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Hymns or Praise and Worship music? -
April 21st, 2012, 04:53 PM
which one do you prefer and why?
if your church switched to the opposite of your preference would you leave the Church over it?
are hymns the only appropriate way to worship? or are they simply anachronistic.
are Praise and Worship choruses the way forward?... or is there room for both in the future.
Should P&W choruses be more "in you face" as far as it's message or is it fine the way it is?
just curious as to how you guys feel..... my mothers church is battling over this issue as we speak with people leaving the church over it.
Orthodoxy is just the Tyranny of the Majority, a Spiritual Despotism where accepted doctrine is Sacred, Untouchable self-evident truth no matter how absurd it may be.
Coming from a background that puts a lot of emphases of songs in church, I have to say that it makes no difference the style, as long as it is scriptural, respectful, and doesn't cross the boundaries of the congregations conscious it's worship.
I see no real different between hymns and more modern praise and worship music. I think its just different era's and different styles. As long as it is God being glorified in the music, it doesn't matter to me which style its done in.
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April 22nd, 2012, 09:28 AM
As an instrumentalist, I enjoy "praise choruses" because they allow a great deal of variety on the instrumental side.
I enjoy hymns because they offer a consistent challenge in chord progressions, harmonies, and rhythms.
As a vocalist, I enjoy "praise choruses" because their repetitious nature allows for a gradual building of energy and intensity (matched by changes in the instrumental parts), which makes the worship time of the service a very emotional and impactful experience of God's presence.
I enjoy hymns because there are actual voice parts to follow (I'm a bass), and it feels cool when my parents are in town to hear myself, my wife, and my parents covering all four voice parts between us (wife and mom are mezzo-sopranos capable of singing either women's parts, and dad's a tenor).
My pastors try to take a balanced approach between the two, and I agree.
If you shut out everything old, you imply that the older songs have nothing to offer, which is false, and are in danger of alienating your older congregation members.
If you shut out everything new, you imply that newer Christian musicians have nothing to offer, which is false, and are in danger of alienating your next generations of congregation members.
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Still think instruments shouldn't be used...
And just leave your congregation members who have dedicated their lives to instrumental mastery out in the cold?
Vaya con Dios.
Dieu est l'amour.
Allah bidabbir.
“In many ways the evidence of our faith is found in our ability to control our tongue (or our keyboard)."
-Adam Hamilton, Seeing Gray in a World of Black and White
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April 22nd, 2012, 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Jordan Fontenot
Better than giving them "better seating" than the rest of the congregation because of it.
How do you define "better" seating?
Is your sanctuary divided into blacks-only and whites-only or something?
I've never seen a church sanctuary which was arranged in any way besides centering on the stage/pulpit.
My wife and I are part of our church's worship team, and we sit near the back.
Still waiting on an explanation of your irrational hatred of musical instruments.
Vaya con Dios.
Dieu est l'amour.
Allah bidabbir.
“In many ways the evidence of our faith is found in our ability to control our tongue (or our keyboard)."
-Adam Hamilton, Seeing Gray in a World of Black and White
How do you define "better" seating?
Is your sanctuary divided into blacks-only and whites-only or something?
I've never seen a church sanctuary which was arranged in any way besides centering on the stage/pulpit.
My wife and I are part of our church's worship team, and we sit near the back.
Still waiting on an explanation of your irrational hatred of musical instruments.
I have not hatred toward musical instruments. I play 7 or 8 instruments myself. I'm not saying you're going to hell for using instruments either. Personally I believe that instruments remove the point of worship music; to take the breath God has given us and give it back in praise. I am just stating my reasoning for why I don't think they're good for worship. If we start putting people on the stage to play music there are some situations which can occur which can cause issues.
1) The instruments cause a moral divide in the congregation, causing conflict for the morals of some.
2) The instruments become distractions and sometimes cause us to forget why we are singing or even what we are singing
3) Those who play the instrument receive favored treatment because of their talent
4) We imitate secular society and start reflecting a more secular image of Christ than God intends.
By no means am I saying that any of this is what's happening in your congregation. However what I am saying is if there is the potential for that many issues, why not take instruments out of the equation? Colossians 3:16 says to admonish one another in psalms hymns and spiritual songs. Though I don't believe it's a sin to use them I don't believe it's best, because worship music shouldn't be based on how good it sounds physically but about how willing we are to offer our hearts and minds to God with the voices that he has given us.
He said use instruments (all of the psalms as quote), if he is fine with it, I am fine with .
Your argument sounds great, but God seems to disagree!
