[Sleepy Time]

Although I'm one who thinks Glen Beck is a wacko, detrimental to our country's recovery, I also hold to the credo that even a broken clock tells the correct time twice a day. He compared this guy to a 'Hitler youth corps' type. Typical Beck-(crap)-ola I would think.
I've not read much on this but was this guy in some kind of youth school? And was the curriculum decidedly left-wing indoctrination? I'm a firm believer in: "Totalitarianism is totalitarianism whether it comes from the far-right OR the far-left"
I simply don't know, too much on my plate (my brother's death, starting a new job) to even keep up with things.
I have no opinion here, I'm just wanting to know if anyone has any insight into this angle...

[Nick M]

I followed the ad at the top of the page for those demonic pig heathes, "amnesty international". They allow you to write a message, or put your own to the Governor Jay Nixon. Naturaly, I urged him to not profane God. Thanks for the easy access fellas.

[Ktoyou]

Originally Posted by Knight

Keep him at Guantanamo just long enough to waterboard him a few times to make sure we have all the intelligence we need from him, then swiftly and painfully execute him.

Intelligence?

[raphaelx]

Originally Posted by Nick M

He commited murder. He should be executed.

lol ... u ppl are funny ...

do all u ppl crying for the death penalty or cruel and unusual punishment even realise that ur exactly the same as the killer?
killer sits at home, looks out his window at the world, doesnt like what he sees and decides he wants to kill it ...
u sit at home, look at the news on tv, hear about a man who killed some kids and decide u want to kill him ...
"its justice!" says the killer, "coz the world is crazy and needs to be cleansed"
"its justice!" says u, "coz the killer is crazy and needs to be removed"

lol ... and this from ppl who are sposed to be civilised christians ...

can someone from the pro-death camp please explain why ur judgement of death upon another person is righteous but this guys judgement of death is not ...

as an aside, why do ppl who profess belief in God care so much when someone else is sent to Heaven? is it such a bad thing to die? ... i understand why atheists would be upset coz for them its the end of the road ... but to those who sincerely believe in God and the afterlife ... i really dont get it ...

[Granite]

Originally Posted by Ktoyou

Intelligence?

There is a slim chance his boasts have some truth to them and he's working with others.

[raphaelx]

Originally Posted by IXOYE

In High school our debate topic one year was change some federal law. Most people abolished Capital Punishment.

We won state by making it mandatory. We had proof from two studies, that a person condemned to life without parole, on average killed 2.3 more people while he was kept. If life was valuable, killing the one saved the many.

So tell me, is it really the life that is valuable,

or is the far left, just queasy and wants everyone to think they are nice guys, even to the point of allowing WORSE evil to do it?

sorry ... i had to make 2 posts coz im not smart enough to know how to quote multiple posts in one entry ... :P

umm ... doesnt it follow from ur own argument that its in the greater interest of society to condemn prisoners to life without parole since by doing so they will kill 2.3 other prisoners instead of just the 1 that the courts would have put to death?
im guessing that the view of the pro-death lobby is that the rate of death sentences is far too low anyway so really these "lifers" are just implementing the executionary policy that the "queasy" far left court system is just too "nice" to undertake ... actually, u should be happy that prisoners are killing each other in such a fashion and be cheering them on to kill more ...

also, u say that "killing the one saved many" ... but the "many" being saved are prison scum ... murderers, rapists, child molesters ... ppl u would argue should be put to death anyway ...
u also say that by sentencing these ppl to life without parole instead of killing them, the left has created a "WORSE evil" since twice as many of them end up getting killed ...

this is all really confusing ... are you arguing that criminals should be killed or that its evil to do so?

did u really win state with this argument? ...

[Rusha]

Originally Posted by raphaelx

sorry ... i had to make 2 posts coz im not smart enough to know how to quote multiple posts in one entry ... :P

umm ... doesnt it follow from ur own argument that its in the greater interest of society to condemn prisoners to life without parole since by doing so they will kill 2.3 other prisoners instead of just the 1 that the courts would have put to death?
im guessing that the view of the pro-death lobby is that the rate of death sentences is far too low anyway so really these "lifers" are just implementing the executionary policy that the "queasy" far left court system is just too "nice" to undertake ... actually, u should be happy that prisoners are killing each other in such a fashion and be cheering them on to kill more ...

also, u say that "killing the one saved many" ... but the "many" being saved are prison scum ... murderers, rapists, child molesters ... ppl u would argue should be put to death anyway ...
u also say that by sentencing these ppl to life without parole instead of killing them, the left has created a "WORSE evil" since twice as many of them end up getting killed ...

this is all really confusing ... are you arguing that criminals should be killed or that its evil to do so?

did u really win state with this argument? ...

