Revelation On The Hidden Language

[Squeaky]

HIDDEN LANGUAGE (HOLY SPIRIT LANGUAGE)(MEAT)

1 Cor 2:4-5
4 And my speech and my preaching were not with persuasive words of human wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power,
5 that your faith should not be in the wisdom of men but in the power of God.
1 Cor 2:6-7
6 However, we speak wisdom among those who are mature, yet not the wisdom of this age, nor of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing.
7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God ordained before the ages for our glory,
Matt 13:10-11
10 And the disciples came and said to Him, "Why do You speak to them in parables?"
11 He answered and said to them, "Because it has been given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given.
Matt 13:13-14
13 "Therefore I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand.
14 "And in them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled, which says: 'Hearing you will hear and shall not understand, and seeing you will see and not perceive;
1 Cor 14:10
10 There are, it may be, so many kinds of languages in the world, and none of them is without significance.
1 Cor 14:7-8
7 Even things without life, whether flute or harp, when they make a sound, unless they make a distinction in the sounds, how will it be known what is piped or played?
8 For if the trumpet makes an uncertain sound, who will prepare himself for battle?
Rom 8:27
27 Now He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the spirit is, because He makes intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
James 3:17
17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, willing to yield, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality and without hypocrisy.
Matt 13:16-17
16 "But blessed are your eyes for they see, and your ears for they hear;
17 "for assuredly, I say to you that many prophets and righteous men desired to see what you see, and did not see it, and to hear what you hear, and did not hear it.
Matt 13:18-19
18 "Therefore hear the parable of the sower:
19 "When anyone hears the word of the kingdom, and does not understand it, then the wicked one comes and snatches away what was sown in his heart. This is he who received seed by the wayside.
Mark 4:14
14 "The sower sows the word.
John 14:26
26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
John 3:34
34 "For He whom God has sent speaks the words of God, for God does not give the Spirit by measure.
John 3:33
33 "He who has received His testimony has certified that God is true.
Eph 1:9
9 having made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His good pleasure which He purposed in Himself,
2 Cor 5:5
5 Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.
2 Cor 5:7
7 For we walk by faith, not by sight.
2 Cor 5:10-11
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.
11 Knowing, therefore, the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are well known to God, and I also trust are well known in your consciences.
Matt 4:4
4 But He answered and said, "It is written, 'Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.'"
Rev 22:18-19
18 For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book;
19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
(NKJ)
There are many languages in the world. Doctors have one, lawyers have one, intellectuals have one, common people have one. Seeing that the only guaranteed message in the bible comes from the Holy Spirit. So to guard that guarantee He even uses a special language. And the Holy Spirit only quotes verses, He explains verses with other verses. There are spirits in us trying to deceive us and they all speak the same language carnal. So we can discern the Holy Spirit He quotes verses. Now this is the meat understanding of the Word. The milk understanding is done with the carnal language, the meat understanding is done with only verses.

II Jn 1:8-11
8 Look to yourselves, that we do not lose those things we worked for, but that we may receive a full reward.
9 Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son.
10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him;
11 for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds.
(NKJ)

[Tamiryl Auvahn]

No doubt about it for me verses speak louder than persuassion but someone had to write those verses in the first place.

Do you think that Paul ever thought that after he left this world that poeple would collect his letters and call them "The Word of God" He probally would have ripped his clothes off if he knew while he was alive.

I believe the Word of God is in it but I also believe that any truth spoken by inspiration of the Holy Spirt will be backed by God even in this day and age. It won't contradict what is already declared either by the prophets and apostles.

I read the Epistle of Barnabas and no doubt he was gifted man with revealation. But I can find some things he says and even what Pauls says I have to wonder about and question though. It's a fact that even Pauls evolved in his writings.

My point is that I am glad you use the verses to display a point/revealation. The ultimate is the revealations you mentioned though and they come from the Holy Spirit directly don't you think? Via the verses but then afterwards the Spirit can take you a little deeper than what you just read even and you might not find exactly what is told to you in any verses exactly.

I could read your commentaries on all your posts here and say that for me they are "verses" because truth is truth. I could even collect all your commentaries and put them in a book after you leave this world and say it's scripture for me (verses).

Did you think that Paul recieved his revelations by reading the law and the prophets (verses) or did Paul get his revelations directly from God through the Holy Spirit?

The first believers in Christ after the ressurection had no "verses" like we do today. Probally relied on the Holy Spirit more through prophecy (inspired teaching). Of course they had knowlege of the torah. prophets and psalms etc etc. They even believed in "verses" that today we don't accept as such.

We have all these "verses" today and more crap nonsense than ever before being spewed out. Then when someone like you paints it in black and white like you do about "One God" they still don't get it. People are going to believe what they want to believe no matter how much versus we but in front of them it seems. So again my point is if someone isn't connected to the Holy Spirit it is a waste of time trying to get through to them even if you have verses. Still we try but it shows that there is something bigger at work going on behind the scences.

Before I even knew one verse of scripture I knew there was One God. Not three of them. That is a revelation. That was the Holy Spirit drawing me in then.

I really get a blast from your posts here and agree with them all. You never answered my private message. Do you have a web site and if you don't why not? Do you teach in person somewhere?

[Behira]

The Ancient Ones who were scribes and wrote the Torah scrolls; understood the Word was the Spirit. However, it's not the words that illuminate it is the spirit within you; His spirit in you reveals to you from the word. Paul and the rest only had the Hebrew scriptures; that is what they taught from and yes a matter had to have two or three witness; the Law, the Prophets and also the Psalms. So if you were sharing scripture with a Jew and you wanted to offer some enlightenment; you'd have reference the Torah/Law; and the Prophets at least; but to really impress something from thePsalms as well.

Jesus told the students to wait for Him and He woudl send the Holy Spirit. Well it was the Feast of Shavout (Pentacost) becasue of the Torah and their practice they knew where to go and what to do. There would have been specific scriptures they read that day, very likely reading about Mt. Sinai; and prayer, men reading the same psalms in Hebrew in unison or one accord; and what they read that day brought who Jesus was in to a fuller understanding; ah He is YHVH! the G-d on the Mountain, the fire in the bush! so they lit up like light bulbs (fire on their heads; a revelation); fire on the tounges;(praising G-d in Hebrew) they were definitly energized !

Have you ever heard Jewish men pray psalms together in unison in Hebrew? it sounds like the sound of might rushing waters; no kidding it does, I heard it with my own ears. And it resonates in your soul; even if you don't understand the language!

[Squeaky]

Tami you said
Before I even knew one verse of scripture I knew there was One God. Not three of them. That is a revelation. That was the Holy Spirit drawing me in then.

I said

Matt 16:17-18
17 Jesus answered and said to him, "Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.
18 "And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.
(NKJ)

[1stresurrection]

There is a hidden language by the demon of Pentecostalism. The language of spirit which is the tongues of angels uses the functions of intuition, communion and conscience.

IT IS IMPERATIVE that a believer know he has a spirit, since, as we shall soon learn, every communication of God with man occurs there. If the believer does not discern his own spirit he invariably is ignorant of how to commune with God in the spirit. He easily substitutes the thoughts or emotions of the soul for the works of the spirit. Thus he confines himself to the outer realm, unable ever to reach the spiritual realm.

I Corinthians 2. 11 speaks of "the spirit of the man which is in him." 1 Corinthians 5.4 mentions "my spirit." Romans 8.16 says "our spirit." 1 Corinthians 14.14 uses "my spirit." I Corinthians 14.32 tells of the "spirits of prophets." Proverbs 25.28 refers to "his own spirit." Darby Hebrews 12.23 record "the spirits of just men." Zechariah 12.1 states that "the Lord ... formed the spirit of man within him."

The above Scripture verses sufficiently prove that we human beings do possess a human spirit. This spirit is not synonymous with our soul nor is it the same as the Holy Spirit. We worship God in this spirit.

According to the teaching of the Bible and the experience of believers, the human spirit can be said to comprise three parts; or, to put it another way, one can say it has three main functions. These are conscience, intuition and communion.

The conscience is the discerning organ which distinguishes right and wrong; not, however, through the influence of knowledge stored in the mind but rather by a spontaneous direct judgment. Often reasoning will justify things which our conscience judges. The work of the conscience is independent and direct; it does not bend to outside opinions. If man should do wrong it will raise its voice of accusation. Intuition is the sensing organ of the human spirit. It is so diametrically different from physical sense and soulical sense that it is called intuition. Intuition involves a direct sensing independent of any outside influence. That knowledge which comes to us without any help from the mind, emotion or volition comes intuitively. We really "know" through our intuition; our mind merely helps us to "Understand." The revelations of God and all the movements of the Holy Spirit are known to the believer through his intuition. A believer must therefore heed these two elements: the voice of conscience and the teaching of intuition. Communion is worshiping God. The organs of the soul are incompetent to worship God. God is not apprehended by our thoughts, feelings or intentions, for He can only be known directly in our spirits. Our worship of God and God's communications with us are directly in the spirit. They take place in "the inner man," not in the soul or outward man.

We can conclude then that these three elements of conscience, intuition and communion are deeply interrelated and function coordinately. The relationship between conscience and intuition is that conscience judges according to intuition; it condemns all conduct which does not follow the directions given by intuition. Intuition is related to communion or worship in that God is known by man intuitively and reveals His will to man in the intuition. No measure of expectation or deduction gives us the knowledge of God.

From the following three groups of Scripture verses it can readily be observed that our spirits possess the function of conscience (we do not say that the spirit is conscience), the function of intuition (or spiritual sense), and the function of, communion (or worship).

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[Squeaky]

ONLY GUARANTEE (HOLY SPIRIT QUOTING VERSES)
Deut 13:1-3 OLD TESTAMENT
1 "If there arises among you a prophet or a dreamer of dreams, and he gives you a sign or a wonder,
2 "and the sign or the wonder comes to pass, of which he spoke to you, saying, 'Let us go after other gods'-- which you have not known--' and let us serve them,'
3 "you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams, for the LORD your God is testing you to know whether you love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.

II Th 2:9-11 NEW TESTAMENT
9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders,
10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie,
1 Tim 6:20-21
20 O Timothy! Guard what was committed to your trust, avoiding the profane and idle babble and contradictions of what is falsely called knowledge--
21 by professing it some have strayed concerning the faith. Grace be with you. Amen.
2 Cor 1:21-22
21 Now He who establishes us with you in Christ and has anointed us is God,
22 who also has sealed us and given us the Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.
John 14:26
26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
Eph 1:13-16
13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,
14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.
15 Therefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints,
16 do not cease to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers:
John 5:37
37 "And the Father Himself, who sent Me, has testified of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His form.
Heb 11:6
6 But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.
Matt 5:45
45 "that you may be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust.
John 1:17-18
17 For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
18 No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.
Heb 8:13
13 In that He says, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
Matt 12:18-21
18 "Behold, My Servant whom I have chosen, my Beloved in whom My soul is well pleased! I will put My Spirit upon Him, and He will declare justice to the Gentiles.
19 He will not quarrel nor cry out, nor will anyone hear His voice in the streets.
20 A bruised reed He will not break, and smoking flax He will not quench, till He sends forth justice to victory;
21 And in His name Gentiles will trust."
Matt 6:14-15
14 "For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you.
15 "But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
John 14:24-26
24 "He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine but the Father's who sent Me.
25 "These things I have spoken to you while being present with you.
26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
2 Cor 5:5
5 Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.
Rom 8:1-2
1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death.
Gal 2:21
21 "I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain."
Gal 5:4-5
4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.
5 For we through the Spirit eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
Gal 5:22-25
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.
24 And those who are Christ's have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
(NKJ)
xxx There is ONLY one guaranteed message from God for today, the Holy Spirit and He only quotes verses. And Christ came to make a way that we can have our own Holy Spirit to teach us. And the new testament is the authority of Jesus Christ. We dont even keep the old testament or those who say thus sayest the Lord. We submit to the new testament Holy Spirit that only quotes verses from the new testament. We live and abide in the doctrine of Christ.

II Jn 1:9-11
9 Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son.
10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him;
11 for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds.
(NKJ)

xxx And anyone who knows the Holy Spirit on a personal basis, would want to prove the Holy Spirit was leading them by showing the verses that the Holy Spirit motivated them with to speak. We as born again christians knows the importance of proving the Holy Spirit is leading us.

Rom 12:2
2 And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
(NKJ)

1 Cor 2:10
10 But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God.
(NKJ)

1Thes 5:21
21 Test all things; hold fast what is good.
(NKJ)

2 Cor 13:5-6
5 Examine yourselves as to whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Do you not know yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you?-- unless indeed you are disqualified.
6 But I trust that you will know that we are not disqualified.
(NKJ)

[Aimiel]

You dis-qualify yourself, if you listen to a spirit which, "only quotes scriptures," to you, from The Truth. The Holy Spirit is not limited in this way. You are listening to and teaching doctrines of demons. This is clear.

[Squeaky]

If you believe that then you cant be a believer in the Word. The Word that the Spirit comes from is this. He only brings to remembrance(quotes verses) what Jesus has ALREADY SAID TO YOU. Which when you read Jesus is speaking to you.

John 14:26
26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
(NKJ)


The Holy Spirit is NOT EVEN allowed to speak on His own authority. But He will take from what is Christs(verses) and declare them(quote) to you.

John 16:13-14
13 "However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.
14 "He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you.
(NKJ)

This Holy Spirit is the ONLY guarantee in the whole Word of God.

2 Cor 5:5
5 Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.
(NKJ)


And this Holy Spirit will ONLY abide in the doctrine of Christ(new testament). And if anyone brings any other doctrine(old testament) we dont even allow them into our house.

II Jn 1:8-11
8 Look to yourselves, that we do not lose those things we worked for, but that we may receive a full reward.
9 Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son.
10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him;
11 for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds.
(NKJ)

And a true believer will never add one thing to it or take one thing away from it. Like adding deity, or God the Son, or God the Holy Spirit, or trinity, WHICH NONE OF THESE ARE IN THE WORD OF GOD.

Rev 22:18-19
18 For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book;
19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
(NKJ)

[Squeaky]

You need to know the hidden language of the Spirit to be spiritual.

[keypurr]

Squeaky Quote:
And this Holy Spirit will ONLY abide in the doctrine of Christ(new testament). And if anyone brings any other doctrine(old testament) we dont even allow them into our house

Without the OT, you can not have complete understanding of Christ and his mission. Christ led his people out of Egypt, he is the great I AM that gave the ten commandments. This world was made by him. Nothing in this world was not made by him. How can you accept the NT without the foundation of the OT? The doctrinsd in the OT have purpose and meaning in the NT. Kind of a shadow of things to come.

[Squeaky]

What you think is complete understanding could be complete deception. Ask yourself this question. If your statement is true, then your implying these verses are wrong.

2 Cor 3:14-15
14 But their minds were blinded. For until this day the same veil remains unlifted in the reading of the Old Testament, because the veil is taken away in Christ.
15 But even to this day, when Moses is read, a veil lies on their heart.
(NKJ)

[Squeakybro]

Here it is again.

[Aimiel]

Originally posted by Squeaky

And a true believer will never add one thing to it or take one thing away from it.Does that mean that you understand that you're not a 'true believer,' since you add the word, "only," and remove part of the verse?

But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. (KJV)

But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall ONLY bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. (Squeakybro Version)

Time for some plagues, and the removal of one name.

[Squeakybro]

You said
Does that mean that you understand that you're not a 'true believer,' since you add the word, "only," and remove part of the verse?

I said
When I quoting a verse that the Holy Spirit gives me I always post where its at. But when I'm talking I give my understanding. Dont tell me you dont know the difference. You always give your opinion. I hope you dont think your opinion is in anyway the Word of God.

[Aimiel]

I believe that I am a living epistle, and when The Lord speaks through me, I always know it. If we serve someone, we loan them our members (voice, etc.) and I serve The Spirit of The Lord. He makes use of me as He wills. I don't propose to add or detract one scripture from The Word of God, but He did not suddenly go silent, or forget how to speak things that were not written in The Word. He is God, and you can't limit The Almighty, because you believe that you see some 'guideline' that He has to follow, simply because of your mis-interpretations or taking verses out of context.

[Squeakybro]

you said
taking verses out of context.

I said
Havent you learned that the scriptures are already written out of context. Havent you learned yet that everything Jesus spoke He spoke in parables. And everything the apostles spoke only spoke the milk understanding. And they both said find the Holy Spirit and learn from Him.

Matt 13:34-35
34 All these things Jesus spoke to the multitude in parables; and without a parable He did not speak to them,
35 that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying: "I will open My mouth in parables; I will utter things kept secret from the foundation of the world."
(NKJ)

1 Cor 3:1-3

1 And I, brethren, could not speak to you as to spiritual people but as to carnal, as to babes in Christ.
2 I fed you with milk and not with solid food; for until now you were not able to receive it, and even now you are still not able;
3 for you are still carnal. For where there are envy, strife, and divisions among you, are you not carnal and behaving like mere men?
(NKJ)

[Daniel50]

I Corinthians
2:15But he who is spiritual discerns all things, and he himself is judged by no one. 2:16"For who has known the mind of the Lord, that he should instruct him?" But we have Christ's mind.

[Aimiel]

It is not just that we have memorized scriptures, or decided that only hearing scriptures is what we should expect, but that The Mind of Christ should be in us, to see and to do what He wants us to.

[Squeakybro]

you said
It is not just that we have memorized scriptures, or decided that only hearing scriptures is what we should expect, but that The Mind of Christ should be in us, to see and to do what He wants us to.

I said

John 12:48-49
48 "He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him-- the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day.
49 "For I have not spoken on My own authority; but the Father who sent Me gave Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak.
(NKJ)

[Aimiel]

Originally posted by Squeakybro

you said
It is not just that we have memorized scriptures, or decided that only hearing scriptures is what we should expect, but that The Mind of Christ should be in us, to see and to do what He wants us to.

I said

John 12:48-49
48 "He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him-- the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day.
49 "For I have not spoken on My own authority; but the Father who sent Me gave Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak.
(NKJ) You're a liar. Jesus said that, not you. Are you trying to tell me that if I reject you, if I don't receive your 'interpretation' of The Word of God, that I will be judged for it? I have not rejected Jesus, only your mis-interpretations of His Words.

[Squeakybro]

you said
You're a liar.
I have not rejected Jesus, only your mis-interpretations of His Words.

I said
I dont see any interpretation there all I see is total submission to the Holy Spirit on my part. Jesus didnt speak on His own authority and I dont speak on my own authority. So who is the liar?

