Originally Posted by Art Deco
Listen Buffalo Breath, this lie might pass muster with the dolts you hang out with, but here at TOL we deal in fact not fiction. The establishment clause refers to the establishment of a state religion like that in Great Britain, nothing more. How else can you explain paid chaplains in the House and Senate paid out of tax revenues? They sometimes held church services in the House Chamber attended by Thomas Jefferson.
Right, so the fact that the majority of our founding fathers were Deists had nothing to do with that, right?
Perhaps you should read some of Madison and Franklin's writing and see just what a huge disdain they had for religion.
As for the lies, I'll leave that to you Deco.
Had the Establishment clause meant what you said it would read "an establishment of A religion" meaning the establishment of one reliigon over another or, as you said, the creation of a national language.
In fact, what the 1st actually says is that no law shall be made "respecting an establishment of religion" and that means religion period. In other words, the government is meant to stay religion neutral, neither being able to deny nor refute religion.
Now, as to the remaing stupidity about chaplains opening parayers and what not.
That is not done by law you silly little child. Anyone who wises to not be present during the prayer may leave. Also, the 1st does not say that the senators may not be religious.
Simply put, having the chaplain is not the same as making a law that establishes religion.
However, making it the law to note on our money that "In God We Trust" and the this is to be one nation "Under God" most certainly is a law establishing religion.
Again, for the detail impaired, not "A" religion but religion as a whole.
As for the nature of this post I find it neccessary to post things like this from time to time in order to counter all the stupidity I come across on a nearly daily basis when some religious zealot constantly tells me that this is a Christian nation founded by Christians.
The Puritans may have been Christians but they had as much to do with founding this nation as South Africa has had to do with snow making.
Oh, and anytime truthman wuold like to let me know what that "misinformation" is, I'll be more than happy to rebut.
Should I even remember to come back and look.
Most of you guys are pretty easy to forget.