though, it is from your own mis-understanding. There are no 'Lone Rangers' in The Kingdom.

[Squeakybro]

you said
There are no 'Lone Rangers' in The Kingdom.

I said
Then apparently you dont know who Paul is.

[Aimiel]

He wasn't a Lone Ranger, like yourself, He was filled with The Spirit of The Lord, which you are not.

[Squeakybro]

Like I said you dont know Paul. But some are called but only few are chosen. Its apparent you cant relate to the chosen.

[Aimiel]

I guess I can't, and don't want to, if you're the 'chosen.' I'd rather be lost, and have The Holy Ghost, than be 'chosen' as you believe that you are, and have confusion for my god.

[Squeakybro]

you said
I guess I can't, and don't want to, if you're the 'chosen

I said
That sounds arrogant. It doesnt make any difference what the truth is. You just want it your way or no way. Well I can tell you this that if you dont humble yourself to Gods way you won't make it.

[Aimiel]

Originally posted by Squeakybro

That sounds arrogant.I'm sorry that your reading skills, as well as your discernment are way off-base. I'm not arrogant. I do know The Truth, which has set me free from the types of mis-understandings that still hold you prisoner. You're carnal, lost and confused.It doesnt make any difference what the truth is.Well, speak for yourself. The Truth has made a big difference in my life. I used to be hard-headed and stubborn, just like you are, until I learned the truth about God and about myself.Well I can tell you this that if you dont humble yourself to Gods way you won't make it. That's just not true. If you don't humble yourself to His Wisdom, you won't ever learn anything (you come to mind, Squeakybro) but God is not going to keep anyone out of Heaven, who is saved, but doesn't ever learn what He has provided for them with that salvation; just like He doesn't punish anyone for not being filled with His Spirit, but claiming that they are. Isn't He a Good God? :thumb:

[Squeakybro]

Do you even know what carnal means?
Everything you have said is carnal.

[OMEGA]

Squeaky is Right,

Unless God OPENS your Mind by giving you His Holy Spirit

or having His Holy Spirit open your minds

You cannot fully understand the Word of God

because as the Angel said in Rev 19:10

The Spirit of Jesus is the Spirit of Prophecy.

So then , you cannot fully understand Prophecy unless

you Really have the Spirit of God.


(Rev 19:10 KJV) And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.



11 He answered and said to them, "Because it has been given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given.
Matt 13:13-14
13 "Therefore I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand.
14 "And in them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled, which says: 'Hearing you will hear and shall not understand, and seeing you will see and not perceive;

[Aimiel]

Originally posted by Squeakybro

Do you even know what carnal means?
Everything you have said is carnal. No, it only looks that way to someone who doesn't understand the things that they post and simply cuts and pastes verses without understanding them. You would see the spiritual truths expressed in my words if you had an inkling of what The Word of God means, instead of simply quoting it without living it.

[Aimiel]

Originally posted by OMEGA

Squeaky is Right,

Unless God OPENS your Mind by giving you His Holy Spirit

or having His Holy Spirit open your minds

You cannot fully understand the Word of GodHe has been right on many points, but is in extreme error on far more than he has right. The Holy Spirit has to convict someone of their sin, or they don't know that it even exists. He also testifies to every Truth that we ever come to know, or we wouldn't understand or accept them....because as the Angel said in Rev 19:10

The Spirit of Jesus is the Spirit of Prophecy.That's a mis-quote; the angel said, "The testimony of Jesus is The Spirit of Prophecy." I believe that one of the things that this means is that when we testify of Him to others, that we will become (as The Spirit of The Lord moves and as we allow Him to speak through us) able to speak prophecy over those that we're witnessing to, and that they will see that God is in us, and become saved. I've seen this take place, many times, and enjoy seeing God move, soverignly, upon His servents to bring others into relationship with Him.

[Squeakybro]

Omega that is the way it is done. You will have to excuse Aimiel, he only knows his own opinion.
But for you to show the verses the Holy Spirit is leading you with is the evidence of being led by the Spirit.
Aimiel do you see the difference yet in your testimony and that of Omega.

Rom 12:16
16 Be of the same mind toward one another. Do not set your mind on high things, but associate with the humble. Do not be wise in your own opinion.
(NKJ)

James 1:19
19 So then, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath;
(NKJ)

[Aimiel]

No, other than one of us is attempting to deceive you into believing that his words should be accepted by you as gospel, and he isn't filled with The Holy Spirit any more than you are. You mistake quotation for sound doctrine.

[Squeakybro]

you said
. You mistake quotation for sound doctrine.

I said
That is an oxymoron. You cant tell me that you think your opinion is sound doctrine. please dont tell me you believe that. One would have to be acouple of sandwiches short of a picknic basket to believe that.
Sound doctrine is the verses in the Word of God. To prove one is led by sound doctrine is only their imagination if they dont prove it. And you have never proved to me that you even know what sound doctrine is.

[Aimiel]

If you were filled with The Spirit of The Lord, and were experienced in what you claim (demonstration of Power, by The Spirit) then you would understand what I meant (above), when I said, "I believe that one of the things that this means is that when we testify of Him to others, that we will become (as The Spirit of The Lord moves and as we allow Him to speak through us) able to speak prophecy over those that we're witnessing to, and that they will see that God is in us, and become saved. I've seen this take place, many times, and enjoy seeing God move, soverignly, upon His servents to bring others into relationship with Him."

