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December 9th, 2011, 01:34 PM

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Riiiight. Which is why I stated a few times that it wasn't about homosexuality. Other's focused on it...but I didn't.
Which is why you gave no other example of your alleged moral slippery slope?

In all honesty, while the argument is weak to begin with, the concept of consent completely unravels it. You might have a better chance if you shift your argument from pedophilia to drug use, polygamy or bestiality.





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December 9th, 2011, 07:19 PM

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Is AIDS a "reasonable" disease? How about the others diseases that are running rampant amongst homosexuals like Syphilis?

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The danger of infecting society with a deadly disease is in line with promiscuous heterosexuals,...
Yet the CDC showed differently.

So tell me md, if you, being a married heterosexual with 4 children, were to go to your local blood bank and want to give blood, would they ask you this question:

"Are you a man who has had sexual contact with a woman, or numerous women since 1973?"

Homosexuals don't care about their own health, why should they care about others?
http://www.thecrimson.com/article/20...articipate-in/

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...and much lower for lesbians.
And now a word from Martin Luther (the) King County:

"There is a misconception among health care providers and women themselves that lesbian and bisexual women have little or no risk for sexually transmitted diseases (STD). This myth is fueled by the lack of reliable studies of STD transmission in these communities.

In fact, the risk of STD transmission between women varies significantly depending on the STD. Herpes, HPV (genital wart virus), and bacterial vaginosis are transmitted fairly easily between women during sex. HIV, hepatitis B, gonorrhea, and chlamydia are much less likely to be transmitted--the risk is low but it is still possible.
The majority of lesbian and bisexual women have (or have had) sex with men, and all STDs are easily transmitted from men to women during intercourse. Often STD do not have symptoms, so it is possible for a woman to have become infected years ago and to still harbor the infection.
http://www.kingcounty.gov/healthserv.../STDWomen.aspx

Lesbians are an "at risk" group as well, but not just as risky as their ultra promiscuous brethren.

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It is unreasonable for the state to interfere here.
As shown through the FACTS, it's insane for the state NOT to interfere with the homosexual "deathstyle".

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By the way, what are your thoughts on the most recent "B-4 U Act" conference?

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Sickos. But they don't worry me much.
I wonder how many people said that back in 1972 when a bunch of sickos met and put this agenda together?

"The 1972 Gay Rights Platform
In February 1972 the National Coalition of Gay Organizations met at the Armitage Avenue United Methodist Church in Chicago. An invitation had been sent out to 495 homosexual organizations across the U.S. to come and prepare a "gay stance for the 1972 elections."

About 200 individuals from 18 states representing 85 organizations showed up for the two-day event. Conference participants adopted the 1972 Gay Rights Platform, which included 17 federal and state "demands."

For over 30 it has been the beacon of the homosexual movement in America. Back in 1972 their demands seemed so outlandish that nobody took them seriously. But gay activists have been extremely focused and relentless in achieving their goals. (Notice the bottom goal on the list.)

It gives an interesting perspective. If someone back then had suggested that we would be discussing this subject today and in the position we're in, it would not only have been considered unbelievable, it truly would have been beyond the ability of the average person to imagine it.

DEMANDS:

Federal:

Amend all federal Civil Rights Acts, other legislation and government controls to prohibit discrimination in employment, housing, public accommodations and public services.

.Issuance by the President of an executive order prohibiting the military from excluding for reasons of their sexual orientation, persons who of their own volition desire entrance into the Armed Services; and from issuing less-than-fully-honorable discharges from homosexuality; and the upgrading to fully honorable all such discharges previously issued, with retroactive benefits.

Issuance by the President of an executive order prohibiting discrimination in the federal civil service because of sexual orientation, in hiring and promoting; and prohibiting discriminations against homosexuals in security clearances.

Elimination of tax inequities victimizing single persons and same-sex couples.

Elimination of bars to the entry, immigration and naturalization of homosexual aliens.

Federal encouragement and support for sex education courses, prepared and taught by Gay women and men, presenting homosexuality as a valid, healthy preference and lifestyle as a viable alternative to heterosexuality.

Appropriate executive orders, regulations and legislation banning the compiling, maintenance and dissemination of information on an individual's sexual preferences, behavior, and social and political activities for dossiers and data banks.

Federal funding of aid programs of Gay men's and women's organizations designed to alleviate the problems encountered by Gay women and men which are engendered by an oppressive sexist society.

