[Non-Excluvistic]

Just to play devils advocate for a sec. I want to discuss some facts about evolution that us religious people often get wrong.

1. Evolution does not say we evolved from monkeys, it says we had a common ancestor.

What is the problem with that? Don't humans and monkeys have common characteristics? Yes.

2) A poster on this forums said, "why is it that monkeys eat plants and veggies and humans eat meat."

Well, humans choose to eat meat, but it has already been proven that people probably were not meat eaters. Science shows that the more meat we eat, the sicker we get -- heart disease, cancer, diabetes, osteoporosis, and every other major degenerative disease. If eating meat were so natural, it wouldn't destroy our health. It's likely that we got use to eating meat, but some of the side-effects still remain.

Here are just a few facts about the characteristics of meat eaters:

Meat-eaters: have claws

Herbivores: no claws

Humans: no claws

Meat-eaters: have no skin pores and perspire through the tongue

Herbivores: perspire through skin pores

Humans: perspire through skin pores

Meat-eaters: have sharp front teeth for tearing, with no flat molar teeth for grinding

Herbivores: no sharp front teeth, but flat rear molars for grinding

Humans: no sharp front teeth, but flat rear molars for grinding



What about the tail bone? Why do humans have tail bones if we never had tails?

What about the people who are born with tails sometimes?
Take a look at these humans with tails on the link below.

http://www.creation-vs-evolution.us/...n/human-tails/ Yea, I know it is an evolution site. But I found them to be the clearest pic all together.

Scientist aren't "unsure" where the tails come from.
It is a dormant gene that's been made active.
According to scientist, the dormant gene comes from our ancestors long ago who had tails.
We still have the tail bone. Guess what these human tails are attached to. THE TAIL BONE. How do we explain this?

For those of you who take the Adam and Eve story literally, did Adam and Eve have tails too?

I'm all for my faith and religious beliefs, I am just not willing to be in denial when evidence may be staring me in the face, just for the sake of protecting traditions.

Personally, I don't think it would prove God does not exist if evolution is true (which there is more evidence for it than against it).
It may however, suggest that the Adam and Eve stories didn't happen literally the way told in our books.
And it may suggest that our opinions about God could be wrong too.

Faith is good and religious beliefs should be respected, but sometimes doubt is what get you an education, and helps us find truth.

What do you guys think about the tails and other characteristics said to once exist in humans long ago?

[Cruciform]

Originally Posted by Non-Excluvistic

Would evolution prove God does not exist to a believer?

No, and neither would it disprove God's existence. Evaluating non-material (i.e., spiritual) entities and effects is simply beyond the scope of the scientific enterprise. Science simply isn't equipped to address such questions.


Gaudium de veritate,

Cruciform
+T+

[Stuu]

Originally Posted by Cruciform

Evaluating non-material (i.e., spiritual) entities and effects is simply beyond the scope of the scientific enterprise. Science simply isn't equipped to address such questions

Like what questions, specifically?

Stuart

[kmoney]

Originally Posted by Non-Excluvistic

Personally, I don't think it would prove God does not exist if evolution is true (which there is more evidence for it than against it).
It may however, suggest that the Adam and Eve stories didn't happen literally the way told in our books.
And it may suggest that our opinions about God could be wrong too.

Faith is good and religious beliefs should be respected, but sometimes doubt is what get you an education, and helps us find truth

For the question in the thread title - it depends on the person. Some believers will have their faith shaken or shattered by evolution. Believing in evolution can have some definite consequences for believers and how they interpret scripture. It's easy to find a slippery slope and fall off the edge into unbelief. It's not true for everyone though. There are theistic evolutionists who weave their beliefs and evolution together. There are several on this forum.

[chair]

It's not belief in God that is the issue, as far as I understand. Evolution interferes with specific Christian beliefs:

The idea that death started only after the "Fall"
Original Sin

It also creates a problem for those who insist that they are reading the Bible literally (which they never do, by the way, but they think or claim that they do).

It is really rather silly to reject evolution these days.

The senseless man does not know,
fools do not understand,

[Ktoyou]

Originally Posted by Non-Excluvistic

Just to play devils advocate for a sec. I want to discuss some facts about evolution that us religious people often get wrong.

1. Evolution does not say we evolved from monkeys, it says we had a common ancestor.

What is the problem with that? Don't humans and monkeys have common characteristics? Yes.

2) A poster on this forums said, "why is it that monkeys eat plants and veggies and humans eat meat."

Well, humans choose to eat meat, but it has already been proven that people probably were not meat eaters. Science shows that the more meat we eat, the sicker we get -- heart disease, cancer, diabetes, osteoporosis, and every other major degenerative disease. If eating meat were so natural, it wouldn't destroy our health. It's likely that we got use to eating meat, but some of the side-effects still remain.

Here are just a few facts about the characteristics of meat eaters:

Meat-eaters: have claws

Herbivores: no claws

Humans: no claws

Meat-eaters: have no skin pores and perspire through the tongue

Herbivores: perspire through skin pores

Humans: perspire through skin pores

Meat-eaters: have sharp front teeth for tearing, with no flat molar teeth for grinding

Herbivores: no sharp front teeth, but flat rear molars for grinding

Humans: no sharp front teeth, but flat rear molars for grinding



What about the tail bone? Why do humans have tail bones if we never had tails?

