[TomO]

Originally Posted by Cam

Sleeping giant? You still seem to think America was strumming it's ukelele singing Kumbaya when all of a sudden archetypical James Bond villain Hadji decided to defeat layers upon layers of domestic as well as foreign intelligence to blow up Larry Silverstein's abestos-laden skyscrapers that he had trouble renting out?

Why don't you do yourself a favor and address what I wrote rather than addressing what I "seem to think".

My reference was to Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto's reported comments shortly after the successful of the attack was reported to him.

History much?

....or are you too busy with the conspiracies?

For the record we weren't sitting around singing Kumbaya then either...and yes, the conspiracy theories abound about that attack also.

[Cam]

Originally Posted by TomO

Why don't you do yourself a favor and address what I wrote rather than addressing what I "seem to think".

My reference was to Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto's reported comments shortly after the successful of the attack was reported to him.

History much?

....or are you too busy with the conspiracies?

For the record we weren't sitting around singing Kumbaya then either...and yes, the conspiracy theories abound about that attack also.

I'm not going to spend time being silly here. Everyone reading this thread can go back a few posts and see you made your sleeping giant remark in response to my 9/11 remark.

We could discuss American attacks on Japan in the 1800s that provoked them to militarize in the first place. We could talk about American interdiction of their oil supplies prior to Pearl Harbor, we could talk about whatever FDR knew. We could talk about active British spy rings in America campaigning to draw us into WWII. My question was this:

Cam: What else in America do you see as benign as our use of military force? Billion-dollar presidential campaigns? Our Congress? The Federal Reserve system? The management of the economy and Wall Street "creativity"? Corporate size, influence, globalism and profit motive? Federal police activity directed toward American citizens?

[Cam]

Looking back to the Treaty of Kanagawa, maybe there wasn't an actual attack on Japan, just a militarily imposed treaty like when the West brought the gospel of opium to China.

[TomO]

Originally Posted by Cam

I'm not going to spend time being silly here. Everyone reading this thread can go back a few posts and see you made your sleeping giant remark in response to my 9/11 remark.

It was made in response to your 911 remark but REFERENCED Yamamotos quote....(I fail to see why this is so complicated for you)

Point being:

- Bin Laden did not take the lesson the Japanese learned to heart.

The Japanese were angered over our actions & responses to their actions. Knowing they could not win a long protracted war with the U.S. they were of the impression that America was populated by weak and corrupt people. They on the other hand were strong and disciplined with god on their side. This being the case they were sure with a hard enough first strike to cripple us we would eventually broker a Treaty which would allow them most of their conquests.

They miscalculated.

Do you see any parallels there?

Perhaps it would have been easier for you to understand if I remarked that we were not a "paper tiger".

We could discuss American attacks on Japan in the 1800s that provoked them to militarize in the first place. We could talk about American interdiction of their oil supplies prior to Pearl Harbor, we could talk about whatever FDR knew. We could talk about active British spy rings in America campaigning to draw us into WWII. My question was this:

I am well aware of what your question was....and it is an invalid question, as it questions something which is neither implied nor stated within my post.


If you would address my response, which was this:

I fail to see how you draw an adjective like "benign" from my statement.

Enlighten me

Perhaps we can get somewhere......


You know...on second thought...forget it. I seem to remember this situation taking place before. If I recall I quickly stopped caring about my conversation with you......deja vue.

[drbrumley]

Originally Posted by TomO

Considering the vast majority of those stars were not there prior to 911....I don't think that's it.

Now....mind you. Nothing would make me happier than to see all of those stars disappear but to attempt to draw a parallel between the few permanent bases we had in the region (at the permission/behest) of the host Governments and the world-wide scale of attacks by Jihaddists even prior to 911 is just unrealistic.

Hi Doc.

Hi Tom. World Wide scale? Links to those please.

As a side, hope you and your family doing well.

[Cam]

I'm past the Bin Laden ruse or this idea that America is a separate, autonomous, benevolent country set apart from the international banking mafia. What I'm trying to understand is whether your confidence in the propriety of our use of military force is as great as your confidence in Washington's prudence in managing the economy and our money?

[TomO]

Originally Posted by Cam

I'm past the Bin Laden ruse or this idea that America is a separate, autonomous, benevolent country set apart from the international banking mafia.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

What I'm trying to understand is whether your confidence in the propriety of our use of military force is as great as your confidence in Washington's prudence in managing the economy and our money?

My "confidence" in "Washington" began turning to mist back in the mid-late nineties and had fully evaporated a decade ago.

[TomO]

Originally Posted by drbrumley

Hi Tom. World Wide scale? Links to those please.

Not following you?

You mean this?

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2004/11/ti...world-map.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Spencer_(writer)

As a side, hope you and your family doing well.

You too.

[Cam]

Originally Posted by TomO

My "confidence" in "Washington" began turning to mist back in the mid-late nineties and had fully evaporated a decade ago.

Alright, but you can take cheer, they got that bad guy, Hadji Bin Laden, and we've been on a roll toppling governments and installing puppets all over the place. At least we're doing something right...so what if the Constitution has also turned to mist?

[TomO]

Originally Posted by Cam

Alright, but you can take cheer, they got that bad guy, Hadji Bin Laden, and we've been on a roll toppling governments and installing puppets all over the place.

Same as it ever was. Realpolitik has been in style for quite some time.

At least we're doing something right...so what if the Constitution has also turned to mist.

Won't argue that.

[Cam]

Originally Posted by TomO

Same as it ever was. Realpolitik has been in style for quite some time.

The government is co-opted by some international cabal I just call the Illuminati. It's plain to see when you get below the surface. We're wreaking havoc on countries on behalf of the cabal and their imperialism, nothing to do with national defense.

How the church has been snookered, people have this idea that the benefactor of Israel is Yahweh when in fact it's more like Rothschild. I mean, when you start to see it, Christians are just that bad- blind, ignorant, racist, unfeeling- unless of course it's Yechiel Eckstein bilking us for Israeli domestic spending that expressly excludes the gospel.

Somewhere in here I usually end up not being nice. I see the atrocities being perpetrated by our own government and military and so many in the church are under the spirit of the Pharisees persecuting the Christ.