Oh, and the supposed problems with Romney's health care program are attributable to the changes made by the new governor - who has bloated it, over-regulated it and applied it to illegals.
Also, the claim that Romney could have simply refused to abide the court order legalizing gay marriage is false is manipulative because the same thing could be said about abortion. Huckabee was a governor in Arkansas and yet he issued licenses for abortion clinics - despite the fact that Roe v Wade and other decisions do not explicitly state that he had to. Furthermore, Huckabee, when caught dead to rights on the fact that he had a net increase in taxes in Arkansas, dodged the question and then finally said a court made him do it. But the fact is, the court did not actually say taxes had to be raised. It merely said budget changes had to be made - so Huckabee chose to raise taxes to pay for the changes. You can see the video of Huckabee dishonestly dodging the question and lying about the court order here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68VCh2WkbHc
Last edited by Cameron; May 23rd, 2009 at 02:45 PM.
-Also on abortion, they claim Romney forced private hospitals to provide rape victims "morning after" pills. The truth is, Romney vetoed the legislation. The legislature overrode Romney's veto and Romney told the Department of Public Health that they had to enforce the law even though he disagreed with it.
-On abortion Romney did change with respect to the role of government, but he has always personally opposed abortion and couseled women privately against having abortions. His change is not a matter of pandering; the truth is Romney had a dear, close relative die from an illegal abortion. That happened in real life, it was not a political strategy. As Governor, he could not bring himself to sign anti-life legislation and emerged pro-life. It is worth noting that Romney refused the label "pro-choice" even when it would have helped in his gubernatorial bid. He differentiated his stance with the label "effectively pro-choice" which is to say his position had the same effect but was ideologically different than "pro-choice."
This video might clear that up. Also if you wish to prove all this you might want to back it up with actual evidence.
Though I think that it is a little late to be saying Romney was the best candidate...
I will say that I supported Romney. I voted for him in the Florida Primary. The thing that did him in wasn't the media so much or even McCain and Huckabee "teaming" up against him. What did him in was a lie that McCain told about Romney with something like a week left before the Primary voting.
The statement by McCain was along the lines of, "Mitt wants to pull the troops out of Iraq and make the US lose the war." This one statement caused Romney some problems due to a law in Florida that says that a candidate running for political office can't run television/radio ads a week out from the election. So, McCain says what he said, and Romney couldn't effectively counter the statement because in one week, he couldn't reach Floridians in mass since he was traversing the state. And, since Floridians tend conservative and support the war, it was unthinkable to vote for a man that wanted to end the mission in Iraq, and make it a possible failure.
By-the-way, what Romney really said was, "If I'm elected President, I will discuss setting a timetable for Iraqi withdrawal because, we can't be there without a plan."
Though I think that it is a little late to be saying Romney was the best candidate...
I will say that I supported Romney. I voted for him in the Florida Primary. The thing that did him in wasn't the media so much or even McCain and Huckabee "teaming" up against him. What did him in was a lie that McCain told about Romney with something like a week left before the Primary voting.
The statement by McCain was along the lines of, "Mitt wants to pull the troops out of Iraq and make the US lose the war." This one statement caused Romney some problems due to a law in Florida that says that a candidate running for political office can't run television/radio ads a week out from the election. So, McCain says what he said, and Romney couldn't effectively counter the statement because in one week, he couldn't reach Floridians in mass since he was traversing the state. And, since Floridians tend conservative and support the war, it was unthinkable to vote for a man that wanted to end the mission in Iraq, and make it a possible failure.
By-the-way, what Romney really said was, "If I'm elected President, I will discuss setting a timetable for Iraqi withdrawal because, we can't be there without a plan."
Yes, true. Romney still stood a chance going into Florida. However, he would have had it wrapped up before that if the media, McCain and Huck hadn't lied.
Most of us folks here in Massachusetts were glad to see him go.
Utah needs him more than we do.
Psalm 1[/color] and Job 28:28
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
That video is a good example of the type of manipulative tactic I'm talking about. It is the same kind of lying to make other people look like liars that Al Franken does. Let's go over it point by point:
Once upon a time there was a man named Mitt who said a very bad thing [shows Mitt in 1994 saying "I believe abortion should safe and legal in this country"]
Okay. Here the video gives a half-truth. Unlike Obama (who says he wants to reduce the number of abortions but actually opposes efforts to discourage women from having abortions) Romney was in favor of discouraging women from having abortions. Romney was against abortion but because of his personal experience with a relative dying from an illegal abortion, Mitt believed it was the role of private citizens rather than the government to stop abortion. Mitt refused to align himself with the label "pro-choice" and instead invented his own description of his position, which was "effectively pro-choice." In other words, it has the effect of being pro-choice but differs ideologically from the pro-choice movement. Romney has explained countless times when asked. For instance, he said “Over the last multiple years, as you know, I have been effectively pro-choice. I never called myself that as a label but I was effectively pro-choice and that followed a personal experience in my extended family that led to that conclusion.”