[Squeakybro]

Aimiel you are trying to hard to justify your carnal understanding. I wonder why. What was your childhood like? Do you hate your mom and dad? Do you read your bible daily? Do you have friends?

[Aimiel]

Originally posted by Squeakybro

I dont see any interpretation there...You have added the word 'only' to the verse: "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you." I believe that your mis-interpretation is one of the biggest hinderances upon God in your heart. He wants you to understand that He didn't say, "...only..." in that verse. He is able to do anything, and say anything that He pleases. His Purposes are established by His Word, but He is not limited to repeating it. He is perfectly able to speak, and does, confirming His Word and giving Rhema Words, as He wills.

In your mis-interpretation, Heaven would be boring. Especially after a few years of hearing God speak nothing but verses, and everyone having memorized them, it would soon become mononotonous. The Word says that if what Jesus did while on the earth were written in books, the whole world could not contain the words. Do you think The Holy Spirit is any less? He is not. God is That Spirit, and where The Spirit of The Lord is, there is liberty.

[Squeakybro]

you said
." I believe that your mis-interpretation is one of the biggest hinderances upon God in your heart. He wants you to understand that He didn't say, "...only..." in that verse.

I said
Well arn't you the little hypocrite. Look at the word "said" you cant add anything to that. Not going to say, not might have said, but already said to you. And the only time Jesus has spoken to you is when you read the verses. And for all your other hoopla look at the next verse. The Holy Spirit is NOT ALLOWED TO SPEAK ON HIS OWN AUTHORITY. He cant speak carnally to you.

John 14:26
26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
(NKJ)

John 16:13
13 "However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.
(NKJ)

All that other stuff you said is perversion of the Word

[Aimiel]

The Holy Spirit is not carnal. How can He speak carnally? He is Holy. Duhh. He speaks what He sees. The Lord isn't 'acting out' verses. He shows us The Father. He shows us things to come. These things are not found in scriptures (except in bits and pieces). He is God, and you believe that you can 'box up' God with your ingenious wit. You are not as large as a speck of dust in His Sight, and you believe that you know His Boundaries. He is only bound by Himself, His Own Character. Your trap won't hold Him, because no one can say, "Look, He's here," about God. He lives in men, not in your ideas of what you 'think' The Word means. He is alive. He is not a mockingbird. Neither is He amused by being limited by someone who thinks they have a 'handle' on Him.

[Squeakybro]

you said
Your trap won't hold Him,

I said
Exaggerations dont impress Him. And if you will read the revelations you will see I havent put no limitations on Him. He put them there. So that we can know if we are hearing from the Holy Spirit or our guardian angel or the devil or satan.
Read these. Are these my words or the Lords words?

John 5:37
37 "And the Father Himself, who sent Me, has testified of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His form.
(NKJ)

Heb 1:1-2

1 God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets,
2 has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds;
(NKJ)

John 5:22-23
22 "For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son,
23 "that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.
(NKJ)

In your arrogance you have opened the door for the devil to deceive.

[Aimiel]

The Holy Spirit speaks to us to let us know The Father's Will. He is not limited to your mistaken understanding of only reciting verses. That would make Him the holy mockingbird or the holy tape recorder, which He is NOT. The Lord always confirms His Word, with signs, wonders and miracles. Satan doesn't have this luxury, just yet. He will soon, though.

[Squeakybro]

you said
. The Lord always confirms His Word, with signs, wonders and miracles.

I said
I keep showing you everything with verses, revelations. You keep disputing with no more than your own opinion. I am demonstrating that the Holy Spirit doesnt need carnality to communicate with us. You just dont get it.

Matt 12:39
39 But He answered and said to them, "An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah.
(NKJ)

[Aimiel]

You're right that I don't 'get' it, because it is foolishness to place your own words into The Lord's Mouth. They don't fit. He never said that The Holy Spirit would ONLY quote verses. Don't you understand that you have mis-applied The Word of God to your doctrine of demons? You can't even agree that this simple premise of yours is un-scriptural, much less foolhardy. You need to buy a clue. Your so-called 'revelations' are nothing more than Scriptures quoted out-of-context with no discernable congruity, with illogical and silly conclusions, based entirely upon mis-understandings that you hold dear, because you believe that your 'understanding' that you lean upon, and not The Spirit of The Lord is god. You have a 'form' of Godliness, but you deny The Power Thereof. You're just plain silly. :servent:

[Squeakybro]

you said
You're right that I don't 'get' it, because it is foolishness to place your own words into The Lord's Mouth. They don't fit. He never said that The Holy Spirit would ONLY quote verses

I said
That is an oxymoron. Your placeing your words and your understanding and putting them in the Lords mouth.


John 14:26
26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
(NKJ)

John 16:13-14
13 "However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.
14 "He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you.
(NKJ)

Now again. The Holy Spirit is not allowed to speak on His own authority. But He is allowed to quote verses. Well duh!

[Aimiel]

Please show me where you think that I put any words into The Lord's Mouth. Because you believe that the word ONLY is in John 14:26, or that not speaking on His own Authority (Joyn 16:13) means that He can't tell you what The Father or The Son is doing, you cripple Him. Look at John 16:14. "He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you." Jesus said that The Holy Ghost would take what belongs to Jesus. His Words are not the ONLY thing that He owns, although that would be enough, since all The Words that Jesus has already spoken would more than fill all the books ever printed in the world; but also means that we can have His Thoughts, He is able to reveal to us what God has prepared for us (those of us that love Him and keep His Commandments, one of which is to be entreatable) in Heaven. He can only show us these things if we don't limit Him. The ONLY limits to God's Power in our lives is our ability to believe Him. He doesn't want us to add to or subtract from His Word because to do so, we miss what He meant, and we put false limits upon Him, which He can't violate, because if He did, it would destroy our faith. We need to allow His Spirit to show us what The Word means, not take passages literally and out-of-context and make Him completely useless.

Tell me, do you believe that God, The Father, or God, The Son, have stopped speaking, or that The Words that they spoke which are contained in The Bible are the only words that they will ever speak? :think:

[Squeakybro]

you said
Tell me, do you believe that God, The Father, or God, The Son, have stopped speaking, or that The Words that they spoke which are contained in The Bible are the only words that they will ever speak

I said
Yes, and youve got to be kidding. There is no God the Son in the Word of God anywhere. Show me one verse in the entire Word of God that has the phrase God the Son. That is adding to.

John 5:37-40
37 "And the Father Himself, who sent Me, has testified of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His form.
38 "But you do not have His word abiding in you, because whom He sent, Him you do not believe.
39 "You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me.
40 "But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life.
(NKJ)

You have never heard Gods voice now seen His form, thats biblical.
Again it says

Heb 1:1-2
1 God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets,
2 has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds;
(NKJ)

You are disputing these verses every time you call Jesus God.
You are disagreeing with the verses below every time you call Jesus God. There is only one God the Father.


1 Cor 8:6
6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live.
(NKJ)

Eph 4:6
6 one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
(NKJ)

You are calling Jesus a liar every time you say Jesus is God. When Jesus Himself said that the Father is the only true God.

John 17:1-3

1 Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: "Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You,
2 "as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as You have given Him.
3 "And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.
(NKJ)

[Aimiel]

For unto us A Child is born, unto us A Son is given: and the government shall be upon His Shoulder: and His Name shall be called, "Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."

[Squeakybro]

That is old testament. And anyway this is who they were talking about. That was an accusation from the people.

Isa 8:3
3 And I went unto the prophetess; and she conceived, and bare a son. Then said the LORD to me, Call his name Maher-shalal-hashbaz.
(KJV)

Isa 9:5-6
5 For every battle of the warrior is with confused noise, and garments rolled in blood; but this shall be with burning and fuel of fire.
6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
(KJV)

[Aimiel]

Yes, it is from The Old Testament, which, Jesus said, shall not 'pass away' as you believe that it has. The Word of God is Eternal. Who do you think that The Lord was speaking of when He called His Son's Name, "Emmanuel?"

Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, "Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us."

[Squeakybro]

you still have alot to learn.

John 10:8-9
8 "All who ever came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them.
9 "I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture.
(NKJ)

II Jn 1:9-11
9 Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son.
10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him;
11 for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds.
(NKJ)

[Aimiel]

Amen. I do have a lot more to learn than I know. I do know that you aren't Spirit-Filled, though; and I do know that I am. Your 'doctrine' isn't from The Bible, though, it is from your own mis-understanding. There are no 'Lone Rangers' in The Kingdom.

[Squeakybro]

you said
There are no 'Lone Rangers' in The Kingdom.

I said
Then apparently you dont know who Paul is.

[Aimiel]

He wasn't a Lone Ranger, like yourself, He was filled with The Spirit of The Lord, which you are not.

[Squeakybro]

Like I said you dont know Paul. But some are called but only few are chosen. Its apparent you cant relate to the chosen.

[Aimiel]

I guess I can't, and don't want to, if you're the 'chosen.' I'd rather be lost, and have The Holy Ghost, than be 'chosen' as you believe that you are, and have confusion for my god.

[Squeakybro]

you said
I guess I can't, and don't want to, if you're the 'chosen

I said
That sounds arrogant. It doesnt make any difference what the truth is. You just want it your way or no way. Well I can tell you this that if you dont humble yourself to Gods way you won't make it.

[Aimiel]

Originally posted by Squeakybro

That sounds arrogant.I'm sorry that your reading skills, as well as your discernment are way off-base. I'm not arrogant. I do know The Truth, which has set me free from the types of mis-understandings that still hold you prisoner. You're carnal, lost and confused.It doesnt make any difference what the truth is.Well, speak for yourself. The Truth has made a big difference in my life. I used to be hard-headed and stubborn, just like you are, until I learned the truth about God and about myself.Well I can tell you this that if you dont humble yourself to Gods way you won't make it. That's just not true. If you don't humble yourself to His Wisdom, you won't ever learn anything (you come to mind, Squeakybro) but God is not going to keep anyone out of Heaven, who is saved, but doesn't ever learn what He has provided for them with that salvation; just like He doesn't punish anyone for not being filled with His Spirit, but claiming that they are. Isn't He a Good God? :thumb:

[Squeakybro]

Do you even know what carnal means?
Everything you have said is carnal.

[OMEGA]

Squeaky is Right,

Unless God OPENS your Mind by giving you His Holy Spirit

or having His Holy Spirit open your minds

You cannot fully understand the Word of God

because as the Angel said in Rev 19:10

The Spirit of Jesus is the Spirit of Prophecy.

So then , you cannot fully understand Prophecy unless

you Really have the Spirit of God.


(Rev 19:10 KJV) And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.



11 He answered and said to them, "Because it has been given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given.
Matt 13:13-14
13 "Therefore I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand.
14 "And in them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled, which says: 'Hearing you will hear and shall not understand, and seeing you will see and not perceive;

[Aimiel]

Originally posted by Squeakybro

Do you even know what carnal means?
Everything you have said is carnal. No, it only looks that way to someone who doesn't understand the things that they post and simply cuts and pastes verses without understanding them. You would see the spiritual truths expressed in my words if you had an inkling of what The Word of God means, instead of simply quoting it without living it.

[Aimiel]

Originally posted by OMEGA

Squeaky is Right,

Unless God OPENS your Mind by giving you His Holy Spirit

or having His Holy Spirit open your minds

You cannot fully understand the Word of GodHe has been right on many points, but is in extreme error on far more than he has right. The Holy Spirit has to convict someone of their sin, or they don't know that it even exists. He also testifies to every Truth that we ever come to know, or we wouldn't understand or accept them....because as the Angel said in Rev 19:10

The Spirit of Jesus is the Spirit of Prophecy.That's a mis-quote; the angel said, "The testimony of Jesus is The Spirit of Prophecy." I believe that one of the things that this means is that when we testify of Him to others, that we will become (as The Spirit of The Lord moves and as we allow Him to speak through us) able to speak prophecy over those that we're witnessing to, and that they will see that God is in us, and become saved. I've seen this take place, many times, and enjoy seeing God move, soverignly, upon His servents to bring others into relationship with Him.

[Squeakybro]

Omega that is the way it is done. You will have to excuse Aimiel, he only knows his own opinion.
But for you to show the verses the Holy Spirit is leading you with is the evidence of being led by the Spirit.
Aimiel do you see the difference yet in your testimony and that of Omega.

Rom 12:16
16 Be of the same mind toward one another. Do not set your mind on high things, but associate with the humble. Do not be wise in your own opinion.
(NKJ)

James 1:19
19 So then, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath;
(NKJ)

[Aimiel]

No, other than one of us is attempting to deceive you into believing that his words should be accepted by you as gospel, and he isn't filled with The Holy Spirit any more than you are. You mistake quotation for sound doctrine.

[Squeakybro]

you said
. You mistake quotation for sound doctrine.

I said
That is an oxymoron. You cant tell me that you think your opinion is sound doctrine. please dont tell me you believe that. One would have to be acouple of sandwiches short of a picknic basket to believe that.
Sound doctrine is the verses in the Word of God. To prove one is led by sound doctrine is only their imagination if they dont prove it. And you have never proved to me that you even know what sound doctrine is.

[Aimiel]

If you were filled with The Spirit of The Lord, and were experienced in what you claim (demonstration of Power, by The Spirit) then you would understand what I meant (above), when I said, "I believe that one of the things that this means is that when we testify of Him to others, that we will become (as The Spirit of The Lord moves and as we allow Him to speak through us) able to speak prophecy over those that we're witnessing to, and that they will see that God is in us, and become saved. I've seen this take place, many times, and enjoy seeing God move, soverignly, upon His servents to bring others into relationship with Him."

Having never experienced such a thing, or expressing having done so, is how I know that you're lying when you say that you're filled with The Holy Spirit, and that it is He Who has spoken to you. Your ideas of what the definition of 'doctrine' are would be questionable, at best, due to your having re-defined and mis-understood the most basic premises of salvation and The Identity of Jesus. You don't even recognize that He is God.

[Squeakybro]

you said
I said, "I believe that one of the things that this means is that when we testify of Him to others, that we will become (as The Spirit of The Lord moves and as we allow Him to speak through us) able to speak prophecy over those that we're witnessing to, and that they will see that God is in us, and become saved

I said
Anyone who does not quote the verses does not have the Holy Spirit leading them. They are only guessing. And the reason they dont quote the verses is because they dont have the Word abiding in them.

John 5:38-40
38 "But you do not have His word abiding in you, because whom He sent, Him you do not believe.
39 "You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me.
40 "But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life.
(NKJ)

[Aimiel]

Originally posted by Squeakybro

you said
I said, "I believe that one of the things that this means is that when we testify of Him to others, that we will become (as The Spirit of The Lord moves and as we allow Him to speak through us) able to speak prophecy over those that we're witnessing to, and that they will see that God is in us, and become saved

I said
Anyone who does not quote the verses does not have the Holy Spirit leading them. They are only guessing. And the reason they dont quote the verses is because they dont have the Word abiding in them.

John 5:38-40
38 "But you do not have His word abiding in you, because whom He sent, Him you do not believe.
39 "You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me.
40 "But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life.
(NKJ) Hogwash. Once again, you are adding to The Word of God. Nowhere in The Word of God are we told, "Unless someone quoteth unto thee scripture and verse, they are without The Word of God." You're making a mockery of The Word of God by saying that pig-slop. You are walking after the flesh, or a demon, because The Holy Spirit does not lead people astray.

[i]There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: that the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

[Squeakybro]

Again you put all your faith in your opinion.

Rom 12:16
16 Be of the same mind toward one another. Do not set your mind on high things, but associate with the humble. Do not be wise in your own opinion.
(NKJ)

1 Cor 2:4-5
4 And my speech and my preaching were not with persuasive words of human wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power,
5 that your faith should not be in the wisdom of men but in the power of God.
(NKJ)
You should really go read the revelation on "Intellectual idiots" and study it real hard.

[billwald]

"Unless God OPENS your Mind by giving you His Holy Spirit

or having His Holy Spirit open your minds

You cannot fully understand the Word of God"

This is true, but it doesn't help because God doesn't issue a glow in the dark diploma to people whose minds he has opened. Doesn't Satan also communicate?

[Squeakybro]

Satan communicates carnally. Satan will not quote new testament verses because then he would be glorifying Christ. And every kingdom divided against itself will not stand.

Matt 12:25-28
25 But Jesus knew their thoughts, and said to them: "Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation, and every city or house divided against itself will not stand.
26 "If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then will his kingdom stand?
27 "And if I cast out demons by Beelzebub, by whom do your sons cast them out? Therefore they shall be your judges.
28 "But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, surely the kingdom of God has come upon you.
(NKJ)

[OMEGA]

Squeaky, you will have to Forgive Aimiel.

He means well but he is not as advanced as we in understanding

ALL the Scriptures and putting them together to see the Big Picture.

=====================

Satan can quote scripture but he is not going to waste time on us.

Satan is far too busy causing Wars and Deception of World Leaders.

Only the lesser Demons bother with us right now.

But one day they will have to Pay for their Treachery and Treason.

[Squeakybro]

you said
Squeaky, you will have to Forgive Aimiel.

I said
I do. He should study this verse alot. The carnal tongue can do more damage than good.

James 1:19
19 So then, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath;
(NKJ)

James 3:1-15

1 My brethren, let not many of you become teachers, knowing that we shall receive a stricter judgment.
2 For we all stumble in many things. If anyone does not stumble in word, he is a perfect man, able also to bridle the whole body.
3 Indeed, we put bits in horses' mouths that they may obey us, and we turn their whole body.
4 Look also at ships: although they are so large and are driven by fierce winds, they are turned by a very small rudder wherever the pilot desires.
5 Even so the tongue is a little member and boasts great things. See how great a forest a little fire kindles!
6 And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity. The tongue is so set among our members that it defiles the whole body, and sets on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire by hell.
7 For every kind of beast and bird, of reptile and creature of the sea, is tamed and has been tamed by mankind.
8 But no man can tame the tongue. It is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison.
9 With it we bless our God and Father, and with it we curse men, who have been made in the similitude of God.
10 Out of the same mouth proceed blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not to be so.
11 Does a spring send forth fresh water and bitter from the same opening?
12 Can a fig tree, my brethren, bear olives, or a grapevine bear figs? Thus no spring can yield both salt water and fresh.
13 Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him show by good conduct that his works are done in the meekness of wisdom.
14 But if you have bitter envy and self-seeking in your hearts, do not boast and lie against the truth.
15 This wisdom does not descend from above, but is earthly, sensual, demonic.
(NKJ)

[Aimiel]

The Word of God is not limited, except by our own mis-understanding.

