Who is "we," Kemosabe? I have a good govt pension and two of my kids have good govt jobs. Right now, the govt is the only dependable employer for the working class.
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February 22nd, 2008, 11:15 AM
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Who is "we," Kemosabe? I have a good govt pension and two of my kids have good govt jobs. Right now, the govt is the only dependable employer for the working class.
Well then.....I guess we all should get Government Jobs then.
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February 22nd, 2008, 01:21 PM
I find it interesting that those who don't like "Big Government" only don't like it when it affects them. Many are all too willing to have the government in people's bedrooms, for instance.
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As to religion, I hold it to be the indispensable duty of all government to protect all conscientious professors thereof, and I know of no other business which government hath to do therewith.
-- Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason
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February 22nd, 2008, 01:57 PM
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I find it interesting that those who don't like "Big Government" only don't like it when it affects them. Many are all too willing to have the government in people's bedrooms, for instance.
Is it more ironic than the people who denounce government intrusion expecting that same government to support what they just got through telling us isn't its business? Just asking.
Government exists to punish evil doers. Among its few purposes anyway. It isn't there to come to your house, hand you a box of cheese, a check, and let you know that you are poor.
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February 24th, 2008, 12:02 PM
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Government exists to punish evil doers. Among its few purposes anyway. It isn't there to come to your house, hand you a box of cheese, a check, and let you know that you are poor.
And homosexuals are evil doers.
Despite the claims of you theonomists, the government does not exist to enforce your religious beliefs. And I quote:
"I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of separation between church and state."~~Thomas Jefferson, January 1, 1802
And I quote the document to which he refers:
Bill of Rights
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;
Consider yourself soundly refuted by the very founding document of the US of A. Homosexuals are *only* evildoers per your religious beliefs, as those of us who do not share them do not think that they are doing evil JUST by being homosexuals, so any effort to enforce that bigoted rubbish by law is in direct violation of the Establishment Clause. No matter how much you wish to argue that the US Founders wanted a theocracy, the wall of separation quote is a REALITY, a historical fact.
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As to religion, I hold it to be the indispensable duty of all government to protect all conscientious professors thereof, and I know of no other business which government hath to do therewith.
-- Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason
Bill of Rights
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;
You are an idiot.
Congress can not take away my religious freedom of calling you a pervert lover.
By the way...
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The liberty to worship our Creator in the way we think most agreeable to His will is a liberty deemed in other countries incompatible with good government and yet proved by our experience to be its best support.
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No nation has ever existed or been governed without religion. Nor can be. The Christian religion is the best religion that has been given to man and I, as Chief Magistrate of this nation, am bound to give it the sanction of my example
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February 24th, 2008, 06:41 PM
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Congress can not take away my religious freedom of calling you a pervert lover.
Absolutely right. If you want to waste the freedom of speech and freedom of religion that our founders gave us and that veterans throughout the last 200+ years fought for on religious bigotry and insulting remarks, you're free to do so. Unlike you theocrats, I would not seek to take those freedoms from you.
Oh, and "by the way",
"The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg."
-- Thomas Jefferson, Notes on the State of Virginia, 1781-82
"Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch toward uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one-half the world fools and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth."
-- Thomas Jefferson, Notes on the State of Virginia, 1781-82
"[N]o man shall be compelled to frequent or support any religious worship, place, or ministry whatsoever, nor shall be enforced, restrained, molested, or burthened in his body or goods, nor shall otherwise suffer, on account of his religious opinions or belief; but that all men shall be free to profess, and by argument to maintain, their opinions in matters of religion, and that the same shall in no wise diminish, enlarge, or affect their civil capacities."
-- Thomas Jefferson, Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom (1779)
"Because religious belief, or non-belief, is such an important part of every person's life, freedom of religion affects every individual. Religious institutions that use government power in support of themselves and force their views on persons of other faiths, or of no faith, undermine all our civil rights. Moreover, state support of an established religion tends to make the clergy unresponsive to their own people, and leads to corruption within religion itself. Erecting the "wall of separation between church and state," therefore, is absolutely essential in a free society.
We have solved, by fair experiment, the great and interesting question whether freedom of religion is compatible with order in government and obedience to the laws. And we have experienced the quiet as well as the comfort which results from leaving every one to profess freely and openly those principles of religion which are the inductions of his own reason and the serious convictions of his own inquiries."
-- Thomas Jefferson, to the Virginia Baptists (1808)
~SP
As to religion, I hold it to be the indispensable duty of all government to protect all conscientious professors thereof, and I know of no other business which government hath to do therewith.
-- Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason
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February 24th, 2008, 12:10 PM
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Government exists to punish evil doers. Among its few purposes anyway. It isn't there to come to your house, hand you a box of cheese, a check, and let you know that you are poor.
And homosexuals are evil doers.
So, where does it state ANYWHERE in the Constitution that the function of government is to play sex police and enforce your own version of morality?
~SP
As to religion, I hold it to be the indispensable duty of all government to protect all conscientious professors thereof, and I know of no other business which government hath to do therewith.
-- Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason
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February 24th, 2008, 12:15 PM
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You do know that is the oppostie of being a left winger.
Says the alleged conservative who wants to waste tax money to send the government into everyone's bedroom so that nobody gets to engage in any kind of consensual sexual activity that his religion doesn't place the official Stamp of Approval on, namely heterosexual, within marriage and open to procreation.
Big Government is Big Government, whether it be wasting money on pork, policing the sexual activity of grown men and women, invading foreign countries who haven't attacked us (sending us into the BIGGEST debt in HISTORY in the process), or giving out extensive handouts.
~SP
As to religion, I hold it to be the indispensable duty of all government to protect all conscientious professors thereof, and I know of no other business which government hath to do therewith.
-- Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason
Just asking. 
so that nobody gets to engage in any kind of consensual sexual activity that his religion doesn't place the official Stamp of Approval on, namely heterosexual, within marriage and open to procreation.
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