[TruthSetsFree]

yes and no

the Church (RCC) has never taught that any given person, even Hitler, is in Hell (although in exorcisms some have heard the voice of Hitler coming from the possesed... but i digress...)

if a person dies unrepentent of a mortal sin

he will end up in Hell... but there is a time b4 final judgment

but after phsycial death

and in that time... well, i would think there would be time to repent...

that doesn't mean he will avoid Purgatoyr... but he will eventually be saved

[Eeset]

How are you defining repent?

[TruthSetsFree]

Originally Posted by Eeset

How are you defining repent?

if you love God you will want to repent.. .it will come naturally to you... every time u fall

but if you dont love God.. well, then repentance becomes... problematic

but even those who dont know God

know when they have crossed a line morally

they are disingenous or outright lying when thye say otherwise..

everyone knows right from wrong... dont have 2b raised Christian to know... a lot of what is right and wrong...

anyway, i am out of time for today

[chrysostom]

Originally Posted by Eeset

How are you defining repent?

don't you have a dictionary?

[Herod The Swiss]

What is this mortal sin you guys jabber about? And Hitler and the RCC were a diabolical union. Such a moral organisation, trying to benefit from Hitler's schemes.

[TruthSetsFree]

Originally Posted by Herod The Swiss

What is this mortal sin you guys jabber about? And Hitler and the RCC were a diabolical union. Such a moral organisation, trying to benefit from Hitler's schemes.

usually its best to get one's information from something a little more reliable than a cracker jack box...

I would be a good source of info since i have been CAtholic all my life

have studied Church history (written by adults... )

have studied the teachings of the Church

have BEEN Catholic, meaning practicing for many years now...

etc..

But... well, u can ask me a question if you can manage to phrase it in ... and adult manner

but... again... kinda tired of talking to walls... lots of walls around here...

[HisServant]

The concept of a mortal sin was dreamed up one day by a bunch of bishops and presented to the Pope as a great idea for fund raising.

[Cruciform]

Originally Posted by HisServant

The concept of a mortal sin was dreamed up one day by a bunch of bishops and presented to the Pope as a great idea for fund raising.

Documentation, please.



Gaudium de veritate,

Cruciform
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[HisServant]

Originally Posted by Cruciform

Documentation, please.



Gaudium de veritate,

Cruciform
+T+

Do you really want to go down that route?.. penance, selling of indulgences and all that steamy history?

Just look at the Vatican and all the treasures it has... while Jesus had no place to lay his head and had to be buried in a borrowed tomb.

[chrysostom]

are you trying to scare us?

[Traditio]

Our Lady of Fatima told us that souls fall into Hell like snowflakes in a snowstorm. I cannot urge this enough: Pray the Chaplet of the Divine Mercy and the Most Holy Rosary every day. And when you pray the rosary, be sure, with the greatest devotion, to pray the Fatima prayer: "Oh, my Jesus, forgive us our sins. Save us from the fires of Hell. Lead all souls to Heaven, especially those in most need of thy mercy."

[chrysostom]

Originally Posted by Traditio

Our Lady of Fatima told us that souls fall into Hell like snowflakes in a snowstorm.

how do you know that?

[Traditio]

Originally Posted by chrysostom

how do you know that?

"Even in 1917, the children were given a vision of Hell and souls were falling into Hell like snowflakes fall in a snowstorm."

That's the reason Our Blessed Mother told us to add the Fatima prayer at the end of each decade of the rosary.

Because Hell is real. Real people are going there. It's a real danger that threatens every one of us. And it's only through the great mercy and grace of God that any one of us will avoid it. That's why we have to pray especially hard.

Link.

[HisServant]

Originally Posted by Traditio

Our Lady of Fatima told us that souls fall into Hell like snowflakes in a snowstorm. I cannot urge this enough: Pray the Chaplet of the Divine Mercy and the Most Holy Rosary every day. And when you pray the rosary, be sure, with the greatest devotion, pray the Fatima prayer: "Oh, my Jesus, forgive us our sins. Save us from the fires of Hell. Lead all souls to Heaven, especially those in most need of thy mercy."

Jesus taught us how to pray. I think we should heed his teachings.

God is a jealous god and does not suffer us praying to anyone but him. Even Jesus does not wish to be prayed to... only his Father is worthy of our prayers.


It is Satan, who wished to be adored and worshiped by all others that incurred the wrath of God and was cast from heaven. It's a lesson you should learn.

[Cruciform]

Originally Posted by HisServant

God is a jealous god and does not suffer us praying to anyone but him. Even Jesus does not wish to be prayed to... only his Father is worthy of our prayers. It is Satan, who wished to be adored and worshiped by all others that incurred the wrath of God and was cast from heaven. It's a lesson you should learn.

HS's fundamental error here is in failing to recognize the categorical distinction between the two senses of the term "to pray" as it is held within Catholic teaching---i.e, "praying" to the Saints (asking for their prayerful intercession) is entirely different than "praying" to God (which involves adoration and worship). In the latter sense, Catholics pray to God alone.

This has been explained to HS on numerous occasions, but he still cannot seem to mentally grasp the concept. It appears that he simply doesn't want to.



Gaudium de veritate,

Cruciform
+T+