Having never experienced such a thing, or expressing having done so, is how I know that you're lying when you say that you're filled with The Holy Spirit, and that it is He Who has spoken to you. Your ideas of what the definition of 'doctrine' are would be questionable, at best, due to your having re-defined and mis-understood the most basic premises of salvation and The Identity of Jesus. You don't even recognize that He is God.

[Squeakybro]

you said
I said, "I believe that one of the things that this means is that when we testify of Him to others, that we will become (as The Spirit of The Lord moves and as we allow Him to speak through us) able to speak prophecy over those that we're witnessing to, and that they will see that God is in us, and become saved

I said
Anyone who does not quote the verses does not have the Holy Spirit leading them. They are only guessing. And the reason they dont quote the verses is because they dont have the Word abiding in them.

John 5:38-40
38 "But you do not have His word abiding in you, because whom He sent, Him you do not believe.
39 "You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me.
40 "But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life.
(NKJ)

[Aimiel]

Originally posted by Squeakybro

you said
I said, "I believe that one of the things that this means is that when we testify of Him to others, that we will become (as The Spirit of The Lord moves and as we allow Him to speak through us) able to speak prophecy over those that we're witnessing to, and that they will see that God is in us, and become saved

I said
Anyone who does not quote the verses does not have the Holy Spirit leading them. They are only guessing. And the reason they dont quote the verses is because they dont have the Word abiding in them.

John 5:38-40
38 "But you do not have His word abiding in you, because whom He sent, Him you do not believe.
39 "You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me.
40 "But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life.
(NKJ) Hogwash. Once again, you are adding to The Word of God. Nowhere in The Word of God are we told, "Unless someone quoteth unto thee scripture and verse, they are without The Word of God." You're making a mockery of The Word of God by saying that pig-slop. You are walking after the flesh, or a demon, because The Holy Spirit does not lead people astray.

[i]There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: that the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

[Squeakybro]

Again you put all your faith in your opinion.

Rom 12:16
16 Be of the same mind toward one another. Do not set your mind on high things, but associate with the humble. Do not be wise in your own opinion.
(NKJ)

1 Cor 2:4-5
4 And my speech and my preaching were not with persuasive words of human wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power,
5 that your faith should not be in the wisdom of men but in the power of God.
(NKJ)
You should really go read the revelation on "Intellectual idiots" and study it real hard.

[billwald]

"Unless God OPENS your Mind by giving you His Holy Spirit

or having His Holy Spirit open your minds

You cannot fully understand the Word of God"

This is true, but it doesn't help because God doesn't issue a glow in the dark diploma to people whose minds he has opened. Doesn't Satan also communicate?

[Squeakybro]

Satan communicates carnally. Satan will not quote new testament verses because then he would be glorifying Christ. And every kingdom divided against itself will not stand.

Matt 12:25-28
25 But Jesus knew their thoughts, and said to them: "Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation, and every city or house divided against itself will not stand.
26 "If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then will his kingdom stand?
27 "And if I cast out demons by Beelzebub, by whom do your sons cast them out? Therefore they shall be your judges.
28 "But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, surely the kingdom of God has come upon you.
(NKJ)

[OMEGA]

Squeaky, you will have to Forgive Aimiel.

He means well but he is not as advanced as we in understanding

ALL the Scriptures and putting them together to see the Big Picture.

=====================

Satan can quote scripture but he is not going to waste time on us.

Satan is far too busy causing Wars and Deception of World Leaders.

Only the lesser Demons bother with us right now.

But one day they will have to Pay for their Treachery and Treason.

[Squeakybro]

you said
Squeaky, you will have to Forgive Aimiel.

I said
I do. He should study this verse alot. The carnal tongue can do more damage than good.

James 1:19
19 So then, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath;
(NKJ)

James 3:1-15

1 My brethren, let not many of you become teachers, knowing that we shall receive a stricter judgment.
2 For we all stumble in many things. If anyone does not stumble in word, he is a perfect man, able also to bridle the whole body.
3 Indeed, we put bits in horses' mouths that they may obey us, and we turn their whole body.
4 Look also at ships: although they are so large and are driven by fierce winds, they are turned by a very small rudder wherever the pilot desires.
5 Even so the tongue is a little member and boasts great things. See how great a forest a little fire kindles!
6 And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity. The tongue is so set among our members that it defiles the whole body, and sets on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire by hell.
7 For every kind of beast and bird, of reptile and creature of the sea, is tamed and has been tamed by mankind.
8 But no man can tame the tongue. It is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison.
9 With it we bless our God and Father, and with it we curse men, who have been made in the similitude of God.
10 Out of the same mouth proceed blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not to be so.
11 Does a spring send forth fresh water and bitter from the same opening?
12 Can a fig tree, my brethren, bear olives, or a grapevine bear figs? Thus no spring can yield both salt water and fresh.
13 Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him show by good conduct that his works are done in the meekness of wisdom.
14 But if you have bitter envy and self-seeking in your hearts, do not boast and lie against the truth.
15 This wisdom does not descend from above, but is earthly, sensual, demonic.
(NKJ)

[Aimiel]

The Word of God is not limited, except by our own mis-understanding.

Squeaky, you keep saying the same thing: Squeak, squeak, squeak.

Why don't you get off of that wheel?

[Squeakybro]

you said
Why don't you get off of that wheel?

I said
I believe you climbed up on my wheel. These are the threads I started not you. I am defending the Word of God. You are the heckler.