As governor, Romney was faced with the stem cell issue and explored abortion related issues deeper than he had ever done before “It struck me very powerfully at that point that the Roe v. Wade approach has so cheapened the value of human life that somebody could think it’s not a moral issue to destroy embryos.” To Romney, it had always been a moral issue. His internal struggle related to the role of government. Romney said "I’ve always been personally pro-life, but for me, it was a great question about whether or not government should intrude in that decision."
Remember, Ronald Reagan used to actually be pro-choice. But when he looked deeper at the issue, Reagan became pro-life.
More from the video:
Then he thought of campaigning in Utah and said "I am not pro-choice."
Which was consistently true. Romney has NEVER aligned himself with the label "pro-choice" since his position differed from the pro-choice movement. He was "effectively pro-choice." See? But the voice in the video does not quote him accurately. The quote on screen shows that there is more to the story.
But when he came back to liberal MA, [shows Romney saying that if elected governor "I will preserve and protect a woman's right to choose."]
And Romney went on to explain what that pledge meant: "I will not change any provisions of Massachusetts’ pro-choice laws.“ This is important as you will see in a second.
Then, in 2004, he magically became pro-life. But only six months later [shows Romney saying "I am absolutely committed to my promise to maintain the status quo with regards to laws relating to abortion and choice."]
Romney would not have been able to restrict abortion anyway, with the liberal MA legislature. So he knew it was a wash however you look at it. But his promise was to not change the law. Ergo, after he became pro-life he vetoed anti-life legislation while still keeping his campaign pledge to maintain the status quo.
The spell must have worn off. Now he's on the campaign trail again, and he's back to being pro-life.
Here the video falsely implies that Romney was not pro-life as governor - even though he vetoed all anti-life legislation after becoming pro-life. So the video is lying.
[Quotes Romney in a rare instance, with other people talking over him, where he left out the word 'effective': "I was pro-choice. I am pro-life." "I changed my position." "I never said I was pro-choice."]
Romney has explained his "effectively pro-choice" position many times. The fact he left off the word "effective" during a debate with people arguing and talking over him means nothing.
Now he's in IOWA selling us his abortion fairytale
Again, the same type of dishonesty typical of Al Franken and reminiscent of Media Matters' "phony soldiers" smear.
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As long as people demand more government, they will get it. Government reflects the people.
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May 23rd, 2009, 06:02 PM
Cameron. Romney was the best candidate?
I hate to break it to the peeps, but your chances of being killed or wounded in a terrorist incident are so close to zero that they might as well be zero. Worry far more about slipping in the tub.
The media was afraid of Obama facing Romney in a debate. Even Fred Thompson and Giuliani. That's why they pushed Huckabee and McCain but slandered Romney.
But even if he wasn't the best candidate in your opinion, it has little bearing on the point I made.
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As long as people demand more government, they will get it. Government reflects the people.
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May 23rd, 2009, 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Cameron
The media was afraid of Obama facing Romney in a debate. Even Fred Thompson and Giuliani. That's why they pushed Huckabee and McCain but slandered Romney.
But even if he wasn't the best candidate in your opinion, it has little bearing on the point I made.
LOL!
They both believe in big government. You sweat the small stuff, but on big issues, although details may be a tad different, both have the same goals. Once again, there is no difference between the two parties, even if Mitt was the Republican hopeful.
I hate to break it to the peeps, but your chances of being killed or wounded in a terrorist incident are so close to zero that they might as well be zero. Worry far more about slipping in the tub.
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I am a sick man . . . I am a spiteful man.
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May 24th, 2009, 11:37 AM
From a conservative standpoint, Romney was probably the best candidate for an electorate not emotionally charged by words like "MORMON!" and "Massachusetts."
Suppose there was a law that said it was legal for women to choose to kill midgets in California. If a candidate was campaigning to be governor of California made the following statement:
"I will do everything in my power to maintain the status-quo in regards to the rights of women in California but I am personally against killing midgets."
If you lived in California would you vote for this candidate?
Suppose there was a law that said it was legal for women to choose to kill midgets in California. If a candidate was campaigning to be governor of California made the following statement:
"I will do everything in my power to maintain the status-quo in regards to the rights of women in California but I am personally against killing midgets."
If you lived in California would you vote for this candidate?
That already happened. His name was Ronald Reagan. Yes, I would have voted for him.
Oh, wait, he said it was okay to kill unborn babies, not midgets. My bad.
In any event, abortion is a difficult issue all around. The average citizen looks on pretty helplessly, but our politicians also look on helplessly. Even a pro-life president like Bush couldn't do much, and with a Democratic congress couldn't do anything at all.
But the point is, the narrative about Romney which was advanced by the media is false.
Cameron. Romney was the best candidate? 
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