[JoeyArnold]

The Gap Theory is said to occur between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2 and the key factors may or may not just be in the word "was" which may just describe a transformation from something that had formed or it may also be in the word "formless" which may also imply that too and this debate may or may not matter depending on whether or not this affects how we look at demons and angels and bad angels and Satan and the world and the age of the world and to whether God created everything in six literal 24-hour days or not and in many other things but mostly in how we may or may not look at the very concepts and attributes and character and love and grace and justice and all to who our Lord God really is to how He saves to how He creates and maintains or destroys to how He loves and to whether or not He may or may not choose to kill us or not like He may or may not did to those demons in the gap theory or to other giants before the flood or to the dinosaurs or to Goliath or giants or things after the flood or to the flood it self, right, please let me know what and how you believe in regards to this, please and thanks?

[chrysostom]

first we need to know
if
this is important

[JoeyArnold]

Originally Posted by chrysostom

first we need to know if this is important.

Do you not read what I write?
You would know why it was important had you read what I wrote.

[Squeaky]

Nothing is important before Jesus.

ABOUT THE OLD TESTAMENT
FROM THE NEW TESTAMENT
Heb 8:13
13 In that He says, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
2 Cor 3:14-15
14 But their minds were blinded. For until this day the same veil remains unlifted in the reading of the Old Testament, because the veil is taken away in Christ.
15 But even to this day, when Moses is read, a veil lies on their heart.
Gal 2:21
21 "I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain."
John 10:8-9
8 "All who ever came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them.
9 "I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture.
1 Cor 10:1-12
1 Moreover, brethren, I do not want you to be unaware that all our fathers were under the cloud, all passed through the sea,
2 all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea,
3 all ate the same spiritual food,
4 and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ.
5 But with most of them God was not well pleased, for their bodies were scattered in the wilderness.
6 Now these things became our examples, to the intent that we should not lust after evil things as they also lusted.
7 And do not become idolaters as were some of them. As it is written, "The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play."
8 Nor let us commit sexual immorality, as some of them did, and in one day twenty-three thousand fell;
9 nor let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed by serpents;
10 nor complain, as some of them also complained, and were destroyed by the destroyer.
11 Now all these things happened to them as examples, and they were written for our admonition, on whom the ends of the ages have come.
12 Therefore let him who thinks he stands take heed lest he fall.
Rom 13:8
8 Owe no one anything except to love one another, for he who loves another has fulfilled the law.
John 6:63
63 "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.
John 4:23-24
23 "But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him.
24 "God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth."
John 17:17
17 "Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth.
John 3:34
34 "For He whom God has sent speaks the words of God, for God does not give the Spirit by measure.
John 3:33
33 "He who has received His testimony has certified that God is true.
John 3:35-36
35 "The Father loves the Son, and has given all things into His hand.
36 "He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him."
Rom 8:1-2
1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death.
Rom 8:3-8
3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh,
4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be.
8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
John 14:26
26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
Gal 2:19-21
19 "For I through the law died to the law that I might live to God.
20 "I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.
21 "I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain."
Gal 3:24-25
24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.
Gal 5:1-5
1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage.
2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing.
3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law.
4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.
5 For we through the Spirit eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
Gal 4:21
21 Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law?
Rom 7:4-6
4 Therefore, my brethren, you also have become dead to the law through the body of Christ, that you may be married to another-- to Him who was raised from the dead, that we should bear fruit to God.
5 For when we were in the flesh, the sinful passions which were aroused by the law were at work in our members to bear fruit to death.
6 But now we have been delivered from the law, having died to what we were held by, so that we should serve in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter.
Rom 13:10
10 Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
1 Pet 2:19-21
19 For this is commendable, if because of conscience toward God one endures grief, suffering wrongfully.
20 For what credit is it if, when you are beaten for your faults, you take it patiently? But when you do good and suffer, if you take it patiently, this is commendable before God.
21 For to this you were called, because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps:
II Jn 1:9-11
9 Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son.
10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him;
11 for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds.
John 1:17
17 For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
(NKJ)
xxx Jesus wants everyone who is going to be a christian to understand that the new covenant(testament) is just that new. That you cant go back and keep any part of the old testament that Jesus hasnt brought over to the new testament. Jesus new what to bring over man doesnt. But the old testament has to be obsolete to you in order for you to get the fullness of the new testament. 11John 1-9 is very specific if you dont abide(live) in the new testament you dont have the real God. There IS a veil over the old testament that remains to THIS day.
If Jesus were in the old testament this verse could only be meant for God and the angels.
John 10:8-9
8 "All who ever came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them.
9 "I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture.


