Calvinism, Catholicism, Religion, Perverts God's Moral Character and Law - Theology Online

Robert Pate

The standard required by God today is the same as required of Adam in his sinless state.

BE YE HOLY; FOR I AM HOLY, 1 Peter 1:16.

The Bible only acknowledges one standard of holiness, the holiness of God himself. Holiness means perfect conformity to God's law and his divine will. Anything short of this is sin.

God does not predestinate sinners to salvation. Those who believe that God has chosen certain sinners to salvation through predestination are suffering from a bad case of arrogance and pride. The only one that God predestinated was Jesus Christ, all of humanity was chosen in Christ, Ephesians 1:4.

All through the Old Testament God deals with Israel through patriachs and prophets. God does not have direct contact with his people. The only one that God had the closest contact with was Moses on the mountain when God gave him the Ten Commandments.

God is Holy beyond human comprehension.

Adam and Eve only sinned once, this one sin caused God to curse the whole universe and break fellowship with the crown of his creation. It is a wonder that he did not wrap up the whole universe in one big ball of fire and forget it.

Adam was humanities representative. As Adam goes, so go we. We are all sinners without works. We don't have to sin to prove that we are sinners it is our natural condition. We are born sinners, Psalm 51:5. Adam is our first father, we have his genes and his blood coursing through our veins. Whether we like it or not we are related to Adam.

Paul wrote, Wherefore, as by one man (Adam) sin entered the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned, Romans 5:12.

All one has to do today to see that man is a sinner is to read the newspaper or turn on the evening news. It becomes very apparent that "All have sinned, and come short of the glory of God," Romans 3:23.

The consequence of Adam's sin is that we must die, "For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive," 1 Corinthians 15:22. We are made alive in the resurrection.

As I said earlier God does not predestinate sinners to salvation, (Calvinism) Nor does God infuse sinners with righteousness, (Catholicism) These are false doctrines that are not even biblical. These false doctrines make God the minister of sin and pervert his moral character and law.

HOW DOES GOD SAVE LOST SINNERS?

God saves sinners by doing something totally and completely out side of them. God does NOT re-habilitate man's fallen nature (Catholicism) If that were true there would be no purpose in the incarnation of Jesus Christ. Jesus could have just stayed in heaven and sent his Holy Spirit into the hearts of sinners and have made them into holy Christians. It didn't happen that way.

The incarnation of Jesus Christ is the heart and the center of the Gospel. God does Not re-habilitate lost sinner, instead he puts them to death in Jesus Christ, Paul said, "I have been crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live." Galatians 2:20. The reason that Paul was crucified with Christ was so that "The body of sin might be destroyed," Romans 6:6. God brings forth a new Paul in the resurrection of Jesus Christ and seats him in heaven with Christ, Ephesians 2:6.

This is what it means to be "IN CHRIST" To be "In Christ" means that you are trusting in the life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ for your salvation, plus nothing. It is Not Jesus Christ plus your religion. It is not Jesus Christ plus your righteousness which you do not posses. It is the work and person of Jesus Christ plus nothing.

We were "In Christ" when he lived.

We were "In Christ" when he died.

We were "In Christ" when he arose from the dead.

We are "In Christ" in heaven.

Its over! Its finished! We are complete "In Christ" Colossians 2:10.

Cruciform · June 11th, 2012, 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert Pate

Calvinism, Catholicism, Religion, Perverts God's Moral Character and Law

Yet another clone of the same thread that Pate has posted a dozen times on this forum...

Pate's threads are the "Groundhog Day" of TOL.

Gaudium de veritate,

Cruciform
+T+

Robert Pate · June 11th, 2012, 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cruciform

Yet another clone of the same thread that Pate has posted a dozen times on this forum...

Pate's threads are the "Groundhog Day" of TOL.

Gaudium de veritate,

Cruciform
+T+

This is the first time that I have posted this article.

You really need to read it.

Cruciform · June 11th, 2012, 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert Pate

This is the first time that I have posted this article.You really need to read it.

"po-tay-to"/"po-tah-to" (Post #2).

Gaudium de veritate,

Cruciform
+T+

Robert Pate · June 12th, 2012, 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cruciform

"po-tay-to"/"po-tah-to" (Post #2).

Gaudium de veritate,

Cruciform
+T+

If you had the truth you would be able to refute what I say.

Paul said, "Peach the word (Gospel) be instant in season, out of season, reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall heap to themselves teachers having itching ears. And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned to fables," 2 Timothy 4:2, 3, 4

Cruciform · June 12th, 2012, 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert Pate

If you had the truth you would be able to refute what I say.

As I said (Post #2): Been there, done that---as have the other Catholics here on TOL. Moving on...

Gaudium de veritate,

Cruciform
+T+

ThePresbyteers · June 12th, 2012, 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cruciform

Pate's threads are the "Groundhog Day" of TOL.