Squeaky, you keep saying the same thing: Squeak, squeak, squeak.

Why don't you get off of that wheel?

[Squeakybro]

you said
Why don't you get off of that wheel?

I said
I believe you climbed up on my wheel. These are the threads I started not you. I am defending the Word of God. You are the heckler.

Phil 1:15-17
15 Some indeed preach Christ even from envy and strife, and some also from good will:
16 The former preach Christ from selfish ambition, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my chains;
17 but the latter out of love, knowing that I am appointed for the defense of the gospel.
(NKJ)

[Aimiel]

If you were appointed for defense of The Gospel, then you would first have to understand it. Having an understanding of the language, preferably your 'first' language, which you read The Gospel in, is a pre-requisite to understanding The Gospel. You have failed on both counts. I wouldn't be 'heckling' you, except you refused to listen to reason, or to fully understand the doctrine that you propose.

[Squeakybro]

you said
I wouldn't be 'heckling' you, except you refused to listen to reason, or to fully understand the doctrine that you propose.

I said
Well atleast you agree that you are a heckler. But you only use your reasoning, carnal reasoning.

Rom 8:5-8
5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be.
8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
(NKJ)

[Aimiel]

Were I carnal, Squeakybro, I would quote scripture and just agree with everything that you say. I will only agree with Truth. Jesus said that He didn't come to bring peace but a sword. He came to bring fire, and wished it was already lit. I'm here to fence with you, using The Word of God as A Weapon, which is able to cut into your life, dividing your soul from your spirit, and allowing you to perceive The Truth, no matter what anyone else has told you, no matter how many lies you have swallowe or whether or not you believe me. Iron sharpens iron. Faithful are the wounds of a friend. I swing The Word of God upon you, and That Sword does you no harm, It merely pierces your heart, and shows you The Light, and It is brightest in the midst of this present darkness. His Word is The Light, we are but reflectors, carriers of His Torch, Jesus is That Torch.

[Squeakybro]

you said
Were I carnal, Squeakybro, I would quote scripture and just agree with everything that you say

I said
You really dont know what carnal means do you. Everything that is NOT quoted out of the Word of God is carnal. Everything you say is carnal. If you were to quote scripture then you wouldnt be carnal.

[Aimiel]

Carnal thought is what is telling you that there is no Holy Spirit Who can give you more than what mere words can. Carnal thinking is what has you bound. You have a 'form' of Godliness, but deny The Power Thereof.

[Squeakybro]

You really should start reading a bible. Now read these real slow.

The Holy Spirit will bring to remembrance by quoting what Jesus has ALREADY SAID TO YOU.
John 14:26
26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
(NKJ)

The Holy Spirit is NOT ALLOWED TO SPEAK ANY OTHER WAY.
John 16:13
13 "However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.
(NKJ)

[Aimiel]

He is not allowed to hear God speak in Heaven, and relay those Words to us? I think that you're severely short-changing God, as well as yourself. He hears everything that God thinks, because That Spirit IS GOD!!!

[brother Willi]

Originally posted by Aimiel

He is not allowed to hear God speak in Heaven, and relay those Words to us? I think that you're severely short-changing God, as well as yourself. He hears everything that God thinks, because That Spirit IS GOD!!!

are you sayin God (The Creator), cant have the Holy Spirit, sent a spirit to you?

[Squeakybro]

I'm sorry I can see the truth and you cant. I dont know what else to show you. Do you know what hardhearted means? Because I think you are hardhearted. You dont have the Word abiding in you or you would quote it. You dont see what I see, and I cant open your eyes. All i can do is hope one day you will actually start reading the Word of God.

John 12:40
40 "He has blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts, lest they should see with their eyes, lest they should understand with their hearts and turn, so that I should heal them."
(NKJ)

[brother Willi]

Originally posted by Squeakybro

I'm sorry I can see the truth and you cant. I dont know what else to show you. Do you know what hardhearted means? Because I think you are hardhearted. You dont have the Word abiding in you or you would quote it. You dont see what I see, and I cant open your eyes. All i can do is hope one day you will actually start reading the Word of God.

John 12:40
40 "He has blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts, lest they should see with their eyes, lest they should understand with their hearts and turn, so that I should heal them."
(NKJ)
i think it more free will.
God hardens our heart?
he lets us do it.

[Aimiel]

Originally posted by brother Willi

are you sayin God (The Creator), cant have the Holy Spirit, sen(d) a spirit to you? If that is what you meant, senD, then, no, I don't believe that He does. I believe there is One God, and that The Holy Spirit is a part of Him, and yet ALL of Him, also; just as Jesus is. He fills us with Himself, which we call, "The Holy Spirit." There is Only One God. :thumb:

[Aimiel]

Originally posted by Squeakybro

I'm sorry I can see the truth and you cant. I dont know what else to show you. Do you know what hardhearted means? Because I think you are hardhearted. You dont have the Word abiding in you or you would quote it. You dont see what I see, and I cant open your eyes. All i can do is hope one day you will actually start reading the Word of God.Squeaky,

My understanding is fine. You don't see that The Lord is in me, because He isn't in you. If you did, you would recognize someone by their fruits, whether or not they ever quote chapter and verse to you. You're spouting legalism, and calling it: "The Holy Ghost." He is Perfect Liberty, not the bondage that you suggest. I not only read The Word of God, but understand it. The biggest reason that I do, is that I don't lean on my own understanding, but I ask for His Understanding, every single time I open the cover. :thumb:

[brother Willi]

Originally posted by Aimiel

If that is what you meant, senD, then, no, I don't believe that He does.
why are we told to test the spirits if there aint no spirits to test?

and why test?
why not "ALL SPIRITS ARE EVIL" ???


I believe there is One God, and that The Holy Spirit is a part of Him, and yet ALL of Him, also; just as Jesus is. He fills us with Himself, which we call, "The Holy Spirit." There is Only One God. :thumb:

i think many say the same thing here.

God is to much for any of us to fully understand.

[Squeakybro]

you said
My understanding is fine. You don't see that The Lord is in me, because He isn't in you. If you did, you would recognize someone by their fruits, whether or not they ever quote chapter and verse to you

I said
No I dont see Him. And I am looking at the fruit of your lips.

Matt 15:8-14
8 'These people draw near to Me with their mouth, and honor Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me.
9 And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.' "
10 When He had called the multitude to Himself, He said to them, "Hear and understand:
11 "Not what goes into the mouth defiles a man; but what comes out of the mouth, this defiles a man."
12 Then His disciples came and said to Him, "Do You know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this saying?"
13 But He answered and said, "Every plant which My heavenly Father has not planted will be uprooted.
14 "Let them alone. They are blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind leads the blind, both will fall into a ditch."
(NKJ)

[Aimiel]

Originally posted by Squeakybro

Matt 15:8-14
8 'These people draw near to Me with their mouth, and honor Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me.
9 And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.' "
10 When He had called the multitude to Himself, He said to them, "Hear and understand:
11 "Not what goes into the mouth defiles a man; but what comes out of the mouth, this defiles a man."
12 Then His disciples came and said to Him, "Do You know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this saying?"
13 But He answered and said, "Every plant which My heavenly Father has not planted will be uprooted.
14 "Let them alone. They are blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind leads the blind, both will fall into a ditch."
(NKJ) Your accusations aren't touching me, because I have been chosen, and can't be found guilty, having been washed clean, in The Blood of The Lamb.

I'm sorry that you believe that my heart is far from The Lord, but it can't be, since He has made His Abode with me, and we share a more intimate relationship than I am able to share with anyone but Him.

I don't worship Him for any reason except the very fact that He is worthy of far more than the best I could ever offer Him, and I'm not teaching any 'commandments' that I have invented, or learned from any man.

The things that you say about The Holy Ghost being limited to only ever quoting The Scriptures is what has defiled you, and you have also taken it as an 'offence' as if I am lying to you, when I tell you the truth, and trying only to do you harm; when, really, all I'm trying to do is open your eyes to the truth.

If I am a blind leader of other blind persons, then I never want to 'see,' because I have my gaze fixed on The Lord, and that is more important than seeing with natural eyes. Who and What I see is far better to me than anything that I've ever seen with my physical eyes.

Squeaky, what do you see? What is The Father doing, right now? What does He think of you? What does He want you to do next? Where has He led you, so far?

[brother Willi]

Originally posted by Aimiel

Your accusations aren't touching me, because I have been chosen, and can't be found guilty, having been washed clean, in The Blood of The Lamb.

true
you will break into tears when your life is shown you by a spirit
you will know forgiveness.

I'm sorry that you believe that my heart is far from The Lord, but it can't be, since He has made His Abode with me, and we share a more intimate relationship than I am able to share with anyone but Him.

with a sword in your hand?

I don't worship Him for any reason except the very fact that He is worthy of far more than the best I could ever offer Him, and I'm not teaching any 'commandments' that I have invented, or learned from any man.
share the Word Jesus gives us all.

The things that you say about The Holy Ghost being limited to only ever quoting The Scriptures is what has defiled you, and you have also taken it as an 'offence' as if I am lying to you, when I tell you the truth, and trying only to do you harm; when, really, all I'm trying to do is open your eyes to the truth.

what i call the Holy Ghost is the part of God that Comands the spirits.


If I am a blind leader of other blind persons, then I never want to 'see,' because I have my gaze fixed on The Lord, and that is more important than seeing with natural eyes. Who and What I see is far better to me than anything that I've ever seen with my physical eyes.
true

[Aimiel]

Originally posted by brother Willi

with a sword in your hand?Yes, I call it my 'peacemaker.' I don't carry it in vain, either. Do you believe that the police are your enemies, or ministers of God, acting on your behalf?what i call the Holy Ghost is the part of God that Comands the spirits.The Eternal Purpose of God is expressed in His Word, and His Spirit shares His Presence with His children. The Lord is That spirit, and where The Spirit of The Lord is, there is Liberty. :thumb:

[brother Willi]

Originally posted by Aimiel

Yes, I call it my 'peacemaker.' I don't carry it in vain, either. Do you believe that the police are your enemies, or ministers of God, acting on your behalf?

not on my behalf,i agreed you need them.
and if you need them, then i must live with them

The Eternal Purpose of God is expressed in His Word, and His Spirit shares His Presence with His children. The Lord is That spirit, and where The Spirit of The Lord is, there is Liberty. :thumb: :thumb:

[Aimiel]

No, you're mistaken. They are acting on your behalf, for they are ministers of God, sent by Him, for your sake. They are a terror to criminals, but to us, they are ministers of God.

For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: for he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.

[brother Willi]

you live in a world that needs a sword

you dont have to

[Aimiel]

As long as there are lost humans and stray demons on this earth, the 'sword' will be necessary. Until Jesus reigns over this earth, there will be wars, and rumors of them. If they invade my block, I'll be ready. If they come to yours, I guess it will be easy pickin's. You're just not using common sense, and not studying your Bible.

[Squeakybro]

Aimiel you have discribed deception by satan.
God put all them what you call limitations on Himself so that we can follow the Word and not be deceived. But everything you have claimed is all the things the Word says satan will do. Wake up

2 Cor 11:14-15
14 And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.
(NKJ)

II Th 2:4-5
4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
5 Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things?
(NKJ)

[Aimiel]

You have shown me nothing, because there is no light in you. You also cannot see the light I'm trying to give you, because of your blindness. If you think that I'm deceived by Satan, please show me where. You have yet to do so. You're deceived, if you think that the hogwash you've been posting is any kind of 'revelation.' The light that is in you is darkness, indeed. You lack basic understanding, and couldn't handle a single true piece of 'meat,' even when I try to spoon-feed it to you. You have allowed yourself to become established, and that is the most dangerous position to be in. You believe that you can't be taught anything by human beings, so you refuse Truth, even when someone seeks only your edification by giving you spoonful after spoonful of it. You're being redundant, and obtuse.

[Squeakybro]

you said
if you think that the hogwash you've been posting is any kind of 'revelation.' The light that is in you is darkness, indeed

I said
Now your mocking Gods Word. I tried to explain to someone one time that if they were deceived they couldnt know. The only way to tell is if they would judge themselves with the Word of God to see if they could accept the verses. You just dont accept any verses as authority over your carnal mind. That is so sad.
Do you reject Paul for having revelations also?

Eph 3:2-4
2 if indeed you have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which was given to me for you,
3 how that by revelation He made known to me the mystery (as I have briefly written already,
4 by which, when you read, you may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ),
(NKJ)

[Aimiel]

Paul really had revelations. You're not Paul. You're not even as bright as the biggest dullard in The Scriptures, Thomas, who recognized Jesus for Who He is, when he said, "My Lord and my God!!!"

[Squeakybro]

Your getting boreing. You talk alot but you dont say anything with any substance in it. Are you a trinitarian?

[Aimiel]

What is a trinitarian?

[Squeakybro]

You REALLY shouldnt be opening your mouth.

James 3:1-11

1 My brethren, let not many of you become teachers, knowing that we shall receive a stricter judgment.
2 For we all stumble in many things. If anyone does not stumble in word, he is a perfect man, able also to bridle the whole body.
3 Indeed, we put bits in horses' mouths that they may obey us, and we turn their whole body.
4 Look also at ships: although they are so large and are driven by fierce winds, they are turned by a very small rudder wherever the pilot desires.
5 Even so the tongue is a little member and boasts great things. See how great a forest a little fire kindles!
6 And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity. The tongue is so set among our members that it defiles the whole body, and sets on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire by hell.
7 For every kind of beast and bird, of reptile and creature of the sea, is tamed and has been tamed by mankind.
8 But no man can tame the tongue. It is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison.
9 With it we bless our God and Father, and with it we curse men, who have been made in the similitude of God.
10 Out of the same mouth proceed blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not to be so.
11 Does a spring send forth fresh water and bitter from the same opening?
(NKJ)

[Aimiel]

I am typing, and I keep my mouth closed when I type, even though I pray, continually. The Lord has told us that we are not to be like a horse or a mule, which have to be turned with a bit and bridle, but we're to allow Him to guide us with His Eye. His Eye (The Holy Ghost) lives inside of me. Can a man take Fire in his belly, and not be burned? Our God is an All-Consuming Fire. His Fire has kindled my very bones. My sustenance comes from Him, The True Bread of Heaven, Jesus.

[brother Willi]

Aimiel
what does Squeakybro's last reply say?

[Aimiel]

Shut up.

[brother Willi]

Originally posted by Aimiel

Shut up.
you sure bout that?

[Squeakybro]

you said
. His Eye (The Holy Ghost) lives inside of me. Can a man take Fire in his belly, and not be burned? Our God is an All-Consuming Fire. His Fire has kindled my very bones. My sustenance comes from Him, The True Bread of Heaven, Jesus.

I said
What in the world is this? And you should listen to willi

[Aimiel]

Originally posted by brother Willi

you sure bout that? Read it, and tell me what you think it says.

[Aimiel]

Originally posted by Squeakybro

you said
. His Eye (The Holy Ghost) lives inside of me. Can a man take Fire in his belly, and not be burned? Our God is an All-Consuming Fire. His Fire has kindled my very bones. My sustenance comes from Him, The True Bread of Heaven, Jesus.

I said
What in the world is this?Application of The Word of God, by someone who has Him living inside of himself. What do you think it is? Do you understand these doctrines, or are you still in the dark?

[brother Willi]

Originally posted by Aimiel

Application of The Word of God, by someone who has Him living inside of himself. What do you think it is? Do you understand these doctrines, or are you still in the dark?

Aimiel, do you understand your point?

[Squeakybro]

??????????????????????/

[brother Willi]

Originally posted by Squeakybro



I said
What in the world is this? And you should listen to willi

well, listen to Jesus, all i do is repeat his Words.

[Aimiel]

You need to understand and appropriate the promises that Jesus made, not just mouth His Words; and especially take them out of their context, as Squeakybro does, and as is the habit of many, who don't know God at all. The Lord will overlook these kinds of errors, for He has mercy that's renewed every single day, but He cannot allow someone to continue to miss out and teach error until some of His Little Ones are led astray. That is why many miss out on a long life, because they don't listen to His Spirit, even when He has to resort to speaking to them through others, because they have turned a deaf ear to Him. He doesn't mind being grieved, even every single day, but when He exhausts His efforts to bring someone to an understanding of Truth, and they refuse Him all day long, every day; well, eventually He will have to allow them to be taken out of the way, if they are hindering someone, or teaching error where He needs there to be pure light. He will not strive with men forever. His patience with sin is not inexhaustible. He will draw the line, and when He does, look out. I pray that you repent before it comes to that.

[Squeakybro]

Aimiel there you go again with your redaric. Long life doesnt mean your blessed, it means you havent made it yet you need more time.
What your saying is Jesus was cursed because He only lived 33 years.

I Jn 2:15-17
15 Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
16 For all that is in the world-- the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life-- is not of the Father but is of the world.
17 And the world is passing away, and the lust of it; but he who does the will of God abides forever.
(NKJ)

[Aimiel]

Originally posted by Squeakybro

Aimiel there you go again with your redaric.What, that I have said, do you believe to be rhetorical?Long life doesnt mean your blessed, it means you havent made it yet you need more time.Then why does The Lord say that we will be blessed with long life if we honor our parents?
What your saying is Jesus was cursed because He only lived 33 years.No, I'm not. He chose to submit to the power of darkness and death for our sake, at the height of His Ministry. He actually became accurssed (since The Word of God says that anyone who is hanged upon a tree {execution}) is cursed. I don't believe that He could have died, had He not submitted to being hung on that cross. :thumb:

[Squeakybro]

you said
What, that I have said, do you believe to be rhetorical?
quote:
Long life doesnt mean your blessed, it means you havent made it yet you need more time.

Then why does The Lord say that we will be blessed with long life if we honor our parents?

I said
Now who do you suppose He is talking to here. When He says honor your parents. Do you think He is talking to grownups or do you think maybe He is refering to children. Duh!

[brother Willi]

Originally posted by Squeakybro

Aimiel there you go again with your redaric. Long life doesnt mean your blessed, it means you havent made it yet you need more time.
What your saying is Jesus was cursed because He only lived 33 years.