Honestly, I don't care if murders are killing *other* murderers inside of prison. That is not the justification behind the death penalty. Murderers are very similar to cancer. We don't isolate the cancer and just hope it behaves.

The death penalty is the only way to make sure that an individual never has the chance to murder ANOTHER innocent individual. While they are alive, there is always the chance that they can escape, kill prison personnel or be let out on good behavior.

Here is a list of murderers that were released to murder again:

http://www.wesleylowe.com/repoff.html

A dead murderer cannot reoffend ... ever.

[IXOYE]

A doctor looks at a cancer and says we need to destroy this and remove it from the organism or it all eventually dies.

A liberal looks at a cancer and thinks if we just give it steroids, it has a chance to cure itself. We'll add human growth hormone for all the good cells to grow stronger. The result is you speed up the demise of the organism.

I loved your analogy, I never understood it as clearly as now.

Originally Posted by raphaelx

lol ... u ppl are funny ...

do all u ppl crying for the death penalty or cruel and unusual punishment even realise that ur exactly the same as the killer?
killer sits at home, looks out his window at the world, doesnt like what he sees and decides he wants to kill it ...
u sit at home, look at the news on tv, hear about a man who killed some kids and decide u want to kill him ...
"its justice!" says the killer, "coz the world is crazy and needs to be cleansed"
"its justice!" says u, "coz the killer is crazy and needs to be removed"

lol ... and this from ppl who are sposed to be civilised christians ...

can someone from the pro-death camp please explain why ur judgement of death upon another person is righteous but this guys judgement of death is not ...

as an aside, why do ppl who profess belief in God care so much when someone else is sent to Heaven? is it such a bad thing to die? ... i understand why atheists would be upset coz for them its the end of the road ... but to those who sincerely believe in God and the afterlife ... i really dont get it ...

[Rusha]

Originally Posted by raphaelx

lol ... u ppl are funny ...

do all u ppl crying for the death penalty or cruel and unusual punishment even realise that ur exactly the same as the killer?

Wrong ...

killer sits at home, looks out his window at the world, doesnt like what he sees and decides he wants to kill it ...
u sit at home, look at the news on tv, hear about a man who killed some kids and decide u want to kill him ...

Wrong. It's not about personally deciding to kill some anonymous Joe Smoe off the street. Death penalty advocates understand that the only way to keep violent predators from reoffending is to permanently remove them from society. They are a malignancy.

"its justice!" says the killer, "coz the world is crazy and needs to be cleansed"
"its justice!" says u, "coz the killer is crazy and needs to be removed"

What's rather crazy is that you believe you are speaking for those who commit heinous acts towards other human beings and actually compare them with those of us who want to protect society from such vile cretins.

lol ... and this from ppl who are sposed to be civilised christians ...

As well as some nonbelievers such as myself!

can someone from the pro-death camp please explain why ur judgement of death upon another person is righteous but this guys judgement of death is not ...

Sure can! "We" don't go around murdering innocent human beings. They do. Understand yet?

as an aside, why do ppl who profess belief in God care so much when someone else is sent to Heaven? is it such a bad thing to die? ... i understand why atheists would be upset coz for them its the end of the road ... but to those who sincerely believe in God and the afterlife ... i really dont get it ...

Being a Christian or Atheist has NOTHING whatsoever to do with the death penalty. For a Christian, my guess would be that they would tell you the individual STILL has a chance to be saved while sitting on death row.

For a non Christian such as myself, I just want the walking, talking human cancer of society removed PERMANENTLY.

Understand?

[Rusha]

Originally Posted by IXOYE

A doctor looks at a cancer and says we need to destroy this and remove it from the organism or it all eventually dies.

A liberal looks at a cancer and thinks if we just give it steroids, it has a chance to cure itself. We'll add human growth hormone for all the good cells to grow stronger. The result is you speed up the demise of the organism.

I loved your analogy, I never understood it as clearly as now.

His/her analogy is stupid ... as well as your own.

[IXOYE]

Originally Posted by Rusha

His/her analogy is stupid ... as well as your own.

NO YOU ARE!

rofl.

if you are going to say it's stupid, explain why it is stupid, so you don't look so stupid.

[IXOYE]

Originally Posted by raphaelx

im guessing that the view of the pro-death lobby

I guess you can rename me, and make up terms that don't exist in an attempt to demonize me all you want. It proves you are a petulant debater (use the term loosely.)

Originally Posted by raphaelx

umm ... doesnt it follow from ur own argument that its in the greater interest of society to condemn prisoners to life without parole since by doing so they will kill 2.3 other prisoners instead of just the 1 that the courts would have put to death?

I'm sure you think you are being cute and using logic here. I really tried to find it. All I can find are lies and strawmen. Let me explain.
You think killing 2.3 white collar offenders, tax dodgers, would hold the same reasoning as killing a captial murderer? No wonder you guys have no clue what the issue is with Capital Punishment. You can't make sense of crimes. "It depends on the definition of IT your honor". sigh.