Pate knows exactly what you're going to say and when. It's called predestination. He keeps coming back cause he isn't really sure himself.

Robert Pate · June 12th, 2012, 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThePresbyteers

Pate knows exactly what you're going to say and when. It's called predestination. He keeps coming back cause he isn't really sure himself.

I am very sure of myself because I know in whom I believe, 2 Timothy 1:12.

Cruciform · June 12th, 2012, 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert Pate

I am very sure of myself because I know in whom I believe, 2 Timothy 1:12.

Yep, that's precisely the claim made by every single one of the millions of members of the some 38,000+ competing and contradictory non-Catholic denominations and sects in existence today, with more being invented every week. Every one of them "is very sure of himself because he knows in whom he believes." In short, that's what they all say---including every Catholic on this forum.

Nice try, though...

Gaudium de veritate,

Cruciform
+T+

Robert Pate · June 13th, 2012, 07:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cruciform

Yep, that's precisely the claim made by every single one of the millions of members of the some 38,000+ competing and contradictory non-Catholic denominations and sects in existence today, with more being invented every week. Every one of them "is very sure of himself because he knows in whom he believes." In short, that's what they all say---including every Catholic on this forum.

Nice try, though...

Gaudium de veritate,

Cruciform
+T+

When a Catholic says, "I know in whom I believe" they usually mean the pope or the Catholic church.

When Paul said, "I know in whom I believe" he meant Jesus Christ, plus nothing. Paul was not religious. He readily confessed that he was a sinner. "For I know that in me (that is in my flesh) dwells no good thing." Romans 7:18.

Paul was not trusting in anything that he was, nor was Paul trusting in anything that he had become. Paul trusted wholly and completely in Jesus Christ, plus nothing.

ttruscott · June 11th, 2012, 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert Pate

...
We were "In Christ" when he lived.

We were "In Christ" when he died.

We were "In Christ" when he arose from the dead.

We are "In Christ" in heaven.

Its over! Its finished! We are complete "In Christ" Colossians 2:10.

So why are you here? I claim you are here because your
maturity is lacking, same as everyone else:

Hebrews 6:1
Therefore let us leave the elementary teachings about Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again the foundation of repentance from acts that lead to death, and of faith in God,

Ephesians 4:13
until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.

"Matt 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect."

shrug

Peace, Ted

Robert Pate · June 11th, 2012, 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ttruscott

So why are you here? I claim you are here because your
maturity is lacking, same as everyone else:

Hebrews 6:1
Therefore let us leave the elementary teachings about Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again the foundation of repentance from acts that lead to death, and of faith in God,

Ephesians 4:13
until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.

"Matt 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect."

shrug

Peace, Ted

Do you believe that everyone on this Forum is a Christian?

And then you quote Hebrews 6:1, Ephesians 4:13 and Matthew 5:48. As though you have attained.

Are you perfect?

Dona Bate · June 11th, 2012, 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert Pate

This is the first time that I have posted this article.

You really need to read it.

Maybe nobody's got time or they simply cannot understand you!
Soooo let me give an analogy of your OP for all....
It says on my box of Corn Flakes that “If it doesn’t say Kellogg's on the box… it isn’t Kellogg's in the box.” If I transfer the contents to a Nestlé Shreddies box, do the Corn Flakes cease to be Kellogg's? I am not foolish enough to suppose that if I put the Shreddies in the Corn Flakes box that they would become Kellog’s, but if I put the Corn Flakes back in their original container, are they somehow transformed back into Kellogg's? Or should I just move on to croissants? Thats about the size of your argument there Robert you are mixed up and as Cruciform pointed out ...its cereal !

God bless!

Robert Pate · June 11th, 2012, 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dona Bate

Maybe nobody's got time or they simply cannot understand you!
Soooo let me give an analogy of your OP for all....
It says on my box of Corn Flakes that “If it doesn’t say Kellogg's on the box… it isn’t Kellogg's in the box.” If I transfer the contents to a Nestlé Shreddies box, do the Corn Flakes cease to be Kellogg's? I am not foolish enough to suppose that if I put the Shreddies in the Corn Flakes box that they would become Kellog’s, but if I put the Corn Flakes back in their original container, are they somehow transformed back into Kellogg's? Or should I just move on to croissants? Thats about the size of your argument there Robert you are mixed up and as Cruciform pointed out ...its cereal !

God bless!

God says that he can make sinners righteous without re-habilitating them, Romans 4:5.

In other words he can turn Corn Flakes into Raisen Bran in the twinkling of an eye, 1 Corinthians 15:52.

You don't understand this because you are void of the light that enlightens.

SeraphimsCherub · June 16th, 2012, 06:18 PM

The "Reformation" of Judiasm was,and is the Roman Catholic Church.