[Untellectual]

Recently someone here on TOL posted some verse references, starting with a passage in Jeremiah that uses the word "visit" in it.

Then also Jesus said what he said in the gospel of Luke.

And then there was the destruction in 70AD.

So my impression was that this person was saying Jeremiah was speaking of this destruction. But I was thinking, in looking into it "just a bit", that since Jeremiah lived in Judah before the exile to Babylon, that in all likelihood this is what he was speaking about.

I'd like to look into this more to see if I am correct.

Luke 19:44 And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.

[Untellectual]

Jeremiah 8:12 Were they ashamed when they had committed abomination? nay, they were not at all ashamed, neither could they blush: therefore shall they fall among them that fall: in the time of their visitation they shall be cast down, saith the LORD.

Jeremiah 10:15 They [are] vanity, [and] the work of errors: in the time of their visitation they shall perish.

Jeremiah 46:21 Also her hired men [are] in the midst of her like fatted bullocks; for they also are turned back, [and] are fled away together: they did not stand, because the day of their calamity was come upon them, [and] the time of their visitation.

Jeremiah 50:27 Slay all her bullocks; let them go down to the slaughter: woe unto them! for their day is come, the time of their visitation.

Jeremiah 51:18 They [are] vanity, the work of errors: in the time of their visitation they shall perish.

[Untellectual]

Jeremiah 3:16 And it shall come to pass, when ye be multiplied and increased in the land, in those days, saith the LORD, they shall say no more, The ark of the covenant of the LORD: neither shall it come to mind: neither shall they remember it; neither shall they visit [it]; neither shall [that] be done any more.

Jeremiah 5:9 Shall I not visit for these [things]? saith the LORD: and shall not my soul be avenged on such a nation as this?

Jeremiah 5:29 Shall I not visit for these [things]? saith the LORD: shall not my soul be avenged on such a nation as this?

Jeremiah 6:15 Were they ashamed when they had committed abomination? nay, they were not at all ashamed, neither could they blush: therefore they shall fall among them that fall: at the time [that] I visit them they shall be cast down, saith the LORD.

Jeremiah 9:9 Shall I not visit them for these [things]? saith the LORD: shall not my soul be avenged on such a nation as this?

Jeremiah 14:10 Thus saith the LORD unto this people, Thus have they loved to wander, they have not refrained their feet, therefore the LORD doth not accept them; he will now remember their iniquity, and visit their sins.

Jeremiah 15:15 O LORD, thou knowest: remember me, and visit me, and revenge me of my persecutors; take me not away in thy longsuffering: know that for thy sake I have suffered rebuke.

Jeremiah 23:2 Therefore thus saith the LORD God of Israel against the pastors that feed my people; Ye have scattered my flock, and driven them away, and have not visited them: behold, I will visit upon you the evil of your doings, saith the LORD.

Jeremiah 27:22 They shall be carried to Babylon, and there shall they be until the day that I visit them, saith the LORD; then will I bring them up, and restore them to this place.

Jeremiah 29:10 For thus saith the LORD, That after seventy years be accomplished at Babylon I will visit you, and perform my good word toward you, in causing you to return to this place.

Jeremiah 32:5 And he shall lead Zedekiah to Babylon, and there shall he be until I visit him, saith the LORD: though ye fight with the Chaldeans, ye shall not prosper.

Jeremiah 49:8 Flee ye, turn back, dwell deep, O inhabitants of Dedan; for I will bring the calamity of Esau upon him, the time [that] I will visit him.

Jeremiah 50:31 Behold, I [am] against thee, [O thou] most proud, saith the Lord GOD of hosts: for thy day is come, the time [that] I will visit thee.

Lamentations 4:22 The punishment of thine iniquity is accomplished, O daughter of Zion; he will no more carry thee away into captivity: he will visit thine iniquity, O daughter of Edom; he will discover thy sins.

[Untellectual]

Isaiah 10:3 And what will ye do in the day of visitation, and in the desolation [which] shall come from far? to whom will ye flee for help? and where will ye leave your glory?

Jeremiah 11:23 And there shall be no remnant of them: for I will bring evil upon the men of Anathoth, [even] the year of their visitation.

Jeremiah 23:12 Wherefore their way shall be unto them as slippery [ways] in the darkness: they shall be driven on, and fall therein: for I will bring evil upon them, [even] the year of their visitation, saith the LORD.

Jeremiah 48:44 He that fleeth from the fear shall fall into the pit; and he that getteth up out of the pit shall be taken in the snare: for I will bring upon it, [even] upon Moab, the year of their visitation, saith the LORD.

[Untellectual]

Was Jeremiah speaking of Judah in the time of their defeat and exile to Babylon, or after their return culminating in the destruction in 70AD?

[genuineoriginal]

Originally Posted by Untellectual

Was Jeremiah speaking of Judah in the time of their defeat and exile to Babylon, or after their return culminating in the destruction in 70AD?

Sodom and Gomorrah also had a time of visitation.

Genesis 18:20-21 20And the LORD said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous; 21I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know.

The children of Israel had a time of visitation while in Egypt that did not result in their destruction.

Exodus 3:16 Go, and gather the elders of Israel together, and say unto them, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, of Isaac, and of Jacob, appeared unto me, saying, I have surely visited you, and seen that which is done to you in Egypt:

[Untellectual]

Originally Posted by genuineoriginal

Sodom and Gomorrah also had a time of visitation.