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Originally Posted by Jordan Fontenot
I have not hatred toward musical instruments. I play 7 or 8 instruments myself. I'm not saying you're going to hell for using instruments either. Personally I believe that instruments remove the point of worship music; to take the breath God has given us and give it back in praise. I am just stating my reasoning for why I don't think they're good for worship. If we start putting people on the stage to play music there are some situations which can occur which can cause issues.
1) The instruments cause a moral divide in the congregation, causing conflict for the morals of some.
2) The instruments become distractions and sometimes cause us to forget why we are singing or even what we are singing
3) Those who play the instrument receive favored treatment because of their talent
4) We imitate secular society and start reflecting a more secular image of Christ than God intends.
By no means am I saying that any of this is what's happening in your congregation. However what I am saying is if there is the potential for that many issues, why not take instruments out of the equation? Colossians 3:16 says to admonish one another in psalms hymns and spiritual songs. Though I don't believe it's a sin to use them I don't believe it's best, because worship music shouldn't be based on how good it sounds physically but about how willing we are to offer our hearts and minds to God with the voices that he has given us.
I believe that instruments remove the point of worship music; to take the breath God has given us and give it back in praise.
could this not just as easily be done with a trumpet or flute? is it also not possible to consider that aperson who's talent is guitar, that the guitar is his voice?
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Originally Posted by Jordan Fontenot
If we start putting people on the stage to play music there are some situations which can occur which can cause issues.
only with people who want to be divisive and disruptive, are easily offended, or are legalistic.
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1) The instruments cause a moral divide in the congregation, causing conflict for the morals of some.
so the church should cater to the older legalistic folks who think it ought to be done the way it was when 'mama pete" was still alive, right?
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2) The instruments become distractions and sometimes cause us to forget why we are singing or even what we are singing
or perhaps it's more the fact that you aren't focusing in on the right thing.
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3) Those who play the instrument receive favored treatment because of their talent
the same applies to vocalists....people who are gifted for music(or whatever) should get proper recognition when their playing is above average and they use that gift for the glory of God, no?.... otherwise everyone would be musically gifted.
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Originally Posted by Jordan Fontenot
4) We imitate secular society and start reflecting a more secular image of Christ than God intends.
not sure exactly what you mean by this.
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Originally Posted by Jordan Fontenot
However what I am saying is if there is the potential for that many issues, why not take instruments out of the equation?
or you could find a comprimise that works for every body and not lift a certain segment of the congregation above the rest setting up a Tyranny of the Majority type situation.
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because worship music shouldn't be based on how good it sounds physically but about how willing we are to offer our hearts and minds to God with the voices that he has given us.
....nothing blows ones worship experience more than someone who can't sing in tune and has poor voice quality.....if God wanted everyone to be musicians then everyone would be equally gifted with respect for their musical ability.
Orthodoxy is just the Tyranny of the Majority, a Spiritual Despotism where accepted doctrine is Sacred, Untouchable self-evident truth no matter how absurd it may be.
Psalm 150:3
Praise him with the sound of the trumpet: praise him with the lute and harp.
praise him with tambourine and dancing, praise him with the strings and flute,praise him with the clash of cymbals, praise him with resounding cymbals.
I believe in biblical praise, and really don't know what these churches that forbid instruments are doing.
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April 22nd, 2012, 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by jeremysdemo
Psalm 150:3
Praise him with the sound of the trumpet: praise him with the lute and harp.
praise him with tambourine and dancing, praise him with the strings and flute,praise him with the clash of cymbals, praise him with resounding cymbals.
I believe in biblical praise, and really don't know what these churches that forbid instruments are doing.
keep shinin
jerm
The partial explanation I've been given is that some people feel that using instruments somehow automatically turns "worship" into a "show."
Doesn't make sense to me, but the Church of Christ congregations I've worshiped with in the past produced some amazing vocalists.
Vaya con Dios.
Dieu est l'amour.
Allah bidabbir.
“In many ways the evidence of our faith is found in our ability to control our tongue (or our keyboard)."
-Adam Hamilton, Seeing Gray in a World of Black and White
I prefer a more modern praise and worship style of music but I must confess that it also makes me a bit uncomfortable.
I have always wondered, when the "worship team" is done with a "set", who are we clapping for?
Galatians 5:22-23 (New International Version)
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.
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....nothing blows ones worship experience more than someone who can't sing in tune and has poor voice quality.....if God wanted everyone to be musicians then everyone would be equally gifted with respect for their musical ability.
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