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Understanding Genesis 1 & 2 - For Discussion.... -
November 10th, 2009, 05:21 PM
Briefly, here's how I read Genesis 1:1~5 based on my humble biblical understanding ....
Genesis 1:1 is just a preface - the story of the "Beginning"
Genesis 1:2 narrates us the condition of the deep (dark -null & void) before the world was.
Genesis 1:3 documents us the bringing forth of the Light before anything is made; before the world was.
Genesis 1:4 the division / separation of Light from darkness - the first work of old.
Genesis 1:5 The evening & the morning, the first day.
Notice that our first firmament of heaven is made only on the 2nd day (Genesis 1:6~8) and the making of our world (earth) started only on the 3rd day (Genesis 1:9~10) not Genesis 1:1, am I correct?
Any other thought is welcome.....
God Bless
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November 10th, 2009, 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Seve
Briefly, here's how I read Genesis 1:1~5 based on my humble biblical understanding ....
Genesis 1:1 is just a preface - the story of the "Beginning"
Genesis 1:2 narrates us the condition of the deep (dark -null & void) before the world was.
Genesis 1:3 documents us the bringing forth of the Light before anything is made; before the world was.
Genesis 1:4 the division / separation of Light from darkness - the first work of old.
Genesis 1:5 The evening & the morning, the first day.
Notice that our first firmament of heaven is made only on the 2nd day (Genesis 1:6~8) and the making of our world (earth) started only on the 3rd day (Genesis 1:9~10) not Genesis 1:1, am I correct?
Any other thought is welcome.....
God Bless
Hopefully this is not an attempt to introduce a "Gap Theory."
Nang
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Briefly, here's how I read Genesis 1:1~5 based on my humble biblical understanding ....
Genesis 1:1 is just a preface - the story of the "Beginning"
Genesis 1:2 narrates us the condition of the deep (dark -null & void) before the world was.
Genesis 1:3 documents us the bringing forth of the Light before anything is made; before the world was.
Genesis 1:4 the division / separation of Light from darkness - the first work of old.
Genesis 1:5 The evening & the morning, the first day.
Notice that our first firmament of heaven is made only on the 2nd day (Genesis 1:6~8) and the making of our world (earth) started only on the 3rd day (Genesis 1:9~10) not Genesis 1:1, am I correct?
Any other thought is welcome.....
God Bless
Welcome to TOL Patriot Fan. I live about 40 miles from the home of the Patriots.
Now about Genesis. What ever is written works for me because I was not there. I missed it by a few years. The part I found interesting is that the Sun and Moon were not made til the fourth day. That is when our standard of time began. So millions of years (our years) could have passed before they were created.
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Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
Stripe, Have you read the basis for many forms of suggested "Gap Theories?" They indeed serve no use, as you say, but such speculators employ the very verses being brought up for discussion by this OP. I would just appreciate the OP clarifying his intentions, and hopefully denying that his desire is to introduce any kind of a Genesis "Gap Theory." Then perhaps Scriptural and sound theological discussion can follow . . . Nang
OK. I've not read extensively on the subject and I was only referring to the one that reads "created" as "became" in 1:1.
We still don't know if our newbie is a gappist or not though.
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Originally Posted by keypurr
The part I found interesting is that the Sun and Moon were not made til the fourth day. That is when our standard of time began. So millions of years (our years) could have passed before they were created.
Do you think the earth rotated a lot more slowly before Day 4?
Briefly, here's how I read Genesis 1:1~5 based on my humble biblical understanding ....
Genesis 1:1 is just a preface - the story of the "Beginning"
Genesis 1:2 narrates us the condition of the deep (dark -null & void) before the world was.
Genesis 1:3 documents us the bringing forth of the Light before anything is made; before the world was.
Genesis 1:4 the division / separation of Light from darkness - the first work of old.
Genesis 1:5 The evening & the morning, the first day.
Notice that our first firmament of heaven is made only on the 2nd day (Genesis 1:6~8) and the making of our world (earth) started only on the 3rd day (Genesis 1:9~10) not Genesis 1:1, am I correct?
Brethren,
I don't believe in "Gap Theory" - which suggest that God needed to "repair" or "re-create" the physical world that, accordingly, was destroyed in the beginning - between Gen. 1:1-2 - as the result of Satan' spiritual rebellion with God. It just doesn't make sense and definitely not supported by the Scripture, that I know of.