The children of Israel had a time of visitation while in Egypt that did not result in their destruction.

I was thinking as I was reading the verses I provided above, does visitation have to do with God's judgment or God's love for His people?

I came across this verse:

Jeremiah 50:31 Behold, I [am] against thee, [O thou] most proud, saith the Lord GOD of hosts: for thy day is come, the time [that] I will visit thee.

So it can mean judgment, from my vantage point.

[genuineoriginal]

Originally Posted by Untellectual

I was thinking as I was reading the verses I provided above, does visitation have to do with God's judgment or God's love for His people?

I came across this verse:

Jeremiah 50:31 Behold, I [am] against thee, [O thou] most proud, saith the Lord GOD of hosts: for thy day is come, the time [that] I will visit thee.

So it can mean judgment, from my vantage point.

It can mean judgment, true.

Exodus 32:34 Therefore now go, lead the people unto the place of which I have spoken unto thee: behold, mine Angel shall go before thee: nevertheless in the day when I visit I will visit their sin upon them.

Can it also mean something else?

Psalm 106:4 Remember me, O LORD, with the favour that thou bearest unto thy people: O visit me with thy salvation;

Jeremiah 29:10 For thus saith the LORD, That after seventy years be accomplished at Babylon I will visit you, and perform my good word toward you, in causing you to return to this place.

[Untellectual]

Originally Posted by genuineoriginal

It can mean judgment, true.



Can it also mean something else?

Thanks. It can mean something else, I was thinking, but I didn't have a particular verse partly because the question in my mind was if visitation means judgment (thinking of 70AD) when Jesus came not to condemn the world but to save the world.

[Letsargue]

Originally Posted by Untellectual

Was Jeremiah speaking of Judah in the time of their defeat and exile to Babylon, or after their return culminating in the destruction in 70AD?

It's two different events, - ALL before the destruction of Jerusalem in AD70, everything was just a shadow of the time to come and the destruction of Jerusalem. - Jerusalem is the fulfillment of all Scriptures!! -- Luke 21:22 KJV ---//-- Up until Jerusalem all things were carnal, and Jesus finally brought in the Spiritual of anything, and everything!! -- That's where we get, Old "THINGS" are passed away, behold, ALL THINGS ARE MADE NEW, and again by Jesus, the Word of Truth!!! -- Even Jesus was the carnal Parable of the Spiritual GOD and Father, and now we have a Spiritual God and Father in the Heavens, and We who are Spiritual are the heirs of the Spiritual, not the carnal!!

There is not anything after the destruction of Jerusalem in AD70!! - That's when ALL direct inspiration from God ended to all people. Now just the inspiration from the Scriptures ONLY, which is still the same supreme wisdom and knowledge that God of Old poured out on Pentecost and now IS!!!

Paul -- 041412

[Untellectual]

Originally Posted by Letsargue

It's two different events, - ALL before the destruction of Jerusalem in AD70, everything was just a shadow of the time to come and the destruction of Jerusalem. - Jerusalem is the fulfillment of all Scriptures!! -- Luke 21:22 KJV ---//-- Up until Jerusalem all things were carnal, and Jesus finally brought in the Spiritual of anything, and everything!! -- That's where we get, Old "THINGS" are passed away, behold, ALL THINGS ARE MADE NEW, and again by Jesus, the Word of Truth!!! -- Even Jesus was the carnal Parable of the Spiritual GOD and Father, and now we have a Spiritual God and Father in the Heavens, and We who are Spiritual are the heirs of the Spiritual, not the carnal!!

There is not anything after the destruction of Jerusalem in AD70!! - That's when ALL direct inspiration from God ended to all people. Now just the inspiration from the Scriptures ONLY, which is still the same supreme wisdom and knowledge that God of Old poured out on Pentecost and now IS!!!

Paul -- 041412

Can you see that Jeremiah spoke of what would occur with the Chaldeans?

[Letsargue]

Originally Posted by Untellectual

Can you see that Jeremiah spoke of what would occur with the Chaldeans?

COME ON!!!!

There is not "ANYTHING" that has not happened to "EVERYTHING"!! - That's the fulfilling all things FULL!! - There is nothing that has escaped "ANYTHING" "NOW", it's OVER!!! - All of you will see with your eyes opened, it's called, "QUICKENED"!! - YOU WILL SEE WHAT'S ALREADY THERE, --- BUT WHO CARES!!!

Paul -- 041512

[Untellectual]

Originally Posted by Letsargue

COME ON!!!!

There is not "ANYTHING" that has not happened to "EVERYTHING"!! - That's the fulfilling all things FULL!! - There is nothing that has escaped "ANYTHING" "NOW", it's OVER!!! - All of you will see with your eyes opened, it's called, "QUICKENED"!! - YOU WILL SEE WHAT'S ALREADY THERE, --- BUT WHO CARES!!!

Paul -- 041512

Can you see what is evident?

[Bradley D]

I believe that prophecy can have a double meaning. That it can be for more than just one event.

[Untellectual]

Originally Posted by Bradley D

I believe that prophecy can have a double meaning. That it can be for more than just one event.

Can Babylon be something else in Jeremiah and Daniel when Daniel reads Jeremiah?