[Non-Excluvistic]

With it already CLEARLY noted, I am aware of what Christians think about the doctrine revealed in the Quran to Muslims; so with that aside, I just wanted to share the truths about Muhammad (pbuh) as a person to clear up the false things said in slander. Remember to watch the documentary below, it is very educational about Islamic history, and what we Muslims think of Muhammad (pbuh) and the misconception about terrorism being an Islamic teaching--to Muslims it is offensive to be grouped with the actions of the extremist.

Prejudice and hatred can be reduced through positive dialogue, regardless of our religious differences. We don't have to agree on religion, but we should be able to get along, and understand one another.

Quran 60:8- GOD does not forbid you from befriending those who do not fight you because of religion, and do not evict you from your homes. You may befriend them and be equitable towards them. GOD loves the equitable.

The Prophet showed civility, humility and modesty to all,
rich or poor, old or young. He preached humbleness to his
companions and demonstrated it by his actions. The Prophet is
reported to have said: “Shall I tell you about the inhabitants of
Paradise? They are very meek and humble persons. And shall I
tell you about the inmates of Hell? They are very ignoble, uncivil
and proud persons” (Bukhari, 2671)

Fourteen hundred years ago, a humble merchant who could not read or write changed the face of Arabia. Today, his influence has spread to every corner of the world including the United States. This is the story Muslims have passed down from generation to generation for 1400 years. It is a story about the merchant, husband, father, statesman and warrior whom they consider the final prophet…, the main whose legacy continues to shape their lives today.

The Farewell Sermon, also known as the Prophet's Final Sermon or The Last Sermon, was delivered by Muhammad about 72 days before his death, on the ninth day of Dhu al-Hijjah, 10 A.H. (632 CE), at the end of his final pilgrimage.
After praising, and thanking Allah he said:

"O People, lend me an attentive ear, for I know not whether after this year, I shall ever be amongst you again. Therefore listen to what I am saying to you very carefully and TAKE THESE WORDS TO THOSE WHO COULD NOT BE PRESENT HERE TODAY.

O People, just as you regard this month, this day, this city as Sacred, so regard the life and property of every Muslim as a sacred trust. Return the goods entrusted to you to their rightful owners. Hurt no one so that no one may hurt you. Remember that you will indeed meet your LORD, and that HE will indeed reckon your deeds. ALLAH has forbidden you to take usury (interest), therefore all interest obligation shall henceforth be waived. Your capital, however, is yours to keep. You will neither inflict nor suffer any inequity. Allah has Judged that there shall be no interest and that all the interest due to Abbas ibn 'Abd'al Muttalib (Prophet's uncle) shall henceforth be waived...

Beware of Satan, for the safety of your religion. He has lost all hope that he will ever be able to lead you astray in big things, so beware of following him in small things.

O People, it is true that you have certain rights with regard to your women, but they also have rights over you. Remember that you have taken them as your wives only under Allah's trust and with His permission. If they abide by your right then to them belongs the right to be fed and clothed in kindness. Do treat your women well and be kind to them for they are your partners and committed helpers. And it is your right that they do not make friends with any one of whom you do not approve, as well as never to be unchaste.

O People, listen to me in earnest, worship ALLAH, say your five daily prayers (Salah), fast during the month of Ramadan, and give your wealth in Zakat. Perform Hajj if you can afford to.

All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over black nor a black has any superiority over white except by piety and good action. Learn that every Muslim is a brother to every Muslim and that the Muslims constitute one brotherhood. Nothing shall be legitimate to a Muslim which belongs to a fellow Muslim unless it was given freely and willingly. Do not, therefore, do injustice to yourselves.

Remember, one day you will appear before ALLAH and answer your deeds. So beware, do not stray from the path(our path, just one of many paths to God) of righteousness after I am gone...

Documentary: Muhammad – Legacy of a Prophet

[Aimiel]

Muhammad was no prophet from God. The Koran is contrary to Scripture. Muhammad's character cannot be known, having no credible independent source of corroborated biography of his life.

[Non-Excluvistic]

Originally Posted by Aimiel

Muhammad was no prophet from God. The Koran is contrary to Scripture. Muhammad's character cannot be known, having no credible independent source of corroborated biography of his life.

As said first in the beginning of the thread:

With it already CLEARLY noted, I am aware of what Christians think about the doctrine revealed in the Quran to Muslims; so with that aside, I just wanted to share the truths about Muhammad (pbuh) as a person to clear up the false things said in slander. Remember to watch the documentary below, it is very educational about Islamic history, and what we Muslims think of Muhammad (pbuh) and the misconception about terrorism being an Islamic teaching--to Muslims it is offensive to be grouped with the actions of the extremist.