Phil 1:15-17
15 Some indeed preach Christ even from envy and strife, and some also from good will:
16 The former preach Christ from selfish ambition, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my chains;
17 but the latter out of love, knowing that I am appointed for the defense of the gospel.
(NKJ)

[Aimiel]

If you were appointed for defense of The Gospel, then you would first have to understand it. Having an understanding of the language, preferably your 'first' language, which you read The Gospel in, is a pre-requisite to understanding The Gospel. You have failed on both counts. I wouldn't be 'heckling' you, except you refused to listen to reason, or to fully understand the doctrine that you propose.

[Squeakybro]

you said
I wouldn't be 'heckling' you, except you refused to listen to reason, or to fully understand the doctrine that you propose.

I said
Well atleast you agree that you are a heckler. But you only use your reasoning, carnal reasoning.

Rom 8:5-8
5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be.
8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
(NKJ)

[Aimiel]

Were I carnal, Squeakybro, I would quote scripture and just agree with everything that you say. I will only agree with Truth. Jesus said that He didn't come to bring peace but a sword. He came to bring fire, and wished it was already lit. I'm here to fence with you, using The Word of God as A Weapon, which is able to cut into your life, dividing your soul from your spirit, and allowing you to perceive The Truth, no matter what anyone else has told you, no matter how many lies you have swallowe or whether or not you believe me. Iron sharpens iron. Faithful are the wounds of a friend. I swing The Word of God upon you, and That Sword does you no harm, It merely pierces your heart, and shows you The Light, and It is brightest in the midst of this present darkness. His Word is The Light, we are but reflectors, carriers of His Torch, Jesus is That Torch.

[Squeakybro]

you said
Were I carnal, Squeakybro, I would quote scripture and just agree with everything that you say

I said
You really dont know what carnal means do you. Everything that is NOT quoted out of the Word of God is carnal. Everything you say is carnal. If you were to quote scripture then you wouldnt be carnal.

[Aimiel]

Carnal thought is what is telling you that there is no Holy Spirit Who can give you more than what mere words can. Carnal thinking is what has you bound. You have a 'form' of Godliness, but deny The Power Thereof.

[Squeakybro]

You really should start reading a bible. Now read these real slow.

The Holy Spirit will bring to remembrance by quoting what Jesus has ALREADY SAID TO YOU.
John 14:26
26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
(NKJ)

The Holy Spirit is NOT ALLOWED TO SPEAK ANY OTHER WAY.
John 16:13
13 "However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.
(NKJ)

[Aimiel]

He is not allowed to hear God speak in Heaven, and relay those Words to us? I think that you're severely short-changing God, as well as yourself. He hears everything that God thinks, because That Spirit IS GOD!!!

[brother Willi]

Originally posted by Aimiel

He is not allowed to hear God speak in Heaven, and relay those Words to us? I think that you're severely short-changing God, as well as yourself. He hears everything that God thinks, because That Spirit IS GOD!!!

are you sayin God (The Creator), cant have the Holy Spirit, sent a spirit to you?

[Squeakybro]

I'm sorry I can see the truth and you cant. I dont know what else to show you. Do you know what hardhearted means? Because I think you are hardhearted. You dont have the Word abiding in you or you would quote it. You dont see what I see, and I cant open your eyes. All i can do is hope one day you will actually start reading the Word of God.

John 12:40
40 "He has blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts, lest they should see with their eyes, lest they should understand with their hearts and turn, so that I should heal them."
(NKJ)

[brother Willi]

Originally posted by Squeakybro

I'm sorry I can see the truth and you cant. I dont know what else to show you. Do you know what hardhearted means? Because I think you are hardhearted. You dont have the Word abiding in you or you would quote it. You dont see what I see, and I cant open your eyes. All i can do is hope one day you will actually start reading the Word of God.

John 12:40
40 "He has blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts, lest they should see with their eyes, lest they should understand with their hearts and turn, so that I should heal them."
(NKJ)
i think it more free will.
God hardens our heart?
he lets us do it.

[Aimiel]

Originally posted by brother Willi

are you sayin God (The Creator), cant have the Holy Spirit, sen(d) a spirit to you? If that is what you meant, senD, then, no, I don't believe that He does. I believe there is One God, and that The Holy Spirit is a part of Him, and yet ALL of Him, also; just as Jesus is. He fills us with Himself, which we call, "The Holy Spirit." There is Only One God. :thumb:

[Aimiel]

Originally posted by Squeakybro

I'm sorry I can see the truth and you cant. I dont know what else to show you. Do you know what hardhearted means? Because I think you are hardhearted. You dont have the Word abiding in you or you would quote it. You dont see what I see, and I cant open your eyes. All i can do is hope one day you will actually start reading the Word of God.Squeaky,

My understanding is fine. You don't see that The Lord is in me, because He isn't in you. If you did, you would recognize someone by their fruits, whether or not they ever quote chapter and verse to you. You're spouting legalism, and calling it: "The Holy Ghost." He is Perfect Liberty, not the bondage that you suggest. I not only read The Word of God, but understand it. The biggest reason that I do, is that I don't lean on my own understanding, but I ask for His Understanding, every single time I open the cover. :thumb:

[brother Willi]

Originally posted by Aimiel

If that is what you meant, senD, then, no, I don't believe that He does.
why are we told to test the spirits if there aint no spirits to test?

and why test?
why not "ALL SPIRITS ARE EVIL" ???