Immediate release of all Gay women and men now incarcerated in detention centers, prisons and mental institutions because of sexual offense charges relating to victimless crimes or sexual orientation; and that adequate compensation be made for the physical and mental duress encountered; and that all existing records relating to the incarceration be immediately expunged.
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All federal legislation and programs enumerated in Demands 1, 6, 7, 8 and 9 above should be implemented at the State level where applicable.

Repeal of all state laws prohibiting private sexual acts involving consenting persons; equalization for homosexuals and heterosexuals for the enforcement of all laws.

Repeal all state laws prohibiting solicitation for private voluntary sexual liaisons; and laws prohibiting prostitution, both male and female.

Enactment of legislation prohibiting insurance companies and other state-regulated enterprises from discriminating because of sexual orientation, in insurance and in bonding or any other prerequisite to employment or control of one's personal demesne.

Enactment of legislation so that child custody, adoption, visitation rights, foster parenting, and the like shall not be denied because of sexual orientation or marital status.

Repeal of all laws prohibiting transvestism and cross-dressing.

Repeal of all laws governing the age of sexual consent.

Repeal of all legislative provisions that restrict the sex or number of persons entering into a marriage unit; and the extension of legal benefits to all persons who cohabit regardless of sex or numbers.
"The greatest single victory of the gay movement over the past decade has been to shift the debate from behavior to identity, thus forcing opponents into a position where they can be seen as attacking the civil rights of homosexual citizens."
From The Homosexualization of America, by homosexual activist Dennis Altman.
http://www.article8.org/docs/general/platform.htm
http://americansfortruth.com/2006/11...at-gay-agenda/

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As long as there are parents who care for their children's well being, these perverts wishes will be ignored.
"Well being" as in being taught that same gender sex is normal?

At what age does the "caring parent" emphasis "But as long as it's consensual, you're an adult, he, she or it is an adult, and and and..."?


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If you want to stay alive for a good 80-85 years, mental awareness of the lifestyle you're leading (i.e. avoiding physically DESTRUCTIVE behaviors) is a good way to go.

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Sure. But I don't want the state mandating "healthy" lifestyle choices when it can be avoided.
Laws against sexual perversion are "healthy".

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If people want to jump off cliffs, eat junk food, drink soft drinks with 11 teaspoons of sugar etc. it is their right as consenting adults. We can certainly educate them that this is a bad idea, but I don't want the state mandating it.
Let me check with the CDC and see where Twinkies and soft drinks cause HIV/AIDS (this conversation has taken place ad nauseum in the Libertarian thread).

Public education is wise when it comes to consumption of unhealthy foods; anal sex and the trauma and diseases that go along with it is NEVER healthy.


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Especially when the alternative - living sexless lives, or living with a person you are not attracted to - aren't particularly healthy either.
There a groups that can help.
http://pfox.org/default.html

Etc. etc. etc.


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In other words, incest isn't ALWAYS wrong? (i.e. Are there "shades of gray"?)

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It isn't always a criminal act of abuse. Cases are rare, and you could well argue that it is always "wrong".
Show me a case where even consensual incest isn't "criminal"?

Besides, according to your logic, if it is consensual, involves adults, (and there is a bonus here: it's highly likely that it would be less disease ridden than a homosexual relationship), why shouldn't it be allowed? (throw in the word "hysterectomy" for good measure).





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...Yet if public sentiment is of the mindset that those laws are archaic, then they're rarely enforced.
Sure. All sorts of old laws that's true of, like selling peanuts at certain times of the day or opening a business on Sunday. Not what we're talking about here. What we're talking about here is a matter of some foundational consequence to the broader part of civil law, to say nothing of the more particular criminal statutes touched upon prior.

Now almost anything is hypothetically possible, but the question should always be is the hypothetical concern reasonable and likely. There's no reason to suspect the concern here is for any number of reasons set out during the course of my responses to the OP. Sociologically it's highly unlikely that something as fundamentally taboo would ever exist outside of the margins or find empowerment in the larger compact. Legally it faces seemingly impossible bars that go to a capacity that rests on solid scientific determination.

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...the Seattle Police Dept. (while they will pretend to be concerned) won't strictly enforce lewd conduct ordinances by cleaning up the homosexual promiscuity problem in Seattle City Parks.
Vote in a new D.A. In my neck of the woods they sweep the public parks and restrooms periodically and, gay or straight, if you aren't using the facilities as intended you end up in jail.