I Jn 2:15-17
15 Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
16 For all that is in the world-- the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life-- is not of the Father but is of the world.
17 And the world is passing away, and the lust of it; but he who does the will of God abides forever.
(NKJ) :thumb:

but this dont mean you cant enjoy life.

never get carryed away with the joy and be a problem to your family.

[brother Willi]

Long life might be a gift of joy,

the flesh is short.

1 compared to infinity

[Aimiel]

Originally posted by Squeakybro

Now who do you suppose He is talking to here. When He says honor your parents. Do you think He is talking to grownups or do you think maybe He is refering to children. Duh! Well, I don't think that children will worry about long life, or even do anything because they're told that they can gain it. They don't have any idea what death is, either. He is definitely referring to 'grown-ups' who don't have enough sense to honor their parents unless He commands them to. Do you believe children or grown-ups? It wasn't made clear in your reply.

[brother Willi]

life in the flesh can be a joy, but its nothin to write home about compared to what will

[Squeakybro]

Aimiel what do you do just make this stuff up as you see fit. Dont you ever read before you open your mouth. It starts out with Children, see the word children.

Eph 6:1-4

1 Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right.
2 "Honor your father and mother," which is the first commandment with promise:
3 "that it may be well with you and you may live long on the earth."
4 And you, fathers, do not provoke your children to wrath, but bring them up in the training and admonition of the Lord.
(NKJ)

[Dread Helm]

:troll:

[Squeaky]

Aimiel did you change your name?

[Aimiel]

Yes, Squeaky, I used to go by the pseudonym of famousGandalf7. I changed it to the name that The Lord gave me, years ago, when He instructed me to do so. When I did, it was the first time that anyone knew of that name, other than The Lord and myself. Aimiel means, "God of my people." The Lord is my God, and He is The One Who told me to use this name. I think of food, every time I read it, since it sounds like, "A meal," but you already know I was big on :spam:

There are spirits in us trying to deceive us and they all speak the same language carnal.You really need to do something about this problem. You need to get deliverance from these evil spirits, and, until you do, you will never realize that you are lost, but you will continue to think that you are "the light of the world," and yet you go around trying to spread darkness. Your understanding is darkened, your 'revelations' are darkness and your speech is that of a lost, carnal dead man. :doh:

[Squeaky]

Aimiel you said
You really need to do something about this problem. You need to get deliverance from these evil spirits, and, until you do, you will never realize that you are lost, but you will continue to think that you are "the light of the world," and yet you go around trying to spread darkness. Your understanding is darkened, your 'revelations' are darkness and your speech is that of a lost, carnal dead man

I said
And the only evidence you can share is your opinion????????

[Dread Helm]

If you learn how to use the "Quote" feature it's much easier to read.

[Squeaky]

Thank you.

[Aimiel]

And the only evidence you can share is your opinion?No, quite the contrary, I've given you hundreds of scriptures, and the things that I say and do represent a living epistle, since what I say and do lines up with The Word of God. What you post always diametrically opposes The Word of God, and you don't understand what error you stand in. :confused:

[Squeaky]

Aimiel you said
No, quite the contrary, I've given you hundreds of scriptures, and the things that I say and do represent a living epistle, since what I say and do lines up with The Word of God. What you post always diametrically opposes The Word of God, and you don't understand what error you stand in

I said
Do you chase your tail? You just think YOU LINE UP with the Word. I actually post the Word and even show where it is at so I can be checked. You use one or two words from a verse and add your carnality to it and call that the Word. It isnt. I'm sorry but you are badly deceived

[Aimiel]

I'm sorry but you are badly deceivedSqueaky,

Please show me where you believe I am deceived. I would like to know what you believe I am doing which is against The Word of God or where it is that you believe I don't line up with what The Scriptures say.

[Squeaky]

Aimiel because of the way you rely on your own opinion. And these are just the basics.

Rom 12:16
16 Be of the same mind toward one another. Do not set your mind on high things, but associate with the humble. Do not be wise in your own opinion.
(NKJ)

Because you blaspheme the Holy Spirit in me. You claim the Holy Spirit doesnt just quote verses.

John 14:26
26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
(NKJ)

John 16:13-14
13 "However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.
14 "He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you.
(NKJ)

Because you are deceived into thinking God has sent you and He hasnt.

John 3:34
34 "For He whom God has sent speaks the words of God, for God does not give the Spirit by measure.
(NKJ)

[Aimiel]

Squeaky,

I am of 'the same mind' toward Christians. It just so happens that you aren't one. That is the basic difference between you and I. We believe differently.

The 'helper' that you refer to isn't The Holy Spirit, because if he were, you wouldn't disagree with God's Word, you would produce the fruit which The Holy Spirit always brings. I've seen people with birth defects and even mental retardation produce far more fruit for The Kingdom than you've shown, even all tolled.

I speak to you the words of God, quite often, and you never recognize them as coming from God, since you're not in agreement with Him.

[Squeaky]

Aimiel you said

I am of 'the same mind' toward Christians. It just so happens that you aren't one. That is the basic difference between you and I. We believe differently.

I said
We do believe differently. I am in the meat and your still in the milk. I walk after the Holy Spirit and prove it. You assume you know who the Spirit is and you guess at it.

John 14:26
26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
(NKJ)
I demonstrate the Spirit. While you demonstrate your arrogance.

1 Cor 2:4-7
4 And my speech and my preaching were not with persuasive words of human wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power,
5 that your faith should not be in the wisdom of men but in the power of God.
6 However, we speak wisdom among those who are mature, yet not the wisdom of this age, nor of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing.
7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God ordained before the ages for our glory,
(NKJ)

[Aimiel]

We do believe differently. I am in the meat and your still in the milk. I walk after the Holy Spirit and prove it. You assume you know who the Spirit is and you guess at it. If you are in some meat, maybe you should become a vegetarian, because that meat is rotten. You're not walking after anything but doctrines of demons; a demon who has named itself 'holy spirit' isn't from God. Again, the only proof you give us is a lack of understanding of The Word of God and mis-quoted and out-of-context verses thrown together illogically.

[Squeaky]

Aimiel you said
If you are in some meat, maybe you should become a vegetarian, because that meat is rotten

I said
If you only knew how self condemning you are you would fall down on your knees and beg God to forgive you.

Heb 5:13-14
13 For everyone who partakes only of milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, for he is a babe.
14 But solid food belongs to those who are of full age, that is, those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
(NKJ)

What you should ask yourself is this. What come out of your mouth abundantly. Carnality or verses?

Matt 12:34-37
34 "Brood of vipers! How can you, being evil, speak good things? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.
35 "A good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth good things, and an evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth evil things.
36 "But I say to you that for every idle word men may speak, they will give account of it in the day of judgment.
37 "For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned."
(NKJ)

[Grace2UX]

Aimiel,

You said:
Squeaky, If you are in some meat, maybe you should become a vegetarian, because that meat is rotten. You're not walking after anything but doctrines of demons; a demon who has named itself 'holy spirit' isn't from God. Again, the only proof you give us is a lack of understanding of The Word of God and mis-quoted and out-of-context verses thrown together illogically.

Answer:
Amen!

[Squeaky]

Grace2u we all know your not in the meat. The problem is that I dont know if your even in the milk. You still rely on your maybe, almost, could be, might be, think it is state of mind. When your beliefs are all circumstantial that makes your salvation circumstantial. It amazes me how these verses go right over your head.

2 Cor 5:19
19 that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
(NKJ)

John 14:10
10 "Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works.
(NKJ)

John 14:10-11
10 "Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works.
11 "Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe Me for the sake of the works themselves.
(NKJ)

Matt 27:46
46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, "Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?" that is, "My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?"
(NKJ)

It is so simple. God was in Jesus doing all the miracles and works through Jesus. Then God left Jesus to die alone.
That is evidence that you have never entered the kingdom of God(inside yourself) to resist the devil. And it is so plan that God can also work through us if we humble ourselves. But it won't make us God and it didnt make Jesus, God.

All your circumstantial verses do not override a factual verse. When I use the term TB7 "and" myself I am not implying that we are the same being. And all your circumstantial verses where it uses the term my God "and" my Lord it is not implying they are the same being.
I know from experance just what Paul was saying in these verses. I have great sorrow and continual grief in my heart over you, because you also believe that Jesus is God.

Rom 9:1-8

1 I tell the truth in Christ, I am not lying, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Spirit,
2 that I have great sorrow and continual grief in my heart.
3 For I could wish that I myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my countrymen according to the flesh,
4 who are Israelites, to whom pertain the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the service of God, and the promises;
5 of whom are the fathers and from whom, according to the flesh, Christ came, who is over all, the eternally blessed God. Amen.
6 But it is not that the word of God has taken no effect. For they are not all Israel who are of Israel,
7 nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, "In Isaac your seed shall be called."
8 That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed.
(NKJ)

But if you would only believe the factual verses without perverting them it would be so simple.

John 7:38
38 "He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water."
(NKJ)

1 Cor 8:6
6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live.
(NKJ)

Eph 4:6
6 one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
(NKJ)

1 Tim 2:5
5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus,
(NKJ)

What i mean is this. Even the demons know more about who God is than you.

James 2:19
19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe-- and tremble!
(NKJ)

[Aimiel]

We (Christians, that is) are able to know one another. We know that others are Christians by their love for the bretheren. By 'bretheren' I mean those who know in Whom they have believed, and don't make up things about Him as they go along, and then try to teach those false 'doctrines' to others as if they are true, and quote scriptures out-of-context to prove to others their lack of skill with The Word of God.

[Squeaky]

Aimiel well Duh!??????????

[Aimiel]

Squeaky,

You're not recognized as one of our Christian 'bretheren,' because of your unorthodoxy. You don't believe God's Word, you oppose It. Your doctrine doesn't line up with what God said in His Word.

[Squeaky]

Aimiel you said
You're not recognized as one of our Christian 'bretheren,' because of your unorthodoxy.

I said
God doesnt even believe in your orthodox.

Mark 7:5-9
bread with unwashed hands?"
6 He answered and said to them, "Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: 'This people honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me.
7 And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.'
8 "For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men-- the washing of pitchers and cups, and many other such things you do."
9 And He said to them, "All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition.
(NKJ)

[Aimiel]

Aimiel you said
You're not recognized as one of our Christian 'bretheren,' because of your unorthodoxy.

I said
God doesnt even believe in your orthodox.The devil is a liar. God would not have had His Word printed on paper if He didn't want us to be able to find out The Truth about Him. That Truth causes Christians (those who hold to orthodox doctrine) to follow Him, and to come into a relationship with Him. If your god doesn't believe in standards or in sound doctrine, that is because he is asleep, or doesn't exist. We know in Whom we have believed, because He fellowships with us. You're imagining that you have a relationship with God, because you've memorized a few verses. That's foolish.

[Squeaky]

Aimiel you said
That Truth causes Christians (those who hold to orthodox doctrine) to follow Him, and to come into a relationship with Him

I said
your orthodox of the trinity only started in 325 AD with the Nicine Creed. It changed the orthodox that was in affect from the foundation of the apostles. Orthodox means traditional. You started with a tradition that wasnt an original tradition. You started 325 years to late with your tradition.

[Aimiel]

your orthodox of the trinity only started in 325 AD with the Nicine Creed. It changed the orthodox that was in affect from the foundation of the apostles. I have a trinity, I mean I am a spirit-being (just like my Heavenly Father is A Spirit) and I have a soul (just as The Holy Ghost is The Soul or Personality of God) and live in a body (Jesus is The Head of The Body of Christ, who is The Body of The Lord). The Trinity, meaning God, The Father, Son and Spirit, were taught by all of the Apostles, including Paul, and all the other apostles that came after them. You're reading too many blogs or books, and need to keep your nose in The Word of God.

[Squeaky]

The only trinity is the Word of God is.

Rev 12:9
9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
(NKJ)

And Paul never taught the trinity. He taught there is one God the Father.

1 Cor 8:6
6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live.
(NKJ)

Jesus never taught the trinity. He taught the Father is the only true God.

John 17:1-3
1 Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: "Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You,
2 "as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as You have given Him.
3 "And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.
(NKJ)

[Aimiel]

You put too much weight upon punctuation, which hadn't been invented when The Word of God was written. To know The Only True God and Jesus Christ whom The Father sent, you have to accept the fact that He is One. He is not two or three, He is One. This Mystery of God, being Father, Son and Spirit, yet being One, is not something that we can comprehend, since we are finite beings with a finite number of brain cells. He is Infinite. His Being cannot be seen by our form. He had to 'take on' The Form of Flesh so that we could see Him. That Flesh is God, Jesus. The Holy Spirit is also God, since God is Spirit. The Father is God, as well as The Son and The Spirit. They are not three gods, they are One. They are not the same, they are different aspects or different facets of The Same Being, God. We are a spirit that has a soul and lives in a body. We are not three people, but we have three different aspects or facets. Jesus taught that He and The Father are One. If we see Jesus we see The Father and The Spirit, in One. They are One. Also, Paul taught that Jesus is 'before' all things. That means that He existed before anything else did. Think about that. Before creation started, God is all there is. Jesus existed, because He is 'before' everything. It is Jesus, also, that holds the very elements together. Paul said, "Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: in whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: for by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: and he is before all things, and by him all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence." It is clear that Paul understood that Jesus is God. It is also clear that you don't.

[Squeaky]

THE 'ARE ONE' DELUSION
WE ARE ONE WITH CHRIST AND GOD AND HOLY SPIRIT
IF JESUS IS GOD BECAUSE OF THE ONENESS-THEN WE ARE GOD. NOT SO!
John 10:30
30 "I and My Father are one."
(NKJ)
John 17:22
22 "And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one:
I Jn 5:7-8
7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.
8 And there are three that bear witness on earth: the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree as one.
1 Cor 12:12-14
12 For as the body is one and has many members, but all the members of that one body, being many, are one body, so also is Christ.
13 For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body-- whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free-- and have all been made to drink into one Spirit.
14 For in fact the body is not one member but many.
1 Cor 10:16-17
16 The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?
17 For we, though many, are one bread and one body; for we all partake of that one bread.
1 Cor 3:7-11
7 So then neither he who plants is anything, nor he who waters, but God who gives the increase.
8 Now he who plants and he who waters are one, and each one will receive his own reward according to his own labor.
9 For we are God's fellow workers; you are God's field, you are God's building.
10 According to the grace of God which was given to me, as a wise master builder I have laid the foundation, and another builds on it. But let each one take heed how he builds on it.
11 For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
Rom 12:5
5 so we, being many, are one body in Christ, and individually members of one another.
John 17:20-23
20 "I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word;
21 "that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me.
22 "And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one:
23 "I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me.
John 10:29-30
29 "My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father's hand.
30 "I and My Father are one."
Eph 4:4-6
4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling;
5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism;
6 one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
1 Cor 6:17
17 But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him.
Matt 10:32-33
32 "Therefore whoever confesses Me before men, him I will also confess before My Father who is in heaven.
33 "But whoever denies Me before men, him I will also deny before My Father who is in heaven.
1 Cor 11:1
1 Imitate me, just as I also imitate Christ.
2 Cor 10:4-5
4 For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds,
5 casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ,
1 Cor 11:3
3 But I want you to know that the head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.
Rom 16:25-27
25 Now to Him who is able to establish you according to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery kept secret since the world began
26 but now has been made manifest, and by the prophetic Scriptures has been made known to all nations, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, for obedience to the faith--
27 to God, alone wise, be glory through Jesus Christ forever. Amen.
1 Cor 1:10
10 Now I plead with you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
Rom 12:16
16 Be of the same mind toward one another. Do not set your mind on high things, but associate with the humble. Do not be wise in your own opinion.
Phil 3:16
16 Nevertheless, to the degree that we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us be of the same mind.
2 Cor 4:13-14
13 And since we have the same spirit of faith, according to what is written, "I believed and therefore I spoke," we also believe and therefore speak,
14 knowing that He who raised up the Lord Jesus will also raise us up with Jesus, and will present us with you.
(NKJ)
xxOneness is all about agreement. John 17-22 Jesus prayed that we may be one the same way that Jesus and God are one. Jesus submitted to every Word of God that shows His agreement. We are to submit to every Word of God to show our agreement.
Jesus prayed John 17-22 that we "are one" with Jesus and God the Father. And that doesnt make us God any more than it made Jesus God to be one with God.

[Aimiel]

Jesus prayed that we may be one the same way that Jesus and God are one.Yes, He wants us (the church) to be one (with one another, the implied article) just as He and His Father are One. They are One, in full agreement with one another, and there is no division, because they agree completely. If you agreed completely, with God, you'd already be with Him, just like Enoch. You know who Enoch was, right? He was taken to Heaven because of his agreement (oneness) with God.Jesus submitted to every Word of God that shows His agreement.Jesus is The Word of God, made flesh.Jesus prayed John 17-22 that we "are one" with Jesus and God the Father.No, He wants us to be 'one' with one another. He wants us to love one another with the same love that He and The Father share for one another.

[Squeaky]

Aimiel you said
. They are One, in full agreement with one another, and there is no division, because they agree completely. If you agreed completely, with God, you'd already be with Him,

I said
Are you saying that anyone walking on earth is not in total agreement with God???? Your implying that Jesus was not in total agreement with God while He walked on earth.

[Aimiel]

Are you saying that anyone walking on earth is not in total agreement with God? Your implying that Jesus was not in total agreement with God while He walked on earth.If by anyone, you mean today, then, yes. There is none righteous, not one seeks God. Jesus was in agreement with God before creation began, during creation, while He was in The Form of Flesh and now is seated at The Right Hand of All Power and Majesty, and is still and always will be in perfect union with The Father, since they are Both God. God, The Father, Son and Holy Ghost, blessed forevermore, amen.

[truebeliever7]

Aimiel you said
If you are in some meat, maybe you should become a vegetarian, because that meat is rotten

I said
If you only knew how self condemning you are you would fall down on your knees and beg God to forgive you.

Heb 5:13-14
13 For everyone who partakes only of milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, for he is a babe.
14 But solid food belongs to those who are of full age, that is, those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
(NKJ)

What you should ask yourself is this. What come out of your mouth abundantly. Carnality or verses?

Matt 12:34-37
34 "Brood of vipers! How can you, being evil, speak good things? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.
35 "A good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth good things, and an evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth evil things.
36 "But I say to you that for every idle word men may speak, they will give account of it in the day of judgment.
37 "For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned."
(NKJ)


tell me what do these verses say to you. because they sure dont say man is going to teach us the wisdom of God. because it is foolishness to him.