I believe there is One God, and that The Holy Spirit is a part of Him, and yet ALL of Him, also; just as Jesus is. He fills us with Himself, which we call, "The Holy Spirit." There is Only One God. :thumb:

i think many say the same thing here.

God is to much for any of us to fully understand.

[Squeakybro]

you said
My understanding is fine. You don't see that The Lord is in me, because He isn't in you. If you did, you would recognize someone by their fruits, whether or not they ever quote chapter and verse to you

I said
No I dont see Him. And I am looking at the fruit of your lips.

Matt 15:8-14
8 'These people draw near to Me with their mouth, and honor Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me.
9 And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.' "
10 When He had called the multitude to Himself, He said to them, "Hear and understand:
11 "Not what goes into the mouth defiles a man; but what comes out of the mouth, this defiles a man."
12 Then His disciples came and said to Him, "Do You know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this saying?"
13 But He answered and said, "Every plant which My heavenly Father has not planted will be uprooted.
14 "Let them alone. They are blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind leads the blind, both will fall into a ditch."
(NKJ)

[Aimiel]

Originally posted by Squeakybro

Matt 15:8-14
8 'These people draw near to Me with their mouth, and honor Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me.
9 And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.' "
10 When He had called the multitude to Himself, He said to them, "Hear and understand:
11 "Not what goes into the mouth defiles a man; but what comes out of the mouth, this defiles a man."
12 Then His disciples came and said to Him, "Do You know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this saying?"
13 But He answered and said, "Every plant which My heavenly Father has not planted will be uprooted.
14 "Let them alone. They are blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind leads the blind, both will fall into a ditch."
(NKJ) Your accusations aren't touching me, because I have been chosen, and can't be found guilty, having been washed clean, in The Blood of The Lamb.

I'm sorry that you believe that my heart is far from The Lord, but it can't be, since He has made His Abode with me, and we share a more intimate relationship than I am able to share with anyone but Him.

I don't worship Him for any reason except the very fact that He is worthy of far more than the best I could ever offer Him, and I'm not teaching any 'commandments' that I have invented, or learned from any man.

The things that you say about The Holy Ghost being limited to only ever quoting The Scriptures is what has defiled you, and you have also taken it as an 'offence' as if I am lying to you, when I tell you the truth, and trying only to do you harm; when, really, all I'm trying to do is open your eyes to the truth.

If I am a blind leader of other blind persons, then I never want to 'see,' because I have my gaze fixed on The Lord, and that is more important than seeing with natural eyes. Who and What I see is far better to me than anything that I've ever seen with my physical eyes.

Squeaky, what do you see? What is The Father doing, right now? What does He think of you? What does He want you to do next? Where has He led you, so far?

[brother Willi]

Originally posted by Aimiel

Your accusations aren't touching me, because I have been chosen, and can't be found guilty, having been washed clean, in The Blood of The Lamb.

true
you will break into tears when your life is shown you by a spirit
you will know forgiveness.

I'm sorry that you believe that my heart is far from The Lord, but it can't be, since He has made His Abode with me, and we share a more intimate relationship than I am able to share with anyone but Him.

with a sword in your hand?

I don't worship Him for any reason except the very fact that He is worthy of far more than the best I could ever offer Him, and I'm not teaching any 'commandments' that I have invented, or learned from any man.
share the Word Jesus gives us all.

The things that you say about The Holy Ghost being limited to only ever quoting The Scriptures is what has defiled you, and you have also taken it as an 'offence' as if I am lying to you, when I tell you the truth, and trying only to do you harm; when, really, all I'm trying to do is open your eyes to the truth.

what i call the Holy Ghost is the part of God that Comands the spirits.


If I am a blind leader of other blind persons, then I never want to 'see,' because I have my gaze fixed on The Lord, and that is more important than seeing with natural eyes. Who and What I see is far better to me than anything that I've ever seen with my physical eyes.
true

[Aimiel]

Originally posted by brother Willi

with a sword in your hand?Yes, I call it my 'peacemaker.' I don't carry it in vain, either. Do you believe that the police are your enemies, or ministers of God, acting on your behalf?what i call the Holy Ghost is the part of God that Comands the spirits.The Eternal Purpose of God is expressed in His Word, and His Spirit shares His Presence with His children. The Lord is That spirit, and where The Spirit of The Lord is, there is Liberty. :thumb:

[brother Willi]

Originally posted by Aimiel

Yes, I call it my 'peacemaker.' I don't carry it in vain, either. Do you believe that the police are your enemies, or ministers of God, acting on your behalf?

not on my behalf,i agreed you need them.
and if you need them, then i must live with them

The Eternal Purpose of God is expressed in His Word, and His Spirit shares His Presence with His children. The Lord is That spirit, and where The Spirit of The Lord is, there is Liberty. :thumb: :thumb:

[Aimiel]

No, you're mistaken. They are acting on your behalf, for they are ministers of God, sent by Him, for your sake. They are a terror to criminals, but to us, they are ministers of God.

For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: for he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.

[brother Willi]

you live in a world that needs a sword

you dont have to

[Aimiel]

As long as there are lost humans and stray demons on this earth, the 'sword' will be necessary. Until Jesus reigns over this earth, there will be wars, and rumors of them. If they invade my block, I'll be ready. If they come to yours, I guess it will be easy pickin's. You're just not using common sense, and not studying your Bible.

