The Myth of saying that Jesus Christ died for all men without exception !
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The Myth of saying that Jesus Christ died for all men without exception ! -
November 1st, 2010, 09:21 AM
Another popular Myth in the religious world today, is the Jesus Christ died or gave His Life for everyone in the world without exception, but the problem with that, is there is not one shred of scripture evidence that states that.
The scripture however does say that He died for His Sheep or His Church as per Jn 10:
11I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
15As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
eph 5:
25Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
His People Isa 53:
8He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken. cp Matt 1:21
Now, are all without exception His Sheep ? No
Are all without exception His Church ? No
Are all without exception His People ? No
For surely the seed of the serpent Gen 3:15 cannot be of His Sheep, His Church, or His People.
So why does the religous world proclaim that Jesus Christ died for all men without exception, when they have no scripture proof ? Because it is a Myth.
Rom 2:28-29
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
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1Jn 2:2 He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.
Where does this say that Jesus Christ died for all men without exception ?
Rom 2:28-29
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
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“You do not bring the Name of יהוה (Yahuweh) your Elohim to naught, for יהוה (Yahuweh) does not leave the one unpunished who brings His Name to naught."
That is true. IF ones accepts the terms of the agreement...covenant. IF...look it up in Scriptures. IF IF IF IF IF IF IF. Two letters that those who wish to live in sin can't see. Like the words with more letters, such as "all" and "forever"... or another two letter word...DO.
YeshaYahu (Isaiah) 8:20: To the Torah and to the witness! If they do not speak according to this Word, it is because they have no daybreak.
1st Kepha (Peter) 4:11: If anyone speaks, let it be as the Words of Elohim. If anyone serves, let it be as with the strength which Elohim provides, so that Elohim might be praised in it all through יהושע (Yahu'Shua) Messiah, to whom belong the esteem and the rule forever and ever. Amĕn.
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II Timothy 2:15, Psalms 6:5, I John 3:1-2, Romans 5:1 I John 4:18, I Timothy 2:4-5, II Corinthians 9:8,11, III John 2
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December 20th, 2010, 06:23 AM
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Originally Posted by YahuShuan
That is true. IF ones accepts the terms of the agreement...covenant. IF...look it up in Scriptures. IF IF IF IF IF IF IF. Two letters that those who wish to live in sin can't see. Like the words with more letters, such as "all" and "forever"... or another two letter word...DO.
Yes that is correct. I should have included that in my post. I have shared that truth in so many other posts. Well, I guess I gave someone else the opportunity to share it here.
Romans 10:9-10 make it clear that salvation is available. Ephesians 2:8-9 make it clear that it is a gift, not wages.
Romans 10:9-10 make it very clear that it is free will choice to receive salvation.
How? As the scriptures say and you and I agree. IF...
Receiving any of God's promises is contingent upon us believing and meeting the conditions. It is always our choice as to whether we will meet those conditions or not.
Proverbs 3:5-6 Do we want God to direct our paths? We must trust in him wholeheartedly and not lean on our own understanding but in all our ways acknowledge him.
How do we acknowledge him? How did we learn about Romans 10:9-10 and Proverbs 3:5-6? We read it in God's word. We acknowledge God's word to be truth even as Jesus Christ did. John 17:17 and we live accordingly, even as Jesus Christ did. John 4:34, John 5:30, John 6:38, John 10:30. Jesus Christ lived a powerful life because he lived Proverbs 3:5-6 completely and absolutely. God directed his path.
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“You do not bring the Name of יהוה (Yahuweh) your Elohim to naught, for יהוה (Yahuweh) does not leave the one unpunished who brings His Name to naught."
Yes that is correct. I should have included that in my post. I have shared that truth in so many other posts. Well, I guess I gave someone else the opportunity to share it here.
Romans 10:9-10 make it clear that salvation is available. Ephesians 2:8-9 make it clear that it is a gift, not wages.
Romans 10:9-10 make it very clear that it is free will choice to receive salvation.
How? As the scriptures say and you and I agree. IF...
Receiving any of God's promises is contingent upon us believing and meeting the conditions. It is always our choice as to whether we will meet those conditions or not.
Proverbs 3:5-6 Do we want God to direct our paths? We must trust in him wholeheartedly and not lean on our own understanding but in all our ways acknowledge him.
How do we acknowledge him? How did we learn about Romans 10:9-10 and Proverbs 3:5-6? We read it in God's word. We acknowledge God's word to be truth even as Jesus Christ did. John 17:17 and we live accordingly, even as Jesus Christ did. John 4:34, John 5:30, John 6:38, John 10:30. Jesus Christ lived a powerful life because he lived Proverbs 3:5-6 completely and absolutely. God directed his path.
