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Is Your Jesus "Lord?" - April 28th, 2010, 09:13 AM

Do you have faith that Jesus Christ has overcome the world, the flesh, and the devil?

1 John 5:4-5, "For whatsoever is born of God overcomes the world: and this is the victory that overcomes the world, even our faith. Who is he that overcomes the world, but he that believes that Jesus is the Son of God."

Jesus is Lord because he is victorious over sin, death and the devil.

Believing that Jesus is Lord is the divideing point as to whether you are really a Christian or a counterfeit. Many religions do not believe that Jesus is Lord. This is evident because they do not teach the Lordship of Christ.

Calvinist, Catholics and others do not teach the Lordship of Christ. Jesus is not Lord if he has only made a limited atonement. Jesus is not Lord if he is not the savior of the whole world. Jesus is not Lord if you have to save yourself by dealing with your own sins. Jesus is not Lord if you have to add your works to his salvation.

Those who are "In Christ" have overcome the world, the flesh, and the devil. We have overcome because Jesus has overcome. We are resting in his victory, Hebrews 4:10.

When Jesus was accepted back into heaven by God he received a heros welcome. By his sinless life and his atonement for sin he has reconciled the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:19. It's over, it's finished. Sin, death and the devil have been defeated, Jesus is Lord. If there was one sin not atoned for Jesus would not have been accepted into heaven and we would still be in our sins.

Jesus Christ now owns the world and all that are in it, he has purchased it with his blood. He will be returning soon to claim what is his. Revelation 19:16 says that when he returns, "On his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS." Those of you who have not made Jesus your Lord and savior will be made to bow and to confess, "That Jesus is Lord." Philippians 2:9-10.



   
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April 28th, 2010, 09:17 AM

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Jesus Christ now owns the world and all that are in it, he has purchased it with his blood. He will be returning soon to claim what is his. Revelation 19:16 says that when he returns, "On his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS." Those of you who have not made Jesus your Lord and savior will be made to bow and to confess, "That Jesus is Lord." Ephesians 2:10-11.
And then what?

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Read it for yourself. Revelation 19:17, 18, 20, 21.



   
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April 28th, 2010, 09:50 AM

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Read it for yourself. Revelation 19:17, 18, 20, 21.
Okay, the birds have a nice supper. Is that the end of the story?

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April 28th, 2010, 11:57 AM

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Okay, the birds have a nice supper. Is that the end of the story?

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No, that is just the beginning.

Revelation 21:1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8.



   
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April 28th, 2010, 12:32 PM

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No, that is just the beginning.

Revelation 21:1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8.
Okay, so everyone has received eternal life, now what do they do?

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April 28th, 2010, 12:22 PM

Jesus is my Lord, but not my God.





Psalm 1[/color] and Job 28:28

Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.

I love the God of my Lord Jesus Christ
   
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Jesus is my Lord, but not my God.
I know. That is unfortunate.

Jesus said, "You are from beneath; I am from above: you are of this world; I am not of this world. I said therefore unto you, that you shall die in your sins: for if you believe not that I am he (God) you shall die in your sins," John 8:23-24.

"In him dwells all of the fullness of the Godhead bodily," Colossians 2:9.

Your doctrine is contrary to scripture.



   
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Jesus is my Lord, but not my God.
Let me guess...your God is the same God that Jesus had, right? So there's a good chance that you and I have the same God.



   
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April 28th, 2010, 05:13 PM

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Let me guess...your God is the same God that Jesus had, right? So there's a good chance that you and I have the same God.
Is the Hebrew word for God elohim? And if it is, is the word singular or plural?

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Is the Hebrew word for God elohim? And if it is, is the word singular or plural?

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Jesus said, "I and the Father are one," John 10:30.

No one can comprehend the trinity, it is beyond human thought. You have to accept it by faith.



   
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April 28th, 2010, 07:32 PM

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Jesus said, "I and the Father are one," John 10:30.

No one can comprehend the trinity, it is beyond human thought. You have to accept it by faith.
Thanks for the thought, Robert, but the question was directed to the chair man.

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Is the Hebrew word for God elohim? And if it is, is the word singular or plural?

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The noun has a plural form, but it does not mean that God is plural. You can tell this by the verb form used with Elohim, which is in the singular. Study some Hebrew and you will see what I mean.

On the other hand, there are verses that explicitly say that God is one (the most well known one is in Deuteronomy 6:4). And don't start telling me that 'one' in Hebrew means something different than 'one' in English. It doesn't.



   
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The noun has a plural form, but it does not mean that God is plural. You can tell this by the verb form used with Elohim, which is in the singular. Study some Hebrew and you will see what I mean.

On the other hand, there are verses that explicitly say that God is one (the most well known one is in Deuteronomy 6:4). And don't start telling me that 'one' in Hebrew means something different than 'one' in English. It doesn't.
And others who also speak and read Hebrew disagree with you. The stuff I have read including a copy of "The Holy Scriptures" which has none of the "N.T.", says, "Let us make man in our image"





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The noun has a plural form, but it does not mean that God is plural. You can tell this by the verb form used with Elohim, which is in the singular. Study some Hebrew and you will see what I mean.

On the other hand, there are verses that explicitly say that God is one (the most well known one is in Deuteronomy 6:4). And don't start telling me that 'one' in Hebrew means something different than 'one' in English. It doesn't.
El is singular, elohim is plural. There is one God, but the one God is comprised of more than one person. Melchizedec blessed Abraham on behalf of the Most High God.

There is one God in the same way as the United States is one nation, but the one nation is comprised of more than one person. Or you could refer to one team, one family, one group.

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