[Squeakybro]

Aimiel you have discribed deception by satan.
God put all them what you call limitations on Himself so that we can follow the Word and not be deceived. But everything you have claimed is all the things the Word says satan will do. Wake up

2 Cor 11:14-15
14 And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.
(NKJ)

II Th 2:4-5
4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
5 Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things?
(NKJ)

[Aimiel]

You have shown me nothing, because there is no light in you. You also cannot see the light I'm trying to give you, because of your blindness. If you think that I'm deceived by Satan, please show me where. You have yet to do so. You're deceived, if you think that the hogwash you've been posting is any kind of 'revelation.' The light that is in you is darkness, indeed. You lack basic understanding, and couldn't handle a single true piece of 'meat,' even when I try to spoon-feed it to you. You have allowed yourself to become established, and that is the most dangerous position to be in. You believe that you can't be taught anything by human beings, so you refuse Truth, even when someone seeks only your edification by giving you spoonful after spoonful of it. You're being redundant, and obtuse.

[Squeakybro]

you said
if you think that the hogwash you've been posting is any kind of 'revelation.' The light that is in you is darkness, indeed

I said
Now your mocking Gods Word. I tried to explain to someone one time that if they were deceived they couldnt know. The only way to tell is if they would judge themselves with the Word of God to see if they could accept the verses. You just dont accept any verses as authority over your carnal mind. That is so sad.
Do you reject Paul for having revelations also?

Eph 3:2-4
2 if indeed you have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which was given to me for you,
3 how that by revelation He made known to me the mystery (as I have briefly written already,
4 by which, when you read, you may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ),
(NKJ)

[Aimiel]

Paul really had revelations. You're not Paul. You're not even as bright as the biggest dullard in The Scriptures, Thomas, who recognized Jesus for Who He is, when he said, "My Lord and my God!!!"

[Squeakybro]

Your getting boreing. You talk alot but you dont say anything with any substance in it. Are you a trinitarian?

[Aimiel]

What is a trinitarian?

[Squeakybro]

You REALLY shouldnt be opening your mouth.

James 3:1-11

1 My brethren, let not many of you become teachers, knowing that we shall receive a stricter judgment.
2 For we all stumble in many things. If anyone does not stumble in word, he is a perfect man, able also to bridle the whole body.
3 Indeed, we put bits in horses' mouths that they may obey us, and we turn their whole body.
4 Look also at ships: although they are so large and are driven by fierce winds, they are turned by a very small rudder wherever the pilot desires.
5 Even so the tongue is a little member and boasts great things. See how great a forest a little fire kindles!
6 And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity. The tongue is so set among our members that it defiles the whole body, and sets on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire by hell.
7 For every kind of beast and bird, of reptile and creature of the sea, is tamed and has been tamed by mankind.
8 But no man can tame the tongue. It is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison.
9 With it we bless our God and Father, and with it we curse men, who have been made in the similitude of God.
10 Out of the same mouth proceed blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not to be so.
11 Does a spring send forth fresh water and bitter from the same opening?
(NKJ)

[Aimiel]

I am typing, and I keep my mouth closed when I type, even though I pray, continually. The Lord has told us that we are not to be like a horse or a mule, which have to be turned with a bit and bridle, but we're to allow Him to guide us with His Eye. His Eye (The Holy Ghost) lives inside of me. Can a man take Fire in his belly, and not be burned? Our God is an All-Consuming Fire. His Fire has kindled my very bones. My sustenance comes from Him, The True Bread of Heaven, Jesus.

[brother Willi]

Aimiel
what does Squeakybro's last reply say?

[Aimiel]

Shut up.

[brother Willi]

Originally posted by Aimiel

Shut up.
you sure bout that?

[Squeakybro]

you said
. His Eye (The Holy Ghost) lives inside of me. Can a man take Fire in his belly, and not be burned? Our God is an All-Consuming Fire. His Fire has kindled my very bones. My sustenance comes from Him, The True Bread of Heaven, Jesus.

I said
What in the world is this? And you should listen to willi

[Aimiel]

Originally posted by brother Willi

you sure bout that? Read it, and tell me what you think it says.

[Aimiel]

Originally posted by Squeakybro

you said
. His Eye (The Holy Ghost) lives inside of me. Can a man take Fire in his belly, and not be burned? Our God is an All-Consuming Fire. His Fire has kindled my very bones. My sustenance comes from Him, The True Bread of Heaven, Jesus.

I said
What in the world is this?Application of The Word of God, by someone who has Him living inside of himself. What do you think it is? Do you understand these doctrines, or are you still in the dark?

[brother Willi]

Originally posted by Aimiel

Application of The Word of God, by someone who has Him living inside of himself. What do you think it is? Do you understand these doctrines, or are you still in the dark?

Aimiel, do you understand your point?

[Squeakybro]

??????????????????????/

[brother Willi]

Originally posted by Squeakybro



I said
What in the world is this? And you should listen to willi

well, listen to Jesus, all i do is repeat his Words.

[Aimiel]

You need to understand and appropriate the promises that Jesus made, not just mouth His Words; and especially take them out of their context, as Squeakybro does, and as is the habit of many, who don't know God at all. The Lord will overlook these kinds of errors, for He has mercy that's renewed every single day, but He cannot allow someone to continue to miss out and teach error until some of His Little Ones are led astray. That is why many miss out on a long life, because they don't listen to His Spirit, even when He has to resort to speaking to them through others, because they have turned a deaf ear to Him. He doesn't mind being grieved, even every single day, but when He exhausts His efforts to bring someone to an understanding of Truth, and they refuse Him all day long, every day; well, eventually He will have to allow them to be taken out of the way, if they are hindering someone, or teaching error where He needs there to be pure light. He will not strive with men forever. His patience with sin is not inexhaustible. He will draw the line, and when He does, look out. I pray that you repent before it comes to that.