1 Cor 2:9-15
9 But as it is written: "Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, nor have entered into the heart of man the things which God has prepared for those who love Him."
10 But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God.
11 For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God.
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God.
13 These things we also speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
15 But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one.
(NKJ)

[Aimiel]

To me these verses describe what God is able to do in the life of a spirit-filled believer, by revealing the joys of Heaven to us, even before we get there. We can be shown His Plans and help to carry them out in the earth. The gifts and ministries of The Holy Spirit don't (mostly) benefit the natural man (flesh) since He ministers to our spirit and is in perfect communnion with him, if we are Christian. The one who is spiritual is one who is able to listen to The Holy Spirit, and hear what He is saying, through his own spirit, and He grants discernment, both of what God is saying to him and where others stand, who profess faith. God doesn't normally share someone's spiritual status with others, except to give others burdens to pray or for ministry purposes. He isn't One to go around airing anyone's dirty laundry.

[Squeaky]

Aimiel you said
The gifts and ministries of The Holy Spirit don't (mostly) benefit the natural man (flesh) since He ministers to our spirit and is in perfect communnion with him, if we are Christian. The one who is spiritual is one who is able to listen to The Holy Spirit, and hear what He is saying, through his own spirit,

I said
That is more of the milk understanding. If you find the real Holy Spirit the flesh doesnt profit nothing.

John 6:63
63 "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.
(NKJ)

[Aimiel]

Aimiel you said
The gifts and ministries of The Holy Spirit don't (mostly) benefit the natural man (flesh) since He ministers to our spirit and is in perfect communnion with him, if we are Christian. The one who is spiritual is one who is able to listen to The Holy Spirit, and hear what He is saying, through his own spirit,

I said
That is more of the milk understanding. If you find the real Holy Spirit the flesh doesnt profit nothing.

John 6:63
63 "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.
(NKJ)You're not even reading what I said. You're just saying what you want to say without any regard to what I've said. There is no imitation Holy Spirit, you're demon has you deceived into thinking that it is The Holy Spirit, but he doesn't produce the fruit in you that The Holy Spirit would, if you were under His Guidance. He doesn't cause someone to become confused and stuck holding The Truth in un-righteousness. You've gotten established, and it isn't in good ground.

[Squeaky]

Aimiel you said
You're not even reading what I said. You're just saying what you want to say without any regard to what I've said. There is no imitation Holy Spirit, you're demon has you deceived into thinking that it is The Holy Spirit,

I said
Your not reading the verses the Holy Spirit is trying to get you to accept. You ever look them because of that spirit in you that says he is the Holy Spirit. And you just submit to him.
The Word of God is living and powerful. But you dont even know what the Word is.

Heb 4:12-13
12 For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
13 And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are naked and open to the eyes of Him to whom we must give account.
(NKJ)

[Aimiel]

Your not reading the verses the Holy Spirit is trying to get you to accept. You ever look them because of that spirit in you that says he is the Holy Spirit. And you just submit to him.
The Word of God is living and powerful. But you dont even know what the Word is.

Heb 4:12-13
12 For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
13 And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are naked and open to the eyes of Him to whom we must give account.
(NKJ)Squeaky, the lack of understanding that you display has shown you to be less than poorly equipped and unable to understand the liberty that God has available to us. It has shown, time and again, that you're not only un-learned in The Ways of The Lord, but incapable of even understanding the basic principles of salvation. You've shown your thoughts and the intents of your heart by confessing that you only reply to me to keep your threads at the top of the Active page, which is self-glorification. How can you post verses that glaringly judge your own actions and then not understand that you're miserable, bliind, poor and naked?

[Squeaky]

Aimiel you said
You've shown your thoughts and the intents of your heart by confessing that you only reply to me to keep your threads at the top of the Active page, which is self-glorification

I said
Not so. I talk to you because you keep my threads at the top of the list. I dont do it to keep my threads at the top of the list. You do.

[Aimiel]

Well, Squeaky, I guess I'm just here to try to edify you and lift you up. God knows you need it.

[Squeaky]

Aimiel you said
Well, Squeaky, I guess I'm just here to try to edify you and lift you up. God knows you need it

I said
That cant be. You havent done one thing that relates to edifying anyone. Edify means to build others up with more verses so they can fight against the wiles of the devil. You dont even know what the Word means.

Eph 6:11-17
11 Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.
13 Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
14 Stand therefore, having girded your waist with truth, having put on the breastplate of righteousness,
15 and having shod your feet with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
16 above all, taking the shield of faith with which you will be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked one.
17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God;
(NKJ)

[truebeliever7]

Aimiel you said
No, quite the contrary, I've given you hundreds of scriptures, and the things that I say and do represent a living epistle, since what I say and do lines up with The Word of God. What you post always diametrically opposes The Word of God, and you don't understand what error you stand in

I said
Do you chase your tail? You just think YOU LINE UP with the Word. I actually post the Word and even show where it is at so I can be checked. You use one or two words from a verse and add your carnality to it and call that the Word. It isnt. I'm sorry but you are badly deceived

I'd have to agree with you squeaky I havent seen that much scripture of any from Aimiel.

the Holy Spirit has the answer for Aimiel.


Rom 12:16
16 Be of the same mind toward one another. Do not set your mind on high things, but associate with the humble. Do not be wise in your own opinion.
(NKJ)

:kookoo:

[truebeliever7]

Squeaky,

Please show me where you believe I am deceived. I would like to know what you believe I am doing which is against The Word of God or where it is that you believe I don't line up with what The Scriptures say.

how this for starters?
let me help if you arent abiding by these verses you are going to lose because Jesus tells us the Holy Spirit is our teacher not man with mans lack of wisdom. about God how could man possible understand the wisdom of God? he couldnt that is why the Holy Spirit is sent read verses 12 and 13 its pretty clear. shoot just read 9-16 until it makes sense to you.
1 Cor 2:9-16
9 But as it is written: "Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, nor have entered into the heart of man the things which God has prepared for those who love Him."
10 But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God.
11 For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God.
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God.
13 These things we also speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
15 But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one.
16 For "who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct Him?" But we have the mind of Christ.
(NKJ)
:doh: :doh: :doh:

[Aimiel]

let me help if you arent abiding by these verses you are going to lose because Jesus tells us the Holy Spirit is our teacher not man with mans lack of wisdom.You're speaking words of "man's wisdom" which disagree with The Word of God and with The Holy Ghost. If you knew what The Word of God says or had ever met The Holy Ghost, you'd know better than to pervert truth to try to validate your doctrine. The fact that you don't recognize Christians as your fellow-believers lets us know that you're strangers, and un-recognized in the beloved. You have rotten fruit. You're out-of-touch with God, and don't have anything in common with The Body of Christ. We're of the same mind toward one another, because we're in agreement that God's Kingdom (salvation) is first place, always, in our actions. You don't have anything in mind but justifying your own demonic doctrine by trying to plaster scripture upon your posts to show how 'spiritual' you are, which only demonstrates your foolishness and lack of understanding. The Word of God isn't a toy, but you make it nearly worthless, by your cockeyed usage of It.

[Dread Helm]

I'd have to agree with you squeaky I havent seen that much scripture of any from Aimiel.

the Holy Spirit has the answer for Aimiel.


Rom 12:16
16 Be of the same mind toward one another. Do not set your mind on high things, but associate with the humble. Do not be wise in your own opinion.
(NKJ)

:kookoo: Dude, by your own admission you're not allowed to judge. So quit doing it.

[truebeliever7]

Dude, by your own admission you're not allowed to judge. So quit doing it.

dude if you use righteous judgment you can.
John 7:24
24 "Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment."
(NKJ)

read your bible. :cool:

[truebeliever7]

You're speaking words of "man's wisdom" which disagree with The Word of God and with The Holy Ghost. If you knew what The Word of God says or had ever met The Holy Ghost, you'd know better than to pervert truth to try to validate your doctrine. The fact that you don't recognize Christians as your fellow-believers lets us know that you're strangers, and un-recognized in the beloved. You have rotten fruit. You're out-of-touch with God, and don't have anything in common with The Body of Christ. We're of the same mind toward one another, because we're in agreement that God's Kingdom (salvation) is first place, always, in our actions. You don't have anything in mind but justifying your own demonic doctrine by trying to plaster scripture upon your posts to show how 'spiritual' you are, which only demonstrates your foolishness and lack of understanding. The Word of God isn't a toy, but you make it nearly worthless, by your cockeyed usage of It.


ok just read the verses you are still wrong.
1 Cor 2:9-15
9 But as it is written: "Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, nor have entered into the heart of man the things which God has prepared for those who love Him."
10 But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God.
11 For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God.
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God.
13 These things we also speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
15 But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one.
(NKJ)

:doh:

[Aimiel]

I didn't think it was possible, but I believe TB7's posts make even less sense than Squeaky's. Maybe it's Son of Squeaky.

[Squeaky]

Aimiel you said
You're speaking words of "man's wisdom" which disagree with The Word of God and with The Holy Ghost. If you knew what The Word of God says or had ever met The Holy Ghost, you'd know better than to pervert truth to try to validate your doctrine. The fact that you don't recognize Christians as your fellow-believers lets us know that you're strangers, and un-recognized in the beloved. You have rotten fruit. You're out-of-touch with God, and don't have anything in common with The Body of Christ.

I said
I can see you still fancy yourself as a spin-doctor. TB7 posts the Word of God, and your still trying to dispute it with your own opinion. How many times does someone have to explain to you that your opinion is not scripture? Duh!

[Dread Helm]

dude if you use righteous judgment you can.
John 7:24
24 "Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment."
(NKJ)

read your bible. :cool: I know! I'm all for being a righteous judge! Something you are miserable at.

[Grace2UX]

Squeaky,

If you just posted scripture then you wouldn't have a problem. The problem is that every word you speak on your own is a perversion of the very scripture you post.

Now, the milk of the scripture is that Jesus is our great God and Savior.

Can you accept that?

[Squeaky]

Grace2u I'm not the problem here. I'm not the one that is abiding in the milk. It's you that refuse to go into the meat and find out the truth. Its ok if you want to play around in the milk and believe that. But my goodness you've been in the milk for years now. The milk is only three years long. And I've seen you in the milk for atleast 8 years now. When are you going to grow as a christian?
Your still a child in christianity, why do you keep arguing with the grown-ups?

1 Cor 13:11
11 When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
(NKJ)

Heb 5:13-14
13 For everyone who partakes only of milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, for he is a babe.
14 But solid food belongs to those who are of full age, that is, those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
(NKJ)

[Grace2UX]

Squeaky,

Let's face it, the Christian church has always called your teaching heresy. Don't you ever wonder why no Christian church of any denomination, or non-denomination will abide your teachings. You go from Christian forum to Christian forum and you hear the same thing that Aimiel and others tell you here. You are following a spirit from satan who has lead you into error, lies, and blindness.

It is sad when someone like yourself chooses to blind themselves to the truth. But, I asked you a question. You must first start by accepting the basic milk of the Gospel, which is that Jesus is our great God and Savior.

Can you do that?

Titus 2:13
..looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ...

[truebeliever7]

Squeaky,

Let's face it, the Christian church has always called your teaching heresy. Don't you ever wonder why no Christian church of any denomination, or non-denomination will abide your teachings. You go from Christian forum to Christian forum and you hear the same thing that Aimiel and others tell you here. You are following a spirit from satan who has lead you into error, lies, and blindness.

It is sad when someone like yourself chooses to blind themselves to the truth. But, I asked you a question. You must first start by accepting the basic milk of the Gospel, which is that Jesus is our great God and Savior.

Can you do that?

Titus 2:13
..looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ...


still dont get it do you !

Matt 7:13-14
13 "Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it.
14 "Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.
(NKJ)

[Grace2UX]

TB7,

I see you and Squeaky are travelling together these days. I got news for you, those aren't pillows!

[Aimiel]

How many times does someone have to explain to you that your opinion is not scripture? The question is best posed to you. How many times does someone have to explain to you that your opinion is not scripture? Why do you believe that your mis-interpreted fantasy is true? Who told you to lean upon your own understanding? Why follow a lying spirit, which leads you away from truth?

I don't have an opinion of Squeaky or of TB7 which goes against The Word of God. I believe that both of you are in error. Neither of you are Christians. Christians don't oppose The Word of God. Both of you do.

[Aimiel]

But solid food belongs to those who are of full age, that is, those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.That's why you can't have any solid food yet. You haven't taken your milk, so you haven't learned discernment. You don't realize that you've aligned yourself with an evil spirit.

[Aimiel]

You go from Christian forum to Christian forum and you hear the same thing that Aimiel and others tell you here. You are following a spirit from satan who has lead you into error, lies, and blindness.

It is sad when someone like yourself chooses to blind themselves to the truth. Amen, Grace. It is very sad. I wonder how many forums he / they has been kicked out of. I wonder how many times The Lord has sent them someone (like yourself) to try to convince him of the simple truth, and seen them rejected. It is very sad indeed.

[Squeaky]

Grace2u you said
Let's face it, the Christian church has always called your teaching heresy.

I said
Only the pharisees. Ofcourse their not born again. That is the whole point you dont know the Holy Spirit so you can only follow the traditions of man. TB7 is right you just dont get it. You abide in the milk, you dont have the faith that comes from the Word of God. You have the counterfiet faith that comes from the majarity. You follow the popular not the Spirit led.

Luke 6:26
26 Woe to you when all men speak well of you, for so did their fathers to the false prophets.
(NKJ)

[Squeaky]

Aimiel you said
I don't have an opinion of Squeaky or of TB7 which goes against The Word of God. I believe that both of you are in error. Neither of you are Christians. Christians don't oppose The Word of God. Both of you do.


I said
Its sad you are turned around so backwards you cant even see it. TB7 and myself quote the Word over, and over, and over . You always reject it with your opinion. You never, never, prove us wrong with the scriptures. But you also never doubt your own opinion. Israel was blinded because they trusted their own opinions.

Rom 12:16
16 Be of the same mind toward one another. Do not set your mind on high things, but associate with the humble. Do not be wise in your own opinion.
(NKJ)

Rom 11:25
25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.
(NKJ)

You have been blinded because you trust your own opinion. You dont have a love of the Word.

II Th 2:10-12
10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie,
12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
(NKJ)

[Grace2UX]

Squeaky,

Face it! It's not just the Pharisees, it's the entire Christian church that rejects you. You don't even attend a church for that very reason. Tthe Christian church has always called your teaching heresy. Don't you ever wonder why no Christian church of any denomination, or non-denomination will abide your teachings. You go from Christian forum to Christian forum and you hear the same thing that Aimiel and others tell you here. You are following a spirit from satan who has lead you into error, lies, and blindness.

It is sad when someone like yourself chooses to blind themselves to the truth. But, I asked you a question. You must first start by accepting the basic milk of the Gospel, which is that Jesus is our great God and Savior.

Can you do that?

Titus 2:13
..looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ...

[Aimiel]

Its sad you are turned around so backwards you cant even see it. TB7 and myself quote the Word over, and over, and over .Just like a broken record. Satan can quote Scripture, too. Whether you beleive it or not, he can also quote New Testament Scripture. You don't understand that believing that he can't, and then accepting the 'scripture proofs' that demons give you is how demonic doctrine is formed.You never, never, prove us wrong with the scriptures.That's because you don't understand The Scriptures. I've quoted them to you, and you've perverted them. What I say to you is Scriptural, and I am a Living Epistle, but you don't believe The Scriptures or me. Grace2UX is a Christian, and you haven't received The Scriptures from Grace2UX, either. There have been many people quote you Scriptures, showing you the error of your ways, and you pervert what they quote and twist it around to your own liking.You dont have a love of the Word.That's a lie. I not only love The Word of God, I believe It. You pervert Truth and call it The Word of God. All you speak is foolishness.

[Aimiel]

(Speaking to Squeaky) "It's not just the Pharisees, it's the entire Christian church that rejects you."

"The Christian church has always called your teaching heresy."

"You are following a spirit from satan who has lead you into error, lies, and blindness."Amen, and amen. :BRAVO:

[Squeaky]

Grace you said

Face it! It's not just the Pharisees, it's the entire Christian church that rejects you. You don't even attend a church for that very reason. Tthe Christian church has always called your teaching heresy. Don't you ever wonder why no Christian church of any denomination, or non-denomination will abide your teachings. You go from Christian forum to Christian forum and you hear the same thing that Aimiel and others tell you here. You are following a spirit from satan who has lead you into error, lies, and blindness.

I said
Your wild imagination is at work again. I have some preacher friends that do know the truth. You are so misguided by your imagination you will never see the truth. The churches only teach the milk understanding. That is what they are called to do. I am an evangelist, I do go from place to place, that is what we do. Have you ever read the Word just to see what the different functions are in the body of Christ?
Now I dont do what you do. Try to get people to abide in the milk. Because you are not allowed in the meat because of your attitude(spirits).

Heb 5:13-6:2
13 For everyone who partakes only of milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, for he is a babe.
14 But solid food belongs to those who are of full age, that is, those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

CHAPTER 6

1 Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God,
2 of the doctrine of baptisms, of laying on of hands, of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
(NKJ)

You will never grow any further than what you are. You have become hardhearted in the milk. Read this closely. You have such a root of bitterness in you over me, you dont want peace but reveange.
And you have become defiled. That is why you have all them breakdowns.

Heb 12:14-15
14 Pursue peace with all people, and holiness, without which no one will see the Lord:
15 looking diligently lest anyone fall short of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up cause trouble, and by this many become defiled;
(NKJ)

[Aimiel]

I have some preacher friends that do know the truth.Maybe you could get some of them to share with you what The Truth is; and get delivered from your demons.I am an evangelist, I do go from place to place, that is what we do.Where? Could you give us the name of at least one church (or as many as you've been to) so that we could contact them and ask them what they think of you? Could you get anyone to corrobberate your story? I doubt that you've ever spoken in front of any churches, especially any that might have a phone or address.Have you ever read the Word just to see what the different functions are in the body of Christ?There are no schisms in His Body, which is how we know you're not a part of Him.Now I dont do what you do.That's what we're trying to get through to you, you don't believe The Word of God.You have such a root of bitterness in you over me, you dont want peace but reveange. And you have become defiled. That is why you have all them breakdowns.Grace has been more than loving and spoken the truth to you in that love, and you have rejected him, every time. Why?

[Squeaky]

Aimiel you said
Grace has been more than loving and spoken the truth to you in that love, and you have rejected him, every time. Why?