Thank for your post.
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You can thank Yah (please), it belongs to Him anyway When we all listen to Him, that is when we will "serve Him with one shoulder"...it will come, the Master tarries not I am looking for a day soon when "that which restrains" is removed. The restrainer has been much misunderstood, for what has been restrained, are Yah's people. Yah will release them soon. Then the heavens will rejoice and all creation will worship Yahuweh, King of the Universe, when His Son has "put all enemies under His feet"! Praise be! Halelu Yah! I thank Him for your ears I see in your post, quite "refreshing" I cherish those verses posted. Cherish them ALL actually, fully and as completely as Yah gives me in due seasons.
YeshaYahu (Isaiah) 8:20: To the Torah and to the witness! If they do not speak according to this Word, it is because they have no daybreak.
1st Kepha (Peter) 4:11: If anyone speaks, let it be as the Words of Elohim. If anyone serves, let it be as with the strength which Elohim provides, so that Elohim might be praised in it all through יהושע (Yahu'Shua) Messiah, to whom belong the esteem and the rule forever and ever. Amĕn.
Where does these say that Jesus Christ died for all men without exception ?
Rom 2:28-29
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
Where does it say that God is omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent? The principle is taught without the exact words, duh.
TULIP is tradition vs truth and is not the gospel.
The perfect objective provision intended and sufficient for all men is not subjectively appropriated by all men (we can receive/reject Christ). God's love is unlimited, but we are able to respond or reject due to the nature of reciprocal love relationships.
Know God and make Him known! (YWAM)
They said: "Where is the God of Elijah?"
I say: "Where are the Elijahs of God?" (Ravenhill "Why Revival Tarries")
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". . Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God." Matthew 4:4
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November 1st, 2010, 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by godrulz
The perfect objective provision intended and sufficient for all men is not subjectively appropriated by all men (we can receive/reject Christ).
That is because the "objective provision" did not include all men. (John 5:21)
And sinners can only "receive" the benefits of Christ's cross work, when and if the Father draws them to faith in Him. (John 6:44)
That is because the sacrificial death of Jesus Christ was substitutional, according to covenant promises made to an elect people. And that covenant was ratified by the blood of Christ and guaranteed through the person of Christ as surety of the covenant.
IOW's, any soul who has been given the surety of Christ, cannot ever lose their justification or fail to know ultimate salvation. To say otherwise, declares God to be a liar and a cheat.
The Father has promised life to a chosen people; the Son substituted His life and flesh and blood for those very people; the Holy Spirit irresistibly calls and draws those named people to faith in Jesus Christ, and guarantees them everlasting life. (Ephesians 1:13-14)
This is the surety of the Christian faith . . . and all other gospel messages are not only myths and unscriptural, but outright lies from the devil.
Nang
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November 1st, 2010, 11:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Nang
That is because the "objective provision" did not include all men. (John 5:21)
And sinners can only "receive" the benefits of Christ's cross work, when and if the Father draws them to faith in Him. (John 6:44)
That is because the sacrificial death of Jesus Christ was substitutional, according to covenant promises made to an elect people. And that covenant was ratified by the blood of Christ and guaranteed through the person of Christ as surety of the covenant.
IOW's, any soul who has been given the surety of Christ, cannot ever lose their justification or fail to know ultimate salvation. To say otherwise, declares God to be a liar and a cheat.
The Father has promised life to a chosen people; the Son substituted His life and flesh and blood for those very people; the Holy Spirit irresistibly calls and draws those named people to faith in Jesus Christ, and guarantees them everlasting life. (Ephesians 1:13-14)
This is the surety of the Christian faith . . . and all other gospel messages are not only myths and unscriptural, but outright lies from the devil.
Nang
Um, why would the devil even need to lie if it's only the predestined 'chosen' who are going to be saved anyway? What difference would that make if it's already a 'done deal' and irrevocable? So what, the devil decides to invent a whole gamut of 'heresies' that wouldn't alter anything regardless? :squint:
Um, ya, that makes sense......
What a selfish and limiting doctrine you have. The requisite 'I'm no more deserving' than the 'non elect' just rings sickeningly hollow, not to mention the twisting and lack of logic...
When we all listen to Him, that is when we will "serve Him with one shoulder"...it will come, the Master tarries not
I am looking for a day soon when "that which restrains" is removed. The restrainer has been much misunderstood, for what has been restrained, are Yah's people. Yah will release them soon. Then the heavens will rejoice and all creation will worship Yahuweh, King of the Universe, when His Son has "put all enemies under His feet"! Praise be! Halelu Yah! I thank Him for your ears I see in your post, quite "refreshing"
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