However, I believe there are numerous worlds made during the creation process, but there are several reasons why I believe that the word used in Gen. 1:1 (KJV) specifically.... is Heaven and not Heavens (plural). In the context of the text, I see the narrative as saying:
In the beginning God Created the heaven (Air) and the Earth (Ground). And the Earth (Ground) was without form, (Dust) and void; (Empty) and darkness (Death) was upon the face of the deep, and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
The 3 elements necessary for all physical form are shown... Air, Dust, and Water. Everything which is physical is composed of these 3 elements. The text is correct in showing that the water was not directly created, or spoken into being, because it consists of elements of the Air or Atmosphere. Water is Hydrogen and Oxygen and came from the Atmosphere and is not shown as a separate creation.
This is correct in today's scientific knowledge, but IF the Bible were written by Ancient men, Moses would not have known this. He would have written that in the beginning God created the Air, Dust, and Water, but since God Himself is the Author, He correctly shows that the Atmosphere and Ground were created, and the Water was not a separate creation but instead, came from the Atmosphere.
But that's just my humble biblical opinion.
God Bless
Last edited by Seve; November 11th, 2009 at 07:32 AM.
Welcome to TOL Patriot Fan. I live about 40 miles from the home of the Patriots.
Now about Genesis. What ever is written works for me because I was not there. I missed it by a few years. The part I found interesting is that the Sun and Moon were not made til the fourth day. That is when our standard of time began. So millions of years (our years) could have passed before they were created.
Peace
Dear keypurr,
Thank you for the warm welcome and I hope you're rooting for the NE Patriots.
Back to our topic, yes, I could not disagree with you more. However, just so you know, Jesus was the Light of the 1st Day. Jesus is the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. In the Garden of Gethsemane, just before His Crucification, Jesus prays to the Father:
And now, O Father, glorify thou Me with Thine Own Self with the glory which I had with Thee before the world was. John 17:5
Glory is Brightness, a Physical trait. Jesus is speaking of His Physical Brightness which He shared with the Father, Before the world was. Before the world was can only be the 1st Day, since the first World was made on the 2nd Day. Gen 1:6-8.
Jesus is the Physical Image of the Invisible Spirit of God. Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: Col 1:15. He was brought forth into the Physical World, from the invisible realm of the Father, when God said "LET THERE BE LIGHT" Gen. 1:3 - before our world was. Jesus is the Light of the 1st Day, the Light of the first 3 Days, since the Sun was not made until the 4th Day.
Jesus is also the Light of Heaven:
And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. Rev 21:23
Jesus is the beginning and the end. Jesus is LORD.
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November 11th, 2009, 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Seve
Brethren,
I don't believe in "Gap Theory" - which suggest that God needed to "repair" or "re-create" the physical world that, accordingly, was destroyed in the beginning - between Gen. 1:1-2 - as the result of Satan' spiritual rebellion with God. God Bless
Thank you for telling us what the gap theory is.
"This then is what it means to be born again of water and Spirit: just as our dying is effected in the water, our living is wrought in the Spirit. In three immersions and in an equal number of invocations the great mystery of baptism is completed in such a way that the type of death may be shown figuratively, and that by the handing on of divine knowledge the souls of the baptized may be illuminated. If, therefore, there is any grace in the water, it is not from the nature of water but from the Spirit's presence there."--St Basil the Great (ca. 350 AD)
Jesus is God and was with the Father before the beginning of the Physical World. When God said, Let there be Light (Gen. 1:3), Jesus came forth from the Spirit of Love into the Physical World and became the Only God ever Physically formed or that ever will be Physically formed. He was Not Created, since He was already God himself - at the bosom of the Father - from the beginning.
As I have asserted before, Jesus was the Light of the 1st 3 Days, just as He will be the Light of Heaven, which has No need for the Sun nor Moon to shine in it - in the end. Without the brightness of glory of Jesus (The True Light) was Not anything made which was made, because Everything Physical was made by the Physical Hands of the Only God, the Only Image, the Only Begotten, of the Invisible Spirit of God. When we get to Heaven, we will truly understand that Jesus is the One God, for In Him dwelleth ALL of the fulness of the Godhead, Bodily (physically).
IOW, Jesus is Lord YHWH himself of the OT, the Son of the invisible God -- whose name is not yet known to anyone at this time.
Of course, the above analogy is only based on my humble biblical understanding.
God Bless
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