I know you don't believe our revelation, the thread is about Muhammad as a prophet to Muslims and his character.

This is no thread for asserting that Christians need to believe in our revelation. It is to tell about who Muhammad was character wise.

His character is very well known, he is the most historic prophet in history. His history is within the Hadith's, no other person from those era's had their personal life detailed. One of the largest segments of Hadiths come directly from his wife. Also his character sits within his farewell sermon.

[Aimiel]

Originally Posted by Non-Excluvistic

This is no thread for asserting that Christians need to believe in our revelation. It is to tell about who Muhammad was character wise.

OK, well, marrying a child and channeling a demon who pretended to be Gabriel tells us all we need to know about his 'character.'

His character is very well known, he is the most historic prophet in history.

Most historic? What does that mean? Jesus is The One Whom the calendar refers to the birth of. He is Whom all of creation is for. He is The Creator, in The Flesh.

His history is within the Hadith's, no other person from those era's had their personal life detailed. One of the largest segments of Hadiths come directly from his wife. Also his character sits within his farewell sermon.

His wife is the one who convinced him that the voice he heard was an angel. Muhammad first thought that it was a demon. Had he not listened to her, he might have been rid of the devil.

[Non-Excluvistic]

I am not indulging in the slander. Either you want to understand Islam and Muslims or ya don't.

Religiously, I know what Christians think about Islam, so that is a dead end argument that doesn't need to be rehashed, and counter-productive--pointless argument

[godrulz]

Originally Posted by Non-Excluvistic

I am not indulging in the slander. Either you want to understand Islam and Muslims or ya don't.

Religiously, I know what Christians think about Islam, so that is a dead end argument that doesn't need to be rehashed, and counter-productive--pointless argument

We also know the slander of Muslims towards Christians and Jews and the Bible. Your misconceptions of Christianity (many Muslims assume North Americans are all Christian and condone Holywood, immorality, abortion, etc.) are more odious than the facts we have about Muhammad. You selectively quote Quran and history while ignoring the other verses about holy war and the slaughter of innocents under Muh's armies to submit them to Islam by force. Christianity's founder and gospel works by love and we do not have the same issues from our founder or holy book.

You have believed a lie and are promoting one. The facts refute you. You may be a moderate Muslim, but that does not change your roots that were not so. Muh was not all evil, but he is not who or what you think he is. He is responsible for millions being lost. Your focus needs to be on who Jesus is, not to elevate Muh. The Bible is not corrupted and the Quran is not divine revelation. Jesus is God, but Muh is a false prophet who teaches contrary to Isa/Jesus.

http://www.gotquestions.org/Muslim-questions.html

http://www.muslimschristiansandjesus.com/

This man and ministry/book is effective at reaching Middle East Muslims with the gospel. He is fair, loving, loved. Muslims read his book and ensured it fairly represented Islam. His focus is Jesus and love, not animosity, conflict, etc. (click on amazon). I would recommend this in addition to Mark Gabriel's books.

[DoogieTalons]

Originally Posted by Aimiel

Muhammad was no prophet from God. The Koran is contrary to Scripture. Muhammad's character cannot be known, having no credible independent source of corroborated biography of his life.

So only Christian "Scripture" is scripture ?

The Koran is only contrary to Christian scripture, from where I'm sitting you're as mad as each other.

How can one crazy religion decry another for the very same reason's thier own religion is mad.

You both believe in invisible men. Simple therfor both are wrong. Regardless of any scripture. Scripture is just writing or defined as A sacred writing or book; An authoritative statement, there are more scriptures than exist in your extremly narrow world view.

Pot: Hey kettle, you're black.

[tetelestai]

Originally Posted by Non-Excluvistic

Documentary: Muhammad – Legacy of a Prophet

1 John 4:1-9

[Non-Excluvistic]

Why are you trying to create an argument? You know very well you believe not that he is revealed in your scriptures, so you posting that is nothing but an attempt to argue.

By definition Muhammad qualifiy's as a prophet, even if you do not agree with our religion: 4. The chief spokesperson of a movement or cause.

1. A person who speaks by divine inspiration or as the interpreter through whom the will of a god is expressed.
2. A person gifted with profound moral insight and exceptional powers of expression.
3. A predictor; a soothsayer.
4. The chief spokesperson of a movement or cause.-he match at least one of the four definitions of a prophet, so we need not argue about that.

This thread is for people who want to understand Islam better. This is a dialogue attempt. To clear up the false violence accusations. To clear up what Muslims believe and the documentary is about Muhammad, and how he carried himself as well as the opinions of Muslims in regards to 9/11.