[Squeakybro]

Aimiel there you go again with your redaric. Long life doesnt mean your blessed, it means you havent made it yet you need more time.
What your saying is Jesus was cursed because He only lived 33 years.

I Jn 2:15-17
15 Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
16 For all that is in the world-- the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life-- is not of the Father but is of the world.
17 And the world is passing away, and the lust of it; but he who does the will of God abides forever.
(NKJ)

[Aimiel]

Originally posted by Squeakybro

Aimiel there you go again with your redaric.What, that I have said, do you believe to be rhetorical?Long life doesnt mean your blessed, it means you havent made it yet you need more time.Then why does The Lord say that we will be blessed with long life if we honor our parents?
What your saying is Jesus was cursed because He only lived 33 years.No, I'm not. He chose to submit to the power of darkness and death for our sake, at the height of His Ministry. He actually became accurssed (since The Word of God says that anyone who is hanged upon a tree {execution}) is cursed. I don't believe that He could have died, had He not submitted to being hung on that cross. :thumb:

[Squeakybro]

you said
What, that I have said, do you believe to be rhetorical?
quote:
Long life doesnt mean your blessed, it means you havent made it yet you need more time.

Then why does The Lord say that we will be blessed with long life if we honor our parents?

I said
Now who do you suppose He is talking to here. When He says honor your parents. Do you think He is talking to grownups or do you think maybe He is refering to children. Duh!

[brother Willi]

Originally posted by Squeakybro

Aimiel there you go again with your redaric. Long life doesnt mean your blessed, it means you havent made it yet you need more time.
What your saying is Jesus was cursed because He only lived 33 years.

I Jn 2:15-17
15 Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
16 For all that is in the world-- the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life-- is not of the Father but is of the world.
17 And the world is passing away, and the lust of it; but he who does the will of God abides forever.
(NKJ) :thumb:

but this dont mean you cant enjoy life.

never get carryed away with the joy and be a problem to your family.

[brother Willi]

Long life might be a gift of joy,

the flesh is short.

1 compared to infinity

[Aimiel]

Originally posted by Squeakybro

Now who do you suppose He is talking to here. When He says honor your parents. Do you think He is talking to grownups or do you think maybe He is refering to children. Duh! Well, I don't think that children will worry about long life, or even do anything because they're told that they can gain it. They don't have any idea what death is, either. He is definitely referring to 'grown-ups' who don't have enough sense to honor their parents unless He commands them to. Do you believe children or grown-ups? It wasn't made clear in your reply.

[brother Willi]

life in the flesh can be a joy, but its nothin to write home about compared to what will

[Squeakybro]

Aimiel what do you do just make this stuff up as you see fit. Dont you ever read before you open your mouth. It starts out with Children, see the word children.

Eph 6:1-4

1 Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right.
2 "Honor your father and mother," which is the first commandment with promise:
3 "that it may be well with you and you may live long on the earth."
4 And you, fathers, do not provoke your children to wrath, but bring them up in the training and admonition of the Lord.
(NKJ)

[Dread Helm]

:troll:

[Squeaky]

Aimiel did you change your name?

[Aimiel]

Yes, Squeaky, I used to go by the pseudonym of famousGandalf7. I changed it to the name that The Lord gave me, years ago, when He instructed me to do so. When I did, it was the first time that anyone knew of that name, other than The Lord and myself. Aimiel means, "God of my people." The Lord is my God, and He is The One Who told me to use this name. I think of food, every time I read it, since it sounds like, "A meal," but you already know I was big on :spam:

There are spirits in us trying to deceive us and they all speak the same language carnal.You really need to do something about this problem. You need to get deliverance from these evil spirits, and, until you do, you will never realize that you are lost, but you will continue to think that you are "the light of the world," and yet you go around trying to spread darkness. Your understanding is darkened, your 'revelations' are darkness and your speech is that of a lost, carnal dead man. :doh:

[Squeaky]

Aimiel you said
You really need to do something about this problem. You need to get deliverance from these evil spirits, and, until you do, you will never realize that you are lost, but you will continue to think that you are "the light of the world," and yet you go around trying to spread darkness. Your understanding is darkened, your 'revelations' are darkness and your speech is that of a lost, carnal dead man

I said
And the only evidence you can share is your opinion????????

[Dread Helm]

If you learn how to use the "Quote" feature it's much easier to read.

[Squeaky]

Thank you.

[Aimiel]

And the only evidence you can share is your opinion?No, quite the contrary, I've given you hundreds of scriptures, and the things that I say and do represent a living epistle, since what I say and do lines up with The Word of God. What you post always diametrically opposes The Word of God, and you don't understand what error you stand in. :confused:

[Squeaky]

Aimiel you said
No, quite the contrary, I've given you hundreds of scriptures, and the things that I say and do represent a living epistle, since what I say and do lines up with The Word of God. What you post always diametrically opposes The Word of God, and you don't understand what error you stand in

I said
Do you chase your tail? You just think YOU LINE UP with the Word. I actually post the Word and even show where it is at so I can be checked. You use one or two words from a verse and add your carnality to it and call that the Word. It isnt. I'm sorry but you are badly deceived

[Aimiel]

I'm sorry but you are badly deceivedSqueaky,

Please show me where you believe I am deceived. I would like to know what you believe I am doing which is against The Word of God or where it is that you believe I don't line up with what The Scriptures say.

