[beloved57]

2 Tim 3:15-16

16All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

17That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

As we read and study the scriptures, God has been pleased at times to give us certain light and understanding on a particular portion of scripture; and as we feel the desire to testify to that Truth, it at times is difficult in placing it in any given Thread. So I would like to introduce a thread that is designed for varied Truth's of scripture, not really given to any certain subject, but yet its Truth the same.

The first scripture passage i will begin with is 2 Tim 1:9-10

9Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

10But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

What death is abolished, and what light and immortality is brought to light via the Gospel ?

Now in a real sense Christ hath abolished even physical death, but that only to be the last enemy to be manifested as destroyed at His Second Coming, when it will be declared 1 Cor 15:54-55,51-52

54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

And at His coming, some Saints will have never tasted of physical death, which will indicate the abolishment of death physically vs

51Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

But yet, even in this present life Christ by His death hath for the elect of God, hath abolished spiritual death, which by nature they are born dead in trespasses and sins Eph 2:1,5

1And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

5Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved )

This being dead, is a death that Christ hath abolished. The word abolished is the greek word katargeō and means:


to render idle, unemployed, inactivate, inoperative

a) to cause a person or thing to have no further efficiency

b) to deprive of force, influence, power

2) to cause to cease, put an end to, do away with, annul, abolish

a) to cease, to pass away, be done away

b) to be severed from, separated from, discharged from, loosed from any one

c) to terminate all intercourse with one

Yes, for those whom Christ died and abolished death for, He for them causes spiritual death to cease, He puts an end to it, He annuls or abolishes it. Now How does He do that ?

[beloved57]

2 Tim 1:9-10

9Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

10But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

Now because Christ hath abolished death in regards to God's Chosen, They must now as a consequence of what Christ hath done, they must be quickened from the dead and made alive, given Life !

Eph 2:1,5

1And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

Now in the original the word quickened is not present, so it would be emphasizing, and you being dead in your trespasses and sins. Thats the effects of the sin in Adam, but now lets look at vs 5

5Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved )

This time Paul adds the words Hath quickened. This is the word suzoopoieo which means:

to make one alive together , to cause to live, make alive, give life

by spiritual power to arouse and invigorate to produce alive, begat or bear living young


They are actually made alive together with Christ at the same time He was made alive from the dead, via His resurrection !

A companion scripture would be 1 Pet 1:3

3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

Those Christ died for, He hath abolished death for them, and gives them Spiritual and Immortal Life, His Life !

[beloved57]

2 Tim 1:9-10

9Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

10But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

The evidence that Christ has abolished death, that is spiritual death for all whom He died, and has given them Spiritual Life, it is then Christ sends His Gospel Preachers with the Gospel to them that have this Spiritual Life Rom 10:14-15

14How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

15And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

The Preacher is sent by God to those who will Hear. Remember Paul says this Acts 28:28

Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it.

They will hear it because through Spiritual Life being given to them already, their spiritual death having been abolished by Christ, they have ears to Hear the Gospel of their salvation sent to them.

And their believing, their Repentance from dead works gives brings immortality and life to Light. The word light is the greek word phōtizō and it means:


to bring to light, render evident

a) to cause something to exist and thus come to light and become clear to all

So the Faith and Repentance of a Hearer of the Gospel that was sent to them, gives evidence of them having Eternal life..

So Jesus says Jn 5:24

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

Their hearing and believing gives evidence of #1 They have been passed from death unto life [ Because Christ hath abolished their spiritual death 2 Tim 1:10] and #2 That they have Immortal of everlasting Life..

[Desert Reign]

Miscellaneous and Varied Truth's of scripture!

If someone cannot form the plural of a simple word correctly and pays no attention to basic rules of communication, how can I trust anything more complicated or profound that he might have to say?

[beloved57]

Acts 20:21


20And how I kept back nothing that was profitable unto you, but have shewed you, and have taught you publicly, and from house to house,

21Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.

Repentance towards God and Faith towards The Lord Jesus Christ are New Covenant commands, given to those who have been given a New Heart and New Spirit Ezk 36:26-27

26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

It is God the Holy Spirit who speaks the command within the New Heart, and it results in a New Gospel obedience, for the command is just as sure to produce the desired result of obedience as God's command of " Let there be Light "

The obedience do God's commands in the Covenant are sure and promised in vs 27 God will cause them to walk in His Statues, that is walk by Faith and they shall keep my Judgments and do them. Thats Repentance and Loving the brethren.

Here are New Covenant Commands 1 Jn 3:32

23And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

They shall do !

[beloved57]

Covenant Blessings to those Christ died for are Faith and Love. Notice Paul's Testimony as one that testifies that Christ died for him Gal 2:20

20I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Now he also wrote that the Grace of God was abundant toward him with Faith and Love which are in Christ Jesus our Lord. 1 Tim 1:12-14

12And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry;

13Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.

