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Understanding Genesis 1 & 2 - For Discussion.... -
November 10th, 2009, 05:21 PM
Briefly, here's how I read Genesis 1:1~5 based on my humble biblical understanding ....
Genesis 1:1 is just a preface - the story of the "Beginning"
Genesis 1:2 narrates us the condition of the deep (dark -null & void) before the world was.
Genesis 1:3 documents us the bringing forth of the Light before anything is made; before the world was.
Genesis 1:4 the division / separation of Light from darkness - the first work of old.
Genesis 1:5 The evening & the morning, the first day.
Notice that our first firmament of heaven is made only on the 2nd day (Genesis 1:6~8) and the making of our world (earth) started only on the 3rd day (Genesis 1:9~10) not Genesis 1:1, am I correct?
Any other thought is welcome.....
God Bless
Last edited by Seve; November 10th, 2009 at 06:16 PM.
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November 10th, 2009, 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Seve
Briefly, here's how I read Genesis 1:1~5 based on my humble biblical understanding ....
Genesis 1:1 is just a preface - the story of the "Beginning"
Genesis 1:2 narrates us the condition of the deep (dark -null & void) before the world was.
Genesis 1:3 documents us the bringing forth of the Light before anything is made; before the world was.
Genesis 1:4 the division / separation of Light from darkness - the first work of old.
Genesis 1:5 The evening & the morning, the first day.
Notice that our first firmament of heaven is made only on the 2nd day (Genesis 1:6~8) and the making of our world (earth) started only on the 3rd day (Genesis 1:9~10) not Genesis 1:1, am I correct?
Any other thought is welcome.....
God Bless
Hopefully this is not an attempt to introduce a "Gap Theory."
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Briefly, here's how I read Genesis 1:1~5 based on my humble biblical understanding ....
Genesis 1:1 is just a preface - the story of the "Beginning"
Genesis 1:2 narrates us the condition of the deep (dark -null & void) before the world was.
Genesis 1:3 documents us the bringing forth of the Light before anything is made; before the world was.
Genesis 1:4 the division / separation of Light from darkness - the first work of old.
Genesis 1:5 The evening & the morning, the first day.
Notice that our first firmament of heaven is made only on the 2nd day (Genesis 1:6~8) and the making of our world (earth) started only on the 3rd day (Genesis 1:9~10) not Genesis 1:1, am I correct?
Any other thought is welcome.....
God Bless
Welcome to TOL Patriot Fan. I live about 40 miles from the home of the Patriots.
Now about Genesis. What ever is written works for me because I was not there. I missed it by a few years. The part I found interesting is that the Sun and Moon were not made til the fourth day. That is when our standard of time began. So millions of years (our years) could have passed before they were created.
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Psalm 1[/color] and Job 28:28
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
Stripe, Have you read the basis for many forms of suggested "Gap Theories?" They indeed serve no use, as you say, but such speculators employ the very verses being brought up for discussion by this OP. I would just appreciate the OP clarifying his intentions, and hopefully denying that his desire is to introduce any kind of a Genesis "Gap Theory." Then perhaps Scriptural and sound theological discussion can follow . . . Nang
OK. I've not read extensively on the subject and I was only referring to the one that reads "created" as "became" in 1:1.
We still don't know if our newbie is a gappist or not though.
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The part I found interesting is that the Sun and Moon were not made til the fourth day. That is when our standard of time began. So millions of years (our years) could have passed before they were created.
Do you think the earth rotated a lot more slowly before Day 4?
Briefly, here's how I read Genesis 1:1~5 based on my humble biblical understanding ....
Genesis 1:1 is just a preface - the story of the "Beginning"
Genesis 1:2 narrates us the condition of the deep (dark -null & void) before the world was.
Genesis 1:3 documents us the bringing forth of the Light before anything is made; before the world was.
Genesis 1:4 the division / separation of Light from darkness - the first work of old.
Genesis 1:5 The evening & the morning, the first day.
Notice that our first firmament of heaven is made only on the 2nd day (Genesis 1:6~8) and the making of our world (earth) started only on the 3rd day (Genesis 1:9~10) not Genesis 1:1, am I correct?
Brethren,
I don't believe in "Gap Theory" - which suggest that God needed to "repair" or "re-create" the physical world that, accordingly, was destroyed in the beginning - between Gen. 1:1-2 - as the result of Satan' spiritual rebellion with God. It just doesn't make sense and definitely not supported by the Scripture, that I know of.