[Squeaky]

Aimiel because of the way you rely on your own opinion. And these are just the basics.

Rom 12:16
16 Be of the same mind toward one another. Do not set your mind on high things, but associate with the humble. Do not be wise in your own opinion.
(NKJ)

Because you blaspheme the Holy Spirit in me. You claim the Holy Spirit doesnt just quote verses.

John 14:26
26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
(NKJ)

John 16:13-14
13 "However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.
14 "He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you.
(NKJ)

Because you are deceived into thinking God has sent you and He hasnt.

John 3:34
34 "For He whom God has sent speaks the words of God, for God does not give the Spirit by measure.
(NKJ)

[Aimiel]

Squeaky,

I am of 'the same mind' toward Christians. It just so happens that you aren't one. That is the basic difference between you and I. We believe differently.

The 'helper' that you refer to isn't The Holy Spirit, because if he were, you wouldn't disagree with God's Word, you would produce the fruit which The Holy Spirit always brings. I've seen people with birth defects and even mental retardation produce far more fruit for The Kingdom than you've shown, even all tolled.

I speak to you the words of God, quite often, and you never recognize them as coming from God, since you're not in agreement with Him.

[Squeaky]

Aimiel you said

I am of 'the same mind' toward Christians. It just so happens that you aren't one. That is the basic difference between you and I. We believe differently.

I said
We do believe differently. I am in the meat and your still in the milk. I walk after the Holy Spirit and prove it. You assume you know who the Spirit is and you guess at it.

John 14:26
26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
(NKJ)
I demonstrate the Spirit. While you demonstrate your arrogance.

1 Cor 2:4-7
4 And my speech and my preaching were not with persuasive words of human wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power,
5 that your faith should not be in the wisdom of men but in the power of God.
6 However, we speak wisdom among those who are mature, yet not the wisdom of this age, nor of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing.
7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God ordained before the ages for our glory,
(NKJ)

[Aimiel]

We do believe differently. I am in the meat and your still in the milk. I walk after the Holy Spirit and prove it. You assume you know who the Spirit is and you guess at it. If you are in some meat, maybe you should become a vegetarian, because that meat is rotten. You're not walking after anything but doctrines of demons; a demon who has named itself 'holy spirit' isn't from God. Again, the only proof you give us is a lack of understanding of The Word of God and mis-quoted and out-of-context verses thrown together illogically.

[Squeaky]

Aimiel you said
If you are in some meat, maybe you should become a vegetarian, because that meat is rotten

I said
If you only knew how self condemning you are you would fall down on your knees and beg God to forgive you.

Heb 5:13-14
13 For everyone who partakes only of milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, for he is a babe.
14 But solid food belongs to those who are of full age, that is, those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
(NKJ)

What you should ask yourself is this. What come out of your mouth abundantly. Carnality or verses?

Matt 12:34-37
34 "Brood of vipers! How can you, being evil, speak good things? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.
35 "A good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth good things, and an evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth evil things.
36 "But I say to you that for every idle word men may speak, they will give account of it in the day of judgment.
37 "For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned."
(NKJ)

[Grace2UX]

Aimiel,

You said:
Squeaky, If you are in some meat, maybe you should become a vegetarian, because that meat is rotten. You're not walking after anything but doctrines of demons; a demon who has named itself 'holy spirit' isn't from God. Again, the only proof you give us is a lack of understanding of The Word of God and mis-quoted and out-of-context verses thrown together illogically.

Answer:
Amen!

[Squeaky]

Grace2u we all know your not in the meat. The problem is that I dont know if your even in the milk. You still rely on your maybe, almost, could be, might be, think it is state of mind. When your beliefs are all circumstantial that makes your salvation circumstantial. It amazes me how these verses go right over your head.

2 Cor 5:19
19 that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
(NKJ)

John 14:10
10 "Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works.
(NKJ)

John 14:10-11
10 "Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works.
11 "Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe Me for the sake of the works themselves.
(NKJ)

Matt 27:46
46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, "Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?" that is, "My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?"
(NKJ)

It is so simple. God was in Jesus doing all the miracles and works through Jesus. Then God left Jesus to die alone.
That is evidence that you have never entered the kingdom of God(inside yourself) to resist the devil. And it is so plan that God can also work through us if we humble ourselves. But it won't make us God and it didnt make Jesus, God.

All your circumstantial verses do not override a factual verse. When I use the term TB7 "and" myself I am not implying that we are the same being. And all your circumstantial verses where it uses the term my God "and" my Lord it is not implying they are the same being.
I know from experance just what Paul was saying in these verses. I have great sorrow and continual grief in my heart over you, because you also believe that Jesus is God.

Rom 9:1-8

1 I tell the truth in Christ, I am not lying, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Spirit,
2 that I have great sorrow and continual grief in my heart.
3 For I could wish that I myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my countrymen according to the flesh,
4 who are Israelites, to whom pertain the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the service of God, and the promises;
5 of whom are the fathers and from whom, according to the flesh, Christ came, who is over all, the eternally blessed God. Amen.
6 But it is not that the word of God has taken no effect. For they are not all Israel who are of Israel,
7 nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, "In Isaac your seed shall be called."
8 That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed.
(NKJ)

But if you would only believe the factual verses without perverting them it would be so simple.

