Given the length of AMR's response to just the first two questions, I think you better start looking for more storage space!
That may be true, but at least he has tried to grapple with the problems. I do hope not all of the answers are this complex and long.
Blessings of Peace,Chileice
"Now may the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, so that you may overflow with hope by the power of the Holy Spirit." Romans 15.13
In case I am pressed for time, let me pre-respond to the usual crowd now:
godrulz: "No, it is not a nuanced motif and I disagree with what {so and so} writes."
Get on with it now.
I usually describe Greek grammar as nuanced (semantical range of meaning for words).
I usually describe the two motifs as some of the future is open/unsettled, while other aspects is settled by God's intentions and ability to bring these to pass. This takes both of our proof texts at face value, while closed theism must make one set figurative, without warrant.
Scripture does not mean what it says (at least the open theism verses) because God is talking baby talk to us?! Cmon.
You accuse OT of elevating attributes. We know that God is love, but it seems to me that you elevate hyper-sovereignty above other attributes (verse for 'God is sovereign'? Yes He is, but other attributes are more predominant).
Know God and make Him known! (YWAM)
They said: "Where is the God of Elijah?"
I say: "Where are the Elijahs of God?" (Ravenhill "Why Revival Tarries")
I think AMR makes a good point:
Unsettled theists spend a great deal of time and effort whining that somehow the past 1500 years of theological study and doctrine holds that God is not interested in relating to His creatures.
People had living loving relationships with God long before Open Theism came along. I think back on my grandfather as an excellent example. He was born in the early 1890s and had a great relationship with Christ from his youth.
I also have to laugh a bit at AMRs designation of Open Theism as Unsettled theists. It kind of smacks of the same smack he doesn't like from Open Theists.
Blessings of Peace,Chileice
"Now may the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, so that you may overflow with hope by the power of the Holy Spirit." Romans 15.13
I think AMR makes a good point:
Unsettled theists spend a great deal of time and effort whining that somehow the past 1500 years of theological study and doctrine holds that God is not interested in relating to His creatures.
People had living loving relationships with God long before Open Theism came along.
Wrong! Open theism never "came along", it always was...
That is what the closed theists can't seem to grasp.
The authors of the Bible were open theists. It wasn't until Greek Pagan philosophy came along that this whole "fate" thing started.
Slogan/motto:
"Old-fashioned ways and men make Rome stand strong." - Ennius
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September 21st, 2007, 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Shimei
The authors of the Bible were open theists. It wasn't until Greek Pagan philosophy came along that this whole "fate" thing started.
Your first sentence is a mere assertion. Surely you can point to us when this philosophy "came along" and "corrupted" things?
Evo
"A holy man pure in heart will not step aside from the truth for the sake
of pleasing men or to avoid the annoyances which beset this life." - St. Augustine
"Each one is under obligation to show forth his faith, either to instruct and
encourage others of the faithful, or to repel the attacks of unbelievers." - St. Thomas Aquinas
Wrong! Open theism never "came along", it always was...
That is what the closed theists can't seem to grasp.
The authors of the Bible were open theists. It wasn't until Greek Pagan philosophy came along that this whole "fate" thing started.
LOL!
(sorry sorry sorry, this was absolutely hilarious-next to my only warning, this one will continue to bring a great smile to my face. Thanks, I needed this)
Now to Him who is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that works in us,
to Him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, forever. Amen. -Ephesians 3:20 & 21
1Co 13:11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. But when I became an adult, I set aside childish ways. - Let's at least work at it?
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September 21st, 2007, 04:01 PM
to the usual crowd now:
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