I said
Oh how ignorant you are. You have only known Grace for alittle while. I have known him for 8 years. We have had many conversations on many sites. He has at one time or another called me every name in the books. He gets real angry and has these breakdowns for afew weeks but always comes back. He has been stalking me for 8 years. Its a personal bitterness thing with him. He was trying to convert some young person one time, and the young person read some of my revelations and rejected Grace2u and he has been on a reveange thing every sense. He will use the flattery thing with you to gain your trust hoping you will support him. He is very bitter.

Heb 12:14-15
14 Pursue peace with all people, and holiness, without which no one will see the Lord:
15 looking diligently lest anyone fall short of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up cause trouble, and by this many become defiled;
(NKJ)

[truebeliever7]

Aimiel you said
Grace has been more than loving and spoken the truth to you in that love, and you have rejected him, every time. Why?

I said
Oh how ignorant you are. You have only known Grace for alittle while. I have known him for 8 years. We have had many conversations on many sites. He has at one time or another called me every name in the books. He gets real angry and has these breakdowns for afew weeks but always comes back. He has been stalking me for 8 years. Its a personal bitterness thing with him. He was trying to convert some young person one time, and the young person read some of my revelations and rejected Grace2u and he has been on a reveange thing every sense. He will use the flattery thing with you to gain your trust hoping you will support him. He is very bitter.

Heb 12:14-15
14 Pursue peace with all people, and holiness, without which no one will see the Lord:
15 looking diligently lest anyone fall short of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up cause trouble, and by this many become defiled;
(NKJ)

squeaky,
I see alot of opinions from these guys but no verses.

2 Cor 10:12
12 For we dare not class ourselves or compare ourselves with those who commend themselves. But they, measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise.
(NKJ)

[Aimiel]

He was trying to convert some young person one time, and the young person read some of my revelations and rejected Grace2u and he has been on a reveange thing every sense.Do you realize that if that little lamb (the one that you led astray) is harmed in any way, that Jesus will hold you personally responsible for it, and it would have been better for you if you had never been born?

P.S. I find it hard to believe the things that you accuse Grace of, and don't understand why (if, as you say, you are a Christian) you're walking around with a chip on your shoulder over something that happened eight years ago. It would seem that Grace has forgotten it, since he's never mentioned it. Could it be that you're walking in unforgiveness?

[Aimiel]

squeaky,
I see alot of opinions from these guys but no verses. This is starting to sound like a conversation between Smeagol and Gollum.

"Tricksey Hobbitses, tricksed us, they did. Yesss Precious. Gollum."

[Squeaky]

Aimiel you said
Do you realize that if that little lamb (the one that you led astray) is harmed in any way, that Jesus will hold you personally responsible for it, and it would have been better for you if you had never been born?

P.S. I find it hard to believe the things that you accuse Grace of, and don't understand why (if, as you say, you are a Christian) you're walking around with a chip on your shoulder over something that happened eight years ago. It would seem that Grace has forgotten it, since he's never mentioned it. Could it be that you're walking in unforgiveness?

I said
Are you really that blind? Do you realize that I saved that young soul from the deception of the trinity. I'm not stalking him, he is stalking me. Again you twist things around. I dont go into his threads, he goes into mine. Cant you see anything with evidence. I dont have the chip. It says to reject a divisive man after the first and second admonition. I have done that. He hasnt.
Watch my lips, I am not following him, I dont go into his threads. He follows me, he goes into my threads.

[Aimiel]

Do you realize that I saved that young soul from the deception of the trinity.You mean you led him astray from the truth regarding God's Triune Nature.Cant you see anything with evidence.The only evidence involved here is sure evidence that you're not a Christian. Christians don't hold 'grudges' against fellow-Christians.It says to reject a divisive man after the first and second admonition.The Bible was speaking to Christians. You aren't supposed to be following portions of The Bible, while rejecting most of it. :hammer:

[Squeaky]

Aimiel you said
You mean you led him astray from the truth regarding God's Triune Nature.

I said
Can you show me anywhere in the Word of God where it says triune Nature? Can you show me anywhere it says trinity? Can you show me anywhere it says God the Son or God the Holy Spirit?
Your delusional.

Rev 22:18-19
18 For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book;
19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
(NKJ)

Jesus said to believe in Him "as the scripture has said" not to make up things to benefit yourself.
Do you believe in Jesus "as the scripture has said" NO, NO, NO. And you say I'm not a christian?
I am a real christian, a born again christian "as the scripture has said".

John 7:38
38 "He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water."
(NKJ)

1 Cor 8:6
6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live.
(NKJ)

Eph 4:6
6 one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
(NKJ)

1 Tim 2:5
5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus,
(NKJ)

[Aimiel]

Can you show me anywhere in the Word of God where it says triune Nature? Can you show me anywhere it says trinity? Can you show me anywhere it says God the Son or God the Holy Spirit?Just as soon as you show me where It says that The Holy Spirit can only recite verses, and cannot say anything else.

You can't, because it is not in there. The problem is, it is not even implied. The word trinity isn't in The Bible, but is described. The Father, Son and Holy Ghost agree in One. That means that there is no division. They are One. The Body of Christ will also one day be one with one another (when we take our place under The Head of The Body, Jesus) in similar fashion to The Father and The Son being One. We will be one, on that day. Until then, we have to do the best we can, with His help.

[Squeaky]

Aimiel you said
Just as soon as you show me where It says that The Holy Spirit can only recite verses, and cannot say anything else.

I said
Still trying to play the spin doctor I see. That won't work. I have showed you. Now show me where it says
Can you show me anywhere in the Word of God where it says triune Nature? Can you show me anywhere it says trinity? Can you show me anywhere it says God the Son or God the Holy Spirit?
Your delusional.

[Bright Raven]

Aimiel you said
Just as soon as you show me where It says that The Holy Spirit can only recite verses, and cannot say anything else.

I said
Still trying to play the spin doctor I see. That won't work. I have showed you. Now show me where it says
Can you show me anywhere in the Word of God where it says triune Nature? Can you show me anywhere it says trinity? Can you show me anywhere it says God the Son or God the Holy Spirit?
Your delusional.
Squeaky, If you had read Aimiel's previous post you would see in black and white admittedly that the word is not in the Bible but that the doctrine of the Trinty or the triune nature of God is described. Do you just not read the post or do you enjoy looking as though you are obnoxious? :yawn: Peace be with you

[Squeaky]

Raven you said
If you had read Aimiel's previous post you would see in black and white admittedly that the word is not in the Bible but that the doctrine of the Trinty or the triune nature of God is described.

I said
It takes a wild imagination to see what your talking about. Because I have never seen the trinity nor the triune nature in the Word of God. The only triune god that I have found in the Word of God is this.

Rev 12:9
9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
(NKJ)

II Th 2:4-5
4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
5 Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things?
(NKJ)

[truebeliever7]

Squeaky, If you had read Aimiel's previous post you would see in black and white admittedly that the word is not in the Bible but that the doctrine of the Trinty or the triune nature of God is described. Do you just not read the post or do you enjoy looking as though you are obnoxious? :yawn: Peace be with you


br,

man says the trinity is in the bible not God. Dont you think God is smart enough to put it in there if it were true? the trinity is a concept made up by man. if the trinity were true God would have told us about it.
Mark 12:32
32 So the scribe said to Him, "Well said, Teacher. You have spoken the truth, for there is one God, and there is no other but He.
(NKJ)
1 Cor 8:6
6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live.
(NKJ)
1 Tim 2:5
5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus,
(NKJ)

Jesus knows who God is;
John 20:17
17 Jesus said to her, "Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, 'I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.'"
(NKJ)

Jesus knows who He is and where He came from;
John 8:40-42
40 "But now you seek to kill Me, a Man who has told you the truth which I heard from God. Abraham did not do this.
41 "You do the deeds of your father." Then they said to Him, "We were not born of fornication; we have one Father-- God."
42 Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me.
(NKJ)
John 10:36
36 "do you say of Him whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, 'You are blaspheming,' because I said, 'I am the Son of God'?
(NKJ)

the apostles knew who Jesus was;
Matt 14:29-33
29 So He said, "Come." And when Peter had come down out of the boat, he walked on the water to go to Jesus.
30 But when he saw that the wind was boisterous, he was afraid; and beginning to sink he cried out, saying, "Lord, save me!"
31 And immediately Jesus stretched out His hand and caught him, and said to him, "O you of little faith, why did you doubt?"
32 And when they got into the boat, the wind ceased.
33 Then those who were in the boat came and worshiped Him, saying, "Truly You are the Son of God."
(NKJ)

and even the demons knew;
Luke 4:41
41 And demons also came out of many, crying out and saying, "You are the Christ, the Son of God!" And He, rebuking them, did not allow them to speak, for they knew that He was the Christ.
(NKJ)

It seems like you trinity believers cant grasp what everyone else knows already. Jesus is the Son of God not God.

[Squeaky]

TB7 I dont get it. Would you trust a doctor that didnt go by the training manuel? If a doctor told you he was going to take out your carburator would you trust him?
If a machanic told you your cake didnt rise would you let him work on your car?
All these people reject the training manuel. You posted exactly what the training manuel says and the trinitarians reject that for something that ISNT EVEN IN THE WORLD OF GOD.
How can they do that with a clear conscience and call themselves a believer in the Word of God?
Jesus said if we believe in Him "AS THE SCRIPTURE HAS SAID".

John 7:38
38 "He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water."
(NKJ)

I dont think that the trinitarians even know that they are blaspheming the Word of God. Do you think they know they are hypocrites?

Luke 6:41-47
41 "And why do you look at the speck in your brother's eye, but do not perceive the plank in your own eye?
42 "Or how can you say to your brother, 'Brother, let me remove the speck that is in your eye,' when you yourself do not see the plank that is in your own eye? Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck that is in your brother's eye.
43 "For a good tree does not bear bad fruit, nor does a bad tree bear good fruit.
44 "For every tree is known by its own fruit. For men do not gather figs from thorns, nor do they gather grapes from a bramble bush.
45 "A good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart brings forth evil. For out of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaks.
46 "But why do you call Me 'Lord, Lord,' and do not do the things which I say?
47 "Whoever comes to Me, and hears My sayings and does them, I will show you whom he is like:
(NKJ)

[Grace2UX]

Aimiel,

Squeaky said:
Oh how ignorant you are. You have only known Grace for alittle while. I have known him for 8 years. We have had many conversations on many sites. He has at one time or another called me every name in the books. He gets real angry and has these breakdowns for afew weeks but always comes back. He has been stalking me for 8 years. Its a personal bitterness thing with him. He was trying to convert some young person one time, and the young person read some of my revelations and rejected Grace2u and he has been on a reveange thing every sense. He will use the flattery thing with you to gain your trust hoping you will support him. He is very bitter.

Answer:
Just for your information...I know you don't believe what Squeaky says, and the above is a great example of mixing allot of lies with a hint of truth. I have seen Squeaky on a number of boards over the years. Virtually always the same result as this board. Everyone rejects Squeaky's message as heresy, and Squeaky just ignores them and rants on with out-of-context scriptures laced with his false teachings. I have no idea what "young person" Squeaky is referring to, that he supposedly led astray. He has made that claim several times, but I have no idea what he is referring to. Any one who is truly an elect of God cannot be led astray permanently, so I am not concerned in the least with Squeaky's claim. I have not seen Squeaky lead anyone astray with his arguments which are so blatantly false which all can see. I have seen a few other hereticks like Truebeliever7 join Squeaky from time to time, but again, I have not seen them convince anyone of their teachings who were not already rejectors themselves.

I have great pity for Squeaky and pray for him often that he might repent. He has a very hard heart, and fights against Christ very hard.

Peace in Christ!

[Aimiel]

I have showed you.No, you're mistaken. You haven't shown me where The Word of God says that The Holy Spirit will only quote verses, and is not allowed to say what God wants Him to say. You have placed the word, "only" in the text, where it doesn't belong, and doesn't fit with the truth. In fact, He does say what God wants us to hear.

Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

He hears what The Lord wants to say to us, and repeats it. God doesn't speak in verses. He says whatever He wants. The Holy Spirit also shows us things to come. That means that he can say what God wants us to know about the future, and do so without using verses.

[Aimiel]

I have great pity for Squeaky and pray for him often that he might repent. He has a very hard heart, and fights against Christ very hard.I feel sorry for him too, and pray that The Lord will reveal Himself to him. He would probably think it was a demon though, since he is so deceived to believe that everything that he believes is truth. His mind is darkened. I will continue to pray for his repentance as well.

[truebeliever7]

Squeaky,

they dont seem to relize we arent here to convience anyone of our belief we are here to refutte their false teachings that dont even show up in the bible.
Eph 5:11
11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them.
(NKJ)

they cant even understand the scriptures that they are the many going down the broad path and we the few are traveling the narrow. Grace hit the nail on the head and didnt even see what he said and that shows you how much knowledge of scripture he has. he said" I have seen Squeaky on a number of boards over the years. Virtually always the same result as this board. Everyone rejects Squeaky's message as heresy,". it sure fits the scripture of the narrow gate, but they dont accept the word of God so how could they understand it.
Matt 7:13-14
13 "Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it.
14 "Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.
(NKJ)

they by their own words claim your words are foolishness which is just what the scripture says they will say, so keep up the work of God I right there with you.
1 Cor 2:12-14
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God.
13 These things we also speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
(NKJ)

they are living the life of carnal knowledge and are trying to discern things of spiritually which without the Holy Spirit they will never come to the knowledge of the truth.they believe through their learning from man they will recieve the wisdom of God it just isnt going to happen.
2 Tim 3:7
7 always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
(NKJ)

:thumb:

2 Cor 4:1-5
1 Therefore, since we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we do not lose heart.
2 But we have renounced the hidden things of shame, not walking in craftiness nor handling the word of God deceitfully, but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God.
3 But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing,
4 whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them.
5 For we do not preach ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord, and ourselves your bondservants for Jesus' sake.
(NKJ)

[Bright Raven]

Squeaky,

they dont seem to relize we arent here to convience anyone of our belief we are here to refutte their false teachings that dont even show up in the bible.

You could have fooled me. Are you not trying to have people believe your message?

Eph 5:11
11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them.
(NKJ)

they cant even understand the scriptures that they are the many going down the broad path and we the few are traveling the narrow. Grace hit the nail on the head and didnt even see what he said and that shows you how much knowledge of scripture he has. he said" I have seen Squeaky on a number of boards over the years. Virtually always the same result as this board. Everyone rejects Squeaky's message as heresy,". it sure fits the scripture of the narrow gate, but they dont accept the word of God so how could they understand it.

If and that is a small word that means a lot Squeaky's message has been continually rejected for years doesn't this make you think is the message correct or incorrect?

Matt 7:13-14
13 "Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it.
14 "Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.
(NKJ)

they by their own words claim your words are foolishness which is just what the scripture says they will say, so keep up the work of God I right there with you.

You do not believe in the Holy Spirit for He is God. Acts 5:4 You know the text. No need to quote it. So who do you receive the verses from?

1 Cor 2:12-14
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God.
13 These things we also speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
(NKJ)

they are living the life of carnal knowledge and are trying to discern things of spiritually which without the Holy Spirit they will never come to the knowledge of the truth.they believe through their learning from man they will recieve the wisdom of God it just isnt going to happen.

Acts 5:4 still applies and I ask again. If the verses do not come from God, where do they come from?

2 Tim 3:7
7 always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
(NKJ)

:thumb:

2 Cor 4:1-5
1 Therefore, since we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we do not lose heart.
2 But we have renounced the hidden things of shame, not walking in craftiness nor handling the word of God deceitfully, but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God.
3 But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing,
4 whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them.
5 For we do not preach ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord, and ourselves your bondservants for Jesus' sake.
(NKJ)

The theology you believe is interesting. That is all,interesting. Peace be with you.

[Squeaky]

Raven you said
The theology you believe is interesting. That is all,interesting. Peace be with you.

I said
TB7 doesnt believe in theology. He quotes the verses and that isnt theology. Theology is spiritual theory, and theory is guessing.

[Bright Raven]

Raven you said
The theology you believe is interesting. That is all,interesting. Peace be with you.

I said
TB7 doesnt believe in theology. He quotes the verses and that isnt theology. Theology is spiritual theory, and theory is guessing.

Wrong . Theology is the study of the nature of God and religious truth. If you read and study the Bible, you have must have some understanding of the nature of God and religious truth. Whether you are correct or not is another matter.

[Squeaky]

Raven you said
Wrong . Theology is the study of the nature of God and religious truth. If you read and study the Bible, you have must have some understanding of the nature of God and religious truth. Whether you are correct or not is another matter.

I said
I'm sorry but theology isnt in the Word of God. So it has to be man made. And it cant be religious truth because the Word of God is the only truth.

John 17:17
17 "Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth.
(NKJ)

You cannot have religious truth without quoting the verses. Without quoting all you have is assumptions and theology.

[Bright Raven]

Raven you said
Wrong . Theology is the study of the nature of God and religious truth. If you read and study the Bible, you have must have some understanding of the nature of God and religious truth. Whether you are correct or not is another matter.

I said
I'm sorry but theology isnt in the Word of God. So it has to be man made. And it cant be religious truth because the Word of God is the only truth.

John 17:17
17 "Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth.
(NKJ)

You cannot have religious truth without quoting the verses. Without quoting all you have is assumptions and theology.

Squeaky, what are you talking about? You obviously did not understand what I said or you are being deceptive. Get your dictionary again and look up the word. And I know you use a dictionary when it is to your advantage to do so. You need to stop with the childish games and get on with truthful and honest discussion. This is not a matter of winning or losing. It's an exchange of information, ideas, and thoughts about the Almighty. I'm disappointed in your approach. It is clear you really do not care about the merit of the fruitful discussion. :yawn:

[Squeaky]

There are many dictionaries, which one would you have me read. The foundation of my beliefs are not written in any other book than the Word of God. And it isnt in there. This is a truthful and honest discussion. Afruitful discussion will be acompanied by the fruits of the Spirit.

Gal 5:22-25
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.
24 And those who are Christ's have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
(NKJ)

John 17:17
17 "Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth.
(NKJ)

[Bright Raven]

There are many dictionaries, which one would you have me read. The foundation of my beliefs are not written in any other book than the Word of God. And it isnt in there. This is a truthful and honest discussion. Afruitful discussion will be acompanied by the fruits of the Spirit.