However, I believe there are numerous worlds made during the creation process, but there are several reasons why I believe that the word used in Gen. 1:1 (KJV) specifically.... is Heaven and not Heavens (plural). In the context of the text, I see the narrative as saying:
In the beginning God Created the heaven (Air) and the Earth (Ground). And the Earth (Ground) was without form, (Dust) and void; (Empty) and darkness (Death) was upon the face of the deep, and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
The 3 elements necessary for all physical form are shown... Air, Dust, and Water. Everything which is physical is composed of these 3 elements. The text is correct in showing that the water was not directly created, or spoken into being, because it consists of elements of the Air or Atmosphere. Water is Hydrogen and Oxygen and came from the Atmosphere and is not shown as a separate creation.
This is correct in today's scientific knowledge, but IF the Bible were written by Ancient men, Moses would not have known this. He would have written that in the beginning God created the Air, Dust, and Water, but since God Himself is the Author, He correctly shows that the Atmosphere and Ground were created, and the Water was not a separate creation but instead, came from the Atmosphere.
But that's just my humble biblical opinion.
God Bless
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November 11th, 2009, 11:06 AM
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Brethren,
I don't believe in "Gap Theory" - which suggest that God needed to "repair" or "re-create" the physical world that, accordingly, was destroyed in the beginning - between Gen. 1:1-2 - as the result of Satan' spiritual rebellion with God. God Bless
Thank you for telling us what the gap theory is.
"This then is what it means to be born again of water and Spirit: just as our dying is effected in the water, our living is wrought in the Spirit. In three immersions and in an equal number of invocations the great mystery of baptism is completed in such a way that the type of death may be shown figuratively, and that by the handing on of divine knowledge the souls of the baptized may be illuminated. If, therefore, there is any grace in the water, it is not from the nature of water but from the Spirit's presence there."--St Basil the Great (ca. 350 AD)
Jesus is God and was with the Father before the beginning of the Physical World. When God said, Let there be Light (Gen. 1:3), Jesus came forth from the Spirit of Love into the Physical World and became the Only God ever Physically formed or that ever will be Physically formed. He was Not Created, since He was already God himself - at the bosom of the Father - from the beginning.
As I have asserted before, Jesus was the Light of the 1st 3 Days, just as He will be the Light of Heaven, which has No need for the Sun nor Moon to shine in it - in the end. Without the brightness of glory of Jesus (The True Light) was Not anything made which was made, because Everything Physical was made by the Physical Hands of the Only God, the Only Image, the Only Begotten, of the Invisible Spirit of God. When we get to Heaven, we will truly understand that Jesus is the One God, for In Him dwelleth ALL of the fulness of the Godhead, Bodily (physically).
IOW, Jesus is Lord YHWH himself of the OT, the Son of the invisible God -- whose name is not yet known to anyone at this time.
Of course, the above analogy is only based on my humble biblical understanding.
God Bless
Last edited by Seve; November 11th, 2009 at 01:35 PM.
Do you think the earth rotated a lot more slowly before Day 4?
No, but I think time as we now know it was measured to our understanding then. When the sun was created a 24 hour day was made. How long were the days before?
Gen 1:14 Then God said, "Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night, and let them be for signs and for seasons and for days and years;
Gen 1:15 and let them be for lights in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth"; and it was so.
Gen 1:16 God made the two great lights, the greater light to govern the day, and the lesser light to govern the night; He made the stars also.
Gen 1:17 God placed them in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth,
Gen 1:18 and to govern the day and the night, and to separate the light from the darkness; and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:19 There was evening and there was morning, a fourth day.
I hope you can see my point. We have no way of knowing how long the creation took. Another thing that is interesting is that space is in darkness. Without the Sun we would NOT have light. So my kooky mind is wondering if everything is relative, Is the rest of heaven in darkness because in God's time it is night???
I know it sounds kind of dumb, but my mind is always moving.
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Psalm 1[/color] and Job 28:28
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
No, but I think time as we now know it was measured to our understanding then. When the sun was created a 24 hour day was made. How long were the days before?
All one needs to have a day is a light source and a rotating earth. We have a light source. Was the earth rotating more slowly? No? Then days were the same length as they are now.
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November 12th, 2009, 08:19 AM
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All one needs to have a day is a light source and a rotating earth. We have a light source. Was the earth rotating more slowly? No? Then days were the same length as they are now.
I'm gonna have to agree with Stripe.
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All one needs to have a day is a light source and a rotating earth. We have a light source. Was the earth rotating more slowly? No? Then days were the same length as they are now.
Before the sun was created what was it rotating around?
How long was the day , 24 hours? I doubt it.
Psalm 1[/color] and Job 28:28
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
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November 11th, 2009, 07:35 AM
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