Nice answer, Turbo And you are right ya know...regardless of the excellent job both have done in the debate....and of course there is no winner because it is a question without a provable answer, God wins because debates such as this cause people to dig deep within themselves and assess their beliefs and faith....and presents issues which expand all of our minds....
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July 13th, 2003, 02:30 PM
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Originally posted by claire
Nice answer, Turbo And you are right ya know...regardless of the excellent job both have done in the debate....and of course there is no winner because it is a question without a provable answer, God wins because debates such as this cause people to dig deep within themselves and assess their beliefs and faith....and presents issues which expand all of our minds....
Thanks Claire.
But I don't agree that the question has no provable answer. It's just that some people reject the proof and evidence that exists.
It's common for theists to say things like, "You can't prove God," but I think the logical argument based on the laws of thermodynamics used in Enyart's first post is adequate logical proof for a supernatural Creator.
I also recognize that Christ's resurrection is supported by overwhelming historical and archaeological evidence. Together, these pieces of evidence prove the resurrection actually took place, just like evidence is used to prove whether a crime suspect is guilty, and therefore prove that Jesus is the God he claimed to be.
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July 14th, 2003, 08:44 AM
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Originally posted by Tye Porter
One can Pray, Z-man, it is the best resource.
One can do nothing in reguards to their salvation. That's what the definition of grace is. That's why it's so amazing, and that's what makes Christianity different from all the other religions out there today.
Prayer doesn't lead to salvation; salvation leads to prayer.
Question what you believe in, and then you'll know.
Originally posted by Z Man
One can do nothing in reguards to their salvation. That's what the definition of grace is. That's why it's so amazing, and that's what makes Christianity different from all the other religions out there today.
Prayer doesn't lead to salvation; salvation leads to prayer.
Z Man please read your Bible!
For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. - Romans 10:10
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July 14th, 2003, 05:26 PM
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You're saying that I have no need, nor should I ever, pray for this man's salvation? My prayers are useless?
No, no, no... That's definitely not what I'm saying at all. Please pray that God saves him, by all means. And I'm not saying that a person must not pray to find favor in God's eyes and be saved, Knight. A person who is saved will pray to God. Like Paul was saying in the verse Knight quoted from, to believe in your heart and confess with you mouth is to be saved! But please, don't think that Paul was stating that in order to recieve salvation, one must pray...
Praying is not a requirement to recieve salvation. In fact, nothing is. That's what makes God's grace so amazing. There is nothing we can do to obtain or keep our salvation.
That's all I was saying...
Question what you believe in, and then you'll know.
I think Bob Enyart is winning, but only by a nose. He's had more good posts, and Zakath has had a couple bad ones. I am glad when Zakath responds directly to Bob Enyart's points - seems like he evades too much.
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Originally posted by ZroKewl
Unless a Christian thinks objectively, they'll never stop believing, no matter what evidence is brought before them...
In your opinion... how does one think objectively?
I think it has something to do with ignoring that which you already know to be true.
Now to him who is able to do immeasurably more than all we ask or imagine, according to his power that is at work within us, to him be glory in the church and in Christ Jesus throughout all generations, for ever and ever! Amen. Ephesians 3:20-21
And you are right ya know...regardless of the excellent job both have done in the debate....and of course there is no winner because it is a question without a provable answer, God wins because debates such as this cause people to dig deep within themselves and assess their beliefs and faith....and presents issues which expand all of our minds....
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