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As our culture begins to accept "man-boy love",
The problem being there's literally no reasonable posit that gets us to that premise, so going further is more pot clanging, sky is falling rhetoric that simply isn't founded in anything other than your apparent desire to move backwards along that line of thinking and target/attack the homosexual.

Do any of you who try this actually think people don't realize that's the case? Well, they do.




   
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As our culture begins to accept "man-boy love",

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The problem being there's literally no reasonable posit that gets us to that premise, so going further is more pot clanging, sky is falling rhetoric that simply isn't founded in anything other than your apparent desire to move backwards along that line of thinking and target/attack the homosexual.
Would you care to go over the 1972 "Gay Agenda" item by item and see how many have been approved almost 40 years later?

(Spin this one counselor):

DEMANDS:

Federal:

Amend all federal Civil Rights Acts, other legislation and government controls to prohibit discrimination in employment, housing, public accommodations and public services. [Done]

.Issuance by the President of an executive order prohibiting the military from excluding for reasons of their sexual orientation, persons who of their own volition desire entrance into the Armed Services; and from issuing less-than-fully-honorable discharges from homosexuality; and the upgrading to fully honorable all such discharges previously issued, with retroactive benefits. [Done]

Issuance by the President of an executive order prohibiting discrimination in the federal civil service because of sexual orientation, in hiring and promoting; and prohibiting discriminations against homosexuals in security clearances. [Done]

Elimination of tax inequities victimizing single persons and same-sex couples. [Working on it, if not already done]

Elimination of bars to the entry, immigration and naturalization of homosexual aliens. [Working on it, if not already done]

Federal encouragement and support for sex education courses, prepared and taught by Gay women and men, presenting homosexuality as a valid, healthy preference and lifestyle as a viable alternative to heterosexuality. ["Safe School Czar" Kevin Jennings, Done]

Appropriate executive orders, regulations and legislation banning the compiling, maintenance and dissemination of information on an individual's sexual preferences, behavior, and social and political activities for dossiers and data banks. [Working on it if not already done].

Federal funding of aid programs of Gay men's and women's organizations designed to alleviate the problems encountered by Gay women and men which are engendered by an oppressive sexist society. [Done]

Immediate release of all Gay women and men now incarcerated in detention centers, prisons and mental institutions because of sexual offense charges relating to victimless crimes or sexual orientation; and that adequate compensation be made for the physical and mental duress encountered; and that all existing records relating to the incarceration be immediately expunged. [Unless they were incarcerated for other crimes as well as "consensual sodomy", Done]

State:

All federal legislation and programs enumerated in Demands 1, 6, 7, 8 and 9 above should be implemented at the State level where applicable.

Repeal of all state laws prohibiting private sexual acts involving consenting persons; equalization for homosexuals and heterosexuals for the enforcement of all laws. [Lawerence vs Texas, Done]

Repeal all state laws prohibiting solicitation for private voluntary sexual liaisons; and laws prohibiting prostitution, both male and female. [San Franswischo initiative failed, although the works are in the making).
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1

Enactment of legislation prohibiting insurance companies and other state-regulated enterprises from discriminating because of sexual orientation, in insurance and in bonding or any other prerequisite to employment or control of one's personal demesne. [Done]

Enactment of legislation so that child custody, adoption, visitation rights, foster parenting, and the like shall not be denied because of sexual orientation or marital status. [Done]

Repeal of all laws prohibiting transvestism and cross-dressing.[Done]

Repeal of all laws governing the age of sexual consent.

Repealing sexual age of consent laws??? It could NEVER happen here!!!

Repeal of all legislative provisions that restrict the sex or number of persons entering into a marriage unit; and the extension of legal benefits to all persons who cohabit regardless of sex or numbers. [Multiple partners as well (two guys, a woman, and a Chimpanzee)]





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December 10th, 2011, 10:36 PM

I really would love an explanation by any homosexual apologist regarding my last post (especially mighty duck, the counselor, or what the heck, Barbarian or Ralphie could even throw in their two cents worth).