Col 2:13-14
13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses,
14 having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.
(NKJ)

Acts 15:24-29
24 Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, 'You must be circumcised and keep the law'-- to whom we gave no such commandment--
25 it seemed good to us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,
26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
27 We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who will also report the same things by word of mouth.
28 For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things:
29 that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell.
(NKJ)

[taikoo]

Originally Posted by JoeyArnold

The Gap Theory is said to occur between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2 and the key factors may or may not just be in the word "was" which may just describe a transformation from something that had formed or it may also be in the word "formless" which may also imply that too and this debate may or may not matter depending on whether or not this affects how we look at demons and angels and bad angels and Satan and the world and the age of the world and to whether God created everything in six literal 24-hour days or not and in many other things but mostly in how we may or may not look at the very concepts and attributes and character and love and grace and justice and all to who our Lord God really is to how He saves to how He creates and maintains or destroys to how He loves and to whether or not He may or may not choose to kill us or not like He may or may not did to those demons in the gap theory or to other giants before the flood or to the dinosaurs or to Goliath or giants or things after the flood or to the flood it self, right, please let me know what and how you believe in regards to this, please and thanks?

Punctuation is really nice, please try it.

[JoeyArnold]

Originally Posted by taikoo

Punctuation is really nice, please try it.

Apostle Paul wrote run-on sentences, too.

[glassjester]

Originally Posted by JoeyArnold

Apostle Paul wrote run-on sentences, too.

No he didn't. He dictated his letters. His scribe just screwed up.

[JoeyArnold]

Originally Posted by glassjester

No he didn't. He dictated his letters. His scribe just screwed up.

Paul wrote in long-extended letters, or Paul talked in a hurry while his scribes copied pasted what Paul was saying because periods slow things down but when you are in a hurry or when you are excited about things and you are running and excited about sharing your inspired words from God to the world then you run into run-on sentences because that is what you are running on and grammar is a bit different in Hebrew or Aramaic or Greek but being excited is still universally understood and sometimes you have to break all the rules of grammar in order to do the work of God even as I do or even as Apostle Paul does.

[Desert Reign]

Originally Posted by JoeyArnold

The Gap Theory is said to occur between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2 and the key factors may or may not just be in the word "was" which may just describe a transformation from something that had formed or it may also be in the word "formless" which may also imply that too and this debate may or may not matter depending on whether or not this affects how we look at demons and angels and bad angels and Satan and the world and the age of the world and to whether God created everything in six literal 24-hour days or not and in many other things but mostly in how we may or may not look at the very concepts and attributes and character and love and grace and justice and all to who our Lord God really is to how He saves to how He creates and maintains or destroys to how He loves and to whether or not He may or may not choose to kill us or not like He may or may not did to those demons in the gap theory or to other giants before the flood or to the dinosaurs or to Goliath or giants or things after the flood or to the flood it self, right, please let me know what and how you believe in regards to this, please and thanks?

The gap theory is another failed attempt to make sense of the early chapters of Genesis when reading them as a historical account. Another failed attempt to run away from the obvious: this is a theological account, not a historical one.

The theological meaning of Genesis 1 can be clearly discerned from its literary structure. The theological meanings of Genesis 2 - 9 can be fairly easily gleaned by looking at the allegorical motifs.

I'm not suggesting these passages are simple.

I'm not a rampant liberal.

I'm just trying to make the best sense of the text.

[Dena]

Originally Posted by Desert Reign

Another failed attempt to run away from the obvious: this is a theological account, not a historical one.

I agree.

[JoeyArnold]

Originally Posted by Dena

I agree.

I disagree. It's both.

[JoeyArnold]

Originally Posted by Desert Reign

The gap theory is another failed attempt to make sense of the early chapters of Genesis when reading them as a historical account. Another failed attempt to run away from the obvious: this is a theological account, not a historical one.

The theological meaning of Genesis 1 can be clearly discerned from its literary structure. The theological meanings of Genesis 2 - 9 can be fairly easily gleaned by looking at the allegorical motifs.

I'm not suggesting these passages are simple.

I'm not a rampant liberal.

I'm just trying to make the best sense of the text.

Was creation created in six literal 24-hour long days?

[genuineoriginal]

Originally Posted by JoeyArnold

Was creation created in six literal 24-hour long days?

It was created in six literal days, but there is no way to tell if the days were 24 hours or 26 hours at that time.
Biblical accounts suggest that the year was only 360 days long at one time, so the number of hours in a day may have been 24 hours + or - 10%.
It is highly likely that the number of hours in a day were changed by the cataclysmic event that caused the deluge.

[Nick M]

Six days means six days. Exodus 20.

It doesn't take millions of years to make fossils, crude oil, petrified wood, etc. In fact, James Butler Hicock, aka Wild Bill, was moved from his grave as was everybody to a permanent home in South Dakota. He was petrified. If I remember right.

[SovereigntyIsGods]

Originally Posted by Nick M

Six days means six days. Exodus 20.

It doesn't take millions of years to make fossils, crude oil, petrified wood, etc. In fact, James Butler Hicock, aka Wild Bill, was moved from his grave as was everybody to a permanent home in South Dakota. He was petrified. If I remember right.

Amen