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October 21st, 2011, 08:00 AM
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October 21st, 2011, 08:27 AM
Blood loss then heart failure . . . duh.
"The more scientifically literate, intellectually honest and objectively skeptical a person is, the more likely they are to disbelieve in anything supernatural, including god."
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Ephesians 3:9: "And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:"
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October 21st, 2011, 09:11 AM
For many reasons, but one is often overlooked.
He left heaven and took on flesh and blood, after the likeness of Adam. To get back to where he came, heaven, he had to shed his blood. Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God.
1. Land forever. Gen 17:8 (KJV)
2. City FROM heaven. Rev 21:2 (KJV)
3. Heavenly places. Eph 2:6-7(KJV)
Don't mix them, leavening the whole household of God. Luke 13:21 (KJV)
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October 21st, 2011, 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by SaulToPaul
For many reasons, but one is often overlooked.
He left heaven and took on flesh and blood, after the likeness of Adam. To get back to where he came, heaven, he had to shed his blood. Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God.
God has always required a sacrifice for sin. He simply cannot just wink at sin as if it never happened. Just as a good parent shouldn't wink at it when his children sin.
But we sin against a good and righteous God who knows no sin and can have no fellowship with it. And so a perfect sacrifice/punishment, without blemish must be had in order to suffice in His eyes and cover our sins as if they never happened before he can have the relationship with man that He's always desired.
Although we should be the ones taking the punishment for what we've done, it would be of no avail because it had to be a sacrifice without spot or blemish. Not just any sacrifice would do. It couldn't be done by just any person due to "all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God." So God willingly said He would live as the man, Jesus to live out a perfect life so that a perfect punishment/sacrifice would be made for all when He died in our place and willingly received the punishment that was due to us.
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And when I think, that God His Son not sparing, sent Him to die, I scarce can take it in.....
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October 21st, 2011, 09:42 AM
................because God is love. Love compels one to act for the good of the ones loved. In other words, He had to die for us, because He literally couldn't help Himself.
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October 21st, 2011, 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by SaulToPaul
For many reasons, but one is often overlooked.
He left heaven and took on flesh and blood, after the likeness of Adam. To get back to where he came, heaven, he had to shed his blood. Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God.
. . . let me get this straight .
. . . god (Jesus) left heaven (the kingdom of god) to become a man .
. . . but couldn't get back into his own home unless he "died" first .
. . . how do you "inherit" what you already own .
. . . and you guys wonder why we don't believe in your religious nonsense .
"The more scientifically literate, intellectually honest and objectively skeptical a person is, the more likely they are to disbelieve in anything supernatural, including god."
It was the only way to reconcile sinful man to a righteous, Holy God, the perfect sacrifice once and for all, to those who believe.
Rom. 3:23 for all have sinned, and fall short of the glory of God;
Rom. 3:24 being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus;
Rom. 3:25 whom God set forth to be an atoning sacrifice, through faith in his blood, for a demonstration of his righteousness through the passing over of prior sins, in God’s forbearance;
Rom. 3:26 to demonstrate his righteousness at this present time; that he might himself be just, and the justifier of him who has faith in Jesus.
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October 21st, 2011, 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Silent Hunter
. . . let me get this straight . . . god (Jesus) left heaven (the kingdom of god) to become a man . . . but couldn't get back into his own home unless he died first . . .
. . . and you guys wonder why we don't believe in your religious nonsense . . . .
Why does a guy who doesn't believe in our "nonsense" spend all his time talking about it?
I don't hang out at tooth fairy or Easter bunny websites. So, why are you here?
God has always required a sacrifice for sin. He simply cannot just wink at sin as if it never happened. Just as a good parent shouldn't wink at it when his children sin.
But we sin against a good and righteous God who knows no sin and can have no fellowship with it. And so a perfect sacrifice/punishment, without blemish must be had in order to suffice in His eyes and cover our sins as if they never happened before he can have the relationship with man that He's always desired.
Although we should be the ones taking the punishment for what we've done, it would be of no avail because it had to be a sacrifice without spot or blemish. Not just any sacrifice would do. It couldn't be done by just any person due to "all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God." So God willingly said He would live as the man, Jesus to live out a perfect life so that a perfect punishment/sacrifice would be made for all when He died in our place and willingly received the punishment that was due to us.
Excellent! Said in short... to meet the demands of justice.
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Excellent! Said in short... to meet the demands of justice.
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