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April 26th, 2010, 11:33 AM
I have a chronic illness, so I have lots of time to read the New Testament.
The more I study the Scriptures, the more evidence I find that the Catholic Church is the Biblical Church.
For example, James 2:13, 14, 17, 19, 20, 22, 24, 26 and James 5:20 clearly say that we are not saved by faith alone,
though Paul was quite right in the context of the Judaizing heresy to emphasize--just like the Council of Trent, cf. DS 1548--that there is absolutely nothing whatsoever that we can do to earn our justification; and that keeping the Jewish Law can in no wise earn this.
Yet in a different sense we can say that we are justfied by works and not by faith alone (James 2:24), just as Paul testifies even in Romans 2:6-7.
And In Jn 6:4, 51-58 we see the Catholic teaching on the Mass.
In Romans 12:1 Paul says we should offer our bodies--ie the Body of Christ (Rom 12:5, Eph 5:30--as a Living Sacrifice. Yet nobody would say this implies an addition to Christ's grace or a New Sacrifice.
Hebrews confirms this by saying that Christ is a Priest Forever: i.e. His One Sacrifice Never Ends (cf. Heb 7:17, 25)
All of this is supported by Church history, which is the history of Jesus (Eph 1:22-23)
peace in the name of Jesus Christ, the Son of God,
Who makes us really free (Jn 8:36)--not just "forensically free"!,
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Last edited by patricius79; April 26th, 2010 at 11:56 AM.
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April 26th, 2010, 11:53 AM
I have just as much legitimacy claiming to a descendant of the King of England as the RCC has to being a 'spritual' decendant of Peter. Hearsay is hearsay.
The fact that Peter did not leave anything in writing about whether he was passing his authority on is no different the me not having a piece of writing that stating that my great grandfather was a windsor.
As time goes on, I see the RCC being nothing more then a usurper to a birthright they have no right to.
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Gaudium de veritate (Latin, "Delight in the truth")
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April 26th, 2010, 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by HisServant
I have just as much legitimacy claiming to a descendant of the King of England as the RCC has to being a 'spritual' decendant of Peter. Hearsay is hearsay.
Hardly "hearsay." The ancient Christian belief in Papal Succession extends from Christ and the apostles, through the testimony and teaching of the early Church Fathers who received their beliefs from the apostles and their apppointed successors, throughout the Church's history, right down to our own day.
"The very tradition, teaching, & faith of the Catholic Church from the beginning was preached by the Apostles & preserved by the Fathers. On this the Church was founded..." ~ St. Athanasius (4th cent.)
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April 26th, 2010, 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Cruciform
Hardly "hearsay." The ancient Christian belief in Papal Succession extends from Christ and the apostles, through the testimony and teaching of the early Church Fathers who received their beliefs from the apostles and their apppointed successors, throughout the Church's history, right down to our own day.
And as has been pointed out before.. your assertions are nothing more then hearsay, as you cannot prove any of your early church fathers were even disciples of the 12.
Anyone can claim to be a disciple of someone, but that does not make it true unless the teacher asserts it. Yet in the area of apostolic succession, the original apostles teachings lay strikingly silent.
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April 26th, 2010, 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by HisServant
And as has been pointed out before.. your assertions are nothing more then hearsay, as you cannot prove any of your early church fathers were even disciples of the 12.
"The very tradition, teaching, & faith of the Catholic Church from the beginning was preached by the Apostles & preserved by the Fathers. On this the Church was founded..." ~ St. Athanasius (4th cent.)
Hardly "hearsay." The ancient Christian belief in Papal Succession extends from Christ and the apostles, through the testimony and teaching of the early Church Fathers who received their beliefs from the apostles and their apppointed successors, throughout the Church's history, right down to our own day.
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Whatever is worth doing is worth doing badly - Chesterton
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February 16th, 2011, 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by HisServant
I have just as much legitimacy claiming to a descendant of the King of England as the RCC has to being a 'spritual' decendant of Peter. Hearsay is hearsay.
The fact that Peter did not leave anything in writing about whether he was passing his authority on is no different the me not having a piece of writing that stating that my great grandfather was a windsor.
As time goes on, I see the RCC being nothing more then a usurper to a birthright they have no right to.
you show your ignorance of history.. and scripture. In Acts, it was Peter who got the others together to decide who would take the office Judas used to have..