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In 1994 the Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation (GLAAD) adopted a "Position Statement Regarding NAMBLA" saying GLAAD "deplores the North American Man Boy Love Association's (NAMBLA) goals, which include advocacy for sex between adult men and boys and the removal of legal protections for children. These goals constitute a form of child abuse and are repugnant to GLAAD." Also in 1994 the Board of Directors of the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force (NGLTF) adopted a resolution on NAMBLA that said: "NGLTF condemns all abuse of minors, both sexual and any other kind, perpetrated by adults. Accordingly, NGLTF condemns the organizational goals of NAMBLA and any other such organization."

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In 1994 the Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation (GLAAD) adopted a "Position Statement Regarding NAMBLA" saying GLAAD "deplores the North American Man Boy Love Association's (NAMBLA) goals, which include advocacy for sex between adult men and boys and the removal of legal protections for children. These goals constitute a form of child abuse and are repugnant to GLAAD." Also in 1994 the Board of Directors of the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force (NGLTF) adopted a resolution on NAMBLA that said: "NGLTF condemns all abuse of minors, both sexual and any other kind, perpetrated by adults. Accordingly, NGLTF condemns the organizational goals of NAMBLA and any other such organization."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_A..._organizations
STRATEGIES OF THE HOMOSEXUAL MOVEMENT: "The Overhauling of Straight America"

The following article (below) titled "The Overhauling of Straight America'' was written by Marshall K. Kirk and Erastes Pill and appeared in Guide Magazine, a homosexual publication, in November 1987.

This landmark article has become a "bible" of the homosexual movement, and has since been widely re-published on the Internet and elsewhere. It outlines strategies and techniques for a successful widespread propaganda campaign to confuse and deceive the American people and demonize opponents. Like all propaganda, their methods are based not on solid intellectual arguments, but instead upon emotional manipulation of the public in an attempt to gain widespread sympathy and approval for homosexual behavior.

As you read this, keep in mind that it was written in 1987 -- over two decades ago -- and look around to see how far the homosexual movement has gotten using these techniques.


STEP 2: PORTRAY GAYS AS VICTIMS, NOT AS AGGRESSIVE CHALLENGERS.

In any campaign to win over the public, gays must be cast as victims in need of protection so that straights will be inclined by reflex to assume the role of protector. If gays are presented, instead, as a strong and prideful tribe promoting a rigidly nonconformist and deviant lifestyle, they are more likely to be seen as a public menace that justifies resistance and oppression. For that reason, we must forego the temptation to strut our "gay pride" publicly when it conflicts with the Gay Victim image. And we must walk the fine line between impressing straights with our great numbers, on the one hand, and sparking their hostile paranoia--"They are all around us!"--on the other.

A media campaign to promote the Gay Victim image should make use of symbols which reduce the mainstream's sense of threat, which lower it's guard, and which enhance the plausibility of victimization. In practical terms, this means that jaunty mustachioed musclemen would keep very low profile in gay commercials and other public presentations, while sympathetic figures of nice young people, old people, and attractive women would be featured. (It almost goes without saying that groups on the farthest margin of acceptability such as NAMBLA, [Ed note -- North American Man-Boy Love Association] must play no part at all in such a campaign: suspected child-molesters will never look like victims.)
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/i...erhauling.html

Selling Homosexuality To America
Marketing 101

B. Conceptualizing the Product

1. Repackaging the Product: A New Identity for Homosexuality

In 1989 two strategies on how to totally repackage homosexual behavior as a rights issue were unveiled to the gay rights community.

[F]irst , you get your foot in the door, by being as similar as possible; then, and only then—when your one little difference [orientation] is finally accepted—can you start dragging in your other peculiarities , one by one. You hammer in the wedge narrow end first. As the saying goes, [a]llow the camel's nose beneath your tent, and his whole body will soon follow.92

Pederasts, gender-benders, sado-masochists, and other minorities in the homosexual community with more extreme "peculiarities" would keep a low profile until homosexuality is in the tent. Also, common homosexual practices such as anal-oral sex, anal sex, fisting, and anonymous sex—that is to say what homosexuals actually do and with how many they do it—must never be a topic.