Gal 5:22-25
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.
24 And those who are Christ's have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
(NKJ)

John 17:17
17 "Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth.
(NKJ)

Off in your own world again I see. You may use any ole dictionary you please. Merrian-Webster Online is fine, You are not being honest when you say people do not study the nature of God and religious truth. That is why people study the Bible. Do you not study to show yourself approved? Do you not care to know the character of God? Do you not need to know his nature in order to know what pleases or displeases Him? Watch out! These are leading questions? Peace be with you. :yawn: :yawn: :yawn:

[Squeaky]

Raven you said
You are not being honest when you say people do not study the nature of God and religious truth.

I said
When did I say people dont study the nature of God?

[Bright Raven]

Raven you said
You are not being honest when you say people do not study the nature of God and religious truth.

I said
When did I say people dont study the nature of God?

Do you study the nature of God?

[Squeaky]

How can you ask that question after making the statement that I said people dont study the nature of God? It seems your playing some kind of word games.

[Bright Raven]

How can you ask that question after making the statement that I said people dont study the nature of God? It seems your playing some kind of word games.
No word games Squeaky. If you study the Word you have a concept of the nature of God and that constitutes a theology. Case and point. See you later. Peace be with you.

[Squeaky]

Raven that is just a carnal opinion. I have heard that kind of carnal logic before. It didnt make any spiritual sense then and it doesnt now.

[Aimiel]

they dont seem to relize we arent here to convience anyone of our belief we are here to refutte their false teachings that dont even show up in the bible.You oppose The Word of God by believing that you are correct in all your presumptions about what That Word says. We merely refute your rejection of The Word.they cant even understand the scriptures that they are the many going down the broad path and we the few are traveling the narrow.There are many, not unlike yourself, who do what 'seems' right to themselves, and all of them are headed to perdition.they by their own words claim your words are foolishness which is just what the scripture says they will say, so keep up the work of God I right there with you.The Word of God is what makes Squeaky and yourself look foolish. Both of you are outside of It, and need to repent. Quickly.

[Squeaky]

Aimiel
There are many, not unlike yourself, who do what 'seems' right to themselves, and all of them are headed to perdition.

[Aimiel]

Aimiel
There are many, not unlike yourself, who do what 'seems' right to themselves, and all of them are headed to perdition.Am I talking to a parrot? I don't do what 'seems' right, but follow The Word of God. You follow misunderstanding, due to not perceiving the definitions of words correctly, and placing spurious text and meaning into The Word of God which doesn't appear there. Your presumption in this matter is mostly due to listening to a demon-spirit that you have fallen under the spell of. If you don't ask God to deliver you from your own deception, then you will become victim of leaning upon your own misunderstanding, and fall, due to being in severe error. Please get a clue.

[Squeaky]

Aimiel you said
. Your presumption in this matter is mostly due to listening to a demon-spirit that you have fallen under the spell of.

I said
Lets see more of your carnal opinion or verses from the Holy Spirit??????????????????????
Take your advice when you say the Holy Spirit is a demon???????????
Well one of us is TOTALLY DECEIVED.

[Aimiel]

:blabla:

[Squeaky]

Aimiel you really should go read the revelation at the top of this thread. Its obvious you dont believe the Word of God.

[Grace2UX]

Squeaky,

You are the one clearly deceived by a demon. You take verses out of context and try to create new meanings that were not originally the intent of the scripture writers. That means you area attempting to add to scripture, which means you are under a curse.

[Squeaky]

Grace2u your carnality is starting to run wild again. Not even God can have a hidden understanding of the meat without writting the verses in the milk understanding first. And if I quote a verse that is not adding to it. Adding to it would be done in the interpretation of the verse. You know all about that dont you. Every verse is a spiritual principle.

[Grace2UX]

When you take a verse out of context of how it is positioned in scripture you are perverting the meaning of the verse from what was originally intended. If, as you say, the Holy Spirit cannot speak on His own authority, but must quote scripture and verses, then He would also be constrained to the meaning intended in the original scriptures. To create new meaning would mean the Holy Spirit is now speaking on His own authority and creating new meanings.

[Squeaky]

Grace2u have you ever went back and read anything you have ever wrote? Your dictating a set of rules to the Holy Spirit that God didnt. I can see your arrogance hasnt wavered any. You still get caught up in that carnal reasoning that has always led you to one of your breakdowns. And you know that if you always do what you've always done you will always get what you've always got.
Havent you learned nothing from all them chastizements you receive every six months or so?

[Aimiel]

Aimiel you really should go read the revelation at the top of this thread. Its obvious you dont believe the Word of God.Squeaky,

Your mind is darkened. The 'light' that is in you is darkness. How great is that darkness. It might be the greatest darkness one human has ever carried. I've never seen its equal. You're unique. You need to get saved. You're lost, and possibly demon-possessed.

I have yet to see one of your 'revelations' which carries the smallest thread of truth. They're your misunderstanding, magnified in public, for everyone to make fun of you with. I don't try to make fun of you or put you down, but try to tell you the truth. You have yet to receive one thing from me, because you think I'm not a Christian. Well, guess what? You're not a Christian. You're lost, and without repentance, you'll end up in hell. You need to repent.

[Grace2UX]

Squeaky,

Keep your lies straight. You already damned your own teachings by saying:

Squeaky said:
Well your right it does change the meaning but is it for good or for bad?

So you already said the Holy Spirit changes the meanings. The Holy Spirit either speaks only verses in the context of their original meaning or the Holy Spirit is not bound by scripture and verses and creates whatever meanings He wants.

Either way your teachings and posts are proven false, because you quote out of context verses and thereby change the meanings, but claim that the Holy Spirit does not speak on His own.

Your teachings don't pass the giggle test. Sorry!

[Squeaky]

The Word says there is a milk and a meat understanding. Now its obvious you dont understand that. I'll try to make this simple. You cant drink meat. And you cant chew milk. So they have to be different in order to have them both. Now you have admitted you dont understand the meat.
That is because according to the Spirit

John 12:40
40 "He has blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts, lest they should see with their eyes, lest they should understand with their hearts and turn, so that I should heal them."
(NKJ)

[Grace2UX]

Squeaky,

I'll make it simple. Your teaching is nonsense and from satan. You claim to care about scripture and verses, but you pervert scripture and change the meaning, then you want everyone to ignore your lies and false teachings because you claim they are some "deeper hidden meaning".

Your lies are your lies. They aren't in agreement with scripture.Your milk is sour, and your meat is rotten, and your spirit is satan.

You're right. It is pretty simple. :-)

[Squeaky]

Blah! Blah! Blah!
Well you ever find anything to say with substance?

[Aimiel]

Your teaching is nonsense and from satan. You claim to care about scripture and verses, but you pervert scripture and change the meaning, then you want everyone to ignore your lies and false teachings because you claim they are some "deeper hidden meaning".

Your lies are your lies. They aren't in agreement with scripture.Your milk is sour, and your meat is rotten, and your spirit is satan.Amen, Grace. Basically sums up every one of Squeaky's posts. Full of lies, false teaching, sour milk and rotten meat which is nothing but doctrines of demons.

[Squeaky]

Aimiel and you both do it so intellectually.

[Aimiel]

Do you mean that our estimation of you is correct, or that we're talking over your ability to understand? Do you want us to type slower, or what?

[Squeaky]

Aimiel I'm not an intellectual like you. I dont understand your logic. And most of the time I cant follow your reasoning. I just know the Holy Spirit.

[Grace2UX]

Squeaky,

Of course you can't understand. That's because Aimiel is in the meat and you can't follow the context. It's like a parable to you. Jesus spoke to the people in parables and they didn't understand either. Once you get in the meat, like Aimiel, then it will all become clear to you. You need to purge your lack of understanding, in other words, flush all the gunk out of your blind lack of understanding. This could take many more years for you. Then you will reach the understanding that Paul spoke about.

Do you understand a little better now?

[Squeaky]

Grace2u lolololololol

[Grace2UX]

Squeaky,

Funny, I get the same type of reaction from all of your teachings. Are you really serious with all that garbage you teach? When you hear it parroted back to you, even you laugh. It's ridiculous!

[Aimiel]

Aimiel I'm not an intellectual like you. I dont understand your logic. And most of the time I cant follow your reasoning. I just know the Holy Spirit.Squeaky, I appreciate the compliment. I think it is the first time you have said anything remotely edifying of me, but I'm sure you meant it as a 'left-handed' compliment. You can follow the reasoning of The Word of God, if you'll but ask, instead of presuming. I know better than to think that you know The Holy Spirit. He doesn't cause someone to be haughty and self-righteous, as you seem to be.

[Aimiel]

No, we don't laugh at Squeaky, because his situation would be funny, if it wasn't so serious. He is pathetic and should be pitied, unless you think that laughter will scorn him into searching for truth. He's twisted and perverted, but I don't find any humor in his condition. It is often foolish and completely ridiculous, but you have to understand that this is the way he believes. He just needs to realize that his misunderstanding and poor interpretation needs some work. Albeit a lot of long hard work, but he isn't to be the butt of jokes. We need to restore him and snatch him out of the fire. Not chase him away.

I'm reminded of the wisdom of Gandalf, when he answered Frodo's question, "Why didn't Bilbo just kill Gollum?" Gandalf said, "It was pity that stayed his hand."

We're making progress, because Squeaky has used less name-calling and seems to be more in control of his anger than he was at first. We'll keep working on him as long as God is willing for us to.

[Squeaky]

Aimiel you said
I think it is the first time you have said anything remotely edifying of me, but I'm sure you meant it as a 'left-handed' compliment

I said
You see that just doesnt make any spiritual sense. How can you edify someone with carnal words? could it be that their pride is aroused and they want to contribute that to edifying?

[Grace2UX]

Aimiel,

Agreed. Yet, one of the things we must point out to Squeaky, as well as young believers who may read these posts, is that Squeaky's theology is not consistent and doesn't make sense. He contradicts himself and scripture constantly.

[Squeaky]

Grace2u its obvious why you agree with Aimiel neither one of you knows what edifying is.

[JCAtheist]

Another typical thread, hey Squeak's. You proclaim you are speaking only what the Holy Spirit gives you, and all others have none of it to share. Over and over again you get shown your syumbling stones, and over and over again you continue to stumble.

I tend to look upon this as an insane action.. and can only agree with Grace2U and Aimiel.. but then, you expected that didn't you, being that I'm already 'lost' in your eyes.

I wonder if you realise how lonely it will be in the heaven you end up in.. where even God does not exist. But I'm full of tenacity, just as you are, and will ask you once again to cast off the great delusion, and take some peoples hands and be led for a while. And you know I don't count my self worthy of such a task..


And if you want MY scriptural support to back up what i say to you, I would wonder about the memory of the 'Holy Spirit' within you.. as I did all that over a year ago..


IN Love and Peace

JCA

[Squeaky]

JCA you said
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Another typical thread, hey Squeak's. You proclaim you are speaking only what the Holy Spirit gives you, and all others have none of it to share. Over and over again you get shown your syumbling stones, and over and over again you continue to stumble.

I said
Now here we go again. I never said that I am only speaking what the Holy Spirit gave me. Right now I'm talking carnally. I said the revelations are from the Holy Spirit only the verses. Your going to fit in real well with Grace2u and Amiel they do it all the time.

Matt 23:24
24 "Blind guides, who strain out a gnat and swallow a camel!
(NKJ)

[Dread Helm]

Can I have some Bread with my whine :troll: ?

[Squeaky]

No but you can add your opinion as worthless as it is.

[42ndgen]

Hi Squeaky::
Your statement which follows is at best a half truth. And then it is Followed by an outright lie.
xxOneness is all about agreement. John 17-22 Jesus prayed that we may be one the same way that Jesus and God are one. Jesus submitted to every Word of God that shows His agreement. We are to submit to every Word of God to show our agreement.
Jesus prayed John 17-22 that we "are one" with Jesus and God the Father. And that doesnt make us God any more than it made Jesus God to be one with God.


Are you absolutely sure? Agreement is very important and I am not trying to minimize that fact. But Agreement with God is only half of the truth but it is not all of what is going on when Jesus said that I and my Father are one. Lets read what the Word actually says.

Joh 10:30-39 KJVA I and my Father are one. (31) Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. (32) Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? (33) The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. (34) Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?(35) If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; (36) Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? (37) If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not. (38) But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him. (39) Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand,

Even the Jews knew what Jesus was saying when He said that I and My Father are one. They knew that he being just a mere man was making himself God. The only one that does not understand Jesus' claim to be one with His Father seems to be you.
Now Did Jesus deny the Jews accusation?
Absolutely not!!!
He did not deny what they said at all. In fact He went one step farther and declared that His detractors were Elohim-gods by quoting Psa 82
Psa 82:1,6 KJV 1 <A Psalm of Asaph.> God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.
I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children (sons) of the most High.

And since it was scriptural correct for Jesus to call them god, and SCRIPTURE CANNOT BE BROKEN; then How much more correct for Himself to be called the Son of God.

What you have claimed completely contradicts what Jesus said. Your preaching not only is unscriptural but it breaks the continuity of the scripture in the process.

Like I said before you are half correct there is an agreement in acknowledging ourselves one with God the Father and Jesus. But that is only a half truth. John 17 goes a lot farther than just mere agreement. John 17 deals with receiving the Glory, and not just oneness as in agreement with the Father.

Joh 17:5 KJVA And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

The glory that Jesus was asking back was and is nothing less than all that He possessed in the Father before He came into the world. What He possessed before He took on the form of a servant. Now when He was in the form of God He thought it not robbery to be equal with God. What He wanted back was the Father's own self to be His glory. And it is this very glory that he received back when He entered back into Heaven.

Phi 2:5-8 KJVA Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: (6) Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: (7) But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: (8) And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

Now the word equal in the Strongs means:
G2470 isos
1) equal, in quantity or quality
It is a math term that means that two statements HAVE THE EXACT SAME ANSWER even if they both have different functions. In math if we say a + b = c - d than whatever the result of a + b is it must be exactly the same as whatever the result of c - d is in order to be true. Now if we substituted numbers for the letters. And used the following values for a and b where A =1 and B =2 than we would come up with something like this: 1 +2 =3 - 0 Now there are an infinite number of answers for c - d in order for them to equal 3 , but ONLY numbers when subtracted from each other that equaled 3 would be correct to use. ANY OTHER SET OF NUMBERS THAT DO NOT EQUAL 3 WOULD MAKE THE STATEMENT FALSE AND A LIE AND THEREFORE CANNOT BE USED. So then when we have the statement "Jesus in the form of God = God". If Jesus is not God than this statement is false, and if the statement is false you might as well tear it out of the bible. But the statement has to be exactly the same quality on both sides of the equation in order for it to be true. The statement "Jesus in the form of God = God" is absolutely true only if both sides are actually the same quality and quantity of substance!! Both sides must be the same. They must be exactly the same quality and quantity; or the entire statement in Phillipians 2:6 is a false statement.

Before Jesus took on the form of a servant the form of the seed of Abraham, He was in the form of God, which made him equal to God. He had the Glory of God. He laid that glory down when He came into the earth as a servant. In John 17:5 He asked for that glory back. Jesus received back this glory of the Father. In fact the proof that Jesus got the glory back is found in the fact that fifty days after His death and resurrection The church received the baptism of the Holy Ghost.

Joh 7:38-39 KJVA He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. (39) (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

In John as you pointed out Jesus turned around and gave to us the very same glory that He had.

Joh 17:20-23 KJVA Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; (21) That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. (22) And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: (23) I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

Now this glory that we have received is not just an ability to agree with the Father and to walk with God in that agreement. No far from it. Agreement alone will not change you into the same image of glory that you have received. You may not realize this but when we see the glory we are changed - metamorphoō into the very same image of glory that we have seen. We become just like the glory we behold, which is nothing less than the Father's own self.

2Co 3:18 KJVA But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
God does not show us all of His glory at one time but He does show us increasing degrees of His own self. And as we see the Glory we can know that just like Jesus said I and My Father are one so are we also in this world one with the Father and Jesus.
1Jo 4:17 KJVA Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.

Now notice that the scripture clearly states as He is... Not As he was when he was in the form of a servant. Forget that junk He is no longer just in the form of a servant, No He is back in the form of God and as He is so are we in this world that is how our love will be perfected and we may have boldness and cast off all fear which brings torment.
Because of the promises that God gave to us we have become partakers of His divine nature, not just a people that simply agree with what He has declared as truth.
2Pe 1:3-4 KJVA According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue: (4) Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

Now a partaker is defined as One who has or takes a part, share or portion in common with others; a sharer; a participator. Our share is the glory of the Father that Jesus had before He came into the world in the form of a servant. The glory we have been given will cause us to Metamorphosis into the very same image of the Father we have received and seen. Our share is His divine nature. But in order to be a partaker we must agree with His Spirit when it moves.

Metamorphosis is a Change of form or shape; transformation; particularly, a change in the form of being; as the metamorphosis of an insect from the aurelia or chrysalis state into a winged animal.

We are being changed - metamorphoō from just sinners who are dust, and mortal, without the glory of God: to gods who cannot sin who are gold and incorruptible, immortal and who have the glory of the Father. Mere agreement alone will not produce this vast nature change that must take place. Seeing the Glory of the Father will.

Grace and Peace Patrick

[Squeaky]

42ndgen
I can see that you are convinced that you can see the truth. So to save on an arguement I would just like to share afew verses.

John 7:38-39
38 "He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water."
39 But this He spoke concerning the Spirit, whom those believing in Him would receive; for the Holy Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.
(NKJ)



Matt 13:34-35
34 All these things Jesus spoke to the multitude in parables; and without a parable He did not speak to them,
35 that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying: "I will open My mouth in parables; I will utter things kept secret from the foundation of the world."
(NKJ)

1 Cor 3:2-3
2 I fed you with milk and not with solid food; for until now you were not able to receive it, and even now you are still not able;
3 for you are still carnal. For where there are envy, strife, and divisions among you, are you not carnal and behaving like mere men?
(NKJ)

[JCAtheist]

JCA you said
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Another typical thread, hey Squeak's. You proclaim you are speaking only what the Holy Spirit gives you, and all others have none of it to share. Over and over again you get shown your syumbling stones, and over and over again you continue to stumble.

I said
Now here we go again. I never said that I am only speaking what the Holy Spirit gave me. Right now I'm talking carnally. I said the revelations are from the Holy Spirit only the verses. Your going to fit in real well with Grace2u and Amiel they do it all the time.

Matt 23:24
24 "Blind guides, who strain out a gnat and swallow a camel!
(NKJ)


Now now, Squeaks... this is where it gets all messedup again..

