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November 18th, 2009, 09:40 AM
The TheologyOnline.com TOPIC OF THE DAY for November 18th, 2009 10:26 AM
toldailytopic: Some people say Christians shouldn't judge (Mat 7:1), others say we should judge rightly (Luke 7:43). What's your judgment on this issue?
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We should not be judging non-Christians. We are, however, responsible for judging within the church.
What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13God will judge those outside. "Expel the wicked man from among you."
1 Cor 5:12-13
If you have material wealth, but do not give to those in need, then the love of God is not in you. Whatever you have done for the least of these you have done for HIM. To give to the poor is to lend to the LORD.
We should not be judging non-Christians. We are, however, responsible for judging within the church.
What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13God will judge those outside. "Expel the wicked man from among you."
1 Cor 5:12-13
Then how do you witness the gospel, if you can show them no sin?
Then how do you witness the gospel, if you can show them no sin?
Christ didn't go around condemning people as sinners to preach the gospel. Rather, the sinners were the ones whom he spent time with, helped and fed, the ones he ate with. He witnessed to them by first providing for their needs and then teaching them.
You don't have to pretend that non-Christians are not sinners - to the contrary all are sinners - but that doesn't mean you need to start picking a non-Christian apart for his/her specific sins. It is not our job, and is counter-productive.
If you have material wealth, but do not give to those in need, then the love of God is not in you. Whatever you have done for the least of these you have done for HIM. To give to the poor is to lend to the LORD.
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"Ah, well, I am a great and sublime fool. But then I am God's fool, and all His work must be contemplated with respect." - Mark Twain
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November 18th, 2009, 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by csuguy
Christ didn't go around condemning people as sinners to preach the gospel. Rather, the sinners were the ones whom he spent time with, helped and fed, the ones he ate with. He witnessed to them by first providing for their needs and then teaching them.
You don't have to pretend that non-Christians are not sinners - to the contrary all are sinners - but that doesn't mean you need to start picking a non-Christian apart for his/her specific sins. It is not our job, and is counter-productive.
I disagree. There are plenty of examples of Jesus specifically calling people out for what they're doing wrong... especially the Pharisees.
"Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God." - Thomas Jefferson
"The Hand of providence has been so conspicuous in all this, that he must be worse than an infidel that lacks faith, and more than wicked, that has not gratitude enough to acknowledge his obligations." - George Washington
"What is faith? Is it to believe that which is evident? No. It is perfectly evident to my mind that there exists a necessary, eternal, supreme, and intelligent being. This is no matter of faith, but of reason." - Voltaire
I disagree. There are plenty of examples of Jesus specifically calling people out for what they're doing wrong... especially the Pharisees.
Oh yes - he went after the teachers of the law [aka those 'righteous' people IN the church] - but not the sinners whom he was trying to convert.
If you have material wealth, but do not give to those in need, then the love of God is not in you. Whatever you have done for the least of these you have done for HIM. To give to the poor is to lend to the LORD.
csuguy has an appropriate view of this topic. The distinction in judgment comes with the distinction between justification and sanctification. I'm not the judge of a person's relationship, or lack thereof, with the Father through Jesus, but I am to help other believers move forward in that relationship, which means that occasionally I will have to point out the sin of others. When I do so, though, I ought to do it in a spirit of humility ("but for the grace of God there go I") and with the hope of restoring my erring brother or sister to a proper relationship.
Eucharist [thanksgiving] is the state of the perfect man. Eucharist is the life of paradise. Eucharist is the only full and real response of man to God's creation, redemption, and gift of heaven. - Alexander Schemann
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"A steady patriot of the world alone, The friend of every country but his own. "
-George Canning
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November 27th, 2009, 01:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Son of Jack
csuguy has an appropriate view of this topic. The distinction in judgment comes with the distinction between justification and sanctification. I'm not the judge of a person's relationship, or lack thereof, with the Father through Jesus, but I am to help other believers move forward in that relationship, which means that occasionally I will have to point out the sin of others. When I do so, though, I ought to do it in a spirit of humility ("but for the grace of God there go I") and with the hope of restoring my erring brother or sister to a proper relationship.
I think few could have put it better.
I am an aristocrat. I love liberty; I hate equality.
-John Randolph
What is Whiggery? A leveling, rancorous, rational sort of mind, that never looked out of the eye of a saint , or out of a drunkard's eye. All's Whiggery now, but we old men are massed against the world.
W.B Yeats
Christ didn't go around condemning people as sinners to preach the gospel. Rather, the sinners were the ones whom he spent time with, helped and fed, the ones he ate with. He witnessed to them by first providing for their needs and then teaching them.
Not the unrepentant. You are way off.
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You don't have to pretend that non-Christians are not sinners - to the contrary all are sinners - but that doesn't mean you need to start picking a non-Christian apart for his/her specific sins. It is not our job, and is counter-productive.
Who does that? Aside from telling homos to stop being utterly disgusting perverts that they are.
The only ones Christ was really harsh towards were those who considered themselves righteous - the Pharisees [those WITHIN the church]. Christ didn't go around yelling at the homos and other sinners - he sat down with them and spent time with them, he met there needs, and he respectfully presented his message. He did not start yelling at them or something like you would see today.
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Who does that? Aside from telling homos to stop being utterly disgusting perverts that they are.
Like I said earlier, homosexuals are a great example of a group of people whom Christians like to socially outcast. Completely goes against Christ's example and scripture. I Cor 5.
If you have material wealth, but do not give to those in need, then the love of God is not in you. Whatever you have done for the least of these you have done for HIM. To give to the poor is to lend to the LORD.
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Most people see themselves as human beings having spiritual experiences, I am a spiritual being having human experiences.
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November 23rd, 2009, 09:26 AM
You don't witness the Gospel. You witness the love of God. The Gospels are just guides to understand our daily communion with God, if in fact you commune with Him. Truth is revelaed through Him, not in the words in any book. If the truth is in the words of the Gospel, why are there literally thousands of interpretations and who knows how many different christian denominations.
You don't witness the Gospel. You witness the love of God. The Gospels are just guides to understand our daily communion with God, if in fact you commune with Him. Truth is revelaed through Him, not in the words in any book. If the truth is in the words of the Gospel, why are there literally thousands of interpretations and who knows how many different christian denominations.
Hey, everyone! Meet someone with no idea what "gospel" actually means, or what the gospel really is.
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