14And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus. [ See Rom 5:20]

You see Faith in God,in Christ Jesus, and Love to God and Christ Jesus, and other believers are bestowed upon or given to each elect vessel of mercy.

This Love to God [vs 14] was Promised as a Covenant Blessing to the Covenant People of God centuries before Deut 30:6

And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.

This Promise to circumcise the hearts of the Covenant People and their seed, has been fulfilled in The New Covenant in Christ's blood. Matt 26:28

28For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

All the Promises of God, even this one to circumcise the heart to Love the LORD thy God, find their amen in Christ 2 Cor 1:20

20For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.

Now, A Heart to Love God and Christ and to believe in God and Christ[See Rom 10:9] is to the Glory of God..and they flow to God's elect from the Covenant..

[beloved57]

Faith is promised as a result of the death of Christ, that is, to look [in faith] to Him whom they have pierced Zech 12:10


10And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

Notice that it is stated that I will pour out the Spirit of Grace upon the House of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem, for these are spiritual and typical designations for the tabernacle of David, and The Church and includes the gentiles Acts 15:16-17

16After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:

17That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.

Hosea 3:5

5Afterward shall the children of Israel return, and seek the LORD their God, and David their king; and shall fear the LORD and his goodness in the latter days.

The gentiles upon whom My Name is Called, that is, they are in Covenant with Him. It can also read, that Israel by which my Name is Called The Israel of God Gal 6:16

So Faith and Love are in The Covenant Head and Surety of the Elect Christ Jesus, those who were given Grace in Him before the world began.

[beloved57]

Rom 4:13

For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

The Righteousness which is of Faith Rom 9:30

What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.

Before I say what this is, The Righteousness of Faith, let me say what it's not, but what most deceived souls believe it is !

It is not as the arminian and free-willer's claim a condition for one's Justification or Salvation !

Its not a choice or decision of the natural mind or understanding of man. If that were True, Paul would be wrong about his statement here 2 Thess 3:2

And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith.

For it is the Gift of God Eph 2:8; Phil 1:29 and given to God's Elect Titus 1:1 and Christ Sheep Jn 10:26

Its not an spiritual act of ones performance in order to be Justified !

The Righteousness of Faith, is a God wrought Faith, which enables one to apprehend [to grasp the meaning of; understand, especially intuitively perceive] and embraces the imputed Righteousness of Christ, which has been freely laid or charged to their account.

Thats the meaning here Phil 3:9

And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

In other words, God given Faith lets us in on the fact that Christ has been made our Righteousness before God 1 Cor 1:30


30But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

Rom 10:6

But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above )

Faith is not a part of the Righteousness in which one is Justified before God, any more than ones mouth is a part of the food which nourishes the body. Faith is God's Gift [ Eph 2:8] It is the Fruit of the Spirit which is God's Gift [Acts 2:38] whereby they see, feed upon and Glory in Christ as He is revealed to them and in them. Faith is not a work performed by us in order to be Justified; but its a work of God in us by which we apprehend our Justification Jn 6:29

29Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

The reason why its God's work in us to Believe on Him is because God hath made Him our Righteousness 1 Cor 1:30

30But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

So this is What the Righteousness of Faith means !

[beloved57]

Isa 53:10

10Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.

And the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in His Hand, meaning Christ's Hand. This is speaking of the Salvation of everyone He was sent to seek and to save Lk 19:10

10For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.

He came to save all for whom the LORD God wills to be saved and come into the knowledge of the Truth 1 Tim 2:3-4

3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;

4Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

The word pleasure here in Isa 53:10 is the hebrew word chephets and means:

delight, pleasure

a) delight

b) desire, longing

c) the good pleasure

d) that in which one takes delight

Now the word for will in 1 Tim 2:4 is the greek word thelō and means:


to will, have in mind, intend

a) to be resolved or determined, to purpose

b) to desire, to wish

So this should be easy to figure out. If its God's will or desire for all men to be saved and to come into a knowledge of the Truth, and scripture says that the pleasure or desire of the LORD shall prosper in His [ Christ whom He sent] then the LORD shall see His desire accomplished, for He entrusted it into the Hands of His Son, and scripture says that He shall prosper ! What does the word prosper mean ? Its the hebrew word tsalach and means:

to advance, prosper, make progress, succeed, be profitable

Its also translated effected as in 2 Chron 7:11

11Thus Solomon finished the house of the LORD, and the king's house: and all that came into Solomon's heart to make in the house of the LORD, and in his own house, he prosperously effected.


So all those God the Father wants to be saved and come into the knowledge of the Truth, Christ His Son effected it, He succeeded in accomplishing that, else, The Pleasure of the LORD did not prosper in His Hand.

If one soul perishes and is lost, then Isa 53:10, stating that the pleasure of the LORD prospered in His Hand is a lie !

