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"Father, not my will, But THY Will Be Done".......
Father Help! and HE does.......
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The "I" Must Die! -
December 30th, 2011, 09:43 AM
In as much as i can 'see',
That which is of the "I(ego,id,self,pride)" in me,
So it is i yearn, and to Our Father cry,
For deliverance from all that is of the "I".
The "I", born of "imag"ination and selfish desire,
As lust, greed, and pride, stoked a consuming fire!
A fire burning out of control, as "I" leads the way,
It's smoke concealing the fleshly mind that leads one astray.
Yet even in the smoke, searing heat, and blindness of 'sight',
Truth can pierce the blackness of darkness, revealing "The Light"!
And nothing can hide from "The Light", so "Light" reveals the "I",
Allowing one to "see" clearly, and clearly the "I" must die.
But to live, yet die, seems an impossible task,
And so we need of "Our Father", the impossible to ask.
Help me to "deny myself(die to "I",ego,id,self,pride)" Father!
And as HE Helps, HE reveals more and more of "The Selfless One".
The One who testified, "I can do nothing of Mine own self"!
The One Who leads His brethren on "The Way to The Truth of The Life".
The One Who was and is The Messiah, The Son of The One and Only True GOD, Father(Creator) of ALL!
The Messiah, "The Light of the world"!
And as The Messiah desired above all else, so also will His brethren desire above all else, "Father, not my("I") will, But THY Will Be Done".......
The poem i have recorded above was begun in Creel, Chih, Mexico in '92, a time when i sought to live and experience a simple and spiritual life. Left Mexico in '93, yet returned in '04.
Then on 1/26/05 the poem was completed, and 'completion' is near for each and every one of us.
And for "the poor and needy" son's of GOD, thankfully so.
For "I" can't!
"Our Father", HE CAN!
And soon and very soon, translated!
"Corruptible to incorruptible" indeed and Truth.......
Home, Home at last.......
Forever free from the "I(ego,id,self,pride)".......
All Thanks and Praise Be Unto "Our Father".......
And while there is breath(spirit) there is hope many will "see",
"see" the "I" for what it is, and then desire to be set free!
And that Spirit that was in The Messiah can "set you free, free indeed"!
So, There Is Hope!
For Miracles do happen.......
Hope is there would be those who experience The Miracle that is receiving "a love of The Truth" for they will "see" The Light that is The Messiah, which clearly reveals that The Life is of The Spirit(not seen with the natural eye), and most certainly not of the flesh or fleshly mind("I",ego,id,self,pride).......
Peace, in spite of the dis-ease(darkness) that is of this world and it's systems of religion, for "the WHOLE(not just a portion) world is under the control of the evil one" indeed and Truth.......(1John5:19)
(Returned to this place called the u.s. of a. in June of '05, yet a return to the simplicity that is rural Mexico would be welcomed. Yet i realize that in all things it must be "Father(Creator) not my will, But THY Will Be Done"!)
Slogan/motto:
"Father, not my will, But THY Will Be Done".......
Father Help! and HE does.......
Reputation:
The Messiah, "A Servant of, and sent by The ONE and ONLY TRUE GOD"!g -
December 30th, 2011, 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by OMEGA
God gave us a body and a world in which we would have to struggle to exist.
But God Exists forever.
In struggling, we experience the hardships of life and are forced to make decisions.
God makes decisions and controls his thoughs and actions for good.
We are learning to do this on this old dead Star on which we live.
God has strong character.
We must develop that character and qualify for a position in God's Government.
"Tried liken unto gold in the fire", tempted as Eve who succumbed to the "lust of her eyes, the lust of her flesh, and the pride of her (self,I") life", "suffering the loss of all things" yet rejoicing in The Truth that such was to be, "cast down, yet not destroyed" while seeking to "endure unto the end", for finally come that last breath, Home, Home with The Family of "Our Father and GOD" at last!
As for "developing that character"?
The children of "Our Father and GOD" seek and desire HIM to work in them "HIS Will and GOOD Pleasure".......
For they realize, liken unto The Messiah(John5:19), that "of their own selves they can do nothing"!
So it is that The "I(ego,id,self,pride)" Must Die for one to be of the WE that is The Family of "Our Father and GOD"!
Slogan/motto:
"Father, not my will, But THY Will Be Done".......
Father Help! and HE does.......
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December 30th, 2011, 06:17 PM
Simply sad for all yet bound in the chains of strong delusion that is but pagan catholic/christian folklore! xmas once again revealed religion's way ;-(
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DYNAMIC: God is active, plural, and caring in nature. FREE: God's future is open for freedom of action. THEISM: God is infinite, personal being; rational and moral
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December 30th, 2011, 07:22 PM
Biblically speaking, we die to "sin", not to "self". Self denial is not the samething as the self dying. Dying to self is Eastern mysticism and inconsistent with Biblical spirituality.
--Dave
www.dynamicfreetheism.com
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The only view that proves the existence and explains
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Slogan/motto:
"Father, not my will, But THY Will Be Done".......
Father Help! and HE does.......