Rather, only strongly favorable images of homosexuals should be displayed, even "paint[ing] gay men and lesbians as superior— veritable pillars of society.…Famous historical figures are especially useful…for two reasons: first, they are invariably dead…hence in no position to deny the truth…[and] high school history textbooks have already set them in incontrovertible cement."93

In other words, change the basic offer and do a marketing practitioner's job; only "provide positively valued information…that will increase the odds of [the consumer] ultimately choosing the marketer's offering over competitive options."
http://www.lifeissues.net/writers/ro...exuality5.html
http://www.lifeissues.net/writers/ro...exuality1.html

Marshall Kirk and Hunter Madsen, After the Ball: How America Will Conquer Its Fear and Hatred of the Gay’s in the 90s, published 1989

"The campaign we outline in this book, though complex, depends centrally upon a program of unabashed propaganda, firmly grounded in long-established principles of psychology and advertising.” (Kirk and Madsen, After the Ball: How America Will Conquer Its Fear and Hatred of the Gay’s in the 90s, p.xxvi)
http://www.banap.net/spip.php?article78

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...Would you care to go over the 1972 "Gay Agenda" item by item and see how many have been approved almost 40 years later? (Spin this one counselor):
I don't have to. As I've said, this whole song and dance is little more than a means to an end for you...so to speak.

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Repeal of all laws governing the age of sexual consent.
It doesn't follow that because I concoct a list of things to do this week and somewhere in there, between taking out the trash and making lasagna, set out "Blast moon from the sky" that you should start bracing for a moonless earth because I manage the entirely foreseeable rest.

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Repealing sexual age of consent laws??? It could NEVER happen here!!!
Not in this compact, no, and for the reasons given. Upping the ante, if there ever comes a day when the nation is overrun by serial killers there might well be a serial killer amendment that reverses premeditated murder as a punishable offense...but it isn't really a reasonable assumption.



   
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(It almost goes without saying that groups on the farthest margin of acceptability such as NAMBLA, [Ed note -- North American Man-Boy Love Association] must play no part at all in such a campaign: suspected child-molesters will never look like victims.)
I think you finally got it right!

Child molesters will not benefit from these tactics because they prey on innocent children who don't have the capacity to consent to sex.





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December 11th, 2011, 08:34 AM

I see the counselor is still shilling for the homosexuals and the pedophiles.



   
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December 11th, 2011, 09:27 AM

Elimination of bars to the entry, immigration and naturalization of homosexual aliens. [Working on it, if not already done]

Soon to be a done deal:


Obama offers plan for U.S. to be global LGBT sex cop
Wants to import homosexuals with special asylum privileges

The Obama administration has announced it intends to make the United States the global sex cop, with plans to try to intervene in the workings of other nations where homosexuality is not promoted as well as plans to create special provisions for homosexuals and those with other lifestyle choices to gain special admittance to the U.S.

Among the provisions is a specific call for the U.S. government to "enhance" its work to provide services to "LGBT refugees and asylum seekers."
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=375277

Goody, goody; as if the US doesn't already have enough moral degenerate child molesting homosexuals, we're going to import them.





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December 11th, 2011, 09:40 AM

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It doesn't follow that because I concoct a list of things to do this week and somewhere in there, between taking out the trash and making lasagna, set out "Blast moon from the sky" that you should start bracing for a moonless earth because I manage the entirely foreseeable rest.
Counselor, have you been reading Domenick Scudera AGAIN?
http://www.practikel.com/2011/11/18/...enick-scudera/





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December 11th, 2011, 09:54 AM

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I think you finally got it right!

Child molesters will not benefit from these tactics because they prey on innocent children who don't have the capacity to consent to sex.
It appears that you don't want to acknowledge the core of the post:

It's REEEEEALLY BAD PR to talk about those "other lifestyle choices" when you're attempting to get societal approval of your already morally degenerate lifestyle; why make it worse by admitting that pedophilia, hebephilia and ephebophilia (see sod, I do listen in class), as well as other unmentionable acts are a part of the homosexual lifestyle?





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December 11th, 2011, 10:28 PM

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I see the counselor is still shilling for the homosexuals and the pedophiles.
As absurd and unlikely as: "Sod presents a cogent argument."
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Counselor, have you been reading Domenick Scudera AGAIN?
http://www.practikel.com/2011/11/18/...enick-scudera/
No idea who that is and I don't follow links unless they're in support of a position set out in full and I feel the need to verify. So...nuts to you?



   
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December 11th, 2011, 10:50 PM

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No idea who that is and I don't follow links unless they're in support of a position set out in full and I feel the need to verify. So...nuts to you?
He's a fag that jokes about the gay agenda.

I was wondering where you get your ammunition from when you make such colossal points.





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