I agree that the spirit is in the verses you quote.. what is missing though is the Spirit in the overall message you are giving. Taking Spirit given verses, and then trying to tie them altogether into a 'revelation' - that is NOT of Spirit itself, is what is causing the issues.

And if Grace2u and Aimiel feel the same way.. well.. then I guess I will fit in real well.

And here you start again... in on sentence you say you are talking carnally, and then you go an attack a quote from Scripture at the end, as if it was given to you by the 'Spirit'..

So which is it Squeaky.. you carnally thought you wold quote that passage, applying context to others with it? OR, you where suddenly once again filled with Spirit, and the carnality left you so you could add that? Either way.. something doesn't seem right..

But ehre, as you believe the verses at least, let me add one of my own.. I will not doubt you that the Holy Spirit tries to get within you.. it's what comes out of you that concerns me..

Mat 15:11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.


I still maintain you are misleading others, and taking them even farther afield that *I* get accused of.. but here we are again.. :eek:


IN Love and Peace

JCAtheist

[42ndgen]

Hi Squeaky:

Isa 42:8 KJVA I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.

As long as any of us think that we are another we hinder ourselves from ever having the glory of God. We hinder, leave ourselves behind, in the things of the spirit. We cannot procrastinate when it comes to receiving the glory of God. We must know that we are joined to Him.

1Co 6:15-17 KJVA Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid. (16) What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh. (17) But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.

God wants us to know that the spirit of a man joined to the Lord is one spirit. There are many parts that make up the body of Christ but there is only one body. And there is only one spirit that permeates that whole body The Spirit of God. We have been ordained to enterinto our glory by the hidden wisdom that only the Spirit of God can teach us. No man can learn this simplly by His own understanding. They must be taught by God Himself.

1Co 2:4-14 KJVA And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power: (5) That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God. (6) Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought: (7) But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: (8) Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. (9) But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. (10) But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. (11) For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. (12) Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. (13) Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. (14) But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Grace and Peace Patrick

[Squeaky]

JCA you said
And here you start again... in on sentence you say you are talking carnally, and then you go an attack a quote from Scripture at the end, as if it was given to you by the 'Spirit'..

So which is it Squeaky.. you carnally thought you wold quote that passage, applying context to others with it? OR, you where suddenly once again filled with Spirit, and the carnality left you so you could add that? Either way.. something doesn't seem right..

I said
The simplicity seems to always confuse you. The Holy Spirit bearing witness with me, and that doesnt seem right with you.

Rom 8:16
16 The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,
(NKJ)

[Squeaky]

42ndgen you could get in much trouble if you mix the old testament with the new testament. If you think that old testament verse justifies your arguement, you could fall from grace.

Gal 5:1-4

1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage.
2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing.
3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law.
4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.
(NKJ)

And if you dont find everything you need in the new testament you dont have the right God or the right Jesus.

II Jn 1:8-11
8 Look to yourselves, that we do not lose those things we worked for, but that we may receive a full reward.
9 Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son.
10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him;
11 for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds.
(NKJ)

[JCAtheist]

JCA you said
And here you start again... in on sentence you say you are talking carnally, and then you go an attack a quote from Scripture at the end, as if it was given to you by the 'Spirit'..

So which is it Squeaky.. you carnally thought you wold quote that passage, applying context to others with it? OR, you where suddenly once again filled with Spirit, and the carnality left you so you could add that? Either way.. something doesn't seem right..

I said
The simplicity seems to always confuse you. The Holy Spirit bearing witness with me, and that doesnt seem right with you.

Rom 8:16
16 The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,
(NKJ)


No Squeaky, what isn't siting right with YOU, is exactly what you have quoted.. and I agree, it IS the Spirit moving within you .. but to give YOU a mesage, not *I*.

Let's examine what you quoted..

Rom 8:16
16 The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,


Now, you see what I have highlighted to you Squeaks? The big WE part? Now, as you know, I will not include myself in the WE part for you, so as not to have you say *I'm* trying to lead anyone astray etc.. but I will include MANY people from this and other boards that are your brother and sister in Christ, who you seem to totally ignore as being in teh WE part of the text you quote, and TOO being somewhat in touch with the Holy Spirit... and yet, if they disagree with you, you immediately fall onto a tactic which pits Holy Spirit against Holy Spirit.. and you don't see the damage that causes?

Not to mention the confusion.. who would have thought Christs Body would be so.. un-united and unable to come to general concensus.


So I say to you Squeaks, indeed the Spirit is movng within you.. when you least expect it.. and allowing your own 'thinking' (carnality) to be used against you.


Love and Peace

JCAtheist

[Squeaky]

JCAthiest you said
... and yet, if they disagree with you, you immediately fall onto a tactic which pits Holy Spirit against Holy Spirit.. and you don't see the damage that causes?

Not to mention the confusion.. who would have thought Christs Body would be so.. un-united and unable to come to general concensus.


I said
I can see you still deny christianity.Not willing to allow yourself to be a part of it. I'm affraid you dont understand again. Some are in the milk understanding and some are in the meat understanding. And its not Holy Spirit against Holy Spirit. Its called edifying. Building others up with more and more verses. Some verses are circumstantial verses and some verses are factual verses.
some verses are more powerful than others. And we as christians(not encluding you at your own request) need all the power we can get to fight against the devil. Whether he is trying to work through us or you.

Eph 6:11-17
11 Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.
13 Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
14 Stand therefore, having girded your waist with truth, having put on the breastplate of righteousness,
15 and having shod your feet with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
16 above all, taking the shield of faith with which you will be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked one.
17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God;
(NKJ)

[JCAtheist]

Come on Squeak's.. I know you can do better than that.. you went right ahead and did what I said you would.. when confronted with having to look at the things you say, you immediately try and change the tactic to pointing fingers at me, and claiming that the Spirit now gave you these new verses to point out some other issue - while ignoring the last.

Squeaks, I don't calim to be "Christian", as I am not Christ or God and in posession of the Book of Life to say who is, and who isn't. Not my job. However, I claim to follow the commandments of Christ etc., as you are well aware.. And yes, I deny the so called 'christianity' you are trying to 'share'.. just as others deny mine.. and so on.

I am fully aware of the armor, which is why I am able to see through your delusion, and you are not.

2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

I tell you again, IMHO, through all I have discovered about Christ, ther is much you have clouded and turned to fit your desire. Because of this I also claim you are under a delusion.. and as your brother, and many others before and after me, I take it as part of my responsibility to try and help rid you of it. However, it appears that you have hardened your heart to all but your own inner voices, and trying to help you see becomes a struggle for anyone to try and help. Still, we do it because we love you.. and still have hope for you :D

ROMANS 5:1-11
5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
5:2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
5:3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;
5:4 And patience, experience; and experience, hope:
5:5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.
5:6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
5:7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.
5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
5:11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.


IN Love and Peace

JCAtheist

[Aimiel]

However, it appears that you have hardened your heart to all but your own inner voices, and trying to help you see becomes a struggle for anyone to try and help. Still, we do it because we love you.. and still have hope for you.Struggle? What :bang: makes :bang: you :bang: say :bang: that? It is sometimes very frustrating trying to get Squeaky to let go of his error, but he seems to think he already knows everything, and has become unteachable, and not easily entreated. That's not love, that's selfishness.

[JCAtheist]

Struggle? What :bang: makes :bang: you :bang: say :bang: that? It is sometimes very frustrating trying to get Squeaky to let go of his error, but he seems to think he already knows everything, and has become unteachable, and not easily entreated. That's not love, that's selfishness.


Squeaky is to Christians what Arrakis (Dune) is the the Freeman.. a test for the faithful. SO in that sense, I can see the Spirit moving within him.. and I can only assume it's the Spirits will to use him this way. He isn't a bad person, which is why I tend to think it is more delusional than actually forethought disruption - if you see what I mean.

Of course, I could be wrong too :D

And no worries.. I'll gladly take up the plough and help you with that struggle.. I can nly hope some wouold do no less for me if I where in his shoes. ;)


L&P

JCAtheist

[Squeaky]

Aimiel you said
Squeaky to let go of his error, but he seems to think he already knows everything, and has become unteachable, and not easily entreated. That's not love, that's selfishness.

I said
Aimiel your misplacing and misdirecting your thoughts again. There are only two other people that I have met on the net that is as self centered and hardhearted as you. That would be Grace2u and JCA. You three never rely on the Word but you put all your faith in your own opinions. And as worthless as human wisdom is you all dont seem to ever run out of them.

Rom 12:16
16 Be of the same mind toward one another. Do not set your mind on high things, but associate with the humble. Do not be wise in your own opinion.
(NKJ)

What has always amazed me is you three always put your own opinions out as thought they had the authority of scripture. Then you get all upset when I dont take them as scripture. Poor Grace2u as a nervous breakdown about once a year from that but after afew weeks of theropy he always comes back for more. Do any of you know what chastizement means? And why doesnt any of you ever relate the chastizement to your actions?

Matt 12:34
34 "Brood of vipers! How can you, being evil, speak good things? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.
(NKJ)

Matt 12:36-37
36 "But I say to you that for every idle word men may speak, they will give account of it in the day of judgment.
37 "For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned."
(NKJ)

[JCAtheist]

There are only two other people that I have met on the net that is as self centered and hardhearted as you. That would be Grace2u and JCA. You three never rely on the Word but you put all your faith in your own opinions. And as worthless as human wisdom is you all dont seem to ever run out of them.


Squeaky, now you know this is not true.. I have shown you many many mnay many many many verses.. all containing the Holy Spirit.. and the Word within them.. why even this thread shows you to be misleading people with that statement.. why only a couple of posts back I used a rather straight forward verse.. as a reminder.

Eph 4:25 Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbor: for we are members one of another.

Shame on you bro..


Love and Peace

JCAtheist

[Squeaky]

JCA Now you tell me something. What does this verse mean to you?

Titus 3:10
10 Reject a divisive man after the first and second admonition,
(NKJ)

[JCAtheist]

JCA Now you tell me something. What does this verse mean to you?

Titus 3:10
10 Reject a divisive man after the first and second admonition,
(NKJ)

Let me tell you what I think it means in some context:

Tit 3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.
Tit 3:10 A man that is a heretic after the first and second admonition reject;

Now in context, that line that you quote [3:10] points to the man that has all those issues with the law, and makes mockery or purposeful contention with it. This person is heretical in their rantings, and should be avoided.. AFTER a second admonishment..

This is a dangerous plea and line you post.. as you are asking many here to shut you out completely. However, as I have told you I care for you, and will do what can to assist you, I will not shut you out. Aren't you glad you have such friends? One day you may well find you are.

Luk 10:33 But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was: and when he saw him, he had compassion on him,
Luk 10:34 And went to him, and bound up his wounds, pouring in oil and wine, and set him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him.


IN Love and Peace

JCA

[Squeaky]

JCA you said
This is a dangerous plea and line you post.. as you are asking many here to shut you out completely. However, as I have told you I care for you, and will do what can to assist you, I will not shut you out. Aren't you glad you have such friends? One day you may well find you are.

I said
You can see I dont go into alot of other posts. And when I do I give them a warning a few times but they I reject them. Because I am a real christian. But you and your buddies seem to reject the Word of God, for your own agenda. I'm just wondering what that agenda is, and who it is for. Its very interresting to me. It reveals alot of arrogance against God. The real God.

[Aimiel]

The agenda of those who try to make sense out of your senselessness is to attempt to help you see The Light, which is Christ Jesus. We only want to point you to Him. You want to point to your own understanding and interpretation and are too stubborn to learn the error of your ways from people who care more about you than you do yourself. Since you don't know God, or His Word, you can't make any correct judgements about Christians, only reject them, without even considering that they might be trying to help you, not hurt you or promote themselves by stepping on you. If they were doing that, why bother trying to reason with you, why not just call you a few choice names and then go elsewhere? Why would we stick with you trying to help you out of the muck you're stuck in? It is because we have the heart of our Father, that is why. That is the only reason.

[Squeaky]

Aimiel you said
The agenda of those who try to make sense out of your senselessness is to attempt to help you see The Light, which is Christ Jesus. We only want to point you to Him.

I said
So I guess it is ok for you to disobey God if you want to. Dont you even know what a hypocrite is?

[42ndgen]

Hi Squeaky:

2Ti 3:16-17 KJVA All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: (17) That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

1Pe 1:10-12 KJVA Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: (11) Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. (12) Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.

1Co 2:12-13 KJVA Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. (13) Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

I did not preach about you living by the power of a commandment that is written on stone, which is what Moses gave us at mount sinia which is called the ministry of condemnation. No I showed you a clear scripture about the Glory which was written by a prophet who was not just talking to the Jews of His time but was most definitely speaking unto us concerning ‘the glory that should follow’.

And if you dont find everything you need in the new testament you dont have the right God or the right Jesus.

Well then since Jesus quoted the Old Testament and Paul quoted the Old Testament and Peter, James , John, and Jude all quoted the Old testament than by your logic than they all had the wrong God, and the wrong Jesus.

How stupid do you think your argument is? If they all quoted the Old to prove their points so can I!!!! They compared spiritual items with spiritual. And the only bible they had was just the Old Testament. Now should I throw out the entire old testament prophet Isaiah just because it is found in the old testament even though it bears witness to the suffering Christ and to the Glory that we are going to receive? Not on your life! All scripture is given by God and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

The Old Testament is the New concealed; The New Testament is the Old revealed. Without a through understanding of the Old You will never fully understand the New.

If you don't understand the glory than you will never understand the New Testament nor will you be able to understand God.

Grace and Peace Patrick

[Squeaky]

42ndgen you said

The Old Testament is the New concealed; The New Testament is the Old revealed. Without a through understanding of the Old You will never fully understand the New.

I said
Dont get huffy with me. I'm not the one that wrote them verses. You get huffy with God He is responsible.

ABOUT THE OLD TESTAMENT
FROM THE NEW TESTAMENT
Heb 8:13
13 In that He says, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
2 Cor 3:14-15
14 But their minds were blinded. For until this day the same veil remains unlifted in the reading of the Old Testament, because the veil is taken away in Christ.
15 But even to this day, when Moses is read, a veil lies on their heart.
Gal 2:21
21 "I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain."
John 10:8-9
8 "All who ever came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them.
9 "I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture.
1 Cor 10:1-12
1 Moreover, brethren, I do not want you to be unaware that all our fathers were under the cloud, all passed through the sea,
2 all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea,
3 all ate the same spiritual food,
4 and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ.
5 But with most of them God was not well pleased, for their bodies were scattered in the wilderness.
6 Now these things became our examples, to the intent that we should not lust after evil things as they also lusted.
7 And do not become idolaters as were some of them. As it is written, "The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play."
8 Nor let us commit sexual immorality, as some of them did, and in one day twenty-three thousand fell;
9 nor let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed by serpents;
10 nor complain, as some of them also complained, and were destroyed by the destroyer.
11 Now all these things happened to them as examples, and they were written for our admonition, on whom the ends of the ages have come.
12 Therefore let him who thinks he stands take heed lest he fall.
Rom 13:8
8 Owe no one anything except to love one another, for he who loves another has fulfilled the law.
John 6:63
63 "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.
John 4:23-24
23 "But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him.
24 "God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth."
John 17:17
17 "Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth.
John 3:34
34 "For He whom God has sent speaks the words of God, for God does not give the Spirit by measure.
John 3:33
33 "He who has received His testimony has certified that God is true.
John 3:35-36
35 "The Father loves the Son, and has given all things into His hand.
36 "He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him."
Rom 8:1-2
1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death.
Rom 8:3-8
3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh,
4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be.
8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
John 14:26
26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
Gal 2:19-21
19 "For I through the law died to the law that I might live to God.
20 "I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.
21 "I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain."
Gal 3:24-25
24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.
Gal 5:1-5
1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage.
2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing.
3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law.
4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.
5 For we through the Spirit eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
Gal 4:21
21 Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law?
Rom 7:4-6
4 Therefore, my brethren, you also have become dead to the law through the body of Christ, that you may be married to another-- to Him who was raised from the dead, that we should bear fruit to God.
5 For when we were in the flesh, the sinful passions which were aroused by the law were at work in our members to bear fruit to death.
6 But now we have been delivered from the law, having died to what we were held by, so that we should serve in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter.
Rom 13:10
10 Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
1 Pet 2:19-21
19 For this is commendable, if because of conscience toward God one endures grief, suffering wrongfully.
20 For what credit is it if, when you are beaten for your faults, you take it patiently? But when you do good and suffer, if you take it patiently, this is commendable before God.
21 For to this you were called, because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps:
II Jn 1:9-11
9 Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son.
10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him;
11 for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds.
John 1:17
17 For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
(NKJ)
xxx Jesus wants everyone who is going to be a christian to understand that the new covenant(testament) is just that new. That you cant go back and keep any part of the old testament that Jesus hasnt brought over to the new testament. Jesus new what to bring over man doesnt. But the old testament has to be obsolete to you in order for you to get the fullness of the new testament. 11John 1-9 is very specific if you dont abide(live) in the new testament you dont have the real God. There IS a veil over the old testament that remains to THIS day.
If Jesus were in the old testament this verse could only be meant for God and the angels.
John 10:8-9
8 "All who ever came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them.
9 "I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture.

[JCAtheist]

JCA you said
This is a dangerous plea and line you post.. as you are asking many here to shut you out completely. However, as I have told you I care for you, and will do what can to assist you, I will not shut you out. Aren't you glad you have such friends? One day you may well find you are.

I said
You can see I dont go into alot of other posts. And when I do I give them a warning a few times but they I reject them. Because I am a real christian. But you and your buddies seem to reject the Word of God, for your own agenda. I'm just wondering what that agenda is, and who it is for. Its very interresting to me. It reveals alot of arrogance against God. The real God.

No one is rejecting the word of God, Squeaks.. and although God tells us to reject the heretic, He tell's me more often to help a brother out.. and the greater command of Christ to love you supercedes the condemnation you seem to think I should show you due to one passage. Or do you forget that ALL other commands are through the second command of Christ?

I say this to you about arrogance against God as you are so craningly pointing out..
Mat 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
Mat 7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
Mat 7:3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
Mat 7:4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
Mat 7:5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.


As for my 'agenda'.. told you bro.. it's to help you whenever I see you, and try and help you cast of the shackles you have placed around yourself. I do this because my Christ has given me a huge task.. Love thy neighbor.. sorry, you happen to be involved in that. :wave:


IN Love and Peace

JCAtheist