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The Messiah, "A Servant of, and sent by The ONE and ONLY TRUE GOD"! -
December 30th, 2011, 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by DFT_Dave
Biblically speaking, we die to "sin", not to "self". Self denial is not the samething as the self dying. Dying to self is Eastern mysticism and inconsistent with Biblical spirituality.
--Dave
Simply, sad for you ;-(
Mat 16, Mark 8, Luke 9
And The Messiah said unto them, "If any man would come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow Me.
For whoever will seek to save his life shall lose it, but whoever will lose his life for My sake, the same shall save it.
For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?
Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?
Therefore whoever shall be ashamed of Me and of My Words in this adulterous and sinful generation, of him also shall The Son of man be ashamed, when He comes in The Glory of His Father with the holy angels.
And I tell you of a Truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see The Kingdom of GOD come with Power!"
And "THY Kingdom" DID "Come" when the earthly, natural, temporal realm centered in jerusalem was destroyed!
So it is that the brethren of The Messiah are but "aliens and pilgrims while on the earth" for they realize that their "citizenship(Life) is in Heaven" and that soon, and very soon, they will be taken Home, Home at last.......
Slogan/motto:
DYNAMIC: God is active, plural, and caring in nature. FREE: God's future is open for freedom of action. THEISM: God is infinite, personal being; rational and moral
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December 30th, 2011, 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by derowr
Simply, sad for you ;-(
Mat 16, Mark 8, Luke 9
And The Messiah said unto them, "If any man would come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow Me.
For whoever will seek to save his life shall lose it, but whoever will lose his life for My sake, the same shall save it.
For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?
Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?
Therefore whoever shall be ashamed of Me and of My Words in this adulterous and sinful generation, of him also shall The Son of man be ashamed, when He comes in The Glory of His Father with the holy angels.
And I tell you of a Truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see The Kingdom of GOD come with Power!"
And "THY Kingdom" DID "Come" when the earthly, natural, temporal realm centered in jerusalem was destroyed!
So it is that the brethren of The Messiah are but "aliens and pilgrims while on the earth" for they realize that their "citizenship(Life) is in Heaven" and that soon, and very soon, they will be taken Home, Home at last.......
I agree with this post. You simply have not addressed the meaning of "self denial" as distinct from "self dying".
If the "soul" is the self, then we are to keep from losing it in a hell that will destroy it. We are never told in scripture to "die to self" or soul, but we are told to "die to sin" and "deny self/soul" the pleasures of sin.
--Dave
www.dynamicfreetheism.com
The only view of ultimate reality that provides
rational answers to the questions of human origin, destiny, and dignity.
The only view that proves the existence and explains
the nature of God.
Slogan/motto:
"Father, not my will, But THY Will Be Done".......
Father Help! and HE does.......
Reputation:
December 30th, 2011, 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by DFT_Dave
I agree with this post. You simply have not addressed the meaning of "self denial" as distinct from "self dying".
If the "soul" is the self, then we are to keep from losing it in a hell that will destroy it. We are never told in scripture to "die to self" or soul, but we are told to "die to sin" and "deny self/soul" the pleasures of sin.
--Dave
Seems the eye of your understanding is clouded at best ;-(
Yet so it is with those who are yet in and of this wicked, evil world ;-(
Yet to live yet die seems an impossible task,
And so the need of Our Father to ask,
Help me to "deny myself(die to "I",ego,id,self,pride)" Father!
No longer "I" but The Spirit within me.......
Father Help! and HE does.......
....'religion' is anti-messiah....
"Come Out of her MY people!"
..For The Faithful ARE Family..
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"Love separates for the sake of union." - Rumi
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December 30th, 2011, 08:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DFT_Dave
Biblically speaking, we die to "sin", not to "self". Self denial is not the samething as the self dying. Dying to self is Eastern mysticism and inconsistent with Biblical spirituality.
"I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me." Galatians 2:20
"The concepts which now prove to be fundamental to our understanding of nature...seem to my mind to be structures of pure thought...the unvierse begins to look more like a great thought than a great machine." - Sir James Jeans
Slogan/motto:
"Father, not my will, But THY Will Be Done".......
Father Help! and HE does.......
Reputation:
The Messiah, "A Servant of, and sent by The ONE and ONLY TRUE GOD"! -
December 30th, 2011, 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Damian
"I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me." Galatians 2:20
It is so, Let it be so.......
Father Help! and HE does.......
....'religion' is anti-messiah....
"Come Out of her MY people!"
..For The Faithful ARE Family..
Slogan/motto:
DYNAMIC: God is active, plural, and caring in nature. FREE: God's future is open for freedom of action. THEISM: God is infinite, personal being; rational and moral
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December 30th, 2011, 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Damian
"I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me." Galatians 2:20
This is in relationship to Christ. We did not hang on a cross as did Christ. In Christ I died to sin, not to myself. I live, "yet not I" means "I am not alone", Christ lives in me; not I died and now I am Christ--I am God, which is Eastern mysticism.
--Dave
www.dynamicfreetheism.com
The only view of ultimate reality that provides
rational answers to the questions of human origin, destiny, and dignity.
The only view that proves the existence and explains
the nature of God.
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