[john w]

Originally Posted by beloved57

2 Tim 3:15-16

16All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

17That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

As we read and study the scriptures, God has been pleased at times to give us certain light and understanding on a particular portion of scripture; and as we feel the desire to testify to that Truth, it at times is difficult in placing it in any given Thread. So I would like to introduce a thread that is designed for varied Truth's of scripture, not really given to any certain subject, but yet its Truth the same.

The first scripture passage i will begin with is 2 Tim 1:9-10

9Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

10But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

What death is abolished, and what light and immortality is brought to light via the Gospel ?

Now in a real sense Christ hath abolished even physical death, but that only to be the last enemy to be manifested as destroyed at His Second Coming, when it will be declared 1 Cor 15:54-55,51-52

54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

And at His coming, some Saints will have never tasted of physical death, which will indicate the abolishment of death physically vs

51Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

But yet, even in this present life Christ by His death hath for the elect of God, hath abolished spiritual death, which by nature they are born dead in trespasses and sins Eph 2:1,5

1And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

5Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved )

This being dead, is a death that Christ hath abolished. The word abolished is the greek word katargeō and means:


to render idle, unemployed, inactivate, inoperative

a) to cause a person or thing to have no further efficiency

b) to deprive of force, influence, power

2) to cause to cease, put an end to, do away with, annul, abolish

a) to cease, to pass away, be done away

b) to be severed from, separated from, discharged from, loosed from any one

c) to terminate all intercourse with one

Yes, for those whom Christ died and abolished death for, He for them causes spiritual death to cease, He puts an end to it, He annuls or abolishes it. Now How does He do that ?

Are you directing this "thread"to the elect, or the "non elect?"

[beloved57]

Originally Posted by john w

Are you directing this "thread"to the elect, or the "non elect?"

Both ! So now do you understand what the post you quoted is saying ?

[beloved57]

Believing is an act of man, there simply is no denying it ! Now lets define an Act !

The Dictionary says:

As Noun

anything done, being done, or to be done; deed; performance: a heroic act.

the process of doing

As verb

to do something; exert energy or force; be employed or operative:

to operate or function in a particular way; perform specific duties or functions

to produce an effect; perform a function

to behave or conduct oneself in a particular fashion

Now lets Look at the definition of work of Eph 2:9

business, employment, that which any one is occupied

a) that which one undertakes to do, enterprise, undertaking

2) any product whatever, any thing accomplished by hand, art, industry, or mind

3) an act, deed, thing done: the idea of working is emphasised in opp. to that which is less than work

Now, an act is a work, that cannot be denied given these definitions. Believing is something man does. Even Paul's answer to the question of the Jailor proves that. He asked Acts 16:30,31

30And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?

Paul replied with an imperative ! vs 31

Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

So Now, If anyone teaches or believes that they are saved from their sins because they believed, then they are claiming Salvation by their works, something they acted, they done. Such thinking is opposed to Salvation by Grace through Faith and not of works lest a man has cause to boast..

[john w]

I know you do not understand.

[beloved57]

Through the sin of the Church's or Elect first parents, their Natural Federal head, Adam and Eve, God had contrived a means whereby the seed of the serpent Gen 3:14-15 would enter into this world, to be that persecuting force and that enmity against the seed of the Woman [Christ and the Church], which was quite early with cain's persecution of Abel. Jesus refers to that as the seed of the serpent's first martyrdom Matt 23:31-35

31Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.

32Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.

33Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

34Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:

35That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

So those jews Jesus was speaking to were the sons of cain, who murdered Abel vs 35, who was a Prophet, whose Faith witnessed to the Lamb slain from the foundation, and cain the brother of Abel was out of that wicked one [the serpent's seed] 1 Jn 3:12

12Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.

Jesus uses that term wicked one here as well Matt 13:19,38

When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.

The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

They enter the world through normal and natural childbirth as the elect do !

[beloved57]

Rom 10:9-10

9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

This passage here is not Paul setting forth any conditions man must meet in order to get saved, but merely is he declaring a certain fact, those who receive the Testimony of the Gospel, in this context the jews, shall be saved, in other words, their receiving the Testimony of the Gospel identifies them as those being saved by Christ's Death for them !

1 Cor 1:18

For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

The word saved here is in the present tense, and it is passive voice, those who are being saved or converted by the Preaching of the Cross ! And that is what Paul says that evidences this conversion work in those activities of Rom 10:9-10 , for both Believing and Confessing are evidences of Conversion taking Place by the Power of God, the Gospel Rom 1:16

16For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

believeth here is also in the present tense, meaning believing, they are believing because they are being saved or converted by the Preaching !

Those who use Rom 10:9-10 in order to set forth a Conditonal Salvation, that is getting saved is contingent upon man's obedience or man's believing and confessing, they are guilty of perverting scripture and promoting a accursed gospel of works ! Gal 1:8-9