[aikido7]

One came to his senses:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/01/wa...Ow&oref=slogin

Now if Delmor, Sir Frank. OnFire and the gang will stop the denial and finally get on board!

[ParsonJefferson]

Originally Posted by aikido7

One came to his senses:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/01/wa...Ow&oref=slogin

Now if Delmor, Sir Frank. OnFire and the gang will stop the denial and finally get on board!

Get on board what - the "our convictions are based on public opinion" band-wagon?

[zoo22]

Originally Posted by ParsonJefferson

Get on board what - the "our convictions are based on public opinion" band-wagon?

No, one should never base their convictions on public opinion! This is a great point, PJ. Whatever side of a fence one stands on, convictions should be one's own.

That's why I admire the most those who can choose their side of the fence but not need to adhere to all of the poicies that fall on that side of the fence. Also why I admire those who do not feel the need to pigeonhole someone on "the other" side of the fence.

Think for yourself. Down with kneejerkism!

A quote I liked from the article is:

“I think we should design campaigns that appeal not to 51 percent of the people, but bring the country together as a whole.”

I believe this is possible. And I believe it has to do a lot with the very point you raise, PJ.

[ParsonJefferson]

Originally Posted by zoo22

No, one should never base their convictions on public opinion! This is a great point, PJ. Whatever side of a fence one stands on, convictions should be one's own.

That's why I admire the most those who can choose their side of the fence but not need to adhere to all of the poicies that fall on that side of the fence. Also why I admire those who do not feel the need to pigeonhole someone on "the other" side of the fence.

Think for yourself. Down with kneejerkism!

A quote I liked from the article is:

“I think we should design campaigns that appeal not to 51 percent of the people, but bring the country together as a whole.”

I believe this is possible. And I believe it has to do a lot with the very point you raise, PJ.

I agree.

But it also has to do with EVERYONE being willing to do what's RIGHT, not just what's POPULAR, or apt to win more votes.

This is what SICKENS me about so many of our current politicians who have completely flip-flopped on the Iraq War. Regardless of the Rightness or Wrongness of the war, it infuriates me that so many of those who voted to go to war in Iraq are now completely against the war. Surprise, surprise. Politicians who pander to votes - and voters who are shallow enough to elect and re-elect them.

[Lucky]

Was Kerry right when he supported the war or when he was against it?

[ParsonJefferson]

Originally Posted by Lucky

Was Kerry right when he supported the war or when he was against it?

Which war?

VietNam, or Iraq? Or both?

[aikido7]

Originally Posted by Lucky

Was Kerry right when he supported the war or when he was against it?

The quote was real, but most people stayed ignorant about what Kerry was trying to say. In a convoluted sense, it was true. But you had to go deep into the pool of information to grab it.

[aikido7]

Originally Posted by ParsonJefferson

I agree.

But it also has to do with EVERYONE being willing to do what's RIGHT, not just what's POPULAR, or apt to win more votes.

This is what SICKENS me about so many of our current politicians who have completely flip-flopped on the Iraq War. Regardless of the Rightness or Wrongness of the war, it infuriates me that so many of those who voted to go to war in Iraq are now completely against the war. Surprise, surprise. Politicians who pander to votes - and voters who are shallow enough to elect and re-elect them.

Many of you backed Bush in 2000 with the belief that you were supporting a moderate, inclusive Republican with a pragmatic small-c conservative domestic policy, and a humble approach to the rest of the world.

You were wrong, but you bonded with the president we'd picked through the trauma of 9/11, and it took many of TOL-ers time to come to terms with what it was we had ultimately enabled. It was right in front of your noses, of course.

Plus the television networks played the tape of the burning and collapsing towers over and over and over again. That brought out your fear and helplessness, and you were easy pickings for an elite fratboy who masqueraded as a straight shooter.

Those of us who saw through this guy in 2000 were right. I like to think it was because I like to think. Curiosity, common sense and a willingness to follow the truth wherever it leads is still needed.

I think Bush is incompetent and dangerous.