What about the people who are born with tails sometimes?
Take a look at these humans with tails on the link below.

http://www.creation-vs-evolution.us/...n/human-tails/ Yea, I know it is an evolution site. But I found them to be the clearest pic all together.

Scientist aren't "unsure" where the tails come from.
It is a dormant gene that's been made active.
According to scientist, the dormant gene comes from our ancestors long ago who had tails.
We still have the tail bone. Guess what these human tails are attached to. THE TAIL BONE. How do we explain this?

For those of you who take the Adam and Eve story literally, did Adam and Eve have tails too?

I'm all for my faith and religious beliefs, I am just not willing to be in denial when evidence may be staring me in the face, just for the sake of protecting traditions.

Personally, I don't think it would prove God does not exist if evolution is true (which there is more evidence for it than against it).
It may however, suggest that the Adam and Eve stories didn't happen literally the way told in our books.
And it may suggest that our opinions about God could be wrong too.

Faith is good and religious beliefs should be respected, but sometimes doubt is what get you an education, and helps us find truth.

What do you guys think about the tails and other characteristics said to once exist in humans long ago?

You must be a dope! Some monkeys and apes do eat meat. If you actually knew much about what evolutionists believe about how human developed, you would know they all agree that tribal hunting of lager game helped develop the large human brain.

If you believe in creationism, then it does not matter.

It irks me when people who know the a little pretend to act as if they are scientists.

[Non-Excluvistic]

Originally Posted by Ktoyou

You must be a dope! Some monkeys and apes

First off, the disrespect is not appreciated, I'm sure you are capable of having better manners and voicing your opinion in a more intelligent way. Second, if you have some input or see something wrong with the info, then you are welcomed to present info--no one is perfect.

Where did I pretend to be a scientist, or suggest that I was? I'm hear to discuss, and learn others views and opinions. Now, if you are the almighty expert scientist etc, then all means whip out the knowledge, but somehow I get the vibe you are not. You are here with opinions and have read some stuff just like me--get over yourself and act like you have some class.

Btw, yes, some monkeys have been known to eat meat and hunt with spears etc, just like some humans have been known to not eat meat--I think apes and humans can choose what they put in their motuhs, thats not hard to figure out. I don't see the brilliance in pointing this out, that would allow for your disrespect and arrogance. Besides that, if you actually pay attention to my post, I said, "a poster on this forum asked Why do humans eat meat and monkeys eat plants etc."

If you are offended and so sensitive to views that may differ from your own, then maybe you need to grow up a bit.

[jamie]

Originally Posted by Non-Excluvistic

Faith is good and religious beliefs should be respected, but sometimes doubt is what get you an education, and helps us find truth.

Hey, I'm all for truth. What's the truth about the origin of the universe? Where did the hydrogen atom come from? What was the source of matter and energy?

I think it takes a lot of faith to believe in evolution.

Jamie

[Tyrathca]

Originally Posted by jamie

Hey, I'm all for truth. What's the truth about the origin of the universe? Where did the hydrogen atom come from? What was the source of matter and energy?

I think it takes a lot of faith to believe in evolution.

Jamie

How so? None of your questions was even related to evolution. Besides evolution occurs, we have even been able to show it in the lab with e coli (I think that was the bacteria used) evolving novel traits.

All it takes to believe in evolution is to look at the evidence and how well it works in explaining and predicting things.

As for the thread question. Evolution does not disprove the existence of a god though it does suggest against certain versions of gods. Obviously it is possible to believe in evolution and some sort of god.

[PlastikBuddha]

Originally Posted by jamie

Hey, I'm all for truth. What's the truth about the origin of the universe? Where did the hydrogen atom come from? What was the source of matter and energy?

I think it takes a lot of faith to believe in evolution.

Jamie

Faith in what?

[Alate_One]

Originally Posted by Non-Excluvistic

Here are just a few facts about the characteristics of meat eaters:

Sorry but your "facts" are plain wrong.

Meat-eaters: have claws

Herbivores: no claws

Humans: no claws

There have been and still are many herbivores with claws and carnivores without them (Not heard of sloths I guess). So your generalization isn't a fact its simply wrong.

Meat-eaters: have no skin pores and perspire through the tongue

Herbivores: perspire through skin pores

Uhh . . .no. Vast generalizations that are simply untrue. It seems you're trying to talk about mammals, but your language generalizes to all animals which again is simply wrong.

Humans: perspire through skin pores

Meat-eaters: have sharp front teeth for tearing, with no flat molar teeth for grinding

Herbivores: no sharp front teeth, but flat rear molars for grinding

Humans: no sharp front teeth, but flat rear molars for grinding

our rear molars are not "flat" for grinding. You need to look at some actual animal skulls and compare . . . .

What about the tail bone? Why do humans have tail bones if we never had tails?