If you study Catholic Church history you will see things differently.. but you dont want to get rid of your bias, i presume... been involved in conversations with many who are like that
its just so much more fun to bash the Catholic Church, which "everyone" else bashes, esp the liberal media. they report on priests who may (or may NOT) be pedophiles but when a protestant minister does the same thing, you dont hear of it or the story is on the last page in some obscure spot where few will find it
the fact is that pedophelia happens twice as often in protestant churches as Catholic ones... I've heard that statistic in more than one place and i only read reliable, respectable newspapers.. books, etc
you can't say anything against Blacks without getting pounced on... can't speak against Jews or gays or whomever... but it is always totally OK to bash Catholics...
Well, i tell myself... Look what ppl did to Jesus
"You will be hated by all because of my name" (St Mk 13:13) He said...
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February 17th, 2011, 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by coulter4president
you show your ignorance of history.. and scripture. In Acts, it was Peter who got the others together to decide who would take the office Judas used to have..
Which is totally irrevalent when it comes to the topic at hand... because later Paul laid the smack down on Paul for his horrible and very un-christlike behavior toward gentiles.
Personally, I think there is enough scriptural evidence to say that Peter was somewhat the lead of those that ministered to the converted Jews.. and Paul was somewhat the leader of the gentiles (afterall, it is Jesus who personally called him to minister to the gentiles).
So if you are not a Jew.. and 'following' Peter.. you have serious issues.
I have just as much legitimacy claiming to a descendant of the King of England as the RCC has to being a 'spritual' decendant of Peter. Hearsay is hearsay.
The fact that Peter did not leave anything in writing about whether he was passing his authority on is no different the me not having a piece of writing that stating that my great grandfather was a windsor.
As time goes on, I see the RCC being nothing more then a usurper to a birthright they have no right to.
The whole of Christianity, starting with Catholicism, is no more than a usurper to the right to claim that the Faith of Jesus, which was Judaism be replaced by the one of Paul, which was Christianity. Hence, Replacement Theology.
I have just as much legitimacy claiming to a descendant of the King of England as the RCC has to being a 'spritual' decendant of Peter. Hearsay is hearsay.
The fact that Peter did not leave anything in writing about whether he was passing his authority on is no different the me not having a piece of writing that stating that my great grandfather was a windsor.
As time goes on, I see the RCC being nothing more then a usurper to a birthright they have no right to.
sorry to see you are so clueless about Christ's original Church
you are really missing out
just because all the people in the Church are imperfect doesn't mean the Church is not Christ's Church
Even Jesus chose Judas who betrayed him later
God established a Church through the Jews.
That Church wascontinued with Jesus Christ
and is the Roman CatholicChurch you hate
whine and cry about that all you want, it doesn't change. Read history
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Joh 3:16...God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Joh 17:3 ...this is life eternal, that they migh
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August 13th, 2011, 02:34 AM
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Originally Posted by logical1
sorry to see you are so clueless about Christ's original Church
you are really missing out
just because all the people in the Church are imperfect doesn't mean the Church is not Christ's Church
Even Jesus chose Judas who betrayed him later
God established a Church through the Jews.
That Church wascontinued with Jesus Christ
and is the Roman CatholicChurch you hate
whine and cry about that all you want, it doesn't change. Read history
Neither Jesus no his apostles named his Church for a very good reason.
Alas, wicket man used Christianity for barbaric reasons.
The more I study the Scriptures, the more evidence I find that the Catholic Church is the Biblical Church.
But you, do not be called 'Rabbi'; for One is your Teacher, the Christ, and you are all brethren. Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. And do not be called teachers; for One is your Teacher, the Christ. (Matthew 23:8-10)
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Gaudium de veritate (Latin, "Delight in the truth")
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April 26th, 2010, 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by jamie
But you, do not be called 'Rabbi'; for One is your Teacher, the Christ, and you are all brethren. Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. And do not be called teachers; for One is your Teacher, the Christ. (Matthew 23:8-10)
"The very tradition, teaching, & faith of the Catholic Church from the beginning was preached by the Apostles & preserved by the Fathers. On this the Church was founded..." ~ St. Athanasius (4th cent.)
I think you miss the point. I don't believe Jesus was referring to the words themselves, but rather to what those words represented. The emphasis was on the fact that his followers are brethren, not hierarchical. Sure there are pastors and teachers, not to be lords over God's heritage, but to be examples to the flock.
We have seen the example set by many of the pastors and teachers in your group. No thanks.
April 26th, 2010, 04:00 PM
February 17th, 2011, 03:45 PM
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