John 7:38
38 "He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water."
(NKJ)

1 Cor 8:6
6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live.
(NKJ)

Eph 4:6
6 one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
(NKJ)

1 Tim 2:5
5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus,
(NKJ)

What i mean is this. Even the demons know more about who God is than you.

James 2:19
19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe-- and tremble!
(NKJ)

[Aimiel]

We (Christians, that is) are able to know one another. We know that others are Christians by their love for the bretheren. By 'bretheren' I mean those who know in Whom they have believed, and don't make up things about Him as they go along, and then try to teach those false 'doctrines' to others as if they are true, and quote scriptures out-of-context to prove to others their lack of skill with The Word of God.

[Squeaky]

Aimiel well Duh!??????????

[Aimiel]

Squeaky,

You're not recognized as one of our Christian 'bretheren,' because of your unorthodoxy. You don't believe God's Word, you oppose It. Your doctrine doesn't line up with what God said in His Word.

[Squeaky]

Aimiel you said
You're not recognized as one of our Christian 'bretheren,' because of your unorthodoxy.

I said
God doesnt even believe in your orthodox.

Mark 7:5-9
bread with unwashed hands?"
6 He answered and said to them, "Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: 'This people honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me.
7 And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.'
8 "For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men-- the washing of pitchers and cups, and many other such things you do."
9 And He said to them, "All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition.
(NKJ)

[Aimiel]

Aimiel you said
You're not recognized as one of our Christian 'bretheren,' because of your unorthodoxy.

I said
God doesnt even believe in your orthodox.The devil is a liar. God would not have had His Word printed on paper if He didn't want us to be able to find out The Truth about Him. That Truth causes Christians (those who hold to orthodox doctrine) to follow Him, and to come into a relationship with Him. If your god doesn't believe in standards or in sound doctrine, that is because he is asleep, or doesn't exist. We know in Whom we have believed, because He fellowships with us. You're imagining that you have a relationship with God, because you've memorized a few verses. That's foolish.

[Squeaky]

Aimiel you said
That Truth causes Christians (those who hold to orthodox doctrine) to follow Him, and to come into a relationship with Him

I said
your orthodox of the trinity only started in 325 AD with the Nicine Creed. It changed the orthodox that was in affect from the foundation of the apostles. Orthodox means traditional. You started with a tradition that wasnt an original tradition. You started 325 years to late with your tradition.

[Aimiel]

your orthodox of the trinity only started in 325 AD with the Nicine Creed. It changed the orthodox that was in affect from the foundation of the apostles. I have a trinity, I mean I am a spirit-being (just like my Heavenly Father is A Spirit) and I have a soul (just as The Holy Ghost is The Soul or Personality of God) and live in a body (Jesus is The Head of The Body of Christ, who is The Body of The Lord). The Trinity, meaning God, The Father, Son and Spirit, were taught by all of the Apostles, including Paul, and all the other apostles that came after them. You're reading too many blogs or books, and need to keep your nose in The Word of God.

[Squeaky]

The only trinity is the Word of God is.

Rev 12:9
9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
(NKJ)

And Paul never taught the trinity. He taught there is one God the Father.

1 Cor 8:6
6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live.
(NKJ)

Jesus never taught the trinity. He taught the Father is the only true God.

John 17:1-3
1 Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: "Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You,
2 "as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as You have given Him.
3 "And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.
(NKJ)

[Aimiel]

You put too much weight upon punctuation, which hadn't been invented when The Word of God was written. To know The Only True God and Jesus Christ whom The Father sent, you have to accept the fact that He is One. He is not two or three, He is One. This Mystery of God, being Father, Son and Spirit, yet being One, is not something that we can comprehend, since we are finite beings with a finite number of brain cells. He is Infinite. His Being cannot be seen by our form. He had to 'take on' The Form of Flesh so that we could see Him. That Flesh is God, Jesus. The Holy Spirit is also God, since God is Spirit. The Father is God, as well as The Son and The Spirit. They are not three gods, they are One. They are not the same, they are different aspects or different facets of The Same Being, God. We are a spirit that has a soul and lives in a body. We are not three people, but we have three different aspects or facets. Jesus taught that He and The Father are One. If we see Jesus we see The Father and The Spirit, in One. They are One. Also, Paul taught that Jesus is 'before' all things. That means that He existed before anything else did. Think about that. Before creation started, God is all there is. Jesus existed, because He is 'before' everything. It is Jesus, also, that holds the very elements together. Paul said, "Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: in whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: for by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: and he is before all things, and by him all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence." It is clear that Paul understood that Jesus is God. It is also clear that you don't.

[Squeaky]

THE 'ARE ONE' DELUSION
WE ARE ONE WITH CHRIST AND GOD AND HOLY SPIRIT
IF JESUS IS GOD BECAUSE OF THE ONENESS-THEN WE ARE GOD. NOT SO!
John 10:30
30 "I and My Father are one."
(NKJ)
John 17:22
22 "And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one:
I Jn 5:7-8
7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.
8 And there are three that bear witness on earth: the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree as one.
1 Cor 12:12-14
12 For as the body is one and has many members, but all the members of that one body, being many, are one body, so also is Christ.
13 For by one Spirit we were all ba