Every human has a tail at about 30-50 days after conception. Most of us lose it before birth.

And on your original question, evolution could not prove God does not exist. If you're interested in "theistic evolution" I'd suggest looking here.

[Non-Excluvistic]

Originally Posted by Alate_One

Sorry but your "facts" are plain wrong.


There have been and still are many herbivores with claws and carnivores without them (Not heard of sloths I guess). So your generalization isn't a fact its simply wrong.


Uhh . . .no. Vast generalizations that are simply untrue. It seems you're trying to talk about mammals, but your language generalizes to all animals which again is simply wrong.

our rear molars are not "flat" for grinding. You need to look at some actual animal skulls and compare . . . .

Every human has a tail at about 30-50 days after conception. Most of us lose it before birth.

And on your original question, evolution could not prove God does not exist. If you're interested in "theistic evolution" I'd suggest looking here.

I will look at the site. thanks for the link

[OMEGA]

THE PURPOSE OF LIFE - WHERE MAN CAME FROM

As you look at our Solar System, you see that the planets are
in pairs of smilar sized planets.
Earth and Venus, Jupiter and Saturn and Uranus and Neptune.
But when you look at Mars, it only has the Meteor Belt.
What happened to the Planet that was there. The Scientists say
that there is not enough Mass to make up a Planet there.
What happened to the rest of the Planet ?

About 20 Billion years ago Two Energy Beings we know as GOD
with their vast accumulated knowledge decided to create
other beings like themselves. The Creators started
with simpler Energy Beings of lesser qualities until they
finally created a being similar to themselves
full of wisdom and knowledge. His name was Lucifer.

As time progressed the millions of created beings helped in
designing and creating vast star making structures
made out of swirling gas that would compact
hydrogen and helium gas into balls of burning gas of
tremendous size that we call stars.
Over millions of years a star cools and as the Hydrogen burns
off, the Helium, under Fusion first forms Carbon molecules and
many other molecules and finally forms Nickle and Iron Molecules.
Then under its own immense pressure the star shrinks to a brown dwarf
and cools and forms a planet.

The Energy Beings studied these planets to see what could be
created out of the chemicals that were formed there. They
created the rudiments of physical life on the Earth where conditions
were just right. They genetically developed life forms and
experimented with them over millions of years.

Because the Universe was so large, God wanted more and more
beings to occupy and manage it.
God decided to make intelligent animals that could reproduce
themselves and later be changed into Spirit beings.

And so, He gave the job to his wisest Angel, Lucifer.
Lucifer and his group genetically engineered animals on Earth
that would meet God's requirements. As time went on Lucifer started
to have internal confllicts when God told him that these animals
would eventually have Authority over him. He did not want to be
subservient to an Animal that he had genetically engineered.
He became frustrated and angry and eventually thought that God
was wrong to do this and planned to destroy the Earth Animals .

How was he going to do this ?

Lucifer and his Army moved the orbit of another Planet near Mars, so
that, it hit Mars and blew up and broke apart .
It destroyed everything on Mars and blew all the atmosphere
and the water off into space and accumulated on the other planets
of Jupiter and Saturn. Large pieces of the broken planet traveled
throughout the solar system causing havoc and destruction and also
pummelled the Earth. The Earth was moved off its axis and the
poles melted. Where there had been rivers and streams,
there were now Oceans and Mountains. Everything was under
water and it stayed that way for millions of years.

After blowing up that planet, Lucifer took his Army and tried
to take over control of the Universe by attacking the Creators.
He was defeated and imprisoned along with his Army on the
Earth.
----------------------------------
The Creators had a Problem.
What were they going to do if the other Angels decided to
Rebel too? How could they make them understand
that Rebellion was not the Way to go ?

So, The Creators went off to another Solar System and
continued the project and genetically engineered a physical being
made out of the chemicals of the planet which could be controlled.
After millions of years of developing and studying these
physical beings in a balanced environment, the Creators
worked out a plan. Because Lucifer Rebelled and wanted
to rule the Universe they gave him these physical beings to Rule over.
The Creators gave the physical beings a choice either to
follow them or Lucifer.

After absorbing the fruit contaminated with Lucifers energy,
the people absorbed the rebellious attitude of Satan and
became more spiritually connected to Lucifer and kept drifting away
from The Creators. Jesus later came to the Earth and gave
the physical beings who would follow Him, the Mental Character
Spirit that He had built when He was on the Earth,
to help them fight and overcome Satan's evil Mindset.
Their Reward for Overcoming the pulls of this Satanic world,
would be Immortality and Membership in The Creators
Universal Government. Lucifer continued to influence humans
to go to war with each other because he wants to prepare them
to fight against God. He does not care if humans live or die
because he realizes that they are all going to be brought back to life
and are going to be in The Creators' Government and he and his army
were going to be rejected and locked up for a long long time .

=========================================

[Stuu]

OMEGA have you programmed your PC to produce this fantasy tract every time you press ctrl+t?

Stuart

[Tergaip]

Evolution does not say we evolved from monkeys

Actually

Monkeys