If the person of the 2.3 murdered by a capital offender were capital offenders, I guess I'd still have issue with it because it usurped the powers of lady justice and may have removed the appeal that would have proven the person innocent.

So to answer your question, it would only follow to my own argument...... if you were a petulant, problematic, non truth seeking, manipulator, and perpetuator of arguments. I'm sounding like Jesse Jackson there.

Originally Posted by raphaelx

is that the rate of death sentences is far too low anyway so really these "lifers" are just implementing the executionary policy that the "queasy" far left court system is just too "nice" to undertake ... actually, u should be happy that prisoners are killing each other in such a fashion and be cheering them on to kill more ...

Again with the demonization. I mean if your argument is weak, nothing like saving face by implying the person you discuss with is a demonic horde of badness. You get sympathy votes that way. Like Obamma and closing guantanamo, (he kept it open when he got i office because he was shown he was an idiot to suggest it....)

Can you show me anyone, anywhere that said death sentences are too low? I'm in TEXAS, no one here would say that. We use capital punishment more than most states combined. The far left, queasy??? Isn't my term, I think queasy is far to generous. You guys would feed the world until they forgot how to feed themselves, you would build dependence on govt, you would feed cancer rather than excise from the organism, all in the name of "we are morally better!". There I returned your idiotic implications back in kind. See how stupid it looks?

Originally Posted by raphaelx

also, u say that "killing the one saved many" ... but the "many" being saved are prison scum ... murderers, rapists, child molesters ... ppl u would argue should be put to death anyway ...

Only a true leftist wouldn't know the difference in capital murder and white collar crime. Your position is really, that tax evaders are as evil as murderers? That's the position yoU MUST take to say what you just said. Who would want justice to be usurped and an undeserving person die. I guess you guys on the "left" (out ofthe line for common sense.) have a tough time with assigning guilt or innocence. For you, everyone is a victim. It's probably all just a misunderstanding anyway. Every capital offender should be made sheriff of a county, and then we can watch how they enforce the law and learn to empathize with their thinking and inner child.....

Originally Posted by raphaelx

u also say that by sentencing these ppl to life without parole instead of killing them, the left has created a "WORSE evil" since twice as many of them end up getting killed ...

You are condoning the killing of non capital offenders. I guess you feel that isn't a worse evil.

Originally Posted by raphaelx

this is all really confusing ... are you arguing that criminals should be killed or that its evil to do so?

It must be confusing for you. Your responses show your head screwed around so many directions you don't know up from down. No one has ever said criminals should be killed. That's a strawman lie, which is the only defense you have. :| That alone should tell you something. if you'd listen or not.....

It's evil to put a known capital murderer in a position where he could kill 2.3 more people, outside of justice, that may not have been capital offenders anyway.

if you think otherwise, it explains why you can't see the reasoning to this conversation. You should recuse yourself.

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[Rusha]

Originally Posted by IXOYE

NO YOU ARE!

rofl.

if you are going to say it's stupid, explain why it is stupid, so you don't look so stupid.

Unless you can show where any liberal has suggested treating cancer by using steroids and human growth hormones rather than removing it, you are just spouting off ... stupidly.

[IXOYE]

Originally Posted by Rusha

Unless you can show where any liberal has suggested treating cancer by using steroids and human growth hormones rather than removing it, you are just spouting off ... stupidly.

You didn't show anything. You just made a proclamation.

I did the same thing, except my comment had an appropriate analogy at least.

BTW
www.dictionary.com simile

[IXOYE]

Originally Posted by Rusha

Unless you can show where any liberal has suggested treating cancer by using steroids and human growth hormones rather than removing it, you are just spouting off ... stupidly.

That was probably unfair. You could be challenged. Let me back up.

You have a cancer cell, that multiplies exponentially and makes more and more cancer cells. Cancer cells are bad. they eat up things we need inside to live.

The most common treatment for putting off cancer is removing the bad parts, and keep the cells from spreading.

Now, you have a person in society, who premeditates the cessation of life of another. Once they cross that line, they are categorically more likely to be repeat offenders in society, and 2.3 times more likely to do it in prison on a life sentence. The human body, and the human race are borth organisms. One of the body, one an "organism" of homo sapiens. When you get a bad cell remove it.

You can try to feed human growth hormone to counter the cancer, but it only enables it.

You can try to rehabilitate a person that premeditated murder, but it only enables it.

I admit, if you find this stupid, I'm stupid. There was a time this logic prevailed........>>>> Wood floats, iron sinks, iron boats will sink.

I guess I was hoping for a little creativity on your side to track the conversation. I'll try to recall not to expect as much of you in the future. Will that prevent our issue from repeating?