This is not an Islam vs Christianity thread, nor is it an theology thread.

Whether or not you think he is a prophet, he is a prophet to over a billion people. You don't have to follow our beliefs, nor am I asking you too. It's called dialogue to understand Muslims.

If you want to fight, find another thread.

[Aimiel]

Originally Posted by Non-Excluvistic

Why are you trying to create an argument? You know very well you believe not that he is revealed in your scriptures, so you posting that is nothing but an attempt to argue.

This is the purpose of TOL, and indeed our mandate. We not only believe the Truths found in The Gospel, we know they're true, because Christ lives in us. The lies of your false prophet don't sit well with The Truth, Who lives in us.

By definition Muhammad qualifiy's as a prophet, even if you do not agree with our religion: 4. The chief spokesperson of a movement or cause.

He was no prophet, your re-definition of the word notwithstanding.

1. A person who speaks by divine inspiration or as the interpreter through whom the will of a god is expressed.

God doesn't make use of un-believers. Your prophet doesn't believe in Jesus, Who is The Son of God; therefore, he cannot be a prophet of God.

2. A person gifted with profound moral insight and exceptional powers of expression.

Going into a demon-possessed trance isn't a gift from God.

3. A predictor; a soothsayer.

Witchcraft.

This thread is for people who want to understand Islam better.

This site contains mostly Christians. Get used to being heckled.

This is a dialogue attempt.

Debate is dialog, however much you dislike it.

To clear up the false violence accusations.

Not having credible evidence, all you can do is appeal, you can't clear up a thing.

To clear up what Muslims believe and the documentary is about Muhammad, and how he carried himself as well as the opinions of Muslims in regards to 9/11.

We saw how Muslims reacted to 9/11. Most of them would do the same, given half a chance.

This is not an Islam vs Christianity thread, nor is it an theology thread.

Sorry, but you're a Muslim apologist, whether you realize it or not.

Whether or not you think he is a prophet, he is a prophet to over a billion people.

Doesn't make him true, neither does it make him Godly.

You don't have to follow our beliefs, nor am I asking you too. It's called dialogue to understand Muslims. If you want to fight, find another thread.

If YOU don't want a fight, don't post on a Christian website. Post on one where Christians are banned. Christ is alive. Muhammad is in hell, where he and all of his followers belong.

[chrysostom]

why are there so many different spellings of his name?

[Non-Excluvistic]

Originally Posted by chrysostom

why are there so many different spellings of his name?

Transliterations of Muhammad

The name is also transliterated as Mohammad (primarily in Iran, Afghanistan and Pakistan), Muhammad (in India and Bangladesh), Muhammed (Arab World, primarily in North Africa), Mohamed and Mohamad (Arab World), Muhammad (Arab World), Muhammed, Muhamed, Mehmed (Bosnia and Herzegovina), Muhammed, Muhamed, Muhammet, Muhamet or Mehmet (Turkey and Albania) Mohand (Algeria). In Latin, it is Mahometus (hence Italian Maometto) and Μωάμεθ (Moameth) in Greek. In Spanish is Mahoma, where the H has a mute sound, being pronounced "Maoma", and in Galician is Mamede. In Chinese, it is written as 穆罕默德(Mùhǎnmòdé). In Russia, while the name of the Islamic prophet is typically spelled Мухаммад (Mukhammad), as a given name among the Muslims of Russia, the most common spelling is Магомед (Magomed). In Somali it is Maxamed. While in Senegal and in other West African nations, the variant is Mamadou. In Kazakh, the name is Махамбет (Makhambet).


culture.

[john w]

Originally Posted by chrysostom

why are there so many different spellings of his name?

_
Correct. His previous name was spelled "Cassius Clay."

[Aimiel]

Islam is about religion, which is man attempting to be 'good' enough for God. Christ came to tell men that God will accept us just as we are, if we only believe in Him, so that we can have a relationship with God. The difference between Christianity and all other religions is: our God exists. Christ is alive. Muhammad is dead.

[Non-Excluvistic]

Originally Posted by Aimiel

Islam is about religion, which is man attempting to be 'good' enough for God. Christ came to tell men that God will accept us just as we are, if we only believe in Him, so that we can have a relationship with God. The difference between Christianity and all other religions is: our God exists. Christ is alive. Muhammad is dead.

I am not indulging in the slander. Either you want to understand Islam and Muslims or ya don't.

Religiously, I know what Christians think about Islam, so that is a dead end argument that doesn't need to be rehashed, and counter-productive--pointless argument